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Yeah. You're right. Perhaps I should have laughed at it more.

I just don't have @FROG's YouTube audience. Or, like, any YouTube audience, for that matter.

I'll try to laugh harder at thinly veiled fetish comics in the future.

Maybe.
you never will either!

but I welcome your sperging and reading of "talking points" anytime!
 
Well this was much easier to capture than the Wordnerd thing. Wonder where this will go.
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Shit, he really went full "nice guy" on her. Dude tagged just about every CG pro he could possibly think of. I wonder if he's aware that almost every person on that list will automatically defend Anna against any accusation.
Let's look at the responses:
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God forbid Liam passes up an opportunity to self aggrandize.
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Looks like the WC remnants are weighing in.
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Responses range from vaguely sympathetic to mildly suspicious. There's no way this could actually be about some sort of perceived unrequited emotional investment on the part of MarksmaneBullseye...right?
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This guy more or less sums up my thoughts on the situation.
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As this very special Poz Show continues afoot, another episode of the interminable JACK Show grinds on. The campaign status of Anna TSWG's cosplay calendar is checked on for what feels like the thousandth time. Anna and Chrissy Mayr talk about what undergarments hide seams the best when wearing spandex while a stoned Dan Fraga (favors have been called to get quality guests like Frog and Fraga on to impress Chrissie Mayr) slurs into the camera. The campaign has jumped up $40 dollars (one $25 calendar + shipping). Only $500 more and Anna will take a shot of alcohol on stream and maybe do or say something funny or interesting. A drunk Cecil is slowly searching his memory for the name of some SNL cast member from years back to show off his encyclopedic knowledge of NYC standup comedians to Mayr. Jim? Jimmy? Jimmy Fallon? No... not jim... kat... kat... Chris Kattan? Frog stares into the monitor, dead to his surrounding panelists. Listlessly he gives a single nod. "yeah yeah" when Cecil decides he must be thinking about Chris Kattan. The topic of conversation drifts towards Witten. Witten wants to start an Onlyfans but she doesn't have a laptop so naturally Comicsgaters, if they have money left over from backing the cosplay calendar, should come together and buy her one. Cecil for one did his part by buying a signed buttplug from Witten, because that's the sort of guy he is. Fraga stares blankly into his lap while Frog looks off at nothing, simultaneously unresponsive to what's going on around him and agitated at the same time.
This might seem like an odd straw to break a camel’s back, but the JACK show was one of several factors that converted me from a dyed-in-the-wool CG supporter to a bemused, cynical observer.

It really shined a light on the fact that at the end of the day, all these virtuous, conservative, right-minded, redpilled, supposedly married, god-fearing, family-unit-promoting, thot-rejecting parasocial surrogate fathers are perfectly happy to instantly devolve into drooling coomer simps who will encourage visibly intoxicated drug addicts to urinate on stream, or advocate for young women to start an onlyfans, or attempt to talk their supposed friends into posing nude for them, often while audible groaning with delight. Behavior that is every bit as ominous and degenerate as the grooming and sexual nepotism they so righteously deride mainstream pros for.

Frog and Fraga's participation in the JACK show is the ultimate example of having your cake and eating it too. They get to engage with the degeneracy, endorse it with their presence, deliver it to their audiences, but as long as they can be seen making disapproving facial expressions, their hands are clean.

But don’t worry guys, this is all a joke among friends. We just think all this stuff is really funny. All of these borderline homeless, mentally ill, substance addicted women are our friends! Nothing but lols here folks.
 
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It really shined a light on the fact that at the end of the day, all these virtuous, conservative, right-minded, redpilled, supposedly married, god-fearing, family-unit-promoting, thot-rejecting parasocial surrogate fathers are perfectly happy to instantly devolve into drooling coomer simps who will encourage visibly intoxicated drug addicts to urinate on stream, or advocate for young women to start an onlyfans, or attempt to talk their supposed friends into posing nude for them, often while audible groaning with delight. Behavior that is every bit as ominous and degenerate as the grooming and sexual nepotism they so righteously deride mainstream pros for.
You're not wrong, but I feel compelled to point out that the same thing can be said for "right wing YouTube" in general.

