#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Starscreams Cape]

He'd be more valuable as a workhorse if he wasn't so damn lazy.

I could be wrong, but I heard he just finished the pencils for Cash Grab recently. That project should have delivered by now, but Donal's lazy ass only just finished PENCILING it. I doubt it ever sees the light of day.

I think he's been totally done with Cecil's for a little while. The holdup there is the one doing Dirtworm Doug.

Artists like Donal Delay are a dime a dozen and hungrier, more competent ones can be found all over if one truly seeks them out.

That may be true from a technical perspective, but if you filter out the ones who are afraid to be seen working with CG the list gets considerably smaller.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

That may be true from a technical perspective, but if you filter out the ones who are afraid to be seen working with CG the list gets considerably smaller.

Pity the Jacobins who run the Big2 are what they are.

Also a pity everybody in CG has a such a giant yap and can't keep their fucking mouths shut. Otherwise artists might be willing to work anonymously or pseduonymously to pick up a 1099-NEC or two and some cash while simultaneously REEEing on Twitter about whatever it is Heather Antos commands them to that day.

 

[A nameless trool]

I could be wrong, but I heard he just finished the pencils for Cash Grab recently. That project should have delivered by now, but Donal's lazy ass only just finished PENCILING it. I doubt it ever sees the light of day.

I believe the joke for Cashgrab is that it will never deliver, so I would take any talk of delays with a grain of salt.

 

[Miniluv]

What I cannot get past is how tedious his channel has become. I'm not pissed at him, I'm bored with him. That and his latest books objectively all look like crap does not help much.

A couple of weeks ago I watched a 9 and a half minute Zack video that was 6 minutes of him sperging about some other unrelated shit in his life that nobody gives a fuck about. It was infuriating.

Zack has become something like a cool friend that you got an apartment with a couple of years ago but has grown annoying and the qualities he's always had that you previously overlooked as kind of funny quirks are now grating on your last nerve. Once he gave up being the lovable underdog in a fight against the mainstream, he just became an irritating boomer that's too young to be that much of a boomer.

I found myself getting super annoyed at his obsession with diet and fitness, jumping from one fad to another in an effort to get in shape meanwhile consuming nothing but fast food, soda, and frozen breakfast burritos. Yeah, Zack, Snake Diet could possibly work for you if your one meal a day wasn't Whataburger washed down with a giant sized sugar water. Then he tells us that his annoying cough is a reflux issue. Stop eating like a 12 year old and it'll probably go away.

Likewise, his constant reference to being very poor for an extended period of time while still maintaining the trappings of an impoverished lifestyle when he doesn't need to just rubs me wrong. You're a 50 year old man with a very, very decent income. You don't need to drive that Kia shitbox, wear $10 Walmart shoes, or get stupid looking $5 haircuts anymore (yet he flirts with the possibility of expensive hair replacement procedures). I know from experience that the awful thing about being poor is having to live like you're poor. He's got that poverty mentality that spending any more than the bare minimum is a waste of money, never thinking that you're going to spend more money over time repairing a shitbox and replacing worn out knock off shoes than you would on a higher quality item. You can't take it with you, Zack. Try to enjoy at least a middle class lifestyle.

The last few times I've watched his stuff, I just wonder what the fuck he's even talking about. He's definitely got some ADHD happening and would benefit from writing his thoughts down before recording something, which you'd think would be something a writer would do anyway. His "OCD" (which I think is just his tendency to be a control freak about things nobody gives a fuck about) is still a factor in his output too.

He should take an extended break and find some focus.

 

[Newman's Own]

Frog has expressed concern over Zack's direction as of late

When Frog expresses concern about someone in his circle publicly that person should be concerned if they are really still in his circle.

Ethan expressed similar concerns about his "good friends" Mike and Doug before they were declared traitors to the cause. Used to be you could guess who Frog would be throwing under a bus next by looking at who WC was throwing under a bus today but that barometer isn't working anymore for obvious reasons.

With the sacred cow not quite so sacred, the audience is growing considerably more hostile with Zack, what with the refusal to interact to what were fans along with the approaching year long delay with multiple crowdfunds. And it's not like there's a shortage of other things that could be promoted instead of this:

Friends help friends regardless don't they? I guess some friendships operate on a quid pro quo basis but I wouldn't call those actual "friendships".

