#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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Fathead said:
Cecil is the last writer I’m working with. I’m doing my own books from now on. Hiring people who will get fairly paid when they turn in work like I did on Brutas.

No more headaches & dumb decision because I tried being generous.
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Not paying me is not "being generous". I showed the dms. We both said we were disgusted how people like Jerry Siegel, Joe Shuster, Bill Finger, Jack Kriby, Steve Ditko were screwed over, and said how we "Wouldn't screw each other over" and how "The character is as much yours as it is mine" and how we would "Split everything down the middle" and you FAILED to do so every single time. You've taken the whole campaign and given me nothing, and you've continually bragged about making up expenses so you wouldn't have to pay me. You stole my writing credit we agreed upon. You're a thief and liar, and I've proven it with all the dms. You showing that you had an idea for a cryo-tube doesn't negate our agreement, it doesn't negate that you already said we'd each make thousands on this book, it doesn't negate that you've spent campaign money.

We don't have to argue. You're shipping/shipped the books today. How much is left?

Let's hold back a small amount for any lost or damaged books (which none will be damaged, I've sent tons of books in geminis and there's never any damage) like somebody suggested earlier in the thread, and split the rest between ourselves. What is so difficult about that? Why wouldn't you want to do that? We could be out of each other's lives for good. Isn't that more appealing than going on with Nick, than going to small court, than continuing this thread?

Neither of us wants to go to court or do these things, but I will if I'm not paid.

I'm sorry things went south. I'm sorry we had a falling out. I don't want to get screwed on this book. I put a lot of work into writing all those issues, I used all my connections to get this book promoted, people trusted us because I put out Stardust on time. I did my share of work and I should be paid for it.

I don't want to keep pulling my hair out over this. You can hold a small, small % for replacements (there aren't going to be many--I think I replaced 2 lost packages with Trixie and probably another 2 or 3 for Stardust), and we can split the rest.

I couldn't really see a reason not to do that.
 
Fathead said:
I’ll be sure to livestream your reaction as you walk away with nothing, if you’re not made to pay damages for libel, after I hand the judge a file with my financial statements, & a fuck ton of screenshots & YouTube links, because you’re too impatient to wait.
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Like I said above:

We don't have to argue. You're shipping/shipped the books today. How much is left?

Let's hold back a small amount for any lost or damaged books (which none will be damaged, I've sent tons of books in geminis and there's never any damage) like somebody suggested earlier in the thread, and split the rest between ourselves. What is so difficult about that? Why wouldn't you want to do that? We could be out of each other's lives for good. Isn't that more appealing than going on with Nick, than going to small court, than continuing this thread?

Neither of us wants to go to court or do these things, but I will if I'm not paid.

I'm sorry things went south. I'm sorry we had a falling out. I don't want to get screwed on this book. I put a lot of work into writing all those issues, I used all my connections to get this book promoted, people trusted us because I put out Stardust on time. I did my share of work and I should be paid for it.

I don't want to keep pulling my hair out over this. You can hold a small, small % for replacements (there aren't going to be many--I think I replaced 2 lost packages with Trixie and probably another 2 or 3 for Stardust), and we can split the rest.

I couldn't really see a reason not to do that.
 
NasserRabadi13 said:
Not paying me is not "being generous". I showed the dms. We both said we were disgusted how people like Jerry Siegel, Joe Shuster, Bill Finger, Jack Kriby, Steve Ditko were screwed over, and said how we "Wouldn't screw each other over" and how "The character is as much yours as it is mine" and how we would "Split everything down the middle" and you FAILED to do so every single time. You've taken the whole campaign and given me nothing, and you've continually bragged about making up expenses so you wouldn't have to pay me. You stole my writing credit we agreed upon. You're a thief and liar, and I've proven it with all the dms. You showing that you had an idea for a cryo-tube doesn't negate our agreement, it doesn't negate that you already said we'd each make thousands on this book, it doesn't negate that you've spent campaign money.