Many charlitans. Much kabuki theater. It's more grift than serious political or social movement. CG didn't invent this, but it follows a familiar script. Basically the GG script.
 
You're not wrong, but I feel compelled to point out that the same thing can be said for "right wing YouTube" in general.

Many charlitans. Much kabuki theater. It's more grift than serious political or social movement. CG didn't invent this, but it follows a familiar script. Basically the GG script.
It just goes to show that no matter how convicted and principled someone presents themselves to be, people at the head of these movements are almost always at the bottom of the social ladder in real life. When you put people like that in room with a girl, they're gonna simp. This wouldn't be such an issue if these groups were populated by healthy, genuine, successful people, but alas, those people don't tend to spend thousands of hours of their lives entrenched in social movements.
It just bothers the hell out of me when Frog preaches about how everyone needs to get married and have kids, whilst platforming Witten, a living advertisement for celibacy and MGTOW.
 
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It really shined a light on the fact that at the end of the day, all these virtuous, conservative, right-minded, redpilled, supposedly married, god-fearing, family-unit-promoting, thot-rejecting parasocial surrogate fathers are perfectly happy to instantly devolve into drooling coomer simps who will encourage visibly intoxicated drug addicts to urinate on stream, or advocate for young women to start an onlyfans, or attempt to talk their supposed friends into posing nude for them, often while audible groaning with delight.
Who says chivalry is dead!
 
It just bothers the hell out of me when Frog preaches about how everyone needs to get married and have kids, whilst platforming Witten, a living advertisement for celibacy and MGTOW.
Yeah, welcome to the modern online culture wars. Also know as kabuki theater. Riches may await you if you're prepared to sell your soul and offer your audience bread and circuses.

The issue Frog is facing is that his followers probably want Witten. If this were a legit social movement, with actual values, he should tell them to fuck off. But because I think all of this is treated as more of a business, getting eyes on stream is probably a bigger priority.

The other thing is that I think there's this idea that the way to push back against SJW claims of "oversexualization in media" is to be as crass and skanky as possible. We're not exactly talking about the Christian Coalition here. In fact, in many ways, the roles have reversed from what you saw in Reagan's America.

I mean, as @Mister Dongs just reminded everybody, a good portion of Frog's audience backed a giantess fetish book in order to "own the libs."

In fairness to Frog, I recall he noped out on a stream before that other skank actually started to pee on it. So, there's that, I suppose.
 
The issue Frog is facing is that his followers probably want Witten. If this were a legit social movement, with actual values, he should tell them to fuck off. But because I think all of this is treated as more of a business, getting eyes on stream is probably a bigger priority.
This is absolutely the case. You can easily find CG'ers simping for Nadine as well, telling her they "value her insight" and that she seems like a "fun friend".
These are middle aged men who probably view their own sons as sexual competition, going behind their wives backs to verbally hover-hand a deranged whore on the internet. Then they hop on the "family friendly" programs and preach Christian values. I agree that a legit social movement would reject these women and a business would capitalize on them. The hypocrisy comes from the the fact that CG tries to be both at once.
You know it just occurred to me that Troy Paypiggons is a perfect encapsulation of the kind of hypocrisy I'm talking about. A plastic surgeon, someone who exists at the pinnacle of vanity culture, parasitizing off peoples self-doubts and taking every opportunity to flaunt his ill gotten gains, who then hops on Frog's stream and shames Adam friended for being an atheist.
The other thing is that I think there's this idea that the way to push back against SJW claims of "oversexualization in media" is to be as crass and skanky as possible. We're not exactly talking about the Christian Coalition here. In fact, in many ways, the roles have reversed from what you saw in Reagan's America.
The utter lack of nuance and self-awareness on display with these people is staggering.
"You know how we can fuck with those prude SJW's? By promoting thots and coomer culture! That'll piss off all those people who we dislike for promoting degeneracy."
In fairness to Frog, I recall he noped out on a stream before that other skank actually started to pee on it. So, there's that, I suppose.
Sure, but he'll continue to talk about it on his stream, advertise upcoming episodes of the JACK show on his stream, talk about Nadine on his stream, talk about Witten on his stream, appear on the JACK show within moments of this stuff happening, appear on it again the next week, saturate his main show with references to the JACK show as if it's CG required viewing, and platform all of the people orchestrating this trash on his own show whenever they want.
Frog doesn't get a pass for making a frowny face and knowing when to turn off his camera.
 
