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Continuing on from @Mister Dongs previous fantastic write up of the train wreck of the recent Oz Show #53 I present the clip of what is being referred to as Liam's after credits appearance, which Mister Dongs very painstakingly transcribed.

Below is the stream time stamped if viewers wish to see the chat in real time react to Liam's appearance.

And the clip for prosperity.


The segment of Liam's appearance has a lot to unpack and appears to be directed at Ethan and was prompted by how Liam perceived Ethan treated Micah Curtis earlier on the stream. I'd like to thank Mister Dongs in advance for transcribing the conversation to make it easier to analyze and dissect Liam's statements.

Liam: Would you say that 'pedophile' was lower than maybe 'racist'? Would you - if you knew that there was something that was fiddling kids, or at least trying to, would you shield them? Would you shield them because they're just a useful attack dog for you?

Oz: No I probably wouldn't. What are you talking about here?

Liam: If you had, if you had all of the sudden, let's say that one of the... theoretical... We're all just playing pretend here, it's a roleplaying game guys, we're all nerds we like that stuff. Now let's say one of the fathers of one of these guys did an interview, a tell-all. Would that's something that you'd like to be aware of?

Liam here most obviously appears to be insinuating that someone associated with Comicsgate is a pedophile, while serving as a useful attack dog and that they are being shielded. Liam's basis for this belief is because he is aware of a tell all interview that was done by this individuals father. When pressed by Oz and the chat for further information, Liam remains cryptic and doesn't reveal anything of substance.

Liam: What I'm saying is that if you were presented with evidence of this stuff, would you knowingly try to be willfully ignorant to, I dunno, try to pretend that you're ignorant of what's going on and that you have no idea what's going on even though you're intimately aware of what's going on? And spend every single day on Kiwi Farms, deeply invested in other people's business and how they do things.
Liam: Would you maybe stir up a retard that you could use to attack and drive out your competition or people who were meant to be your allies to try and keep your nose clean?

From the above two quotes it becomes clear Liam is talking about Ethan and his relationship with Sketch Therapy and comes across completely unhinged. Liam begrudges Frog for spending time on Kiwi Farms, which is hypocritical considering Liam himself also has an account and now his own thread thanks to his own behavior. In defense of Ethan he doesn't really spend much time on the farms getting involved in other peoples business, rather he promotes his own which has been colloquially referred to as "peacocking."

It's weak. It's weak. And what you do is weak. You are a manipulator, Ethan van Sciver. You are a manipulator and you use people. And it's all going to come out and when people see what you really are Ethan... When the fact that you threw my friendship back in my face and you made it out like it was my fault, when you said to my face that you wanted to be friends. That you said that you wanted to help me...

The true motive for Liam's rant comes out, he is clearly upset Ethan didn't want to be his friend. Perhaps he also expected Ethan to help him more with promotion of his book Xenotype, which did remarkably well for a first time crowdfund but seems to have not measured up to Liam's own self imposed standard for success.

I just want everyone to know the sort of man that we're dealing with here. Before this shitstorm comes, because it's not going to be coming from me ladies and gentlemen, it's going to be coming from the mainstream media. So let's have fun with that.

Here Liam threatens Ethan that the mainstream media will be reporting on him and Comicsgate, which is stupid unless Micah Curtis himself plans on writing an article on Russia Today. Most the mainstream comics media has ceased to write about Comicsgate since all it did was provide free publicity and boost the profiles of it's prominent figures.

Okay, so what he does is that he tells you "Yeah I'm gonna help you I'm gonna help you I'm gonna help you" and then you wait for the help or you say "hey will you help me out you said you were going to help me" and then he ghosts you. And then what happens is people get pissed off, and he pretends "I don't keep up with this, I don't know". He lies, he pretends. And then he'll have conversations about it in backrooms, he'll pretend he doesn't know what's going while he sends other people to attack smaller creators and fuck with their business "for the lolz". "For the lolz" to create content. And then, right, when you don't get the support that he promises he will give you he goes "Oh this is all about getting on my show, this is all about getting my platform. They're so jealous of me! They're jealous that I'm making more than them."

Ironically this sounds exactly like Preston Poulter's recollection of events when he originally approached Ethan and Comicsgate for their support on his respective comic titles. I wonder if Liam is aware that he is now employing Poulteresque talking points.

