#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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In any case, the superhero genre and accusations of fetish material have gone hand in hand since the days of Frederick Wertham in 1952 showing Congress panels of Wonder Woman tying up and spanking her defeated enemies.
TBF William Moulton Marston was in fact a fucking weirdo. To the point he's probably the prototype of the feminist male/abuser of woman trope so common today.

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Okay, what about about Arachna, a Comicsgate title that launched in February and has also fulfilled without issue within 9 months of launch? (lmfao) Would you accept this as an example of catering to a superhero fetish?
That was kind of impressive, but if they're only collecting 22k I'm not sure how they're making anything above minimum wage, at best.
 
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I'm just being a dick. Being more jaded with comics and Comicsgate in particular than most, the bar is set so low in my eyes that simply delivering what was promised in a timely manner is a big victory in of itself. The goal was to produce "good comics" that could compete with the mainstream and so prevent creators from being blacklisted; "good" is ultimately subjective, but producing a comic is not. The people who backed the giant fetish comic got what they wanted, the people left waiting for years for what they paid for can't really say the same. You find the concept of the comic is ridiculous. I find your taunting Frog about it on KiwiFarms resulting in him endorsing a comic book that actually fulfilled in under six months for what feels like the first time ever even more ridiculous. Damegang 2 or even Damegang 3 might be in backers' sweaty, hairy palms before we see Jon Malin's Godlike or Art Thibert's Black and White 2.




This always struck me as something that's been around since the beginning of Comicsgate; that it was composed of, in part, a large number of staunch moral conservatives but also a great number of middle aged men who remember things like the Marvel Swimsuit Specials and other such things from the 90s, who rail how cheesecake specialist artists like Frank Cho and J Scott Campbell are now branded as "problematic" by da SJWs. Both found the current state of the comic industry very objectionable and found common ground on that, at least for a time.

Now to me the decline of cheesecake comic art, or "ass ass titty" as Dan Fraga calls it, directly correlates with the ubiquity of free porn on the internet, drawn or otherwise. The days of paying top dollar to hold a few well placed circles on a piece of paper representing some superheroine tits in a string bikini are over. Unless of course, that is your fetish. As the years have gone on by, with Frog favoring content that leans towards his own shock jock predilections, the boring moral conservatives have moved on and left the weird coomer fetishist holdouts to try and fill both roles with limited success. But as long as this target demo exists, things like Shane Davis' variant cover of some chick's ass, Jon Malin's $25 Visions consisting of swimsuit pin-ups of various CG characters and, of course, DAMEGANG will always have a receptive audience.

Which leads us to, inevitably, the subject of Dan Plegel or "BoobDan" as he normally goes by, and his debut Comicsgate crowdfund, The Goblin Girl, currently out now.




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Now, BoobDan's breast fetish comic is delivered in a way that makes previous efforts like Pirate Queen and Damegang looks subtle and nuanced in comparison, and I'd argue is the ongoing logical conclusion. What's next from here? Manning, will you throw the gauntlet down on The Goblin Girl next? In conclusion, I would like to leave the following thoughts by Comicsgate "#Crackpack" hypeman Darren Waggoner, aka "DWAGG" these days:



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unlike Damegang, Goblin Girl looks like it has loads of ultra violence and action to go along with those big boobs. I’m actually looking forward to this comic.
 
Even with a 8 month head start before he returned to Comicsgate, Nasser is on his way to completing his third crowdfund (Creepsters) before some of these "established professionals" finish their first. Now the fetish comic guys are making them look bad too.

Considering the state of modern comics was persistent before Comicsgate, I'm not sure these so called professionals and their experience translates or is necessarily valuable. Especially when that experience was drawing and collecting a pay check.

That doesn't really translate to publishing skills.

If your take of that was that goblins were being fetishized and not breasts I don't know what to tell you man, but if you want a closer look I did link the campaign in the post. In any case, the superhero genre and accusations of fetish material have gone hand in hand since the days of Frederick Wertham in 1952 showing Congress panels of Wonder Woman tying up and spanking her defeated enemies. Hell, in what is regularly considered one of the most impactful comics of the past 50 years, Watchmen, has a whole plotline where the protagonist Nite Owl can only achieve an erection when he accepts his superhero fetish. And this bit of commentary on the genre was put out there in 1986.

