#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

jspit2.0 said:
That being said, Nerdette is particularly funny cgow because she thirstily chased CG before becoming disenchanted. The fun is you could take Nerdette circa two years ago and she would literally have nodded her vacuous head with @FROG .
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Absolutely.

To be fair, she scored a few points in the beginning, but that's mainly attributable to FROG looking like he's dodging simple questions or giving disingenuous answers.

"I don't like SJWs."
"What's an SJW?"
"The people in mainstream comics that collectivize people."
"Give me an example."
"You know... the people putting the shit in comics."

I think FROG would do better if he just said "Look, I don't want globohobo SJW shit shoehorned into my comics, and I wanna be able to include non PC themes without dangerhairs screeching autistically. The mainstream industry won't allow that, so I'm trying to form an alternative." That seems like more of a complete and honest answer, and I don't know why he was so vague.

But few people will care about how he handled that because her voice is so obnoxious, she comes across as petty and ignorant, and she pretty clearly gasses around the time she starts talking about Eric July and Douglas Ernst. Jury is sill out on whether July will fulfill any better than CG, and Ernst is a retard shithead for doing the Hut crap. One hill doesn't quite exist yet, and the other is a dumb one to die on.

jspit2.0 said:
He ran a bunch of campaigns off of the first book. All fulfilled. It's a bit cheap, but it's also a shit talking point I wish his detractors would shut up about. You can hammer any number of people over fulfillment.

Frog isn't one of them. He's slow.
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Like I said, I don't think CG is so much an outright scam as I think it's just incompetent when it comes to fulfillment. If they fixed that, 95% of the concerns people express about them would evaporate. You'd be left with some of them looking like dorks on livestreams, but that's about it. Weak sauce.

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Captain Manning said:
Absolutely.

To be fair, she scored a few points in the beginning, but that's mainly attributable to FROG looking like he's dodging simple questions or giving disingenuous answers.

"I don't like SJWs."
"What's an SJW?"
"The people in mainstream comics that collectivize people."
"Give me an example."
"You know... the people putting the shit in comics."

I think FROG would do better if he just said "Look, I don't want globohobo SJW shit shoehorned into my comics, and I wanna be able to include non PC themes without dangerhairs screeching autistically. The mainstream industry won't allow allow that, so I'm trying to form an alternative." That seems like more of a complete and honest answer, and I don't know why he was so vague.

But few people will care about how he handled that because her voice is so obnoxious, she comes across as petty and ignorant, and she pretty clearly gasses around the time she starts talking about Eric July and Douglas Ernst. Jury is sill out on whether July will fulfill any better than CG, and Ernst is a retard shithead for doing the Hut crap. One hill doesn't quite exist yet, and the other is a dumb one to die on.
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It's easy to score points because Frog is still trying to pursue a left triangulation and he is still dealing with his latent globohomo liberalism he held to for most of his adult life. He wants to find 'sane liberals' and create some popular front with them. The problem is they either don't exist or, at best, exist in such small numbers that they have little to contribute and it was their inherent social liberalism that empowered SJWs.

You're right, had Nerdette debated you or a normal Kiwi, she'd have been blown out. "The people advocating giving sex change drugs to preschoolers and sticking rainbow dildos on everything." Or. "I'm just not interested in gay shit on literally everything," like the fucking Spidey game mod that is on the front page.

Frog may get there, but first he has to acknowledge that everything from the first twenty or so years of his professional life was probably shit.

Captain Manning said:
Like I said, I don't think CG is so much an outright scam as I think it's just incompetent when it comes to fulfillment. If they fixed that, 95% of the concerns people express about them would evaporate. You'd be left with some of them looking like dorks on livestreams, but that's about it. Weak sauce.
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Its a scam in that they are grifting off of culture war that I believe they don't give a damn about. But it is not a scam in the sense of 'antiCG', for lack of a better term, assertion that they are defrauding people of promised product; though that has happened.
 
Captain Manning said:
She's probably not wrong. The only high I.Q. gigachad move for dealing with bossy women is to put your foot down and say "no." (*cough* Vikki *cough*).
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Yeah, but the whole thing with "negging" is that it's flirting, not really bossing. Britler was essentially saying "It's cool being young and attractive because you can flirt with guys and they like it", she just overthinks it. It'll be curious to see how it all plays out in 4 years / 40 lbs. when the burping and slurping her soup on stream isn't "cute" and ironic anymore. A lot of B-movie and TV actresses and such who work the convention circuits keep their hangers-on for decades well past the expiration date so it'll be interesting to see if the e-girl simps follow a similar pattern. I suspect they will.