When I went to you about the Kyle thing and that this shit was going on and that it needed to be handled in a way, you knew nothing. You completely ignored it and not ten minutes you had Ro come to me and say "Hey, if you want to get on Ethan's show you don't go talking about this stuff. You don't go talking about this." You fucking joke Ethan. You're a fucking joke.

In the final quote Liam proclaims that he was also aware of the recent scandalous allegations of possible sexual impropriety between Kyle Ritter and Mandy Summers as previously alluded to earlier in the stream by Ro Kabir and that he approached Ethan about it. Liam also claims that he was told by Ro Kabir not to talk about this kind of stuff, which is understandable since both Kyle and Mandy Summers are both consenting adults and why would Ethan care about eithers sex life?

Liam himself is notoriously stupid and as previously theorized by more observant kiwi's in this thread was always used as a useful idiot for the dissemination of information that others didn't want attached to them, most notably TUG and Warcampaign. It's clear from the recent uptick of Warcampaigners returning as both guests and viewers in Oz and Liam's streams that he has once again returned to his traditional role of a manipulated patsy and someone is clearly pulling his strings.

Which brings us to our most recent news update continuing in this saga, once again Ro Kabir has released private DMs between him and Ethan as he previously promised on the Oz Show.
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The private correspondence is even weaker that the previous drop, once again going over old news everyone already knew about. Ro Kabir had already blown his load over revealing that Ethan and Dynamite had a contract together on twitter and various Dlive streams and seems perplexed why Ethan wouldn't want the gay op squad targeting a business partner that was also involved with Billy Tucci, Anna, Cecil and Art Thibert. Ro Kabir had also previously mentioned on a now deleted Dlive stream that Vestige 2 writer Gat Hanzo had also been approached for a potential writing gig on a Vampirella anthology book.

Why the retards at Warcampaign couldn't comprehend that attacking one of the only mainstream comic companies willing to work with you, provide printing and fulfillment and job opportunities was a bad move is beyond me.
 
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Which brings us to our most recent news update continuing in this saga, once again Ro Kabir has released private DMs between him and Ethan as he previously promised on the Oz Show.
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The private correspondence is even weaker that the previous drop, once again going over old news everyone already knew about. Ro Kabir had already blown his load over revealing that Ethan and Dynamite had a contract together on twitter and various Dlive streams and seems perplexed why Ethan wouldn't want the gay op squad targeting a business partner that was also involved with Billy Tucci, Anna, Cecil and Art Thibert. Ro Kabir had also previously mentioned on a now deleted Dlive stream that Vestige 2 writer Gat Hanzo had also been approached for a potential writing gig on a Vampirella anthology book.

Why the retards at Warcampaign couldn't comprehend that attacking one of the only mainstream comic companies willing to work with you, provide printing and fulfillment and job opportunities was a bad move is beyond me.

I always thought Ethan was too laid back on Dynamite throwing him out. This explains allot. He was planning to dump them before it went down and Nick just got there first. Not incendiary like the Malin stuff, not that anyone cares.

I don't think Ro has anything at this point. It's all old gossip and the way info works is it gets weaker with time and distance.
 
I always thought Ethan was too laid back on Dynamite throwing him out. This explains allot. He was planning to dump them before it went down and Nick just got there first. Not incendiary like the Malin stuff, not that anyone cares.

I don't think Ro has anything at this point. It's all old gossip and the way info works is it gets weaker with time and distance.

I disagree. I think Ro has a tun of dirt but he doesn't want to drop the worst/best of it because it points the finger at his behavior as much as it points the finger at EVS. Imagine your in a crime family that splits into factions and you'd like to feed the FBI evidence that implicates your rival but you can't because you helped him bury the bodies and the FBI isn't offering you any deals.

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Let's say Ro want's to drop DM's revealing that Frog instructed him to target another creator for a gay ass inquisition or some such shit. That would certainly be a bomb dropped on Ethan but it would also be an admission to doing the gay ops Ro feigns innocence of to this day.

I don't think Ro has a rep left to save at this point but I'm not sure Ro has come to terms with that yet.
 
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I disagree. I think Ro has a tun of dirt but he doesn't want to drop the worst/best of it because it points the finger at his behavior as much as it points the finger at EVS. Imagine your in a crime family that splits into factions and you'd like to feed the FBI evidence that implicates your rival but you can't because you helped him bury the bodies and the FBI isn't offering you any deals.