We don't have to argue. You're shipping/shipped the books today. How much is left?

Let's hold back a small amount for any lost or damaged books (which none will be damaged, I've sent tons of books in geminis and there's never any damage) like somebody suggested earlier in the thread, and split the rest between ourselves. What is so difficult about that? Why wouldn't you want to do that? We could be out of each other's lives for good. Isn't that more appealing than going on with Nick, than going to small court, than continuing this thread?

Neither of us wants to go to court or do these things, but I will if I'm not paid.

I'm sorry things went south. I'm sorry we had a falling out. I don't want to get screwed on this book. I put a lot of work into writing all those issues, I used all my connections to get this book promoted, people trusted us because I put out Stardust on time. I did my share of work and I should be paid for it.

I don't want to keep pulling my hair out over this. You can hold a small, small % for replacements (there aren't going to be many--I think I replaced 2 lost packages with Trixie and probably another 2 or 3 for Stardust), and we can split the rest.

I couldn't really see a reason not to do that.
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I have never refused to pay you, despite the lies you spread that I do.

I’ve repeatedly told you, every time, you’ll get paid after fulfillment, which obviously includes a small grace period for damages, & a final tally can be made.
 
Fathead said:
Look. DMs where I came up with characters & their origins. DMs of us collaborating on writing. DMs of Nasser trying to stiff backers. DMs of Nasser admitting he’s nothing without CG. But HE got me on Ethan’s show? DMs that show context Nasser conveniently left out. DMs showing Nasser projecting profits. DM of me changing the split & Nasser not disputing it. DMs of Nasser being more interested in watching a movie than closing out Brutas on Ethan’s show. DMs of Nasser talking shit about his friends.

Take me to small claims court.
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>178 scripts
Lmao. How embarrassing.
 
Fathead said:
I have never refused to pay you, despite the lies you spread that I do.

I’ve repeatedly told you, every time, you’ll get paid after fulfillment, which obviously includes a small grace period for damages, & a final tally can be made.
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Why are you refusing to meet me in the middle? You can hold a small amount to replace any lost books, and we can split the rest. We can figure that out when we know what's left. You've said before that you know all the accounting--so what is left man? Why are you refusing to meet me int he middle here?

The only reason not to is that you'll drag this out for who knows how long, waiting for a "final tally" that'll never come.

Why can't you hold a small amount to replace lost books? All the postage has been paid, you know what's left, so how much is left?
 
Frog, maybe you're just joking when you say Donal should pay Nasser nothing, but it's not a funny joke. I've been out of the freelance game for a while, but it used to be how I kept a roof over my head. And that feeling when you find a new client, and you schedule the time to work for them and you reject or stop looking for other gigs, and you go heads down on that project for four weeks, and at the end of the month you send the invoice and… they completely ghost you, or they say they're "going in a different direction" and won't need your work and so won't pay you for it, or they say they'll try to pay that net-15 invoice in three months if they're profitable… and I've got to go to my (then) wife and tell her I just made zero money for the last month, and I've got to scramble for a new gig which might take days or weeks to find at zero profit, and I've got to beg my parents, as a thirty-something-year-old man, for enough money to cover rent… and all of these cases happened when I had a contract but of course it just would have been to costly and unproductive to do the court thing, and they knew it.

"Ha ha, you should not pay someone for their work" is a really fucking sick joke, friend. Not funny at all.
 
Just to break up the slap fight here, the latest noise in the comics side of Twitter are people getting mad at Heather "My milkshake drives all the boys from the yard" Antos hiring Robbi "I'm a sex pest who flashes his butthole" Rodriguez to work for Valiant.
 
A nameless trool said:
Her what?
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Her White Power tattoo that Frog had so much fun with over the weekend.

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Fathead said:
I have never refused to pay you, despite the lies you spread that I do.

I’ve repeatedly told you, every time, you’ll get paid after fulfillment, which obviously includes a small grace period for damages, & a final tally can be made.
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Why not pay him his page rate at least?
 
