#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Rupin]

This is legitimately surprising. A CG project (an extremely masturbatory one, no less) that launched on Ethan's channel four days ago with a measly goal of $5,000 has still yet to be funded. I guess there really is minimal demand for this sort of thing. As others have noted, there's nothing you're really going to get in here that you couldn't find for free and in great abundance on YouTube. So this is really just a collector's item for those nostalgic for Wizard. Maybe the jam cover that Ethan mentioned will boost sales, because Donal's cover truly is dogshit.

ROK!T

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no one in their right mind wants that garbage.

 

[Captain Manning]

This is legitimately surprising. A CG project (an extremely masturbatory one, no less) that launched on Ethan's channel four days ago with a measly goal of $5,000 has still yet to be funded. I guess there really is minimal demand for this sort of thing. As others have noted, there's nothing you're really going to get in here that you couldn't find for free and in great abundance on YouTube. So this is really just a collector's item for those nostalgic for Wizard. Maybe the jam cover that Ethan mentioned will boost sales, because Donal's cover truly is dogshit.

ROK!T

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Easy solution to this.

Get the guy who drew DAMEGANG to contribute macrophilia fetish artwork for it. I'll concede Ethan pulled off a bit of a surprise upset on that one. May God have mercy on the human race.

But yeah, as it stands, I am not surprised nobody wants a Comicsgate magazine.

 

[Rupin]

Easy solution to this.

Get the guy who drew DAMEGANG to contribute macrophilia fetish artwork for it. I'll concede Ethan pulled off a bit of a surprise upset on that one. May God have mercy on the human race.

But yeah, as it stands, I am not surprised nobody wants a Comicsgate magazine.

Magazines like that are antiquated and they don’t age well in an age where you can get instant information.

 

[Captain Manning]

Magazines like that are antiquated and they don’t age well in an age where you can get instant information.

I like collecting old magazines from an era when magazines were relevant. Like, old issues of Nintendo Power (final issue was in 2012, and that was probably pushing it as it is).

But yeah, I don't know why you would do one on most things these days. The primary market for magazines now is old people and middle-aged housewives. Cosmo, Field and Stream, etc. How relevant is that demographic to CG?

 

[ay2kay]

I mean I'd buy a magazine if mister dongs was writing it, have narwhal draw caricature illustrations of everyone.

Magazines like that are antiquated and they don’t age well in an age where you can get instant information.

I don't know man, it's all antiquated until somebody does something cool with the medium and all of the sudden everybody's in on it.

 

[Greed]

I miss those days, they were actually funny back then and Mike getting ragged on was my favorite part of the show.

And there lies the problem. Mike was never going to adapt and embrace the meme, so the thing you're nostalgic for was a fundamentally unstable social arrangement that was never going to last. Don't get me wrong, I'm nostalgic too, but even then I was aware the OG cast was operating on borrowed time.

CG felt so strong back then when they had the lineup you mentioned.

In terms of actual talent involved, one could make the argument that it's much stronger now, despite being far less entertaining.

Now They try to make Shane fill that void where Mike was but, he doesn’t have enough personality and doesn’t know how to give it back the way Mike did.

Shane was never meant to be a fill-in for Mike. Mike was Cartman, Shane is Kenny. And Mike never knew how to give it back. More often than not, his desperate retaliatory attempts would result in him doing more damage to himself than anyone else, and that was what made him so entertaining. Shane appeals to a more subtle style of humor. He's a living embodiment of creeping doubt, existing in perfect antipolarity to the bluster and excess that surrounds him. It's a beautiful thing to witness when you know what to look for.

 

[jspit2.0]

And there lies the problem. Mike was never going to adapt and embrace the meme, so the thing you're nostalgic for was a fundamentally unstable social arrangement that was never going to last. Don't get me wrong, I'm nostalgic too, but even then I was aware the OG cast was operating on borrowed time.

To be fair to Mike and you both, would any of you want to just constantly get shit on while being exposed to blaspheme and pornographic imagery?

It was fun watching people who clearly did not get along be forced to interact.

In terms of actual talent involved, one could make the argument that it's much stronger now, despite being far less entertaining.