Captain Manning said:
Does anybody else have difficulty believing that voice...

Comes from this?
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Those are filters, homie... and pixelated for good measure. One wonders if she sounded like prime Sally Kellerman and had the looks to match if things would all go different for her (of course they would) but I guess it's like a vicious cycle: they're hideous and repugnant so men want little to do with them so they have low self-esteem and anger issues, begetting more anger towards men (which is really what all this is about when you get down to it) and repugnant behavior. No "negs" are possible. Only "nags". @FROG's prayers yesterday cracked me up because anger towards God is so often just anger towards daddy, deified so he was getting to the heart of the matter if he realized it or not. None of this is about what they say it is which is why "debates" with these utter knobs is so pointless (but it can be entertaining if you can make it so).

The Coon said:
It is hard to believe, but I always have a hard time imagining what someone looks like from just hearing their voice.
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She has a voice you can smell and you can hear the COPD. Not good.

Great week so far for femoid psychology. Thank you all.
 
jspit2.0 said:
You're right, had Nerdette debated you or a normal Kiwi, she'd have been blown out. "The people advocating giving sex change drugs to preschoolers and sticking rainbow dildos on everything." Or. "I'm just not interested in gay shit on literally everything," like the fucking Spidey game mod that is on the front page.
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I chose Frog as the winner of the debate due to Nerdette being such a waffling dumbass. But, you are right, it definitely wasn’t the blowout she would have experienced had she debated one of us. Though she did have Frog on the ropes a couple of times during the debate, like when she inquired about DC shutting its doors for good or Jim Lee leaving and his super late campaigns but, she couldn’t keep it together long enough to not let Frog talk his way out of the questions with vague excuses and non answers.
 
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dogemperorofdune said:
Hi, first time post after I've been lurking around for a while.

Been following the whole Rippaverse shenanigans for a while and I'm glad that there's a bit of skepticism here in the Farms about July's attempt to 'save comics'. The shill threads on 4chan also have their own skeptics thankfully enough.

Here's my two cents: Most people don't care anymore about 90s capeshit except edgy try-hards like Ed Piskor. It's mainly a bunch of boomers and older millennials who rage about the current state of superheroes the way their dads rage about how it was better in the good ol' days. And the funny thing is, July lauded the success of manga over American comics. Instead of following that direction and hiring a mix of different talents with different art styles, to mix things up a bit and attract a larger audience, he goes full 90s capeshit to fight the current deluge of woke capeshit.

Think back to anthologies like Dark Horse Presents or Heavy Metal. And since I'm from Blighty, we have 2000 AD, which mixes stories featuring action, cosmic horror, comedy or even political thrillers. A 96-page flagship title with several stories inside for the prices he listed would be a much more sensible approach, in turn giving plenty of young hopefuls a launching pad for their careers. His paypiggies would have still forked their cash as long as he's preaching his anti-woke or anti-SJW in the crowdfunding campaign.

Speaking of which, it's a little strange not to preview at least 10 pages of the comic to give us an idea about the flow of it, the quality of the writing or the quality of the art itself. Previews are important to generate more hype or give us a better idea of what we're paying for, @YoungRippa59. So far your characters and premise are too generic to warrant $35.

I'm intrigued to see where Rippaverse and Isom go, and whether he sinks or swims, but I haven't pre-ordered because that would be a little foolish at this stage. I'm more interested in stacking my shelf with bande desinee like Elric of Melniboné and some of those titles that Rageaholic gushed about.
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New to Kiwi Farms, If I can honest, he could've looked at Tim Lim and Mark Pellegrini's Kamen America. And see how much success they've been raking in. To the point where Japanese artists, did a comic of their own of Kamen America, for their Comiket and sold out. 5 Volumes release with their second Crossover coming next week. Also, the Volume 6 campaign of Kamen America is coming this fall.
 
jspit2.0 said:
It's easy to score points because Frog is still trying to pursue a left triangulation and he is still dealing with his latent globohomo liberalism he held to for most of his adult life. He wants to find 'sane liberals' and create some popular front with them. The problem is they either don't exist or, at best, exist in such small numbers that they have little to contribute and it was their inherent social liberalism that empowered SJWs.
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It's funny you should mention that, because somebody in chat contended he shirked giving an opinion on homosexuality because it would lose him followers. I didn't think to include it in the summary.