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Let's say Ro want's to drop DM's revealing that Frog instructed him to target another creator for a gay ass inquisition or some such shit. That would certainly be a bomb dropped on Ethan but it would also be an admission to doing the gay ops Ro feigns innocence of to this day.

I don't think Ro has a rep left to save at this point but I'm not sure Ro has come to terms with that yet.
whatever he has is dated information and lack of context

Ro thought he had a path back to EVS, but didn't realize the environment PANBOY caused for EVS.
 
To this day I have a hard time getting a read on Ro. What are his values? What was his goal in all of this? How does a middle aged man who supposedly has a family find himself in this situation? You'd think he would have capitalized on his proximity to Frog, but instead he seemed content to act as his personal hype man / attack dog. Did he start to desire a following of his own? Was there some financial incentive for him? Was he romantically attracted to Frog? He seems like he can't stand the majority of the people who still listen to him, so why continue to uphold this pretense of a community?

Pan is a different matter. My guess is he peaked in high school and still brags about girls he fucked ten years ago. WarCampaign provides him a proxy for that environment which is why he's so comfortable there. He's probably extremely awkward in real-life personal interactions because IBS has conditioned him to react to any opposition with sneering condescension and that shit doesn't fly with normal people.

Ryzie is a fun one. He's vividly insane but also oddly honest, to the point where he will unintentionally admit that WarCampaign is meaningless without Frog, much to the chagrin of his peers. He doesn't really have a consistent stance and seems to be discovering his own opinions as he goes along. He's clearly the most mentally unstable of the bunch, but he's cocksure enough to almost seem like he has a cogent point on rare occasions. As long as he can keep any semblance of self-awareness from seeping into his head, he'll be alright.

Berserk Guts can go fuck a cup of sand. He doesn't deserve analysis.
 
In the final quote Liam proclaims that he was also aware of the recent scandalous allegations of possible sexual impropriety between Kyle Ritter and Mandy Summers as previously alluded to earlier in the stream by Ro Kabir and that he approached Ethan about it. Liam also claims that he was told by Ro Kabir not to talk about this kind of stuff, which is understandable since both Kyle and Mandy Summers are both consenting adults and why would Ethan care about eithers sex life?

Parsing through it all, I found a few things of note.

Firstly, Ro Kabir's initial claim that "women were blackmailing Kyle Ritter and through him his employer Frog" has colossal holes in it. The only sponsorship Summers received from Frog for Wart the Wizard was a single guest spot on his channel as an "expert" on girls toys from the 1980s, and Frog's reason for doing so was that he was shamed into that after his post mocking Wart the Wizard's art here was noticed by the outside public. This and a variant cover illustration seems like a low yield for professional blackmail. Add to that Shae Zombie and the unnamed "other women" mentioned by Ro that haven't even seen these meager benefits. If this story is true, why haven't they? Cursory scrutiny of Ro's premise proves it is false.

If there wasn't substantive proof of Mandy reciprocating, I'd go so far as to speculate that Ritter was sending these pictures out to women completely unsolicited. Thanks to the work of @TheLaughingMan here in late February, we know they were not. Frog's documented history of doing and saying dumb shit in the past has unintentionally acquitted him of other dumb shit in the present.

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Secondly, I have my doubts that Ro's initial concerns about Ritter being blackmailed were being made in good faith. It's more likely that accusing Mandy Summers of blackmail was a means of manuvering Frog into acknowledging the matter in the form of a denial. It's a fairly effective way of forcing a confession while obfuscating one's intent. Unfortunately for him, this is where Ro's foresight ends as the narrative he spun to achieve this outcome was that he attempted to arrange a whisper network-style cancellation of Frog's freelance contractor on patently false grounds.

Man I remember breaking him by just not acknowledging he existed. That seemed to have absolutely pissed him off, according to people who knew him.


It's a tact that's definitely catching on. Berserk Guts' one move of "making noise whenever someone else tries to talk" appears to be wearing thin.
 
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It's a tact that's definitely catching on. Berserk Guts' one move of "making noise whenever someone else tries to talk" appears to be wearing thing.
I can't say I'm surprised. Ignore him or call him a bitch to get the reaction of a retarded child throwing a tantrum because his glue was taken away from him mid-sip, that's about all he's good for. He's just amusing because he chimps out over nothing. No self-control or anything. What a faggot.
 