It's a show, CG may have better artists, but the show has suffered. Not that it matters.

Shane was never meant to be a fill-in for Mike. Mike was Cartman, Shane is Kenny.

Mike was never as based as Cartman.

I mean I'd buy a magazine if mister dongs was writing it, have narwhal draw caricature illustrations of everyone.

I don't know man, it's all antiquated until somebody does something cool with the medium and all of the sudden everybody's in on it.

I like collecting old magazines from an era when magazines were relevant. Like, old issues of Nintendo Power (final issue was in 2012, and that was probably pushing it as it is).

But yeah, I don't know why you would do one on most things these days. The primary market for magazines now is old people and middle-aged housewives. Cosmo, Field and Stream, etc. How relevant is that demographic to CG?

Magazines like that are antiquated and they don’t age well in an age where you can get instant information.

Rupin gave the answer. Like that. In the 90s, Wizard et al were appealing to a three markets. Speculators, readers, and pros. All three numbered in the hundreds of thousands. Even just one percent of that market buying periodicals was enough to support them.

Comicsgate? At its broadest was maybe ten thousand people.

Then there's the horrible launch, the lackluster content, and the free competition. This was a repurposed Warcampaign club book that expired when that club did.

 

[Captain Manning]

Rupin gave the answer. Like that. In the 90s, Wizard et al were appealing to a three markets. Speculators, readers, and pros. All three numbered in the hundreds of thousands. Even just one percent of that market buying periodicals was enough to support them.

Comicsgate? At its broadest was maybe ten thousand people.

Then there's the horrible launch, the lackluster content, and the free competition. This was a repurposed Warcampaign club book that expired when that club did.

Yes. Other examples abound too.

I would point out here that anime is way more popular than CG (and is also giving US comics in general a run for their money), and yet Newtype USA fell on its ass in 2008.

I already mentioned Nintendo pulling the plug on Nintendo Power about 10 years ago. It's not like Nintendo is dead or dying. It's more like if you want a cheat code for a video game, or information about upcoming releases, you're gonna fire up your web browser and get that shit for free (annoying ads notwithstanding). That magazine started in 1988, when Internet technology was still largely unknown to people.

I think the failure of this is a combination of the market being too small AND the fact that few people want to get their information from paper anymore. Or pay for it. Paper in general is dying as a information source. It's not just fan-centered media either. Mainstream newspaper circulation has been on a steady decline since the mid-2000. Digital is supplanting that market in nearly all respects. Note that I'm talking about paper as an information source. There's still very much a market for paper comics. That's a different subject.

If Comicsgate existed in the late 80s and 90s, this might have worked. Although it still would have eventually died long before the date they tried launching this.

In summary, I'm scratching my head over why they thought a paper magazine was a good idea. They're like several decades too late.

 

[Greed]

Note that I'm talking about paper as an information source. There's still very much a market for paper comics.

Bingo. People nowadays aren't interested in buying a paper book and waiting for it to arrive so that they can learn about other paper books that they can buy and wait for to arrive. That's like bribing a cop $200 to avoid a $100 ticket.
Now consider that anyone invested in CG enough to be aware of this magazine is probably already aware of nearly every active campaign in CG anyway.
And then consider the possibility that this magazine will take so long to reach backers hands that by the time it does most of the information it contains will be incorrect or wildly outdated.

This is probably the single most boomer idea to have come out of comicsgate since ribbitcoin. I'm not surprised the man that came up with it has two motorcycles in his living room.

 

[Mister Dongs]

We can all weigh on why Rokit was a bad idea, but the fact that Frog could only generate a fifth of the support from his customer base for this that Damegang got speaks for itself in terms of commercial appeal. Personally, I feel the growth of the web led to the decline of professional journalism as a whole, or at least as a profession that could afford to employ competent professionals instead of fuckups, retards and wackjobs, and the blame for this largely rests on the consumers who foolishly felt any information was as good as any other and chose to fill their heads with the lowest-cost option. Watching publications like The Comics Journal get phased out and replaced by Newsarama, The Beat and modern-day The Comics Journal was a particularly sharp loss. While I think there could be a fringe market for a Comicsgate magazine (since it's a customer pool of people who already buy print media) as a professionally formatted high level celebration/discussion of the goings on in an underground subculture, a magazine larping as the defunct Wizard to peddle superfluous promotional material of creators for a $25 entry fee is not it.




