#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

I dunno. Did he ever say on his stream that he was gonna keep promoting DAMEGANG to spite KF? I mean, he didn't initially, but I'm talking about after we ribbed him about what was in that book. He said/joked as much here.

Truth be told, I think it's very nice that Frog gives other creators a leg up. I suspect Frog is a mostly kind person. I just think maybe he should be a bit more discriminating from here on out, and be careful NOT to do it to spite people. It would give his endorsements more an air of legitimacy.
I think he was joking about the Damegang/KF spite. As antagonistic as this forum can be, I really don't think KF occupies any sort of space in Ethan's "rogues gallery" and certainly not anywhere near Mike S Miller and Edwin Boyette. He's said we often give him good feedback and he engages with us regularly without getting too butthurt. His demeanor here is a large part of why he's not considered an actual lolcow. Spiting KF means nothing, but sticking it to Smiller and Methwin seems like a victory if you're CG. Ethan has used "let's beat Mike" as a rallying cry for several other creator's campaigns and it worked pretty well back when Smiller was the Emmanuel Goldstein of CGs EVS wing.
 
I think he was joking about the Damegang/KF spite. As antagonistic as this forum can be, I really don't think KF occupies any sort of space in Ethan's "rogues gallery" and certainly not anywhere near Mike S Miller and Edwin Boyette. He's said we often give him good feedback and he engages with us regularly without getting too butthurt.
You're probably right. FROG is a generally a very good sport here. You gotta give him that, at least.

However, if anyone is suggesting that FROG knew about the Adam Post grift when he was promoting "his" books, I would submit that there doesn't appear to be any proof of that either. Nor does there appear to be any evidence put forward of an "appearance fee" changing hands.

I generally believe people failing to exercise due diligence happens a lot more often than people being in on a specific grift. DAMEGANG was funny because it's a more mild example of that happening (which is to say, FROG had no idea it was a giantess fetish book when he started shilling it). Thus, I'll go ahead believe FROG when he says he didn't initially comprehend what Adam Post was doing. It seems only fair.
 
I can license my CG Title Generator to Adam Post if he's having trouble with the creativity aspect of comics making!

Who remembers that, my invention? I'm still working on it! Pirate... Wolf. UltraViking. I've got loads of future CG hit titles, the Postmeister just needs to attach some 'big' CG names, and then cha-CHING on IGG! He doesn't even need to make the comic, the little CGers will all just hand over their money to him, based purely on the smell of comic, the scent/aroma of comic coming off the IGG page. Plus he's so well-liked! And such a creative force in comics.

As for YOU on the other hand fatso, I'm afraid I can't say the same for your Incel-o-Vision show, I can't consume such fare I'm afraid, it's too unstimulating for me, even at my lowest ebb. But I must thank you for turning me onto Rick Worley's channel, he's got some great videos! The Woody Allen one in particular was mind-blowing to me. I had only a vague idea of what a creepy monster Mia Farrow was before watching that - now I have a much more vivid idea.

Why don't you efap this? It's great Christmas viewing!

In the same way that the Phoebe Cates father story from Gremlins is a great Christmas story.

(Although she goes a bit Shane Davis in the sequel)

SpitLion, KingEagle, JerkLord. The more cringe high-T the better!

I can't punish myself by sifting through that many Post/Curtis/Wenger streams but I do have the original twitter thread in question.

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Well, Mike can show everyone the way with his latest crowdfund...oh wait.

I think he was joking about the Damegang/KF spite. As antagonistic as this forum can be, I really don't think KF occupies any sort of space in Ethan's "rogues gallery" and certainly not anywhere near Mike S Miller and Edwin Boyette. He's said we often give him good feedback and he engages with us regularly without getting too butthurt. His demeanor here is a large part of why he's not considered an actual lolcow. Spiting KF means nothing, but sticking it to Smiller and Methwin seems like a victory if you're CG. Ethan has used "let's beat Mike" as a rallying cry for several other creator's campaigns and it worked pretty well back when Smiller was the Emmanuel Goldstein of CGs EVS wing.

He did say he'd do it on here, waaayyyy back. I don't think he did more than name drop it on Twitter and a couple of times on his shows.

And antagonistic? Moi? Ce, nest pas le cas. We are good, board of nice peoples.
 
I can't punish myself by sifting through that many Post/Curtis/Wenger streams but I do have the original twitter thread in question.

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Ooof. Aged badly, this did.

I get that Methwin and Miller can be assholes, but when you peal away the layers of this thing, I think CG comes out looking the worst of the two groups.

These replies are cringe.

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But are they the dumbest though?

