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Mr Processor said:
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I still can't get over his channel name change. So pointless, and means nothing. Comics don't matter.

You're really saving the comics industry Richard, just like you were taking it down.
 
Fleetwood said:
In the time you waited you could have learned to draw. Or written a book the kind without pictures.
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Yes, I'll get right on those novels nobody will buy or read.
Before you start your bullshit, Brandon Sanderson sells books because he's famous, same with JK Rowling.
Most people in prose publishing average less than 1,000 sales a quarter, they might cross 1,000 sales in a quarter if they have a legacy publisher behind them.

On the topic of drawing the comic myself: It sounds super simple. But I don't want to do that, I didn't say anywhere that was trapped into the method I use, I never have claimed that. I chose to hire talent to bring my stuff to life because I wanted to present these stories with visuals created by people who have dedicated their lives to doing that specific part. I don't have a passion for drawing, my works will never ever be as pleasing to look at as the works of the artists I hire. That might not matter to you, but I don't do this because it matters to anyone else but me.
A lot of guys just want an idea out there, the execution isn't much of a consideration for them. I don't have that need. God bless the fellas that go for it with all their might.

Meanwhile, you tell me to draw it myself but the Kings (except Liam) all draw their own stuff and it takes yeeeeeears to come out. Yeeeeears. The fact is you need a penciler, an inker, colorist and letterer full-time employed if you want to have a monthly release with the quality of early 2000's Marvel and DC. I'm sure there are some guys that go faster, maybe draw with both hands, but most don't zoom through a page in a day. Manga even works this way, the main artist draws the characters and plot sensitive objects, then another artist or two draws the backgrounds in, and a letterer comes in at the end.

Reality is often disappointing.
 
Olórin of Hype said:
Meanwhile, you tell me to draw it myself but the Kings (except Liam) all draw their own stuff and it takes yeeeeeears to come out. Yeeeeears. The fact is you need a penciler, an inker, colorist and letterer full-time employed if you want to have a monthly release with the quality of early 2000's Marvel and DC. I'm sure there are some guys that go faster, maybe draw with both hands, but most don't zoom through a page in a day. Manga even works this way, the main artist draws the characters and plot sensitive objects, then another artist or two draws the backgrounds in, and a letterer comes in at the end.

Reality is often disappointing.
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You are exaggerating what I said and not taking in the full scope of comicsgate's blunders.
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I never said you had to make a 2000's style comic book or manga in one month. What I'm saying is since the Reignbow the Brute campaign funded anyone who couldn't draw professionally could have finished a full 4 year art degree while working on a book- then had another 6 months to print it. The bar is so low in Comicsgate. As for your graphs, nuanced figures about how the arts are unprofitable are not really needed because that's a given. But finding excuses to not work on your art makes claims of being a writer spurious. I guess it's a side hobby and you can go as slow as you want but I get sick of hearing "as a creator" when not much creating is happening. Your good friend @Fandom Pulse may be a better comparable than Sanderson, he is the #1 Author of several obscure categories after all. I'm sure you could work to be that great at least.
 
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Fleetwood said:
You are exaggerating what I said and not taking in the full scope of comicsgate's blunders.
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I'm not to blame for Comicsgate's blunders. Since entering this arena in 2019, I haven't followed the trend of funding an entire book upfront. My standard is different: I crowdfund only when a project is 80-90% complete, ensuring honesty and minimizing backer risk.

Comicsgate and indie comics often fuck up by selling a concept, a dream, before having a product. Most non-comic crowdfunds offer a prototype, but comics crowdfunding allows inconsistent AI art or half-baked ideas. I’m cautious about seeking funds because I refuse to be another dreamer.

For example, I worked with a mangaka who vanished for two months without contact. After canceling, he claimed illness. Despite giving him a year, I received only 14 manga pages. His unreliability prevents going for a crowdfund, because I can’t risk missing fulfillment deadlines.

You’re too focused on the million and a half Comicsgate grudges to see that I’m just not able to afford a full-time production team. There are many such cases.
 
Olórin of Hype said:
For example, I worked with a mangaka who vanished for two months without contact. After canceling, he claimed illness. Despite giving him a year, I received only 14 manga pages.
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Please excuse me I dont follow this thread often enough and kinda skip around, I used to watch ya boi zack s videos and I only really followed the drama of zack getting gatekept by that fucker at marvel.

I get EVS has just turned what ever CG is into grifting and nothing gets done.