Anyhow, Ethan, watch this video on investing and also, HBO's GIRLS is a really good show, and I only really watch fitness videos now...

OK, dude.

Do friends talk about each other this derisively in public? Of course the shade being thrown is passive aggressive but it is still denigrating. I've seen this before somewhere.

Folding on the lawsuit that made him is what sunk Zack. There's no recovering from that.

I think he could recover easily if he put out something everyone really liked.

Everyone loves a redemption arc.

Zack's problem isn't getting the book made on time.

I'll say!!!!

So he got suckered by his fulfillment service? I wonder how he picked them.

Maybe he should get in touch with ICONIC. I believe they're out of Texas and he could probably get a better deal. Tim Lim is always about keeping costs down and he's using them.

That would be hilarious!!!

EDIT:

While I've recently been spotlighting overdue and bad creators, our next entry is an example of a creator who does everything right and deserves a shout out. Matt Crott's recently launched a new crowdfunding campaign for a 44 page book and 12 page ashcan combo called Wild Tales of Kyrie.

While I'm cautious about actually recommending Comicsgate books to back, rather just reporting on them, I feel like Kyrie deserves a solid recommendation. The art, coloring and writing have all been praised and Matt has a history of on time fulfillment with multiple projects.

I don't think Matt Crotts has been CG for a couple years now.

 

[jspit2.0]

Folks are up in arms about CC being a pedo a hundred years ago, but don't say shit about grown men marrying young girls in other countries and cultures today.

And an inconvenient fact that proves them dunces (and normally I love these guys, but War Campaign needs to drop the faux outrage) is grown men have been fucking teenage girls since the dawn of time. None of us would be here if they hadn't throughout history. Judging the past from a modern perspective is an SJW thought process.

What the fuck?

He did at first when it launched in December but between refusing to appear, and launching Rock N Roll Ninja in the middle of the night while telling no one, Frog's shilling became tinged with increasing exasperation with Zack. With the sacred cow not quite so sacred, the audience is growing considerably more hostile with Zack, what with the refusal to interact to what were fans along with the approaching year long delay with multiple crowdfunds. And it's not like there's a shortage of other things that could be promoted instead of this:

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Zack's problem isn't getting the book made on time. I strongly suspect the books were finished by the original deadline back in October; the issue is that he has been stuck in a protracted contract dispute with his secret fulfillment company until last month. Now he's giving updates about teaching himself fulfillment out of "his friends' spare room" only now, six months after the original delivery date. How many orders are waiting on shipment? Only 8683? Sounds like a recipe for success.

Meyer explains the situation himself here, but it's overshadowed by his "pretending to be retarded" 'go pills' bit.

Richard's been failing on all fronts for awhile.

The thing about Donal is that he's a workhorse.

In what world is he a workhorse. Brutus still isn't done

That is his saving grace and the reason he'll be kept around.

If anyone trusts Donal at this point, they deserve what they get. Same with backing future Allegiance Arts books.

Pity the Jacobins who run the Big2 are what they are.

Also a pity everybody in CG has a such a giant yap and can't keep their fucking mouths shut. Otherwise artists might be willing to work anonymously or pseduonymously to pick up a 1099-NEC or two and some cash while simultaneously REEEing on Twitter about whatever it is Heather Antos commands them to that day.

A pity Gators are obnoxious, venal, foul, and vindictive who Reee with the best of them. A pity they've been a blight on social media for over three years.

Why wouldn't a proven creator want to join a movement where a handful of gatekeepers literally decide failure or success?

Don't misunderstand me. If you're someone without actual art talent or profile who can't do it on your own, you can do worse than CG. But someone like Sean Gordon Murphy or Scott Snyder? Nah. They don't need CG and even if it is actually true that they're scared of Heather Antos, their is plenty of headaches and moral busybodies in CG to deal with.

 

[Brother Maynard]

I've always held the common law trademark to "ComicsGate," being the first person to use it in commerce through my ComicsGate Live YouTube show. I've since made apparel with "ComicsGate" on it.

I wouldn't have bothered registering it, but it seems as though some bad actors fraudulently filed for it, and their purpose is obviously to hurt people who are sincere in their love of the popular view of what ComicsGate stands for. A trademark attorney wrote up a ten page opinion on why I am the holder of the trademark, and should be able to register it officially, and this attorney asked if I'd like him to pursue it on my behalf.