Speaking of, here's a listing of all active CG campaigns going on at the moment (for free):

1: GODLIKE, a Jack Kirby's Fourth World-meets-Rob Liefield cosmic thriller by Jon Malin is. due to Ya Boi Zack's ruinous fulfillment problems and Frog's multiple projects launched in 2020, is poised to be the largest CG comic of 2021 (but will be lucky to crack the top 10 of comics launched since 2020), boasting a full supplemental by Von Klaus and NINETY FOUR creator Shelby Robertson. This being Malin's debut as both artist and writer on a book, this could be either be a creative failure of an untested writer or a creative success as an undiluted expression of Malin's 90s-infused, extremist aesthetic. Either way, closing in at Graveyard Shift 3's take with the debut issue it's definitely a financial success and reassuring towards this new total creative ownership path of Malin's, as he's clearly lost interest in Graveyard Shift.

2: Inglorious Rex. Following the successful realization and fulfillment of the "gay catbook", as it's affectionately called, Shane Davis decided to make his next project something his fans might actually want to read and that he might actually want to make; a fight comic about heroes that jack into giant grotesque bioborgs to fight in an MMA cage. Passing the year-long campaign for the gay catbook within two months, either the change in making less gay material not meant for little girls in dresses or establishing himself as someone who fulfills on time has appeared to resonate with backers' pocketbooks.

3. Cyberfrog: Bloodhoney Box: A third-fourth-who-knows chance campaign of 2018's Cyberfrog: Bloodhoney by Frog, complete in a Rekt Planet-style collectors' box with some new variant covers. It's still the third largest campaign in CG right now, but what portion of the 1300 backers are new customers Frog has picked up since 2018 vs diehard completionists is a mystery.

4. Wraith of God - The decision of Aaron Lopresti to go from struggling and failing to meet a $10,000 funding goal on Smiller streams for Garbage Man to join Frog's circle of Comicsgate to launch a graphic novel of Western hero fighting vampires, werewolves and other movie monsters has worked out well for him, his nearing in on $100,000 within the active phase passing the CG inaugural campaings of Graham Nolan's Chenoo and Shane Davis' Starlight Cats (the SJWs rallying against him on twitter did a lot to lionize his cause). That said, Lopresti's clear discomfort with the seemier side of Frog's streams is palpable at times, and it's doubtful he'll stick around for the full IGG campaign before retiring to the peaceful climes of the "Brofessionals" circuit.

5. Black and White 2 by long time Comicsgater Art Thibert is notable for a number of reason. For one, its the first project by Thibert to cross the $52,500 barrier that places him in the "short head" of the CG crowdfund economy. For another, it's also got the latest fulfillment of any project currently in Comicsgate, which isn't grounds for enthusiasm. And finally, it also boasts a variant cover by recently blacklisted creator Joe Bennett, who I'm to understand is a colleague of Thibert's from a while back. However the wind of that last bit was taken from Thibert's sails when it was revealed that Bennett will be making two comics under the Arkhaven Comics imprint by Vox Day, a move regarded by SJWs to be "even worse than joining Comicsgate".

6. Jack the Ripper: Vampire Hunter by the creative partnership of Mandy Summers and Peter Gilmore, this looks to be the project where it's Gilmore's turn to choose what the project is - an imaginary world where all those real life women that Jack the Ripper slaughtered were all vampires and Jack the Ripper is actually a hero. Despite, or perhaps because of the profuse amounts of large breasted hookers, murder, and a herefore-unseen resevoir of effort from Gilmore - now freed from having to redo Mandy's Wart the WIzard to draw all the hookermurder he wants - this has turned out to be the most successful venture yet from the duo. Fellow CGUK member "Lucifer Storm" is already developing "Ed Gein: Demon Hunter", hoping to catch some of the momentum from the "real life serial killer being a secret hero fighting the supernatural" thing that I guess is a genre now and overall continuing the proud CG UK tradition of shitposts in comic book form.