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I mean, as @Mister Dongs just reminded everybody, a good portion of Frog's audience backed a giantess fetish book in order to "own the libs."

I'm just pointing out that only because of your posts here, Frog repeatedly endorsed a 86 page comic that actually delivered in under 6 months since launch. Like the giantess fetish Kamen America, if you will. #art #animation #comicsgate #thiccass
 
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I'm just pointing out that only because of your posts here, Frog repeatedly endorsed a 86 page comic that actually delivered in under 6 months since launch.
I wasn't aware I ever claimed that it wouldn't fulfill. On time, or otherwise. Only that I found the concept ridiculous. As did others here.

Hell, it's not a Comicsgate comic, strictly speaking, so of course the odds were more on the side of the fulfillment being competently handled. You know the statistics on this better than I.

So, as you say: Just like Kamen America. 😁
 
I wasn't aware I ever claimed that it wouldn't fulfill. On time, or otherwise. Only that I found the concept ridiculous. As did others here.

Hell, it's not a Comicsgate comic, strictly speaking, so of course the odds were more on the side of the fulfillment being competently handled. You know the statistics on this better than I.

So, as you say: Just like Kamen America. 😁

I'm just being a dick. Being more jaded with comics and Comicsgate in particular than most, the bar is set so low in my eyes that simply delivering what was promised in a timely manner is a big victory in of itself. The goal was to produce "good comics" that could compete with the mainstream and so prevent creators from being blacklisted; "good" is ultimately subjective, but producing a comic is not. The people who backed the giant fetish comic got what they wanted, the people left waiting for years for what they paid for can't really say the same. You find the concept of the comic is ridiculous. I find your taunting Frog about it on KiwiFarms resulting in him endorsing a comic book that actually fulfilled in under six months for what feels like the first time ever even more ridiculous. Damegang 2 or even Damegang 3 might be in backers' sweaty, hairy palms before we see Jon Malin's Godlike or Art Thibert's Black and White 2.


This is absolutely the case. You can easily find CG'ers simping for Nadine as well, telling her they "value her insight" and that she seems like a "fun friend".
These are middle aged men who probably view their own sons as sexual competition, going behind their wives backs to verbally hover-hand a deranged whore on the internet. Then they hop on the "family friendly" programs and preach Christian values. I agree that a legit social movement would reject these women and a business would capitalize on them. The hypocrisy comes from the the fact that CG tries to be both at once.

This always struck me as something that's been around since the beginning of Comicsgate; that it was composed of, in part, a large number of staunch moral conservatives but also a great number of middle aged men who remember things like the Marvel Swimsuit Specials and other such things from the 90s, who rail how cheesecake specialist artists like Frank Cho and J Scott Campbell are now branded as "problematic" by da SJWs. Both found the current state of the comic industry very objectionable and found common ground on that, at least for a time.

Now to me the decline of cheesecake comic art, or "ass ass titty" as Dan Fraga calls it, directly correlates with the ubiquity of free porn on the internet, drawn or otherwise. The days of paying top dollar to hold a few well placed circles on a piece of paper representing some superheroine tits in a string bikini are over. Unless of course, that is your fetish. As the years have gone on by, with Frog favoring content that leans towards his own shock jock predilections, the boring moral conservatives have moved on and left the weird coomer fetishist holdouts to try and fill both roles with limited success. But as long as this target demo exists, things like Shane Davis' variant cover of some chick's ass, Jon Malin's $25 Visions consisting of swimsuit pin-ups of various CG characters and, of course, DAMEGANG will always have a receptive audience.