Parsing through it all, I found a few things of note.

Firstly, Ro Kabir's initial claim that "women were blackmailing Kyle Ritter and through him his employer Frog" has colossal holes in it. The only sponsorship Summers received from Frog for Wart the Wizard was a single guest spot on his channel as an "expert" on girls toys from the 1980s, and Frog's reason for doing so was that he was shamed into that after his post mocking Wart the Wizard's art here was noticed by the outside public. This and a variant cover illustration seems like a low yield for professional blackmail. Add to that Shae Zombie and the unnamed "other women" mentioned by Ro that haven't even seen these meager benefits. If this story is true, why haven't they? Cursory scrutiny of Ro's premise proves it is false.

If there wasn't substantive proof of Mandy reciprocating, I'd go so far as to speculate that Ritter was sending these pictures out to women completely unsolicited. Thanks to the work of @TheLaughingMan here in late February, we know they were not. Frog's documented history of doing and saying dumb shit in the past has unintentionally acquitted him of other dumb shit in the present.

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Secondly, I have my doubts that Ro's initial concerns about Ritter being blackmailed were being made in good faith in the first place. Its more likely that accusing Mandy Summers of blackmail was a means of manuvering Frog into acknowledging the matter in the form of a denial. It's a fairly effective way of forcing a confession while obfuscating one's intent. Unfortunately for him, this is where Ro's foresight ends as the narrative he spun to achieve this outcome was that he attempted to arrange a whisper network-style cancellation of Frog's freelance contractor on patently false grounds.


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It's a tact that's definitely catching on. Berserk Guts' one move of "making noise whenever someone else tries to talk" appears to be wearing thin.
So the narrative is that Kyle was being blackmailed by multiple women? That doesn't add up.
 
Parsing through it all, I found a few things of note.

Firstly, Ro Kabir's initial claim that "women were blackmailing Kyle Ritter and through him his employer Frog" has colossal holes in it. The only sponsorship Summers received from Frog for Wart the Wizard was a single guest spot on his channel as an "expert" on girls toys from the 1980s, and Frog's reason for doing so was that he was shamed into that after his post mocking Wart the Wizard's art here was noticed by the outside public. This and a variant cover illustration seems like a low yield for professional blackmail. Add to that Shae Zombie and the unnamed "other women" mentioned by Ro that haven't even seen these meager benefits. If this story is true, why haven't they? Cursory scrutiny of Ro's premise proves it is false.

If there wasn't substantive proof of Mandy reciprocating, I'd go so far as to speculate that Ritter was sending these pictures out to women completely unsolicited. Thanks to the work of @TheLaughingMan here in late February, we know they were not. Frog's documented history of doing and saying dumb shit in the past has unintentionally acquitted him of other dumb shit in the present.





Secondly, I have my doubts that Ro's initial concerns about Ritter being blackmailed were being made in good faith in the first place. Its more likely that accusing Mandy Summers of blackmail was a means of manuvering Frog into acknowledging the matter in the form of a denial. It's a fairly effective way of forcing a confession while obfuscating one's intent. Unfortunately for him, this is where Ro's foresight ends as the narrative he spun to achieve this outcome was that he attempted to arrange a whisper network-style cancellation of Frog's freelance contractor on patently false grounds.

With EVS there is usually a sanitized official reason for doing things and then there's the real reason. Low yield sounds about right for the level of talent. The more likely scenario is that when everything was going gangbusters, the WC were accepting virtual party favors in exchange for access as negotiated by Ro. Kyle was either brought into it or caught wind of it and wanted in on some of it. I don't think anyone truly trusts Ro's intentions either. At this point it's all about revenge.
 
With EVS there is usually a sanitized official reason for doing things and then there's the real reason. Low yield sounds about right for the level of talent. The more likely scenario is that when everything was going gangbusters, the WC were accepting virtual party favors in exchange for access as negotiated by Ro. Kyle was either brought into it or caught wind of it and wanted in on some of it. I don't think anyone truly trusts Ro's intentions either. At this point it's all about revenge.
That sounds more realistic. Speculative, but realistic. Though Kyle is the only person named here, no WCers. Need more info to get to the truth. Frog mentioned going to the police, I think, which means there must be more they (collectively) are hiding about all this.

The rabbit hole goes deeper...
 