7. Arc Athena Vol 1 - The debut indie release of Marvel/DC professional Eric Canete, this hyperstylized, vibrant story about a glossy superhero team that is the face of the powers that be confronting the wetworking dark side of the ruling hegemon also stands out because of the co-collaboration between Iconic Comics and multiple Comicsgate creators involved in its creation (and presumably have been for who knows how long). As with the rest of the Iconic Comics imprint, Arc Athena promises an absolute minimum wait time for a substantial body of work (64 pages) within 3 months of campaign end. Canete claims to have 4 more 64-pages volumes of the series already in the can, which is quite mindblowing by Comicsgate standards. Definitely something to watch if the following campaigns prove to have growth on the level of Kamen America. Or not.

8. USAssassin III: Graveyard Shift by Mark Poulton offers the only crossover between CG properties this side of Mike S Miller's Monster Hunt with his USAssassin superhero team and the Graveyard Shift team, also written by Poulton. As an incentive, it also offers reprints of Graveyard Shift 1 and 2 for those that missed the original campaigns. While Poulton may be emerging as one the most prolific creators in CG (this being his 3rd campaign in 2021 alone), I've never heard anything good said about his work. "Wiggle Wiggle", an Etsy most known for wearing a pink purple ape suit that once jacked off a rainbow dildo for the amusement of his brothers in Warcampaign, who gave rave reviews for Asstro, said "Seadog and Killswitch" was 'the dumbest thing I ever read'. When someone like Wiggle Wiggle tells you something like that, you listen.

9: DEATH DEATH DEATH by Joe Ball - A long time Comicsgater who's distinctive scratchy hyper-rendered art is in Super Harem, the upcoming Bulletmaker by Gat Hanzo, The Lost Pages and The Case of the Littlest Umbrella ashcan, as well as being shortlisted for work on Yellowflash's mythical crowdfunded comic, Ball felt the time was right to launch his own magnum opus, DEATH DEATH DEATH, which is from what I'm able to gather from interviews a sprawling 300+ page epic encompassing Genesis and women breeding with demons and Atlantis and shit and overall being an unhinged psychotic fever dream of Ball's mind he was not quite able to properly express when prodded by Michael Bancroft on his launch stream. However this has proven not to be the case, as while the $13,078 USD it's taken in is above average for most crowdfunded comic campaigns, it is still nowhere near enough to break even on producing a 300 page comic book.

10: The Legend of Sleepy Hollow by Patrick Thomas Parnell is the latest in Parnell's ongoing experiment to see what is the absolute minimum he can get away with delivering to Comicsgaters while still charging a $20-25 price point. Following the 40-page Ultra Star: Hayvard S.A.I.N.T.S 8, The Legend of Sleepy Hollow promises 32 pages of material adapting the public domain short story in comic form.

Or more accurately 16 pages of drawn material and 16 pages of public domain prose. Sitting at $8100, this looks to be a steep dropoff from Parnell's other problems. But will he stop here? Can he sell a comic with 10 pages of original art? 8? I'm at the edge of my seat.

12: ROK!T - 'Nuff Said. This is at the point where news on CG projects struggle to go beyond "teaching lessons" for a clearly dysfunctional understanding of economics

13. Kayas: A Story of Blood & Stone - A comicsgater named Ryan Cardinal wanted to make a western shonen manga like Wonder Island, except not gay. I don't know much about shonen manga, but I thought the trailer looked pretty cool for an amateur production. And making almost as much as Nasser for being some no-name Comicsgater in youtube chats is kinda good, I guess.

14. PROJECT OLYMPUS: THE CRIMSON ORDER - The debut property of the Ironclad Comics imprint about a generic team of superheroes (that bicker) who fight some bad guys. Clocking in at a $25 price point for a 30 page floppy, Ironclad Comics looks to be giving Patrick Thomas Parnell a run for his money and no less than two variant covers, including one by Canaan White. However, given that Ironclad Comics did not think to build a social media presence or build any kind of platform anywhere, his campaign has stalled out at a total of 33 backers. Yet, somewhat miraculous, has managed to fundraise over $100 backers per backer for this incredibly meager effort. This places him above...

