Was Doug Ernst in the taxonomy somewhere? Last I recall he was pissed to be included in getting retweets of Poulter's cuck pix. Dunno what he's been up to since. I think he unfollowed a bunch of people?
OG-Comicsgate: A collection of individualist creators whom refuse to identify with any group think or shared identity but still believe in the fundamental core tenets of Comicsgate.
Examples: Ya Boi Zack, Tim Lim, Douglas Ernst, Dug Garret, My Pickles, Skinny, The Rags crew, Just Some Guy
The interesting thing about "OG-Comicsgate" is technically no such faction exists, they are just former sympathizers, creators, adjacents or members who in my opinion still believe in the original principles of Comicsgate, despite distancing themselves from the movement. None of the people within actively identify as "OG-Comicsgate" compared to others of different groups who do identify with Comicsgate, Comicsgate™ or Warcampaign for example.
By core principles of Comicsgate I refer to respect for the fans, creating great products, avoiding internet drama or bloodsports and just putting their heads down and getting to work. My Pickles, Dug Garret and Skinny are old Comicsgate fans who in turn were inspired to create their own books, Vestri, Legends of the Lone Wolf and Otis Stein respectively. They focus purely on their love of comics and providing what they hope will be books their customers will enjoy, drama free.
Ya Boi Zack falls into this category also since he never gets involved in internet drama and consistently has rebuked the Comicsgate hashtag. Doug Ernst and Tim Lim offer some of the best books I have read, at incredibly affordable prices and their respect towards their customers is paramount. Tim offers easter eggs of certain fans, free of charge, without some over priced "get drawn into the book tier" and Doug's professional attitude and conduct on social media should be a benchmark all creators aspire too.
As for what Doug's been up to, he's been working on his sequel book "Black Tide" and recently went on a Warcampaign Dlive stream where he was quite well received, proving that it's hard for anyone to dislike the guy.
Reminder that Ya Boi has payed people better in bonuses than these poor schmucks make at a big company like Marvel on a regular salary. Also his youtube makes more than a Marvel Editor and that's on a channel that chugs to get 10k views on pretty much anything that's not a rant. Step the fuck up Marvel.
From what I understand Ethans gay ops using a burbank prostitute to dig up gay porn of his internet enemies put Ernst's job at the paper at risk so he noped the fuck out and unfollowed most of CG to protect his job.
You can't blame a guy for choosing a real career over comic book money which is fleeting at best.
Yeah Doug got pretty pissed about his feed suddenly getting filled with unsolicited cuck porn as any working joe would. Especially when said feed is attached to their job.
Is Chuck Dixon really alt-right? Im no leftie but most of the alt-right are pretty awful. I love his DC stuff and hae a hard time connecting it to anything actually hateful.
Is Chuck Dixon really alt-right? Im no leftie but most of the alt-right are pretty awful. I love his DC stuff and hae a hard time connecting it to anything actually hateful.
He did the Alt-Hero comic book with Vox Day. Whether he is Alt-Right or not, dunno, but he's got no problem working with one of the leading figures of said movement. Fair or not, reasonable or not, that association is gonna raise some eyebrows. Even inside of ComicsGate itself.
Perhaps @Mister Dongs could offer up a better list and critiqued version, sometimes keeping track of all these different alliances, grievances, rivalries, friendships and business relationships is hard to keep track of.
EDIT: Added Just Some Guy to OG-Comicsgate, also fixed some spelling errors and sentence structures.
I mostly agree with your take, but I define "Anti-CG" as anyone who creates content or runs a platform that is explicitly dedicated against/opposed to Comicsgate. This is a vague classification which includes a lot of people who, as it's revealed lately, don't necessarily get along or associate with one another and have wildly differing ideas as to what CG should be, like Preston Poulter, Comic Book Hut and SWC, which should hold their own subcategories respectively, while also providing a clear distinction between those who broke away or were driven from mainline Comicsgate like Ernst, Cridious, Lim, Canales and others who are more defined by their oppositional stance like DA Talks, Poulter, VikkiVerse, Midnight Cherry, etc.