The timing doesn't add up for Mandy to have leveraged this to get on Ethan's show. She was on in the summer of 2019 and the drama didn't start around her pictures until Feb 2020.

It seems unlikely she was even on Kyle's radar before Frog got shamed into featuring her.

So the narrative is that Kyle was being blackmailed by multiple women? That doesn't add up.
It seems highly improbable until you consider that it was right up WarCampaigner Ashley's alley. TUG's wife was actively cat-fishing and soliciting dick pics from people in CG and using them against the dummy's who gave them up. It's a stretch to think Mandy was too but not a huge stretch. Were Mandy and "Lola" friends? They were both orbiting the WC.

It's possible.

Frog's reason for doing so was that he was shamed into that after his post mocking Wart the Wizard's art here was noticed by the outside public.
It's worth noting that Mandy was a strident supporter of WC when she was featured on Ethan's platform. And they supported her. I believe she still had 🚾 in her Twitter handle then and for a few months after. It could be that the shenanigans had something to do with why she dropped the 🚾 but that's pure conjecture. She was a big WC orbiter at the time and Ro and the gang were promoting her like 12 yr old simps would for an E-THOT.



It all reeks of a WarCampaign gay op. Mid tier WC troll, Blacc, was responsible for sharing Mandy's pics. One can safely assume he wasn't the first in WC to see them. Where'd he get them, Ro???

Likely Kyle and Mandy both were being played as suckers because neither of them seemed to reap a benefit and both of them have suffered consequences. It's pretty clear that anyone in CG who shares something that makes them vulnerable is a sucker at this point. Not that I think Kyle or Mandy are innocent parties in this.

And ComicsGate is for degenerate retards.
 
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Not that I think it's a big deal. Trolling Tim Lim's chat is fair game, I endure far worse. But I don't recall doing it, so either I was mildly intoxicated, or it was fake, or it happened a long time ago
He's claiming you did it in the past day.

User icons from when EVS is chatting in Ozshow and Tim's stream don't match so I'm guessing it's a gay op and that @Penguin Kid is a gigantic faggot.
To this day I have a hard time getting a read on Ro. What are his values? What was his goal in all of this? How does a middle aged man who supposedly has a family find himself in this situation? You'd think he would have capitalized on his proximity to Frog, but instead he seemed content to act as his personal hype man / attack dog. Did he start to desire a following of his own? Was there some financial incentive for him? Was he romantically attracted to Frog? He seems like he can't stand the majority of the people who still listen to him, so why continue to uphold this pretense of a community?
Ballwashing frog and being head retard wrangler lead to short term success in "clout" and profits, thought it would turn into long term money and success only to find out he's been left holding a bag of shit. Unable to see that being king of the retards isn't actually a good position to be in.

If Dong's write-up is correct you can compare Ro to Liam minus some autism, give Ro some more time and he'll be sperging just as hard.
It seems highly improbable until you consider that it was right up WarCampaigner Ashley's alley. TUG's wife was actively cat-fishing and soliciting dick pics from people in CG and using them against the dummy's who gave them up.
This is my take too, that TUG's dick pic folder has been passed around. I'm not sure if Ro will drop it because i also bet his cock is in there too and he fears letterbox retaliation.

I also agree with your assertion that Ro's "evidence" paints him in a worse light than the intended target, but also doubt it's as damning as he hopes it is.
 
I also agree with your assertion that Ro's "evidence" paints him in a worse light than the intended target, but also doubt it's as damning as he hopes it is.

I just hope that Ro realizes that everyone already thinks he's the scum of the earth. Then he'd have no incentive to keep the DM's to himself.

How fucking great would it be for a washed up Ro to start a massive slap fight with Ethan where they dump every DM caked in shit all over each other? "Damning" or not that would be fun to watch.

This thread would light up like a Christmas tree.

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He's claiming you did it in the past day.

User icons from when EVS is chatting in Ozshow and Tim's stream don't match so I'm guessing it's a gay op and that @Penguin Kid is a gigantic faggot.

Ballwashing frog and being head retard wrangler lead to short term success in "clout" and profits, thought it would turn into long term money and success only to find out he's been left holding a bag of shit. Unable to see that being king of the retards isn't actually a good position to be in.

If Dong's write-up is correct you can compare Ro to Liam minus some autism, give Ro some more time and he'll be sperging just as hard.