15: THE COLOSSALS by Ciderhype of Ciderhype Entertainment. Ciderhype, also known as Thomas Burpee, and sometimes Cindy, has had a very tumultuous and memorable time in his journey from Warcampaigner to Liam Gray's disciple and now presently Etsy emeritus. Cider's thrice-pariah status within the Comicsgate community (and I'm sure many in this thread would argue ongoing association with Testefy) has undoubtedly led to problems getting traction outside the Etsy circuit of platforms like George Peter Gatsis and Alazmat Films. Yet, Cider's passion in wanting to tell this story about superheroine Star Sapphire, encompassing a widespanning vision of a whole superhero universe is undeniable. It also boasts the only video trailer where I'm mentioned in the campaign page.

16: The VeilWalker #1 - This "guy who hunts the supernatural" thriller by some guy I never heard of is another 24-page floppy, which never seem to do well. On the other hand it does offer a $5 digital tier and $8 for a physical copy (more for foil variants), so I can't complain too much.

17. The Devil from Talonflats - The second Western offering from Comicsgate (this one not supernatural), this second work by Forrest Publishing has impressive covers from Preston Acevedo and Canaan White, clocks in at 50 pages with a $10 digital tier. Yet, after a push from Bancroft and a few other smaller channels like Tzvi Lebetkin and Critical Blast, the campaign has not found any real momentum.

18. Shyft Issue 1: New Beginnings - Comicsgate's first gay furry comic (not counting werewolves). It sort of looks like it was drawn by Narwhal if Narwhal understood line weights, lighting, put more effort into his work and was a better colorist. $1439

19. Agent Solo: City Under Siege #3 - I don't know Raymond Leonard is actually Comicsgate or not or if he just figures it's where you go to sell badly drawn 90s comics. Whatever he's doing, he looks like he's having a blast doing it.


lol

20: Dig Two Graves by Jim Tanner - A rare CGer doubledipping into IGG after a Kickstarter campaign, Tanner's low profile no doubt helped him escape the watchful eye of the Malin Militia, ever alert for crowdfund platform deviancy. That aside this gritty modern day revenge thriller has probably the best art of any book in Comicsgate right now - and 84 pages of it to boot - but is another tragic example of a solid work consigned to obscurity due to a lack of consideration for marketing. That's why it's trailing the gay furry comic and whatever the fuck Agent Solo is.

Also you might want to dig two graves for this big boy lmao

21. Coloring the Undead by Rob Shaffer. Rob was a guy who tried to be a Comicsgater but nobody backed his comics so I guess he's trying the same with coloring books? Okay whatever.

22. The Napalm Brothers:by L. Lee Stewart. I think @TheCosmicWarrior could tell us more about this guy since I think they had a falling out over JDA accepting peace with Comicsgate and Lee going to make $751 dollars. I could be thinking of someone else though.

23. Nephilim Squadron Volume 1 by Mel Allen. With a campaign page that resembles an excerpt from timecube.com, Mel can be seen guesting occasionally with DarkGift Comics and Rosetta Allen. However Mel "Hex" Allen did not come up with a distinctive name between "Nephilim Squadron Volume 1" and "Nephilim Squadron Issue 1", which was a pile of background art for a game he made with some bookmarks and cards thrown in there, and this might have scared backers. That said, I can think of nothing better to close this sumup then with Hex Allen's trailer, which I think perfectly captures the essence of lower-tier CG:

So there are your options, fellow kiwis. Choose wisely.

 

[Greed]

23. Nephilim Squadron Volume 1 by Mel Allen. With a campaign page that resembles an excerpt from timecube.com, Mel can be seen guesting occasionally with DarkGift Comics and Rosetta Allen. However Mel "Hex" Allen did not come up with a distinctive name between "Nephilim Squadron Volume 1" and "Nephilim Squadron Issue 1", which was a pile of background art for a game he made with some bookmarks and cards thrown in there, and this might have scared backers. That said, I can think of nothing better to close this sumup then with Hex Allen's trailer, which I think perfectly captures the essence of lower-tier CG:

Yeah that's about what I was expecting. What is it with comicsgate trailers being so consistently terrible? It's like Kyle Ritter made his Starblades trailer and the rest of CG silently agreed to never try to compete with that. You can almost create a template for what a CG trailer should be at this point: a rambling plot summary, obscure namedrops, dated music that's tonally mismatched to the visuals permeated by a tin-can quality voice over that will almost always include one line cringeworthy enough to meme for the duration of the funding campaign.
Has no one in comicsgate seen a trailer since 2003? Is the advertising branch of CG secretly commandeered by Uwe Boll? Editors and voice actors don't cost that much. Step it up, nerds.