People like Quesada, Simone, Waid and their ilk have very little to do with the previously mentioned either in nature or in association and should be filed under "Establishment", although they do overlap with the indie gatekeepers and twitter personas like Chris Sebula, Joe Glass, Tim Doyle, Renfamous etc who should be filed under "Comics Twitter".
LOL. Dude wrote TWO failed runs on Iceman, and he wonders why Marvel didn't give him more work?
Hopefully whoever writes Bobby next doesn't pull the same shit Sina did, where 90% of Iceman's dialogue consisted of:
"I'm gay"
"I like dudes"
"Did you know I am gay? Because I totally am!"
"Sorry to bail on this important event, but I really need some dick right now"
"Anyone else hungry? I could really go for some dick"
I'm really LOLing at this quote: I’d bought myself a few more months of being Marvel-adjacent so I could continue growing my reputation for being known for my writing chops, and rinse off the notion that I was ever anyone’s diversity hire.
LOLOLOL. That's all you were, Sina: you, Gabby Rivera, and Chelsea Cain - all token hires to keep the NPCs from screeching at Marvel. Each one of the above were given their own book sight unseen, and they all crashed and burned, all with a year.
What? That's a freebie? Well then why don't you send it to 1107 Pennsylvania Street Apt #9, Denver, CO so I can melt it down for super chats.
@Smug Freiza very informational, but at this point I wonder what the point is of having OG CG ideals? Better comics? Helping local comic stores? Frog and his merry band of psychos have proved that you just need a FANatic base that throws spite money to them instead of trying to accomplish any of those.
I just love how these POCs/POGs are realizing that they were used just for their gender/skin instead of actual merit.
LOL. Dude wrote TWO failed runs on Iceman, and he wonders why Marvel didn't give him more work?
Hopefully whoever writes Bobby next doesn't pull the same shit Sina did, where 90% of Iceman's dialogue consisted of:
"I'm gay"
"I like dudes"
"Did you know I am gay? Because I totally am!"
"Sorry to bail on this important event, but I really need some dick right now"
"Anyone else hungry? I could really go for some dick"
I'm really LOLing at this quote: I’d bought myself a few more months of being Marvel-adjacent so I could continue growing my reputation for being known for my writing chops, and rinse off the notion that I was ever anyone’s diversity hire.
LOLOLOL. That's all you were, Sina: you, Gabby Rivera, and Chelsea Cain - all token hires to keep the NPCs from screeching at Marvel. Each one of the above were given their own book sight unseen, and they all crashed and burned, all with a year.
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Marvel comics employees living in squalor with rat infested studio apartments ---CONFIRMED
How's that twitter checkmark working out for ya'll? Putting food on the table? Keeping you warm at night? Diversity in comics is a sham designed to keep wages low masquerading as "opportunities" for people of color.
No black person I know wants the opportunity to live in a rat filled apartment. These white nerds are always on their high horse saying "look CG hates minorities!" Lmao I would never wish Marvel wages on a minority in NYC.
The only CGers living in squalor are Ethans paypigs one of whom claims to be homeless but still uses his cash to fund Cyberturd.
LOL. Dude wrote TWO failed runs on Iceman, and he wonders why Marvel didn't give him more work?
Hopefully whoever writes Bobby next doesn't pull the same shit Sina did, where 90% of Iceman's dialogue consisted of:
"I'm gay"
"I like dudes"
"Did you know I am gay? Because I totally am!"
"Sorry to bail on this important event, but I really need some dick right now"
"Anyone else hungry? I could really go for some dick"
I'm really LOLing at this quote: I’d bought myself a few more months of being Marvel-adjacent so I could continue growing my reputation for being known for my writing chops, and rinse off the notion that I was ever anyone’s diversity hire.
LOLOLOL. That's all you were, Sina: you, Gabby Rivera, and Chelsea Cain - all token hires to keep the NPCs from screeching at Marvel. Each one of the above were given their own book sight unseen, and they all crashed and burned, all with a year.