This is my take too, that TUG's dick pic folder has been passed around. I'm not sure if Ro will drop it because i also bet his cock is in there too and he fears letterbox retaliation.

I also agree with your assertion that Ro's "evidence" paints him in a worse light than the intended target, but also doubt it's as damning as he hopes it is.

The latest controversy doesn't make sense even for the WC imbeciles. Those who would criticize Frog for supposedly covering this up are all also guilty of covering it up for all this time too. The only difference is that they're the ones trying to extort/blackmail/whatever it is they're doing with the info now.
 
Not been the best day/week/month for @Tyne fans, eh @FROG

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More exquisite sperg poetry dropping from @FROG 's beloved ginger puffball today:

Frog was apparently 'desperately trying to gargle the balls' of Liam's audience on Liam's subsidiary channel and turn them against Liam, because Liam's audience 'are the real people.'

If Frog spoke to Liam the way he spoke to Micah, Liam 'woulda slapped the cunt in the mouf.' (Presumably he is speaking figuratively here, or possibly he's invented a teleportation device. Or he may have been simply describing how he would smack the mouth of the Frog avatar image on the screen with his hand.)

And finally, a fun little throwback to April of this year courtesy of @Pocket Jacks:

Where he described Frog as 'the Elvis of modern comics'.

I asked Liam to please remove the strikes and to stop trying to issue strikes to YouTube channels.

He told me I could only be asking him that because I don't know the whole story or don't care. And both of those things are definitely true.
He then told me that in order to ask him to remove the strikes, I must believe that the "heinous shit" Nasser and Co did to Liam were justifiable.

I told him that it wasn't fair to remove someone's livelihood out of anger.

He told me that he's not doing this out of anger, and that nobody is listening to him about what is actually going on.

I asked him why he was issuing fake copyright strikes.

He advised me that they weren't fake, and he would like to sit down with me for a one on one discussion to tell me everything. He isn't interested in handling this publicly. It will be handled in a courtroom.

I told him he didn't see to be handling anything in a courtroom. He was simply administering punishments to his critics. I told him I wouldn't discuss anything with him until he removed all strikes, and if he didn't do so, he would become nonexistent to me.

He wrote me a long monologue about me choosing to "throw him under the bus" and how he only wants to be my friend and support me. He said he is acting under the advisement of the youTube partner program and his attorney, and that Nasser is under review, has been for months, and will lose his channel like SWC did.

In fact, strangely, he told me that Nasser's channel is already gone, and he will not be permitted to stream or appear on the platform for his involvement in harassment, bullying and defamation. He underscored this by telling me that even if he removed the strikes, "he is done." Nasser is a "cruel sociopath, a stalker, a criminal and a thief."

He went on to bemoan my not defending him in the past, and blamed me for "pushing him to these extremes."

He closed out by promising not to contact me again, asking me to pray about it, and then contact him to talk it out when I'm ready. "Two mates."
Howsabout some of those delicious ginger DMs, Frog.

Come on, it's Christmas!

I want to see the DM where you warned him of becoming a laughing stock, which caused him to fantasize about punching your teeth down your throat.
 
If Frog spoke to Liam the way he spoke to Micah, Liam 'woulda slapped the cunt in the mouf.' (Presumably he is speaking figuratively here, or possibly he's invented a teleportation device. Or he may have been simply describing how he would smack the mouth of the Frog avatar image on the screen with his hand.)
Careful. We're talking about a man who gets into a fist fight literally every day. A man who contends with packs of wild dogs breaking into his house while he's trying to livestream. A man who hasn't taken a shit in weeks because that same pack of wild dogs attacked the town plumber causing the town's shared septic tank to explode. If Liam is even 10% as dangerous as his backstory would imply, we're all deep six invested.
 
Careful. We're talking about a man who gets into a fist fight literally every day. A man who contends with packs of wild dogs breaking into his house while he's trying to livestream. A man who hasn't taken a shit in weeks because that same pack of wild dogs attacked the town plumber causing the town's shared septic tank to explode. If Liam is even 10% as dangerous as his backstory would imply, we're all deep six invested.
Perhaps @FROG should be afraid, but veteran Liam hunters such as myself are aware that Liam's knees are shot from all his many years of fighting (or possibly from his many years of morbid obesity). So physical Liam attacks can be neutralized by counter-attacking his knees, rendering him utterly helpless as his fat body loses its flimsy supports and crashes to the floor.
 
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