US Cloudflare: "Terminating Service for 8Chan"


Terminating Service for 8Chan

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August 05, 2019 1:44AM


The mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.

8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.

We do not take this decision lightly. Cloudflare is a network provider. In pursuit of our goal of helping build a better internet, we’ve considered it important to provide our security services broadly to make sure as many users as possible are secure, and thereby making cyberattacks less attractive — regardless of the content of those websites. Many of our customers run platforms of their own on top of our network. If our policies are more conservative than theirs it effectively undercuts their ability to run their services and set their own policies. We reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible, but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design. 8chan has crossed that line. It will therefore no longer be allowed to use our services.

What Will Happen Next

Unfortunately, we have seen this situation before and so we have a good sense of what will play out. Almost exactly two years ago we made the determination to kick another disgusting site off Cloudflare's network: the Daily Stormer. That caused a brief interruption in the site's operations but they quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor. That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. Today, the Daily Stormer is still available and still disgusting. They have bragged that they have more readers than ever. They are no longer Cloudflare's problem, but they remain the Internet's problem.

I have little doubt we'll see the same happen with 8chan. While removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It does nothing to address why mass shootings occur. It does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted they turn to hate. In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the Internet's.

In the two years since the Daily Stormer what we have done to try and solve the Internet’s deeper problem is engage with law enforcement and civil society organizations to try and find solutions. Among other things, that resulted in us cooperating around monitoring potential hate sites on our network and notifying law enforcement when there was content that contained an indication of potential violence. We will continue to work within the legal process to share information when we can to hopefully prevent horrific acts of violence. We believe this is our responsibility and, given Cloudflare's scale and reach, we are hopeful we will continue to make progress toward solving the deeper problem.

Rule of Law

We continue to feel incredibly uncomfortable about playing the role of content arbiter and do not plan to exercise it often. Some have wrongly speculated this is due to some conception of the United States' First Amendment. That is incorrect. First, we are a private company and not bound by the First Amendment. Second, the vast majority of our customers, and more than 50% of our revenue, comes from outside the United States where the First Amendment and similarly libertarian freedom of speech protections do not apply. The only relevance of the First Amendment in this case and others is that it allows us to choose who we do and do not do business with; it does not obligate us to do business with everyone.

Instead our concern has centered around another much more universal idea: the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law requires policies be transparent and consistent. While it has been articulated as a framework for how governments ensure their legitimacy, we have used it as a touchstone when we think about our own policies.

We have been successful because we have a very effective technological solution that provides security, performance, and reliability in an affordable and easy-to-use way. As a result of that, a huge portion of the Internet now sits behind our network. 10% of the top million, 17% of the top 100,000, and 19% of the top 10,000 Internet properties use us today. 10% of the Fortune 1,000 are paying Cloudflare customers.

Cloudflare is not a government. While we've been successful as a company, that does not give us the political legitimacy to make determinations on what content is good and bad. Nor should it. Questions around content are real societal issues that need politically legitimate solutions. We will continue to engage with lawmakers around the world as they set the boundaries of what is acceptable in their countries through due process of law. And we will comply with those boundaries when and where they are set.

Europe, for example, has taken a lead in this area. As we've seen governments there attempt to address hate and terror content online, there is recognition that different obligations should be placed on companies that organize and promote content — like Facebook and YouTube — rather than those that are mere conduits for that content. Conduits, like Cloudflare, are not visible to users and therefore cannot be transparent and consistent about their policies.
The unresolved question is how should the law deal with platforms that ignore or actively thwart the Rule of Law? That's closer to the situation we have seen with the Daily Stormer and 8chan. They are lawless platforms. In cases like these, where platforms have been designed to be lawless and unmoderated, and where the platforms have demonstrated their ability to cause real harm, the law may need additional remedies. We and other technology companies need to work with policy makers in order to help them understand the problem and define these remedies. And, in some cases, it may mean moving enforcement mechanisms further down the technical stack.

Our Obligation

Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. At some level firing 8chan as a customer is easy. They are uniquely lawless and that lawlessness has contributed to multiple horrific tragedies. Enough is enough.

What's hard is defining the policy that we can enforce transparently and consistently going forward. We, and other technology companies like us that enable the great parts of the Internet, have an obligation to help propose solutions to deal with the parts we're not proud of. That's our obligation and we're committed to it.

Unfortunately the action we take today won’t fix hate online. It will almost certainly not even remove 8chan from the Internet. But it is the right thing to do. Hate online is a real issue. Here are some organizations that have active work to help address it:
Our whole Cloudflare team’s thoughts are with the families grieving in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio this evening.
 
Cripplekike responded to one of my tweets because he thinks I'm associated with 8kun. I have a bunch of Q tards following me because they think I'm the real 8kun

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Months gone by and CP is still spending every woken moment of his sad life thinking about Jim. Chasing shadows across the internet.
Qboomers got their clubhouse back.
8kun is alive on the clearnet.
NT Tech and VanwaTech eventually figured out how to build an alternative to CF. I am sure they will make some cash off that infrastructure hosting other sites.
And Jim seems to be enjoying retirement wondering around California posting creepy streams about pens and baking cookies.
The Qcumbers seem completely battshit insane and retarded but Jim seems to enjoy their company.
 

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Cripplekike responded to one of my tweets because he thinks I'm associated with 8kun. I have a bunch of Q tards following me because they think I'm the real 8kun

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Lol I was wondering what was up with that. 3 seconds was all it took to tell it was obviously not an "authorized" account. More evidence for my theory the qtards and anti qtards are equally obsessed and tarded.
 