Which leads us to, inevitably, the subject of Dan Plegel or "BoobDan" as he normally goes by, and his debut Comicsgate crowdfund, The Goblin Girl, currently out now.




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Now, BoobDan's breast fetish comic is delivered in a way that makes previous efforts like Pirate Queen and Damegang looks subtle and nuanced in comparison, and I'd argue is the ongoing logical conclusion. What's next from here? Manning, will you throw the gauntlet down on The Goblin Girl next? In conclusion, I would like to leave the following thoughts by Comicsgate "#Crackpack" hypeman Darren Waggoner, aka "DWAGG" these days:



 
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I always found it funny that the big thing they railed against modern comics is the 'approved body type' as Yaboi put it, when given the freedom to do their own designs ultimately amounts to... big asses and big titties. These 'approved body types' are just so boring when the characters they are attached to are just as hollow and boring and 'super awesome serious badass types'.

It's literally what they are against but the opposite side of the size spectrum.
 
I'm just being a dick.
I know. I still love you.

I don't blame you in the slightest, either. CG has become extremely boring as of late. <shoots spitwad>

Being more jaded with comics and Comicsgate in particular than most, the bar is set so low in my eyes that simply delivering what was promised in a timely manner is a big victory in of itself.
100%.

And it's so common, it's really not even funny anymore. Like any joke, it wears out its welcome.

I used to think it was because people in CG spent more time on livestreams and Twitter than working on and delivering the product they promised.

However I recall somebody, perhaps yourself, pointing out that Nasser gets into scraps all the time, but somehow manages to display a credible work ethic. Demonstrating that such multitasking is possible.

So I dunno what the fuck their problem is. Only that CG has one that extends to a frightening number of people calling themselves such. Perhaps proper time management is simply a skill lacking in this community, and none of them give a shit.

Manning, will you throw the gauntlet down on The Goblin Girl next?
I'd have to see more of it. What you posted doesn't really seem like my aesthetic, but a lot of things aren't, TBH. That doesn't mean much.

I'm also careful to differentiate between "cheesecake" and "fetish." I still maintain KA is more the former (like the Marvel Swimsuit Specials you just mentioned), while DAMEGANG is the latter.

Is a goblin fetish more less common than macrophilla? I'm almost scared to ask.
 
However I recall somebody, perhaps yourself, pointing out that Nasser gets into scraps all the time, but somehow manages to display a credible work ethic. Demonstrating that such multitasking is possible.
Even with a 8 month head start before he returned to Comicsgate, Nasser is on his way to completing his third crowdfund (Creepsters) before some of these "established professionals" finish their first. Now the fetish comic guys are making them look bad too.

I'd have to see more of it. What you posted doesn't really seem like my aesthetic, but a lot of things aren't, TBH. That doesn't mean much.

I'm also careful to differentiate between "cheesecake" and "fetish." I still maintain KA is more the former (like the Marvel Swimsuit Specials you just mentioned), while DAMEGANG is the latter.

Is a goblin fetish more less common than macrophilla? I'm almost scared to ask.

If your take of that was that goblins were being fetishized and not breasts I don't know what to tell you man, but if you want a closer look I did link the campaign in the post. In any case, the superhero genre and accusations of fetish material have gone hand in hand since the days of Frederick Wertham in 1952 showing Congress panels of Wonder Woman tying up and spanking her defeated enemies. Hell, in what is regularly considered one of the most impactful comics of the past 50 years, Watchmen, has a whole plotline where the protagonist Nite Owl can only achieve an erection when he accepts his superhero fetish. And this bit of commentary on the genre was put out there in 1986.

Okay, what about about Arachna, a Comicsgate title that launched in February and has also fulfilled without issue within 9 months of launch? (lmfao) Would you accept this as an example of catering to a superhero fetish?

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