I decided to go ahead and assert my claim to it, officially, only to defend it from those people who manifestly have malicious and ill intent. I will legally defend it from those people, and license it openly to anyone who believes that SJWs shouldn't be ruining comics, and that customer service should be a priority in the comics business.

I know this will be read as controversial by people who already dislike me, but I think the course of events are pretty plain here, and I feel justified.

I think most people would agree that Comicsgate is yours.

 

[Newman's Own]

I think most people would agree that Comicsgate is yours.

In 2018 this came up and it was a real bone of contention among creators, OGCG critics and fans. FROG wisely avoided declaring CG his legally as it would have created a massive division that would have affected his bottom line and created drama he couldn't spin.

But in 2021. None of the people who would have had a problem with Ethan declaring himself "owner" of ComicsGate have anything to do with it's current incarnation and would probably be glad to see Ethan take ownership of what it's become.

I'm curious to see what might happen if Micah, Liam or even WarCampaign want to use the CG brand on their books going forward. Those losers and even Vox Day meet Ethan's stated criteria.

I decided to go ahead and assert my claim to it, officially, only to defend it from those people who manifestly have malicious and ill intent. I will legally defend it from those people, and license it openly to anyone who believes that SJWs shouldn't be ruining comics, and that customer service should be a priority in the comics business.

Will Ethan let them? I can see Ethan owning this name causing him more problems than it solves.

Presuming he even wins his challenge to Preston's claim.

 

[Mister Dongs]

Well, maybe I just want Zack to do things the way I'm doing them all the time, because it's working pretty well for me. If I'm exasperated, it's because Zack will always go his own way and do things the way he wants to do them, which usually isn't what other people want from him.

Zack's physical vanity is a pale shadow to his intellectual vanity. It gave him the confidence to develop his thesis on the comic industry and the assertiveness to pursue it in the face of heavy opposition but he'd rather withdraw and possibly collapse completely rather than concede or even be challenged on his theories of how things are. It's the sort of problem I have trouble sympathizing with since it's remedied by simply paying attention to the people around him. If he's got the right idea things are going great, but god help him if there's something he hasn't considered before making up his mind.

So he got suckered by his fulfillment service? I wonder how he picked them.

Maybe he should get in touch with ICONIC.

You really think his takeaway from this is to get his fulfillment locked in with a different third party?

 

[Miniluv]

Zack's physical vanity is a pale shadow to his intellectual vanity. It gave him the confidence to develop his thesis on the comic industry and the assertiveness to pursue it in the face of heavy opposition but he'd rather withdraw and possibly collapse completely rather than concede or even be challenged on his theories of how things are. It's the sort of problem I have trouble sympathizing with since it's remedied by simply paying attention to the people around him. If he's got the right idea things are going great, but god help him if there's something he hasn't considered before making up his mind.

The vanity/ego thing is probably also tying into his military background, not just from his years of service but being raised by a military dad too. Anyone that's lived that experience is familiar with the mindset. You have a goal, you make a plan, you don't deviate. You don't have a Plan B because that undermines confidence in Plan A. You don't take advice from people that aren't part of the plan. And because he's been right before, why would he ever think that there was anything he hadn't considered?

 

[A nameless trool]

A couple of weeks ago I watched a 9 and a half minute Zack video that was 6 minutes of him sperging about some other unrelated shit in his life that nobody gives a fuck about. It was infuriating.

Zack has become something like a cool friend that you got an apartment with a couple of years ago but has grown annoying and the qualities he's always had that you previously overlooked as kind of funny quirks are now grating on your last nerve. Once he gave up being the lovable underdog in a fight against the mainstream, he just became an irritating boomer that's too young to be that much of a boomer.

I found myself getting super annoyed at his obsession with diet and fitness, jumping from one fad to another in an effort to get in shape meanwhile consuming nothing but fast food, soda, and frozen breakfast burritos. Yeah, Zack, Snake Diet could possibly work for you if your one meal a day wasn't Whataburger washed down with a giant sized sugar water. Then he tells us that his annoying cough is a reflux issue. Stop eating like a 12 year old and it'll probably go away.