 

[Strix454]

Mitch WAS CG when he launched RedRooster. He was on the livestreams and thoroughly in the club.

Then he got what he wanted from "the movement" and distanced himself saying he was never a part of it.

He went beyond that. He eventually said that he was just being polite to people that others found abhorrent. He also went back and deleted nearly all his videos to erase all the evidence of his being involved in CG. He didn't just distance himself from the movement, he threw it under the bus.

And the reason that certain important people don't attack Mitch is that those people knew what Mitch was doing from the start. That was the whole point of Mitch's big CG business meeting in August 2018 in Arkansas.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

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Just awful. WalMart isn’t for comics.

Oh, come now. I foresee a Red Rooster/Pepa Pig crossover that will sell millions. This placement is strategic marketing at its finest.

Seriously, Ollie's does a better job with books, GNs and the (typically baggied) comics they sell than Wal-Mart does. Probably just because store traffic is so much higher at a Wal-Mart, but it is something I've noticed.

 

[Newman's Own]

He went beyond that. He eventually said that he was just being polite to people that others found abhorrent. He also went back and deleted nearly all his videos to erase all the evidence of his being involved in CG. He didn't just distance himself from the movement, he threw it under the bus.

I just find the high contrast between the reactions to Doug T and Mitch B's "betrayals" of ComicsGay shines a light on the sincerity of CG's thought leaders when they rally the retards against a chosen enemy.

Doug T says fuck CG for standing by shrugging while WarCampaign tries to destroy him and he's the great betrayer who committed the cardinal sin of not thanking daddy enough at every opportunity. Clearly a supervillain of Darkseid proportions.

And Mitch, who lied to and fucked over CG backers so he could finance a deal with a mega-corporation, delivered to backers months and months after delivering to his retailer, denied his association with the very people that made it all possible and threw "the movement" under a bus for good measure.

And the response? 'Hey check out what a "gorgeous looking comic" Mitch's latest Walmart offering is!!!!'

I think it's funny when people joke that Mitch got literally cucked by Ethan as much as the next guy but it isn't like Mitch is telling people to check out "gorgeous" Reignbow Brute books after @FROG spit in his face and said he only ever pretended to be friends with him to be polite.

Maybe it's Mitch's pizza recipe...

Good stuff.

 

[Captain Manning]

Mildly amusing happening:

Liam Grey was supposed to do a comics review with OZ last night. OZ apparently stood him up and did it on his own channel. Liam was reduced to e-fapping OZ's stream with a forlorn look on his face. He also insults OZ in the stream title.

Not mind blowing, I know, but worth a slight chuckle.

 

[FROG]

He went beyond that. He eventually said that he was just being polite to people that others found abhorrent. He also went back and deleted nearly all his videos to erase all the evidence of his being involved in CG. He didn't just distance himself from the movement, he threw it under the bus.

And the reason that certain important people don't attack Mitch is that those people knew what Mitch was doing from the start. That was the whole point of Mitch's big CG business meeting in August 2018 in Arkansas.

Wrong.

Look, I was there at the WalMart meetings and was invited to be a part of that whole thing. We knew nothing about distribution, and believed that the reason that Marvel and DC, or other publishers, weren't in Big Box stores was only because of the Diamond exclusive. After a few meetings with WalMart and others, it became clear to me that getting distribution in WalMart and Target was easy. It was just a matter of signing an agreement with the distributor.

The continued wranglings with WalMart resulted in special placement, those cardboard stands, which were probably paid for by Allegiance Arts anyhow. On top of that, as I've said, Allegiance wanted to own everything I created. It didn't seem worth it. So it was a no-go for me and CyberFrog. We opted out.

