#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Gar For Archer]

Nobody expected the sales that he got. He would've been a fool to pre-print that much inventory.

Digital would've been pirated on Day 1.

The primary audience for this book isn’t people interested in a good story, it’s people who want to consoooooom for their based black internet daddy.

 

[The Bovinian Derivative]

As I understand, everything was already designed and finalized and ready to go, but not actually printed yet. I believe the warehouse was one of his stretch goals?

Found his tweet/video about the werehouse. It looks like he indeed got everything that's an addon (he says posters, concept art and the variant covers), but not the actual normal-cover version of the comic book.

 

[TheMadAutist]

Nobody expected the sales that he got. He would've been a fool to pre-print that much inventory.

Digital would've been pirated on Day 1.

Fair enough. Now explain why his "campaign" that was totally not crowdfunding did not ship orders out as they came in? I mean, he had inventory so books should have been shipped week 1 no?

 

[Gar For Archer]

Fair enough. Now explain why his "campaign" that was totally not crowdfunding did not ship orders out as they came in? I mean, he had inventory so books should have been shipped week 1 no?

I mean I love ripping on Rippa as much as the next guy, but crowdfunding has a certain connotation of collecting money to fund the development of a product. What Rippa is doing is more similar to a preorder, where money is being collected in advance to fund the production.

 

[TheMadAutist]

I mean I love ripping on Rippa as much as the next guy, but crowdfunding has a certain connotation of collecting money to fund the development of a product. What Rippa is doing is more similar to a preorder, where money is being collected in advance to fund the production.

Semantics. He presented his product as if it was 100% ready to ship.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Fair enough. Now explain why his "campaign" that was totally not crowdfunding did not ship orders out as they came in? I mean, he had inventory so books should have been shipped week 1 no?

Marketing decision I guess. If I were in the same situation and had available inventory I would've shipped until it was exhausted and then announced that due to overwhelming demand, etc, but I still don't have a problem with making sure everyone gets it around the same time as long as we're not talking several months. As it stands a few weeks isn't a big deal considering the standard-bearers of his 'movement' are now multiple years late on theirs.

[Did anyone else notice the 2023 copyright date on the CF2 card mockup Frog posted yesterday?]

 

[Captain Manning]

Could it be that the masked lothario has had it with the unreasonable expectations of CG and is preparing to decamp to greener, younger, drunker, more fun-loving pastures with a better class of sucker audience?

I don't think he'll leave unless he's shown the door. In a leaderless organization, it would also probably have to involve a majority of people pushing him in that direction.

And therein lies the problem. I think several people in CG have probably had it with Cecil's shit, but they're keeping it bottled up (that's psychologically unhealthy guys, BTW) and nobody wants to be first in line to be the "bad guy." @FROG in particular.

From my point of view, publicly disavowing Cecil would show that CG isn't going to tolerate grift and incompetence of this magnitude, just because somebody expresses the "right opinions" about the Ess-Jay-Dubba-Yews. Anybody can do that. I can go on stream, watch women pee, rant about transgender furfags for hours, and ALSO not release a comic. I'm fighting the culture war! Where's my $200,000? Such bullshit.

But seriously... for the foreseeable future, they seem content to remain a loose confederation of dunces that have absolutely NO standards other than declaring oneself to be in CG.

The primary audience for this book isn’t people interested in a good story, it’s people who want to consoooooom for their based black internet daddy.

They think by backing Rippa, they're firing an artillery shell in the culture war. For some people, that's a dopamine hit. I don't think it's quite as effective as they hope it is, but it makes them happy nevertheless.

 

[Gar For Archer]

Semantics. He presented his product as if it was 100% ready to ship.

Did he? As far as I know anyways, it was always planned to ship some time in August, and no buyer was under the impression that their book would be on the way within days of paying.

Marketing decision I guess. If I were in the same situation and had available inventory I would've shipped until it was exhausted and then announced that due to overwhelming demand, etc, but I still don't have a problem with making sure everyone gets it around the same time as long as we're not talking several months. As it stands a few weeks isn't a big deal considering the standard-bearers of his 'movement' are now multiple years late on theirs.

[Did anyone else notice the 2023 copyright date on the CF2 card mockup Frog posted yesterday?]

From a pure business perspective it absolutely makes sense to make a slight delay and ship your product all at once. If you ship advance copies out to early buyers and the book turns out to be mediocre, you’re giving the rest of your customers a LOT of time to doubt their $50 purchase and try to do a return or chargeback.

 

[jspit2.0]

It will never not amuse me that Doug Tennaple, who got under Cecil's skin so effortlessly and couldn't give a fuck about consumers, managed to fulfill multiple projects while supposedly pro consumer Cecil has yet to fulfill at all.

I mean I love ripping on Rippa as much as the next guy, but crowdfunding has a certain connotation of collecting money to fund the development of a product. What Rippa is doing is more similar to a preorder, where money is being collected in advance to fund the production.

Which is at the root of my problem with CG. It's creators overpricing their product and collecting money in advance while putting all the risk on consumers. That's a terrible model.

I don't think he'll leave unless he's shown the door. In a leaderless organization, it would also probably have to involve a majority of people pushing him in that direction.

And therein lies the problem. I think several people in CG have probably had it with Cecil's shit, but they're keeping it bottled up (that's psychologically unhealthy guys, BTW) and nobody wants to be first in line to be the "bad guy." @FROG in particular.

It's Frog's club for good or ill. And Cecil is a good yes man who's sufficiently loyal.