Nippy said:
Why not pay him his page rate at least?
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Somebody earlier in this thread (sorry I can't remember who originally said it) had the right idea when they said Donal should just keep a small amount to account for any lost or damaged books (I've maybe had 4 or 5 lost books between 2 campaigns), then we should split the rest.

That meets both of us in the middle I wanted to be paid now, Donal wanted to wait (and didn't say for how long) to be able to pay for any lost books.

If we keep a small budget for lost books and split the rest, we're both happy.
 
NasserRabadi13 said:
Why are you refusing to meet me in the middle? You can hold a small amount to replace any lost books, and we can split the rest. We can figure that out when we know what's left. You've said before that you know all the accounting--so what is left man? Why are you refusing to meet me int he middle here?
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Because until he finally delivers the books, charge backs are still possible, which affects the final tally. Made all the worse by the slapfight on here potentially further souring those who just said fuck it and kept investing and the fact he still has to pay for the wages of the other people he hired. You might not like it, but those people did work, and you pay workers, even if they do the shittiest of jobs or you fire them quickly. He won't know a final tally for any profits, and there might not even be any due to paying off labor.

Most you might be able to snag is the writer's fee in that situation if it's demonstrable that the money got used up, which I could believe given he hired a few more people. Hell, Doug lost money when he made his first campaign.
Nippy said:
Why not pay him his page rate at least?
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Probably because that's not good enough in Nasser's mind, since even with my more generous percentages, I'd probably still only grant him a bit more than $1,900 for writing the full 48 pages, if say I pencilled at 100 bucks per page and used my 40% of a penciller's fee to represent partnership and the fucky contract. IE 40 dollars a page. Note I'm using the pencilling as the barometer here, this is the job price, not profits.

If I pencilled at 150 a page, it'd still only amount to about $2,800 for the writing at that best case percentage, which nets 60 dollars a page.
 
Adamska said:
Because until he finally delivers the books, charge backs are still possible, which affects the final tally. Made all the worse by the slapfight on here potentially further souring those who just said fuck it and kept investing and the fact he still has to pay for the wages of the other people he hired. You might not like it, but those people did work, and you pay workers, even if they do the shittiest of jobs or you fire them quickly. He won't know a final tally for any profits, and there might not even be any due to paying off labor.

Most you might be able to snag is the writer's fee in that situation if it's demonstrable that the money got used up, which I could believe given he hired a few more people. Hell, Doug lost money when he made his first campaign.

Probably because that's not good enough in Nasser's mind, since even with my more generous percentages, I'd probably still only grant him a bit more than $1,900 for writing the full 48 pages, if say I pencilled at 100 bucks per page and used my 40% of a penciller's fee to represent partnership and the fucky contract. IE 40 dollars a page. Note I'm using the pencilling as the barometer here, this is the job price, not profits.

If I pencilled at 150 a page, it'd still only amount to about $2,800 for the writing at that best case percentage, which nets 60 dollars a page.
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All those people were already paid.
 
NasserRabadi13 said:
All those people were already paid.
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Given how you and Donal clearly don't communicate and talk about these things beyond bickering, how do you know this?

I'd still state if Donal paid himself (which he should've), then he should've paid for the completed pages you made then if that's the case. But that's not going to be that 1/2 profit set up. It would be the pay a writer gets.
 
Adamska said:
Given how you and Donal clearly don't communicate and talk about these things beyond bickering, how do you know this?

I'd still state if Donal paid himself (which he should've), then he should've paid for the completed pages you made then if that's the case. But that's not going to be that 1/2 profit set up. It would be the pay a writer gets.
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Then how else would the book be lettered and colored if they aren't paid? Are you kidding me? I've showed the screen shot several times where he said $3k for colors and $600 for letters. Everybody has been paid except me. Donal already spent $3,500 on himself (at least, could be more), and I haven't seen one cent.

He needs to keep a few bucks to account for shipping any lost books, then we need to split the rest. All the books were shipped today (according to Donal), so he knows the split now.
 
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