When asked by the interviewer on what's the appeal of what Humanoids is putting out, he gives a speech about how comics are more than just superheroes and capes and crimefighting, but can also encompass genres like fantasy and science fiction and anything one can imagine.
The landscape seems far more complicated these days, from my own personal observation I see it like such.
Core-Comicsgate:The core Comicsgate crowd that most people know varying from renowned pro's, aspiring up-comers and sycophantic bootlickers.
Examples: Ethan, Jon Malin, Cecil, Dan Fraga, Donal Delay, TUG (most days), Yellowflash (barely) and a host of nobodies.
Allegiance Arts:Basically the team that Mitch assembled for his Walmart deal. Most have distanced themselves from Comicsgate lately and might not even be welcome given the comment section of Mitch's Red Rooster campaign.
Examples: Mitch and Elizabeth Breitweiser, Patrick Stiles, Kelsey Shannon, Blake Northcott and several others.
The God Squad:A collection of Christians, conservatives and evangelicals who due to religious reasons left relating to faith, could also include various members of the drawn and quartered crowd.
Examples: Doug TenNapel, Mike S Miller, Edwin Boyette, Cridious, plus a handful of aspiring artists and creators.
Comicsgate™: A rag-tag team of creators and youtubers normally made up of former members coalescing around Poulter and the Comicsgate trademark.
Examples: Preston Poulter, VikkiVerse, Chris Tamulevich and a collection of aspiring artists and writers.
OG-Comicsgate: A collection of individualist creators whom refuse to identify with any group think or shared identity but still believe in the fundamental core tenets of Comicsgate.
Examples: Ya Boi Zack, Tim Lim, Douglas Ernst, Dug Garret, My Pickles, Skinny, The Rags crew, Just Some Guy
Alt-Right Section: A collection of exiled creators due to creative differences or political beliefs.
Examples: Vox Day, Will Calligan, Jon Del Arroz, Chuck Dixon, Capn Cummings.
Anti-Comicsgate: A collection of mainstream pro's, social media activists and propagandists from various news outlets.
Examples: Joe Quesada, Renfamous, SJW Spiderman, Rich Johnston, Gail Simone.
Warcampaign: The former online defense force of Ethan and Comicsgate and a number of sympathetic smaller creators and artists.
Examples: Ro Kabir Kumar, Gat Hanzo, Panboy Soychild Donglover, Rob Cacy and several other smaller creators.
Testefy's crew: A recent breakaway faction from Warcampaign which I must admit I know very little about.
Examples: Testefy-HD, Stupendous, DeltaSpergForce and a bunch of other members.
Ex-Comicsgate: A collection of former core members/adjacents who have largely walked away from the movement entirely.
Examples: Nerkish, Miss Sashi, Jshiro Finney, Mim Headroom, Nerdette, Nerd Wonder (?), Unranked Chevron, Englentine (I Love Comics), Nasser Rabadi.
Obviously this list isn't perfect and perhaps some people fall into two camps, for example Kelsey Shannon in both Allegiance and the Core or JDA in both the Alt-Right Section and Comicsgate™. There's also the curious case of the Comicbook Hut who recently was closely associated with the ™ crowd but who has since had a very public falling out with Preston Poulter. It should also be noted that various members of Testefy's crew still view themselves as Warcampaign despite the growing division between the two groups.
There also seems to be varying levels of cooperation between various factions and participants, for example between Comicsgate™, OG-Comicsgate, Ex-Comicsgate and The God Squad.
Perhaps @Mister Dongs could offer up a better list and critiqued version, sometimes keeping track of all these different alliances, grievances, rivalries, friendships and business relationships is hard to keep track of.
EDIT: Added Just Some Guy to OG-Comicsgate, also fixed some spelling errors and sentence structures.