 

[TheMadAutist]

From a pure business perspective it absolutely makes sense to make a slight delay and ship your product all at once. If you ship advance copies out to early buyers and the book turns out to be mediocre, you’re giving the rest of your customers a LOT of time to doubt their $50 purchase and try to do a return or chargeback.

Mediocre book? How is that possible, his fans were all over the internet calling Eric the next Stan Lee!

 

[The Coon]

And therein lies the problem. I think several people in CG have probably had it with Cecil's shit, but they're keeping it bottled up (that's psychologically unhealthy guys, BTW) and nobody wants to be first in line to be the "bad guy." @FROG in particular.

I'm pretty sure this was the exact situation with Zack. There were peeps here and there, but most kept it bottled up until Zack fired a shot across Frog's bow. Frog finally called Zack out, then multiple people came out of the CG woodworks to complain about Zack.

 

[Ike Aim]

Wtf would he want to sell only physical books with no alternatives?

Because he knows what business he's actually in: YouTuber merch. It's all fundamentally Eric July swag - including the comic book(s).

Semantics. He presented his product as if it was 100% ready to ship.

I followed him off and on for much of the year+ run-up and he constantly would hem and haw about both the content and the state of production. It made documenting anything he would say completely pointless until he started posting warehouse pics a few months ago. Everything except the deep libertarian philosophical and socio-political ramifications of what he was doing was always clear as mud.

From my point of view, publicly disavowing Cecil would show that CG isn't going to tolerate grift and incompetence of this magnitude

Yeah, it would be a strong step towards that but I don't think that's why he's around one way or the other. He's "good YouTube" and apparently Good Meet-Up. G+G/FNT secures Cecil and they continue to build-up a bench of morning zoo radio -tier characters to serve as toadies and comic relief, making up for their gaps in actual talent. EVS offers him the opportunity to make quips a couple times a week while navigating the prickly eccentricities of artists. Jeremy offers him >muh brand and a constant fresh supply of sawed-off dumb girls to simp for.

Son of a bitch, I think you're right.

There are pics of her pre-boob job that have been posted. Maybe Dongs dropped them somewhere itt. I don't recall.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

I'm pretty sure this was the exact situation with Zack. There were peeps here and there, but most kept it bottled up until Zack fired a shot across Frog's bow. Frog finally called Zack out, then multiple people came out of the CG woodworks to complain about Zack.

That's how it was forever with WarCampaign until Malin and Cecil of all people finally spoke up.

 

[Indelable]

[Did anyone else notice the 2023 copyright date on the CF2 card mockup Frog posted yesterday?]

He is quite good aa integrating , hidden , messages in his art . He could have been a real problem working for advertising .Who knows what he could have sold people on . It is scary to think of. But I do believe subliminal messaging works .
I wonder what I am not seeing in just that card back.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep ( Telefon 1977 )

 

[FROG]

[Did anyone else notice the 2023 copyright date on the CF2 card mockup Frog posted yesterday?]

Yeah, that was a last minute choice I made. Hopefully we'll begin shipping to backers in 2022, but I'll be selling them out of my warehouse all through 2023, and I wanted them to feel "new" and not have last year's date on them.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Yeah, that was a last minute choice I made. Hopefully we'll begin shipping to backers in 2022, but I'll be selling them out of my warehouse all through 2023, and I wanted them to feel "new" and not have last year's date on them.

Three months ago you mentioned that you were quoted a two-month turnaround time for the printer when I mentioned the paper shortage. Is that still the case?

 

[FROG]

Three months ago you mentioned that you were quoted a two-month turnaround time for the printer when I mentioned the paper shortage. Is that still the case?

Yeah, don’t get these two things confused. That’s the card back of the action figures that says 2023, not REKT PLANET.

We‘ve finalized the lettering of the book and we’re putting it together now. It’s going to print in a week or so. 2-3 month turnaround time, as I understand it.

btw thanks for catching the spelling errors on ‘90s and ”separately”. theyll be fixed in the final version.

 

[FluffyJackal]

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So where's the comic?

July said he'd ship in August. If he's dumb enough to wait until the 31st, that means he's got around mid-September to prove he can deliver.

It's Frog's club for good or ill. And Cecil is a good yes man who's sufficiently loyal.

Also consider that publicly confronting Cecil from withing Comicsgate on his tardiness would shed way too much unwanted light on CG's overall problem with delayed books.

There are pics of her pre-boob job that have been posted. Maybe Dongs dropped them somewhere itt. I don't recall.

Heck there are vids from that era:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb2rFEVUfWY

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

btw thanks for catching the spelling errors on ‘90s and ”separately”. theyll be fixed in the final version.

Should've let the first printing happen before fixing it. Collector's item.

I didn't catch them by the way, I spell both of those the same way you did.

 

[Captain Manning]

It will never not amuse me that Doug Tennaple, who got under Cecil's skin so effortlessly and couldn't give a fuck about consumers, managed to fulfill multiple projects while supposedly pro consumer Cecil has yet to fulfill at all.

Whatever his other failings, Doug has worth ethic.

Actually, I still kinda like Doug. He's like a crazy uncle that will recount you with tales of lizard people and insane political conspiracies, but you don't dare invite to Thanksgiving dinner because of that. He's at least interesting.

That's how it was forever with WarCampaign until Malin and Cecil of all people finally spoke up.

Yep.

Also, isn't Adam Post persona non grata?

It's not unprecedented. They just don't want to do it with Cecil for some reason.

Also consider that publicly confronting Cecil from withing Comicsgate on his tardiness would shed way too much unwanted light on CG's overall problem with delayed books.

Oh, we're BEYOND that point now.