Okay, what about about Arachna, a Comicsgate title that launched in February and has also fulfilled without issue within 9 months of launch? (lmfao) Would you accept this as an example of catering to a superhero fetish?

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I'm also careful to differentiate between "cheesecake" and "fetish." I still maintain KA is more the former (like the Marvel Swimsuit Specials you just mentioned), while DAMEGANG is the latter.

Is a goblin fetish more less common than macrophilla? I'm almost scared to ask.

So basically a fetish to you basically falls to commonality and your own tastes? I mean, I'll say it again. I'm with Dave Chapelle. It's all just drugs to me.
 
And it's so common, it's really not even funny anymore. Like any joke, it wears out its welcome.

I used to think it was because people in CG spent more time on livestreams and Twitter than working on and delivering the product they promised.

However I recall somebody, perhaps yourself, pointing out that Nasser gets into scraps all the time, but somehow manages to display a credible work ethic. Demonstrating that such multitasking is possible.

So I dunno what the fuck their problem is. Only that CG has one that extends to a frightening number of people calling themselves such. Perhaps proper time management is simply a skill lacking in this community, and none of them give a shit.
Nasser is young, no wife, no kids, lives with parents, is probably autistic and goes into fights as a publicity stunt to get attention to his projects.
He has both time and drive. The rest of CG are genXers and don't have as much time and/or autism

This might seem like an odd straw to break a camel’s back, but the JACK show was one of several factors that converted me from a dyed-in-the-wool CG supporter to a bemused, cynical observer.

It really shined a light on the fact that at the end of the day, all these virtuous, conservative, right-minded, redpilled, supposedly married, god-fearing, family-unit-promoting, thot-rejecting parasocial surrogate fathers are perfectly happy to instantly devolve into drooling coomer simps who will encourage visibly intoxicated drug addicts to urinate on stream, or advocate for young women to start an onlyfans, or attempt to talk their supposed friends into posing nude for them, often while audible groaning with delight. Behavior that is every bit as ominous and degenerate as the grooming and sexual nepotism they so righteously deride mainstream pros for.

Frog and Fraga's participation in the JACK show is the ultimate example of having your cake and eating it too. They get to engage with the degeneracy, endorse it with their presence, deliver it to their audiences, but as long as they can be seen making disapproving facial expressions, their hands are clean.

But don’t worry guys, this is all a joke among friends. We just think all this stuff is really funny. All of these borderline homeless, mentally ill, substance addicted women are our friends! Nothing but lols here folks.
Dude, the CG Jesus himself has put his dickie in so many ethnic women he has three brown kids from different mothers. You are talking anti-SJW edgelords, not good God Fearing Christian conservatives here. And anti-SJWs are not necessarily republicans, more likely there are 85% of the general population that has yet to catch on.
 
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Nasser is young, no wife, no kids, lives with parents, is probably autistic and goes into fights as a publicity stunt to get attention to his projects.
He has both time and drive. The rest of CG are genXers and don't have as much time and/or autism
Yeah, people ask me how I do it quick. The part of the answer is I have no wife or kids. I have a part time job and live at home. It's a lot easier with all my spare time. Plus since I'm not drawing it, I only have to do the promotion, instead of drawing AND promotion.
 
So basically a fetish to you basically falls to commonality and your own tastes?
Commonality? Yes. Per the dictionary definition. Not mine.
Own tastes? No. I said it didn't seem like my aesthetic simply because of the art style.

A fetish is defined as an ABNORMAL sexual attraction to a particular item, body part, act, etc. Abnormal being the opposite of common.

Despite your repeated efforts to suggest the contrary, I don't think tits and ass count as a fetish, because appreciation for one or both is psychologically baked in to most heterosexual males. T&A has broad appeal, and marketing people the world over are well aware of this.

Per @Mister Dongs, if the emphasis for the Goblin comic is just on the tits, it's probably not a fetish comic.