But how are mangaka/manwa or what ever you call them popular but people say comics are dying.

Also I really respect your buisness sense in that you want to have something to sell before you do a campaign
 
northstar747 said:
But how are mangaka/manwa or what ever you call them popular but people say comics are dying.
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Manga doing well does not translate to American Superhero comics doing well. Manga sell, DC/Marvel/Whatever does not. It is Detroit all over again. Cheap and gas efficient Asian and European cars sold but since Detroit mainly had expensive, gas- guzzling American cars, the city was destroyed.
 
northstar747 said:
But how are mangaka/manwa or what ever you call them popular but people say comics are dying.
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Incecticyder said:
Manga doing well does not translate to American Superhero comics doing well. Manga sell, DC/Marvel/Whatever does not. It is Detroit all over again. Cheap and gas efficient Asian and European cars sold but since Detroit mainly had expensive, gas- guzzling American cars, the city was destroyed.
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Manga has succeeded globally because it offers a vast range of genres and long-running, consistent narratives, unlike American comics, which are largely dominated by the superhero genre. Western comics are often seen as formulaic, with characters like Batman and Superman reset or rewritten endlessly, losing any lasting continuity. In contrast, characters like Goku from Dragon Ball or Luffy from One Piece maintain a consistent identity, with clear progression across decades. Each manga title offers a unique story, whereas many American comics feel like repetitive “theme park rides,” retreading familiar arcs and villains.

Additionally, American comics suffer from what some now call "agenda fatigue," where readers, especially da kiiiiiiids, feel like they're being lectured to rather than entertained. My best friend put some of her comic collection on her front deck to take to Goodwill, some teen guys saw that and asked if they could take a look. She was surprised when they eagerly picked out old early 90's manga volumes while leaving behind piles of Western comics from the 90's as well, without a second glance. Many in Comicsgate, fail to grasp the changing tastes of the market, clinging to outdated models like reviving 90's comics. This resistance to change, especially from people that only get their industry news from streamers or comic book store regulars, only accelerates their decline, as the manga model proves far more adaptable and appealing to modern readers.

I'm not sure American comics are still dying. I think they're dead. Men, and male youth do not interact with written fiction as much as they did during COVID and even before. Vidya games dominates most of what men engage with for entertainment. Even manga couldn't beat that on it's own home turf and had tgo all digital with Japan's most popular generationally beloved weekly manga magazine. Shonen Jump is mostly digitized now.
 
Olórin of Hype said:
Manga has succeeded globally because it offers a vast range of genres and long-running, consistent narratives, unlike American comics, which are largely dominated by the superhero genre. Western comics are often seen as formulaic, with characters like Batman and Superman reset or rewritten endlessly, losing any lasting continuity. In contrast, characters like Goku from Dragon Ball or Luffy from One Piece maintain a consistent identity, with clear progression across decades. Each manga title offers a unique story, whereas many American comics feel like repetitive “theme park rides,” retreading familiar arcs and villains.
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Basically, I consider the splitting off point to be the mid-50s when the Senate Subcommittee on Juvenile Delinquency, Dr. Frederick Wertham and a bunch of other social pressures came down on US comics like a pile of bricks. Basically, after that EC, probably the most popular comics company ended up surviving mainly as MAD magazine. What remained was mainly superhero comics and funny animal comics. This is not to say that the war, science fiction, hardboiled and horror comics that were popular in the early 50s resembled similar titles in manga, just that the US originally had a wide variety of subject matter and superheroes were in the mix but weren't dominant.

After the splitting off point, comics were dominated by superheroes for decades, to the point that superheroes and comic books were often considered synonymous. Even after the comics code finally cracked because it was an outdated relic, superhero comics still dominated. It just meant the Joker could start killing people again (certainly an important step forward, but not salvation).

However, comic books aren't failing because they are about superheroes. I'd say they are failing because there are too many bad stories, too much bad writing and too much bad art. This is not just because of woke bureaucracy, but that is an important element in making enough modern comics unreadable dreck.
 