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You're right though. I think it's a fool's errand to leave the door open for lefties to join CG, or even appeal to them, if that's what he's doing. He's not gonna get them, and they have a nasty tendency to want to co-opt things instead of assimilating. Those that wouldn't are cowed into submission by the more radical ones anyways. Which means anybody he might want is probably scared shitless of being in the same room as EVS, much less joining CG.

I understand the fact he wants to be "big tent" in the sense that he feels comics shouldn't be overtly political, and that's fine, but a little bit of "gatekeeping" might go a long way to better defining CG. SJWs and outright hucksters shouldn't be in any movement, IMO. The are predisposed to ruin things for everyone.

jspit2.0 said:
You're right, had Nerdette debated you or a normal Kiwi, she'd have been blown out.
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I appreciate that, but I think I'm ill equipped to define CG because I'm not... ya know... in CG. Nor do I want to be. The best I could do is try to reinterpret what I think Ethan is thinking in a way that sounds more genuine and comprehensible. And since I'm not EVS, there's no guarantee that reinterpretation would be at all accurate.

EVS sucks at defining things in ways common people can easily grasp. He should look into getting a publicist/PR person. Because I can tell you that anyone trying to figure out what CG is from this debate is probably still confused. The only thing more confusing than his attempt to explain CG was the sight of Lex Luther fighting the disembodied voice of a retarded harpy. I feel especially bad for those who watched this while on shrooms or acid.

OTOH, I do agree that when it comes to the July and Ernst shit, any one of us could have bent her over easily. She displayed a stunning amount of ignorance on those topics. It was painful.

jspit2.0 said:
Its a scam in that they are grifting off of culture war that I believe they don't give a damn about. But it is not a scam in the sense of 'antiCG', for lack of a better term, assertion that they are defrauding people of promised product; though that has happened.
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I go back and forth on this. On the one hand, they are so shit at defining what their grievances are with mainstream comics, and the whole SJW thing, it's easy to see why people think it's a grift/scam. OTOH, mainstream comics are pretty clearly dogshit now due to the infiltration of SJWs, and I believe them when they say they'd be gatekept out of mainstream comics and have to do something. In that sense, there's somewhat of a culture war aspect to all this, but it's mainly in the historical sense now. The non-SJWs lost that fight. At least for now. Where you're absolutely right is that "fighting the culture war" is pretty clearly secondary to doing their own thing and making money. They should just say as much.

Also, LOL.

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Captain Manning said:
You're right though. I think it's a fool's errand to leave the door open for lefties to join CG, or even appeal to them, if that's what he's doing.
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Yeah, if. But to be saint's advocate if the point is "I'm not going to let you change me" then it's potentially noble (as well as being potentially ruinous if you're not careful). I mean, there really is no debate happening. It's thumbing noses at leftist struggle sessions (which the leftists call 'debate'). Being reasonable/compassionate/conciliatory/forgiving and all that gay nonsense while at the same time openly mocking the person strikes me as a way of refusing to stare into the abyss and allowing it to consume you. Sort of a power move. Just look at how so many of these anti-wokers now see wokeness everywhere they go. They can't enjoy anything unless it's completely outside their wheelhouse like Top Gun or The Terminal List or worse they're pretending to love comics they haven't even read like Rippaverse. They're trained and their audience is trained. Blackpilled/demoralized and they don't even know it. Or even if it's just hugboxing or the weird way attention and the way the public gaze can warp a person like @Mister Dongs pointed out with Anna. If the point is not truly opening the door to them but rather to take a stand against their bullshit in a way that allows you to frame things in a way more ennobling to you and conducive to your own sanity then I can see that being a valid strategy. Or maybe I'm naive here. These are people who sit in video dunking booths and drink themselves into a blind stupor for the Internet.
 
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I tried to watch it, but didn’t last 5 minutes. Frog needs to find more entertaining debate partners if he wants to debate, because right now they’re either idiots, insufferable, or both.

The people who went to the trouble of watching the whole thing are truly masters of willpower, or are deaf. That person is totally insufferable, and I can’t comprehend volunteering to listen to it speak.
 
Ike Aim said:
I mean, there really is no debate happening. It's thumbing noses at leftist struggle sessions (which the leftists call 'debate').
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Of course there isn't, and there shouldn't be. The "culture war" shit is dumb within the context of Comicsgate. The SJWs have Marvel and DC, and FROG has his thing. Each side regards the other as the cursed earth, and never the twain should meet.

It irks me when FROG tries to make this about "the culture wars." Like when he thought it was a sick burn to tell Tim Lim he's contributed nothing to the culture wars. As if getting more and more books into the hands of customers with quick turnaround is somehow meaningless.