That said, I haven't looked too closely at it yet. I really have no opinion of it one way or the other. I was simply asking a question as to whether the appeal is in the tits or the goblins. I wasn't suggesting it was the goblins. Only asking.

The big issue with CG, from a business POV, isn't what or how they're sexualizing or fetishizing things. There is a market for most things. Even weird things.

Rather, it's the fact they can't adhere to a schedule to save their lives. I think Dongs and I were lamenting the fact that a relatively obscure giantess fetish comic can manage to fulfill in a shorter time than projects by CG's "heavy hitters."

The guy who made DAMEGANG might be into macrophilla and vore, but I'll be the first one in line to congratulate his superior work ethic. The reward for such work ethic will likely be that DG2 will do better than 1, even if this nascent franchise has a relatively limited audience given its subject matter.

Nasser is young, no wife, no kids, lives with parents, is probably autistic and goes into fights as a publicity stunt to get attention to his projects.
He has both time and drive. The rest of CG are genXers and don't have as much time and/or autism
If that's true, I can't help but point out this autism is of immense benefit to the customer. We should probably be kinder to autism in the context of CG. Maybe kinder to Nasser himself. It seems preferable to whatever malady or issue is affecting most other CG branded creators.
 
Despite your repeated efforts to suggest the contrary, I don't think..

Okay, well I'm going to clear this up right now. I just think it's a little ridiculous to try to define 'coomer' and 'cooming' and what it is/isn't.

Despite your repeated efforts to suggest the contrary, I don't think tits and ass count as a fetish, because appreciation for one or both is psychologically baked in to most heterosexual males. T&A has broad appeal, and marketing people the world over are well aware of this.

If the site wasn't fucked up, I'd insert the big lady from Resident Evil and point out that anything can be mainstreamed or popularized if it touches something.

The big issue with CG, from a business POV, isn't what or how they're sexualizing or fetishizing things. There is a market for most things. Even weird things.

Rather, it's the fact they can't adhere to a schedule to save their lives. I think Dongs and I were lamenting the fact that a relatively obscure giantess fetish comic can manage to fulfill in a shorter time than projects by CG's "heavy hitters."

The guy who made DAMEGANG might be into macrophilla and vore, but I'll be the first one in line to congratulate his superior work ethic. The reward for such work ethic will likely be that DG2 will do better than 1, even if this nascent franchise has a relatively limited audience given its subject matter.

I actually think that's only half the battle. Its death by a thousand cuts. There's the price. Lim's books is cheaper. It ships on time. It's not surrounded by retardation and faggotry. It's more available. I also think it's not as weird, though weirdness itself isn't always a negative. I'm thinking of the weird blue lady from Mass Effect or the Resident Evil bitch whose name I'm blanking on.

Compare something like Cyberfrog and Ethan and company don't have any incentive to expand. They can increase their market share modestly, if at all, while growing money earned per campaign by introducing gimmicks.

Yeah, people ask me how I do it quick. The part of the answer is I have no wife or kids. I have a part time job and live at home. It's a lot easier with all my spare time. Plus since I'm not drawing it, I only have to do the promotion, instead of drawing AND promotion.

I'm calling bullshit. Richard doesn't have a wife, isn't raising a one of his three fucking kids, and unlike you he doesn't work a job. Also, your artists regularly appear on streams.
 
Also, your artists regularly appear on streams.
My artist for Stardust and Trixie has only ever been on 2 streams total. Vic didn't have a channel during Asyl. Jason's streams were all of him drawing Secret Comics Presents. My artist for Creepsters isn't on YouTube at all (Dillard is drawing the Creepsters ashcan and is on YouTube but I wouldn't say that much).
 
A fetish is defined as an ABNORMAL sexual attraction to a particular item, body part, act, etc. Abnormal being the opposite of common.

Despite your repeated efforts to suggest the contrary, I don't think tits and ass count as a fetish, because appreciation for one or both is psychologically baked in to most heterosexual males. T&A has broad appeal, and marketing people the world over are well aware of this.