Not sure if this goes here or the Lolcow LLP thread but @copypaste had a warrant issued for his arrest for "cyber libel"


 
Not sure if this goes here or the Lolcow LLP thread but @copypaste had a warrant issued for his arrest for "cyber libel"


Cyberlibel? This is a victory for netizens globally.
 
Not sure if this goes here or the Lolcow LLP thread but @copypaste had a warrant issued for his arrest for "cyber libel"


The Web Sheriff is after him.
 
Not sure if this goes here or the Lolcow LLP thread but @copypaste had a warrant issued for his arrest for "cyber libel"

Apparently it's an actual station:

And that Twitter account has 6.6 million followers.

I don't see the story on their actual website though.

There's also a link in Google News that purports to be to CNN Philippines but instead is some spam site. Very Third World.

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Click on it and I get this (and now it works for some reason):

Metro Manila (CNN Philippines, February 27) — The founder of a website linked to several mass shootings in the US and New Zealand is facing arrest in the Philippines over a cyberlibel charge initiated by the website’s current owner.

The Pasig City Regional Trial Court Branch 158 issued Wednesday a warrant of arrest for 8chan founder Fredrick Brennan, his lawyer Alexander Acain Jr. told CNN Philippines.

Acain said he will recommend Brennan — who is currently in the United States — to return to the Philippines and post bail. But he said that it is up to Brennan whether or not to heed his recommendation.

The case involves a series of supposedly libelous tweets where Brennan called 8chan owner James Arthur “Jim” Watkins “senile” and “incompetent.”

The warrant came more than a month after the Pasig City Prosecutor’s Office found probable cause to charge Brennan for violating the Cybercrime Prevention Act.

“They are a malicious imputation of senility on the part of [Watkins,] a condition, status or circumstance tending to cause dishonor, discredit or contempt of [him,]” Pasig City Assistant Prosecutor Juliene Raymond Cabanacan said in an eight-page resolution issued January 2 and received by Brennan’s camp on February 19.

The prosecutor also said that Brennan failed to prove that Watkins was actually senile.

If found guilty, Brennan, who has a disability, may be jailed for six to 12 years.

Brennan’s tweets were in reaction to Watkins’ testimony before the US Congress in September 2019, where he was grilled over 8chan’s links to at least three racist violent incidents last year.

The 8chan founder is asking Justice Secretary Menardo Guevarra to overturn the prosecutor’s resolution, arguing that his tweets were not libelous, defamatory or motivated by malice, and that Watkins is a public figure who did not suffer any harm.

In a 26-page petition sent Thursday to Guevarra and seen by CNN Philippines, Brennan argued that his tweets were protected speech as they are “fair commentary on a matter of public interest.”

He said that he “was merely exercising his civic duty to inform the public about the people operating a website that hosted hate speech and white nationalist creed because it has already claimed the lives of many innocent people.”

Brennan shrugged off Watkins’ cyberlibel complaint in an interview with CNN Philippines in October 2019, even suggesting that the suit was just filed to intimidate him as he is opposing the 8chan owner’s bid to become a Filipino citizen.

Brennan created 8chan in 2013 and eventually turned over ownership of the website to Watkins, but stayed on as an administrator until 2016. Since then, he has completely severed ties with the messageboard since then and has expressed that the current administrators of the website "are running it in a way that is indefensible."

8chan, now known as 8kun, is an online messaging board that has been used by anonymous accounts to share extremist messages and cheer on mass shooters. It is rife with racist and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.

CNN has reported that at least three atrocities have been linked to the messageboard, including the shooting in El Paso, Texas, which killed 22 and injured 24 others.

Needless to say, the midget isn't going to return to go to a Filipino prison and die there, but it probably puts the kibosh on his petty, spiteful attempt to interfere with the pig farmer's citizenship attempt.
 
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"MANILA - A Pasig city court has ordered the arrest of the founder of online forum 8chan for cyberlibel.

The Pasig Regional Trial Court Branch 158 issued an arrest warrant against 8chan founder Fredrick Brennan based on the case filed by website owner Jim Watkins.

Brennan had called Watkins "senile and incompetent" in a series of tweets when the latter was called to testify before the US Congress as 8chan was linked to a mass shooting in El Paso, Texas."

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@copypaste stupid midge
 
My lawyer sent me the following this evening:



This means there will likely be no more filings in this case, unless Jim and I reach some kind of agreement, which seems unlikely, but stranger things have happened. If that happens I'll surely upload it.

This outcome was unexpected, We expected him to file a Reply-Affidavit to which we would then have the right to file a Rejoinder-Affidavit, which knowing me, I would do. The hearing was previously scheduled and his side said at the last hearing that they were going to file a Reply-Affidavit, and even asked for more time to do so, so we aren't sure what happened.

To clarify for confused people like @Hawaiian Lunchmeat, this is not a court case; nothing has been sworn in court by anyone. It is unlikely to ever become a court case.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GET FUCKED CUCKWHEELS!
 
You can have people arrested for insulting you in the Philippines?

The poetic justice of a Chan owner getting arrested for shit talking is pretty great.

If I remember correctly, someone mentioned in a previous thread about this lawsuit that senility is actually a medical term with a specific legal definition, so publicly stating that someone is senile is provably false and damaging. Like how you could be on the hook for libel if you publicly state that someone has AIDS or Down syndrome when they don't. It doesn't help that Hotwheels has effectively admitted that he has beef with Watkins and is deliberately trying to make the guy look bad, which is pretty much the definition of libel.
 
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