I had no problem with anything Mitch was doing, because it was assumed that he would use the backers money to get them their books first, and then use the investors money (which was accumulated based on the value assigned to Red Rooster by multiplying it's crowdfunded total by 4) to print the Wal Mart books afterwards. It should have been that simple.

But Mitch didn't finish RED ROOSTER in time to get the backers theirs first, and instead sold pamphlets of the unfinished story at Wal Mart ahead of them, and that was when I was publicly critical of him. It's unforgivable. Can't fix that.

On top of that, yes, Mitch seems to have forgotten who helped him in the first place, ComicsGate, and has distanced himself from us. Not unlike Doug TenNapel, but at least Mitch has been a little less vocal about it. More gayness.

But I've said my piece and I'm moving on. He's got his own problems. Allegiance also employs some friends of mine, and I don't want to seem them suffer for Mitch's stupid mistakes either. As is obvious, he's being punished via his weak crowdfunding totals. The customers have it figured out.

 

[Captain Manning]

But Mitch didn't finish RED ROOSTER in time to get the backers theirs first, and instead sold pamphlets of the unfinished story at Wal Mart ahead of them, and that was when I was publicly critical of him. It's unforgivable. Can't fix that.

This.

I don't know or care what happened in the WalMart meetings, but I don't need to know anything about that to say "fuck Mitch" on the way he cuckolded crowdfunding backers with Red Rooster, and then gave them sloppy seconds (and I'll use that term even if the crowdfunded book was technically "better" than the WalMart one).

Somebody like this...



...who probably just threw the thing in their basket alongside a case of Pabst Blue Ribbon...

...actually got a copy of Red Rooster before people who put up more money because they believed in the product.

It's shameful. Even if, like myself, you don't GAF about RR. Mitch deserves to be pilloried for this alone.

 

[Newman's Own]

On top of that, yes, Mitch seems to have forgotten who helped him in the first place, ComicsGate, and has distanced himself from us. Not unlike Doug TenNapel, but at least Mitch has been a little less vocal about it. More gayness.

Gayness for sure. The only thing gayer would be defending him on the farms and talking about how great his latest Walmart offering is after the way he did "the movement" dirty.

'Akshually Mitch got 20K if you include IGG and look at his pretty books.'

Gayness everywhere.

 

[Captain Manning]

Gayness for sure. The only thing gayer would be defending him on the farms and talking about how great his latest Walmart offering is after the way he did "the movement" dirty.

'Akshually Mitch got 20K if you include IGG and look at his pretty books.'

Gayness everywhere.

In fairness to Ethan, I think an opinion of a product can be distinct from an opinion of the person behind it. In fact, I know it can.

Hell, I think Xenotype looks gorgeous. Shame Liam Gray is an incompetent faggot, printed it backwards. and can't write for shit. But for Liam Gray's involvement, I'd have a copy on my bookshelf next to my copies of Kamen America. #TeamOdy.

I think Ethan has made it very clear he doesn't dig Mitch the man.

I'm glad you're back, by the way. I tried to snipe at @FROG when you were gone for a few days last week, but I'm simply not Jedi-tier like you. Now I can go back to farming negrates from you by suggesting you get a bit too aloggy at times.

 

[Greed]

I don't know or care what happened in the WalMart meetings, but I don't need to know anything about that to say "fuck Mitch" on the way he cuckolded crowdfunding backers with Red Rooster, and then gave them sloppy seconds (and I'll use that term even if the crowdfunded book was technically "better" than the WalMart one).

Don't forget the time Frog spent a solid hour consoling disgruntled Red Rooster backers, then directed them to a concurrent Breitweiser stream for clarification from the man himself, only for Mitch to accuse them of dogpiling him.

On the topic of stores and deals and what not, I have to imagine Barnes & Noble would be the best deal someone in the indie comics/books/graphic novel scene could ever hope for. I'm not sure how common Barnes & Nobles are nation-wide but they're fairly prevalent in my area. It's basically the only place where you will see young people openly displaying an interest in reading. They won't just respect your book, they'll set up an entire display and aggressively promote it to a crowd of potential customers you would otherwise never be able to reach. Certainly an enticing prospect for any up-and-coming comic creator.