CG hasn't contributed much to the culture wars, unless they really think having 7-8 idiots on a livestream bloviating about something stupid a blue checkmark said on Twitter for hours at a time is really moving the goal posts any. Here's a hint: It's not. Plenty of people outside CG do that.

Frank Sinatra said the best form of revenge is success. He said nothing about endlessly critiquing the other side. What triggers the SJWs more than anything is when there's something they can't co-copt and it's successful. Need an example? They've been trying to take down Kiwifarms for years, and are foaming at the mouth batshit insane that they can't.

Emphasize the books. Increase productivity. Steal their oxygen. Your reward will be less bitching about late books, and more caterwauling by unhinged people besides themselves with the realization there's an increasing number satisfied customers for your products.
 
Captain Manning said:
Of course there isn't, and there shouldn't be. The "culture war" shit is dumb within the context of Comicsgate.
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So, do you think ignoring the SJWs is an option at this point? Again, playing saint's advocate. Or could all this just be an elaborate form of procrastination? Or something even more pathetic? Burning up all the oxygen through sheer creative output is of course ideal but we all know not all artists work that way. Not everyone has Eric July's aspirations.
 
Ike Aim said:
So, do you think ignoring the SJWs is an option at this point?
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To a large degree. At least in the U.S., where we still have freedom of expression. Fortunately, CG is a Ameri-centric business that's largely trying to make better comics patterned off of traditional American comics.

The major bugaboo is the fragility of shit like payment processors, and various other aspects of private business infrastructure (i.e. websites and DDoS protection). When they feel extremely offended or threatened by somebody, they try to fuck with those things. Again, KF is an example. However, I don't think CG is in the same strata where banks and payment processors would really want to cut CG off in order to virtue signal. JDA's holocaust denial aside, most people in CG seem relatively minor league when it comes to edgelord content. They're hardly the Proud Boys, Daily Stormer, 8chan, or what have you. Which I think is the current yardstick for large businesses telling you to fuck off.

Taking that metaphor further, an example of what you don't want to do is something like NeoGAF or Something Awful. They let tranny furfaggots in to appear more "inclusive," and it ruined everything.

What can absolutely be ignored is what is going on at Marvel and D.C.. Or what most of CG's SJW critics are saying about them. Nobody should care. The SJWs bulldozed their way into mainstream comics, but then turned those companies into unprofitable shitpiles. Who cares about unprofitable shitpiles? WHY care about unprofitable shitpiles? An occasional laugh at their failure is cathartic perhaps, but not if it excessively detracts from production of a superior alternative.

Ike Aim said:
Burning up all the oxygen through sheer creative output is of course ideal but we all know not all artists work that way. Not everyone has Eric July's aspirations.
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They should, but I'm waiting to see if his aspirations transition into fulfillment.

🤞

I'll try to do the third quarter of the EVS vs. Nerdette debate tonight, but I might have to get drunk first. God help me.
 
FROG said:
Colors > Scripting > Lettering > Edits > Formatting > Printing > Fulfillment.

We are finalizing the format now and ordering the quantities for print.
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That's good to hear, I just think you should've had the 2020 orders delivered before doing a "second chance." For the third book do you have a few pages sketched out or completed to avoid longer waits?
 
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Ike Aim said:
So, do you think ignoring the SJWs is an option at this point?
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Yes or better yet, not making out yourself to be an unlikeable insecure moron like most of the CG YouTubers constantly getting into stupid dramas & calling anything that remotely offends them or find dislikable as "woke" or "sjw propaganda", showing themselves to be no better than SJWs they constantly bitch about.
 
A Meme to Power said:
Frog needs to find more entertaining debate partners if he wants to debate, because right now they’re either idiots, insufferable, or both.
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It's a rule of thumb by this point that Ethan must have some kind of blessing/curse/lucky frogs foot, that causes all his non-SJW opponents a necessary thing IMO to become retards, or be revealed as such previously. I stopped a-logging so much partly for fear that his witchcraft would get to work on me and supernaturally cause my IQ points to drop. Some might say I have too few as it is and can't afford to lose them.

BroFist28 said:
showing themselves to be no better than SJWs they constantly bitch about.
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And then there are the people who constantly bitch about the people who constantly bitch about SJWs and show themselves to be no better than SJWs, and show themselves to be no better than the people who are no better than the SJWs. But what about the people who bitch about the people who bitch about the people who bitch about SJWs? Do they also get caught up in this vicious loop of bitching and no-better-thanning?
 
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