Right, but "abnormal" in this case is referring to the degree of sexual attraction and fixation (often to the exclusion of normal sexual function), not the subject of the attraction. Liking tits is normal. Liking tits to a degree where you're collecting art and photoshopped images of women hauling grotesque, hyperinflated tits around in a wheelbarrow is abnormal and fetishistic in nature. Similar comparisons can and often are levied against superhero fans, what with there being a brisk market in cosplay-themed pornography, tijuana bibles, and guys willing to pay a $25 premium for things like Visions and Blue Bombshell. Why would anyone pay for this in the face of free alternatives if not to have a fetish catered to?

Kamen America's creator Lim makes his preferences plain, but I'd argue they aren't taken to excess and, like Chris Claremont's run on X-Men (the definitive X-Men), or the majority of Alan Moore's career, this doesn't really impact the assessment of his work.


In minor news,

George Alexopolous (not pictured on thumbnail) went on freshly minted Anti-SJWs comedienne Chrissy Mayr's podcast to cry about being cancelled from Reddit (lol), but half way in gets hijacked by discussing how he was cancelled by Comicsgate.

 
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I struggle to find an appropriate adjective for what role Ethan has settled into. He's got the ability to be a comic pro, but at his pace, even a cover artist like Ross or Bolland would have drawn circles around him between each release. He doesn't even bother with commissions now, right? He grifts for the money, but he also grifts for the lack of deadlines and for the freedom to make up the rules as he goes along. The other pros he's brought in recently might be the shin kick this ragtag gaggle needs to get their gears moving. I like Art Thibert and I can't see him testing everyone's patience like these garbage-tier culture vultures.


Cecilgate when!
 
I struggle to find an appropriate adjective for what role Ethan has settled into. He's got the ability to be a comic pro, but at his pace, even a cover artist like Ross or Bolland would have drawn circles around him between each release. He doesn't even bother with commissions now, right? He grifts for the money, but he also grifts for the lack of deadlines and for the freedom to make up the rules as he goes along. The other pros he's brought in recently might be the shin kick this ragtag gaggle needs to get their gears moving. I like Art Thibert and I can't see him testing everyone's patience like these garbage-tier culture vultures.



Cecilgate when!
I think he may have found enough people who are in the rendering > deadlines camp that he's just leaning into it at this point.
I'm empathetic to his situation to some extent, it's virtually impossible to force a creative endeavor.
But yeah it might be a good idea to permanently remove "_____'s book is late!" from comicsgate's repertoire of criticisms against their adversaries. Something about stones and glass houses.
 
Okay, well I'm going to clear this up right now. I just think it's a little ridiculous to try to define 'coomer' and 'cooming' and what it is/isn't.
You are not necessarily wrong, but I think the issue here was that having gigantic women with normal sized men shoved up their asses caters to a very peculiar and particular demographic. You look at that guy's artwork and you begin to realize he has a very particular "taste." Fetish, if you will. There's the blatant macrophilla, but also hints of vore.

The whole point of discussing DAMEGANG here was to simply laugh at Frog promoting something before he clearly understood the subject matter of what he was promoting, or what the artist seems to emphasize in his work. It wasn't really to make a value judgement over the comic in general.

In the end, @Newman's Own calling him out for it, and @FROG's reply to the same, was some of the funniest shit I've seen in this thread in a long time. Frog was even a good sport about it.

Personally, I could GAF what people fap to, unless it involves children. Macrophilla is hardly the weirdest thing I've seen either.

The bottom line is that in some alternate universe where Frog promotes KA, you simply wouldn't have seen the same reaction.

In the end, I'm actually happy the creator was successful in his campaign. I just wish the commitment he's shown to getting a product out the door would rub off on a lot of other people.

I'm calling bullshit. Richard doesn't have a wife, isn't raising a one of his three fucking kids, and unlike you he doesn't work a job. Also, your artists regularly appear on streams.
All true, but I think Richard either has ADHD, "super autism," or both.

Whatever the case, he doesn't seem to put his nose to the grindstone the same way Nasser does.