Likewise, his constant reference to being very poor for an extended period of time while still maintaining the trappings of an impoverished lifestyle when he doesn't need to just rubs me wrong. You're a 50 year old man with a very, very decent income. You don't need to drive that Kia shitbox, wear $10 Walmart shoes, or get stupid looking $5 haircuts anymore (yet he flirts with the possibility of expensive hair replacement procedures). I know from experience that the awful thing about being poor is having to live like you're poor. He's got that poverty mentality that spending any more than the bare minimum is a waste of money, never thinking that you're going to spend more money over time repairing a shitbox and replacing worn out knock off shoes than you would on a higher quality item. You can't take it with you, Zack. Try to enjoy at least a middle class lifestyle.

The last few times I've watched his stuff, I just wonder what the fuck he's even talking about. He's definitely got some ADHD happening and would benefit from writing his thoughts down before recording something, which you'd think would be something a writer would do anyway. His "OCD" (which I think is just his tendency to be a control freak about things nobody gives a fuck about) is still a factor in his output too.

He should take an extended break and find some focus.

That was always YBZ from day one.
A charismatic loser with odd quirks but could pass for a likeable person and had extreme confidense, a strict mindset of how things should be and little sense.*

Hell, the dude has three children with three different mothers while spending a good chunk of his life abroad.

The fact that a dude like that messed up an entire industry makes the us comics market seem a joke. If I was the owner of a comicbook company I would fire even the cleaners (or maybe I would appoint Jose, the jannitor without a green card that does not speak English as CEO, certain that he would do a better job)

*One of his big redeeming values though is his ability to listen to other people and sometimes course-correct. A lot of the problems with YBZ come down to listening to the wrong people, no offence to @FROG but I sincerely believe that 2017 YBZ ranting about SJWs came from what EVS was telling him, and while TDS/leftism was a problem in comics, imho it was a result of the problems, not the root of it.

 

[Rupin]

That was always YBZ from day one.
A charismatic loser with odd quirks but could pass for a likeable person and had extreme confidense, a strict mindset of how things should be and little sense.*

Hell, the dude has three children with three different mothers while spending a good chunk of his life abroad.

The fact that a dude like that messed up an entire industry makes the us comics market seem a joke. If I was the owner of a comicbook company I would fire even the cleaners (or maybe I would appoint Jose, the jannitor without a green card that does not speak English as CEO, certain that he would do a better job)

*One of his big redeeming values though is his ability to listen to other people and sometimes course-correct. A lot of the problems with YBZ come down to listening to the wrong people, no offence to @FROG but I sincerely believe that 2017 YBZ ranting about SJWs came from what EVS was telling him, and while TDS/leftism was a problem in comics, imho it was a result of the problems, not the root of it.

i think think the problem is that Zack is still stuck in 2017.

 

[Image Reactions]

i think think the problem is that Zack is still stuck in 2017.

Well, the biggest problem that clown has is his voice and bastardized Guy Gardner haircut.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

i think think the problem is that Zack is still stuck in 2017.

I wish. I found the Zach who threw comics into the pipes in his NYC apartment while full of inchoate, righteous autism tinged anger endlessly amusing. The coughing and stuttering offering a sort of audio accompaniment approaching perfection.

Maybe I wouldn't any more after all this time if he'd kept up with that shtick, dunno, but those days are long gone.

 

[Greed]

It's pretty crazy how Cecil turned a respected artist into the CG whipping boy almost as soon as he showed up.

Shane needed to be turned into a whipping boy, it was the only way for him to succeed in comicsgate with his personality. This is actually something Adam Post could stand to learn from. Shane quickly realized that shilling his dumb cat book with the stoicism of a funeral director and allowing himself to be trivialized into a human meme is actually a pretty effective way of getting a bunch of middle aged men to care about a comic that looks like it was made for eight year old girls.
Then there's Adam Post.
Hey Adam what's your book about?
"I dunno man it's like mermaids and big boobs and guns and manliness; it's totally sick and badass dude."
Shane may hate Cecil but he's smart enough to tolerate him.

 

[Rupin]

Well, the biggest problem that clown has is his voice and bastardized Guy Gardner haircut.

I don't think that he has too much choice in hairstyles now. That shit is receding like a mofo.