The issue is that a lot of people in CG defy classification in a singular group. Captain Cummings for sure is one of the original "OG CGers" but he was also one of the more retarded and belligerent members of the anti-CG community who threw out baseless accusations that Peter Simeti's swatting was fake and was purged for his trouble by fucking Preston. Mandy Summers' group has blocked Liam and most of CG Australia after during the Live with Liam days they got dangerously close to discussing Wart the Wizard's objective quality and how Peter Gilmore progressed from unreliable Nasser collaborator to professional simp, although both are nominally part of "Core Comicsgate". Likewise, Kelsey Shannon is part of the JACK show crew (another clique within mainline CG) while also being a member of Allegiance Arts, which I'd argue isn't a part of CG at this point anyway since it is not part of the CG community, does not employ the Comicsgate business model or even attempt to uphold any of its ideals.
Is Chuck Dixon really alt-right? Im no leftie but most of the alt-right are pretty awful. I love his DC stuff and hae a hard time connecting it to anything actually hateful.
Chuck Dixon is his own unique group since his exit precedes Comicsgate and his cause is, uniquely, based on veneration for authorial intent. The story goes that, like any good writer Dixon would try to write Batman true to how he perceived the character; for example Batman depicted as hating guns because one was used to shoot his parents although Dixon was personally pro-2A. Comics have always been left-of-center, and apparently critics had regularly come to Dixon with the objections that the Big Two were in the business of pumping out politically slanted agitprop but Dixon dismissed this as bias from conservative fans, falling back on his own personal experience to the contrary. This possibly naiive delusion was broken around 2003 when Marvel decided to publish a MAX series of RawhideKid, one of Marvel's dead line of Western-genre comic IPs was selected and remade to be campishly, flamboyantly, Sina Grace-level gay, transforming a generic western protagonist into a brightly colored assless chaps cockvortex. Dixon was flattened at hearing this as it confirmed that everything everyone was telling him, that the Big Two's respect for their own creations came second to pushing a political agenda and that all this time Dixon was a willing participant in creating left-wing propaganda and in self-denial about it. He's been self-blacklisted ever since.
There are rallying causes in Comicsgate ranging from creator autonomy, superior business models, customer respect absolutism, free speech absolutism, Christian virtue and political reactionaries but Chuck Dixon is the only participant championing a cause based "respect for authorial intent". He'll write Alt-Hero with complete respect for Vox Day's ideas, The Expendables Go To Hell with Stallone's true to creative vision and if a communist had the money and desire to do so, would write a socialist superhero with complete sincerity (if he agreed to the job).
Ya Boi did another video about Marvel's wages. Nothing new, but it made me realize that I, a freelancer that has struggled to find clients at times and actually went about two months with almost zero income earlier this year when the coof started scaring people out of business… I am still on track to make more this year than some of these poor New Yawk City folk several years into their comics careers, all the while living in a place where I don't have to kill mice with my bare hands.
Ya Boi did another video about Marvel's wages. Nothing new, but it made me realize that I, a freelancer that has struggled to find clients at times and actually went about two months with almost zero income earlier this year when the coof started scaring people out of business… I am still on track to make more this year than some of these poor New Yawk City folk several years into their comics careers, all the while living in a place where I don't have to kill mice with my bare hands.
This is even funnier to me as this was just put forth in a THR article about the industries abuse claims.
DeConnick, who acknowledges that she herself is a gatekeeper, is among those who have suggested that comic book publishers require creative talent to use agents to advocate on their behalf, as is done in the film and TV industry. "If something like that were available, it would decrease the power of some of the gatekeepers," notes DeConnick, who also suggests young creators hire attorneys to protect their financial interests.
Talent agents are going to be the solution to the industries problem, just look at how well it turned out for your flaming homo diversity hire and ally Sina Grace.
Talent agents are going to be the solution to the industries problem, just look at how well it turned out for your flaming homo diversity hire and ally Sina Grace.
These people are fucking retarded. Marvel pays in packets of bird seed to absolute fucking losers who have zero hope of employment elsewhere with their wokeshit trash. Agents work off a percentage, often 10% of what the client earns. No fucking agent is going to work for 10% of what a McDonald's employee would turn their nose up at.