I have also suspected for a while that the Wade suit might have messed him up somewhat.

Kamen America's creator Lim makes his preferences plain, but I'd argue they aren't taken to excess and, like Chris Claremont's run on X-Men (the definitive X-Men), or the majority of Alan Moore's career, this doesn't really impact the assessment
It's shapely women fighting in one piece swimwear. I saw shit like that all the time in Marvel comics in the 90s. Only major distinction seems to be that Lim is a weeb and integrated that aesthetic.

I could understand if somebody went "ewww, anime," but I can't see anybody outside of the dangerhair community bitching about skimpy costumes.
 
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All true, but I think Richard either has ADHD, "super autism," or both.

Whatever the case, he doesn't seem to put his nose to the grindstone the same way Nasser does.

I have also suspected for a while that the Wade suit might have messed him up somewhat.
I get the impression YBZ is pretty neurotypical or functioning with ADHD.
In some ways his life in the military has fucked him up, since he lacks the structure of military life and/or college or working inside a corporation following proceedures and also lacks the education for what he is currently doing. Also he has a "smartest person in the room" syndrome together with impostor syndrome that makes him unresponsive to advice and also second guessing himself constantly.
In layman's terms, he is more of a dumb fuck than a sperg or tist.
 
So Nick Rekieta is livestreaming the Rittenhouse trial and currently has 72k viewers right now. Even in sub-only slow mode the chat is flyyyying by. Somehow I caught a glimpse of one that dashed across and it cracked me up. Guess...

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The other pros he's brought in recently might be the shin kick this ragtag gaggle needs to get their gears moving. I like Art Thibert and I can't see him testing everyone's patience like these garbage-tier culture vultures.
The "Comicsgate Kings" show looks to be doing some good as, while serving mostly an oratorical boot camp for a bunch of comic book artists, at least seems to be serving the purpose of re-establishing a connection between the state of mainstream comics and Comicsgate. Railing on against da SJWs is hardly scintillating fare for myself, but if CG streamers are ceding the "disaffected with mainstream comics" audience to more generic reactionary outrage peddlers like the Friday Night Tights bunch and Yellowflash, what and where exactly does that leave Comicsgate? And I can't deny that the more normal content and behavior is getting people who otherwise avoided Frog's circle like Aaron Lopresti (who is certainly finding his voice as an armchair crank), Gabe Eltaeb and Mike Baron (who's inclusion has certainly earned a lot of favor with otherwise disaffected people). Finally, at the very least Frog isn't more interested watching the Poz Show then participating in Comicsgate Kings.

Besides, it's not like anything could go wrong by appealing to both moral conservatives and getting up to degen shit at the same time, right?


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"NOOO I WANTED TO FIGHT THE DEGENERACY NOT JOIN IT. I GOT BLACKLISTED FROM DC COMICS FOR LIFE SO I COULD ALLY MYSELF WITH DRUNKEN PISS STREAMS? NOOOOO"

Big shout out to "darknessviking" at the end who managed to thread the needle of both moralfagging and demanding the uncensored crotch shot of the drunk woman be uploaded to Odysee.
 
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Big shout out to "darknessviking" at the end who managed to thread the needle of both moralfagging and demanding the uncensored crotch shot of the drunk woman be uploaded to Odysee.
"Not cool d00d, you just ruined this poor girls life, you fuck. What sick pervert records this kind of degeneracy...
you should totally put the uncensored version on Odysee, and then link it here for us, you sick dirty person"

we got some level 100 shit right here
 
So Nick Rekieta is livestreaming the Rittenhouse trial and currently has 72k viewers right now.
For reals?

Holy shit. I remember when it was a big fucking deal that he broke 9k ("it's over nine thousand!").

Of course, Rittenhouse > Mignonga if you look at from a standpoint of "mainstream interest." It's all over national news.

Even in sub-only slow mode the chat is flyyyying by. Somehow I caught a glimpse of one that dashed across and it cracked me up. Guess...
Yeah, that seems like a case of being there just because everybody else is. But hey, Anna is allowed to have an interest in current events too. So maybe that's too harsh.
 
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