 

[BlueKnight]

Shane needed to be turned into a whipping boy, it was the only way for him to succeed in comicsgate with his personality. This is actually something Adam Post could stand to learn from. Shane quickly realized that shilling his dumb cat book with the stoicism of a funeral director and allowing himself to be trivialized into a human meme is actually a pretty effective way of getting a bunch of middle aged men to care about a comic that looks like it was made for eight year old girls.
Then there's Adam Post.
Hey Adam what's your book about?
"I dunno man it's like mermaids and big boobs and guns and manliness; it's totally sick and badass dude."
Shane may hate Cecil but he's smart enough to tolerate him.

Adam has some weird taste, no flair for presentation and suspect design skills but he's still doing his best and getting his product out in a timely manner which is admirable. I wish I could back either of his books but they just aren't my jam. I would have been pissed to get that zombie book though and see it's basically a layout used for Family Circus panels. We're talking about comic books here, not Marmaduke reprints. Ultimately though, people like Post are going to persevere because like the US in WW2, they didn't have to make the best tanks, they just had to make more tanks than anyone else. Post needs to up his game and start cranking out 7 books a year at that 12-15k level and he's gold.

 

[Greed]

Ultimately though, people like Post are going to persevere because like the US in WW2, they didn't have to make the best tanks, they just had to make more tanks than anyone else. Post needs to up his game and start cranking out 7 books a year at that 12-15k level and he's gold.

While this analogy is accurate, isn't this the same tactic Zack has pivoted toward? From what I can tell he's struggling to make it work, and Post doesn't even have a fraction of the fanbase and support Meyer does.
I'm just not sure he has the momentum for people to even notice him putting out seven books a year, let alone actually purchase them.
Then there's the issue of the books themselves. Producing rapid fire one-offs is creatively draining. If "badass mermaids" is what Adam Post comes up with when he's actually trying, I'd hate to imaging what he comes up with when he's not.

 

[Miniluv]

If "badass mermaids" is what Adam Post comes up with when he's actually trying, I'd hate to imaging what he comes up with when he's not.

It looks like he didn't write or draw any of the books he's been pushing. I'm wondering what the hell it is he even does. Did it take an "idea guy" to come up with zombies and mermaids? He doesn't write, he doesn't draw, he doesn't know how to lay out a book, and he doesn't have a good on screen personality ...why is he getting space on the biggest platform in CG next to actual pro creators (and Cecil)?

 

[Newman's Own]

Shane needed to be turned into a whipping boy, it was the only way for him to succeed in comicsgate with his personality. This is actually something Adam Post could stand to learn from. Shane quickly realized that shilling his dumb cat book with the stoicism of a funeral director and allowing himself to be trivialized into a human meme is actually a pretty effective way of getting a bunch of middle aged men to care about a comic that looks like it was made for eight year old girls.
Then there's Adam Post.
Hey Adam what's your book about?
"I dunno man it's like mermaids and big boobs and guns and manliness; it's totally sick and badass dude."
Shane may hate Cecil but he's smart enough to tolerate him.

So all Shane needs to do to be a success in ComicsGate is to swallow his pride and show up to be shit on regularly? Sounds about right.

I guess it worked for Nasser his first time around and Mike Miller until he decided to try "punching up".

Who should we cheer for? The worthless alcoholic freeloader with the self insert book drawn by a loathsome diabetic cuck ripoff artist or the professional with zero personality or backbone who's idea of great comics is a funny animal power ranger ripoff made to keep his wife happy. ComicsGate is a trash heap of trash people making trash comics.

And how many Bronies are there in ComicsGate anyway?



1,079 backers donating $106,000 to this.

It looks like he didn't write or draw any of the books he's been pushing. I'm wondering what the hell it is he even does. Did it take an "idea guy" to come up with zombies and mermaids? He doesn't write, he doesn't draw, he doesn't know how to lay out a book, and he doesn't have a good on screen personality ...why is he getting space on the biggest platform in CG next to actual pro creators (and Cecil)?

Post likes to compare himself to a Hollywood producer. He thinks of himself as an "idea man". College of the Dead was his original genius idea.

Just like a Hollywood producer he said "Zombies were hot ten years ago. Let's see if we can drag the last bucket of mud up from that well."

You really think his takeaway from this is to get his fulfillment locked in with a different third party?

Maybe he should get in touch with ICONIC. I believe they're out of Texas and he could probably get a better deal. Tim Lim is always about keeping costs down and he's using them.

That would be hilarious!!!

No. I think it would be ironic and funny if he did.

It would be a good decision though, so I don't expect he'd make it.