Olórin of Hype said:
You’re too focused on the million and a half Comicsgate grudges to see that I’m just not able to afford a full-time production team. There are many such cases.
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Just stop being a poor.
Mr Processor said:
However, comic books aren't failing because they are about superheroes. I'd say they are failing because there are too many bad stories, too much bad writing and too much bad art. This is not just because of woke bureaucracy, but that is an important element in making enough modern comics unreadable dreck.
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The Marvel and DC universes have too much material and it's not very accessible. You would have to hunt down comics from the 1940s to start near the beginning. Then every title is connected so you can never stop or feel caught up completely. Hardcover Omnibus and old key back issues are expensive. Stuff maddeningly goes out of print quickly and prices jacked up. Look up Punisher Max TPB prices for example. It's a very convoluted and complicated sell. You would have to spend a lifetime reading and fill a hoarder house to get to the new low quality stories. Or you could pick up at the current issues and need a reference book to know what the fuck is going on.

Manga: Start at Volume One
 
Edgeymcedgename said:
On another note
It's about goddamn time you lazy faggot.
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I shouldn't have peeked in here this month. It would be funnier if an RCM comic just randomly showed up at my house. I don't even remember what he bilked me for on this campaign, but I know it was something because it was during his "boo hoo hoo I fucked up, but now I done right and I'm gonna mostly finish my stuff before the campaigns and stop getting mad at my customers" era. He stuck with that plan for three weeks and then he just made another 40 videos about Brian and got mad at his "Your Viewers Also Watch" list instead.
Olórin of Hype said:
In contrast, characters like Goku from Dragon Ball or Luffy from One Piece maintain a consistent identity, with clear progression across decades.
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I agree with most of your post except this. Dragon Ball is only 40 years old, One Piece not quite 30, and those are old by manga standards. Anime/Hentai/Whatever's strength is that most of it comes to an end after three years, six years, twelve years. They bring the story to a high point and conclude, and then the creators enjoy notoriety for their next project, while old work is easily recommended on its own merits, or maybe considered for a spinoff, just like almost every art form except American comics.
Mr Processor said:
Basically, I consider the splitting off point to be the mid-50s when the Senate Subcommittee on Juvenile Delinquency ... What remained was mainly superhero comics and funny animal comics. This is not to say that the war, science fiction, hardboiled and horror comics that were popular in the early 50s resembled similar titles in manga, just that the US originally had a wide variety of subject matter and superheroes were in the mix but weren't dominant ... After the splitting off point, comics were dominated by superheroes for decades
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Right, and this is how we ended up with an industry centered on the crosshatched pubic girdles of very specific 60-90 year old vigilantes while Japan basically conducts half its civilization through the same medium. Our subject matter wasn't given the chance to grow with our interests. Eventually, in fits and starts, maybe America will grow an industry around the one we're stuck with. There were green shoots in YA 10-15 years ago but that all got swept up in gay/trans promotion.
 
Contemptive Court said:
I shouldn't have peeked in here this month. It would be funnier if an RCM comic just randomly showed up at my house. I don't even remember what he bilked me for on this campaign, but I know it was something because it was during his "boo hoo hoo I fucked up, but now I done right and I'm gonna mostly finish my stuff before the campaigns and stop getting mad at my customers" era. He stuck with that plan for three weeks and then he just made another 40 videos about Brian and got mad at his "Your Viewers Also Watch" list instead.
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I vaguely remember this time, like he'd do a video about how expendables go to hell "isn't getting to you any faster if you complain" then deleted that video and made an apology video afterwards.
 
Fleetwood said:
finished a full 4 year art degree while working on a book- then had another 6 months to print it. The bar is so low in Comicsgate.
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I enrolled & finished a community College associates degree when reignbro the brute was launched, I was a junior in high school when comicsgate was formed. It took like bloodhoney from ending junior year to a me graduating to come out. It took a whole presidential term for rekt planet to barely get into backers hands. By the time Red extermination comes out I'll probably graduated uni for a masters.

dukejinsen22 said:
Should have refunded me, ya crook
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I can't imagine this being the first or last email they sent to backers during the past 8 years.
 
WhimsicalTrolli said:
I enrolled & finished a community College associates degree when reignbro the brute was launched, I was a junior in high school when comicsgate was formed. It took like bloodhoney from ending junior year to a me graduating to come out. It took a whole presidential term for rekt planet to barely get into backers hands. By the time Red extermination comes out I'll probably graduated uni for a masters.


I can't imagine this being the first or last email they sent to backers during the past 8 years.
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I cc’d the California Attorney General’s Office on the matter and received a response from their Complaint Intake Division confirming receipt.
 
Ya Boi Retard has posted a positive review of Superman by James Gunn. For movies, he is a reverse critic - hating good movies and loving trash. This is a bad sign.
 
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