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You're probably right. FROG is a generally a very good sport here. You gotta give him that, at least.

However, if anyone is suggesting that FROG knew about the Adam Post grift when he was promoting "his" books, I would submit that there doesn't appear to be any proof of that either. Nor does there appear to be any evidence put forward of an "appearance fee" changing hands.

I generally believe people failing to exercise due diligence happens a lot more often than people being in on a specific grift. DAMEGANG was funny because it's a more mild example of that happening (which is to say, FROG had no idea it was a giantess fetish book when he started shilling it). Thus, I'll go ahead believe FROG when he says he didn't initially comprehend what Adam Post was doing. It seems only fair.
For what it's worth, I don't necessarily believe money exchanged hands to get him on the streams and I certainly don't think Ethan knew what Post was doing when he promoted those books. I only posited the payola theory because Charlie's London bought superchats on a scale that forced senpai to notice her and it got her a place on the show and got her book well funded, despite not being very engaging on the streams (I found her pretty annoying if I'm being honest).
Payola seemed to be the only way I could see a guy like Post getting on a platform that big but I'm pretty sure it had more to do with EVS being generous to a small time creator and needing somebody on the streams to play off of. God knows he gave enough space to Micah Curtis, who is a world champion midwit but also actually wrote what he was pushing.
 
For what it's worth, I don't necessarily believe money exchanged hands to get him on the streams and I certainly don't think Ethan knew what Post was doing when he promoted those books. I only posited the payola theory because Charlie's London bought superchats on a scale that forced senpai to notice her and it got her a place on the show and got her book well funded, despite not being very engaging on the streams (I found her pretty annoying if I'm being honest).
Payola seemed to be the only way I could see a guy like Post getting on a platform that big but I'm pretty sure it had more to do with EVS being generous to a small time creator and needing somebody on the streams to play off of. God knows he gave enough space to Micah Curtis, who is a world champion midwit but also actually wrote what he was pushing.
Imagine a parallel universe where Preston the Trust-Funder aggressively super-chatted the Bald One.
 
Looks like Jeff Hicks, Fandom Menace YouTuber host of World Class Bullshitters and creator of terrible self insert comic Stealing Solo has launched another crowd fund. This time he's doing what looks like a Ghostbusters parody and he's calling it Wokebusters. Considering how much Stealing Solo made, the launch day numbers seem kind of low.
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Truth be told, I think it's very nice that Frog gives other creators a leg up. I suspect Frog is a mostly kind person. I just think maybe he should be a bit more discriminating from here on out, and be careful NOT to do it to spite people. It would give his endorsements more an air of legitimacy.
As fun as it is to give Frog shit over misplaced support, like rallying his fanbase to support Adam Post and his questionable "business model" of incompetently printing free webcomics to be sold to Frog's audience at $25 a pop (and it is fun), even the disastrous attempts at Comicsgate philanthropy puts him a step above those who achieved similar success off -gate movements that, when it was time to put actions behind their words, proved to be completely self serving. It's a known risk one runs when putting one's own reputation behind small, unestablished creators. What you're saying is good advice, but it's advice he's already been slowly implementing for the past year with the Comicsgate Kings assemblage of boomer industry vets that, if nothing else, have shown that they can make comics (and also Dan Fraga).





Speaking of sponsorship:


Lightbringer, the Iron Liz/Vic King/DarkGift co-op of ChannelAwesome alumni Linkara's infamously bad webcomic, just had a 40 minute feature on Dick Masterson's show. Between this and two dedicated streams from both Nick Rekeita and Frog spotlighting the project, the last time I've seen all three come together to promote something was when Doug TenNapel was touring for Bigfoot Bill in 2019. That a Vic King project would be the next comic to receive such a bump is something I don't think anyone expected.

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Whether it will reach the humble $5000 crowdfunding goal despite this in many ways unprecedented effort for a small-time CG project though is anyone's guess.






Finally, in other good news:

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Faced with @A nameless trool's framing of the conflict over Perch (if such a thing even exists) with a thesis of "keeping it about the comics" on one side and "retard CG drama" criticism as its antithesis, Hegel's model of dialectical change proved itself once again as Perch achieved true synthesis of these dipolar opposites, taking some time to angrily ree exclusively at everyone he feels is giving him crap at the moment. Not quite 'drama free', not quite going full Liamstream, but somewhere in the middle. As is the Perch Comics way.

Put on blast (all unnamed except for Warren Ellis) are individuals in his comments section posting things he doesn't like, the Marvel editors in his DMs trying to police his comment section, Warren Ellis defenders, Frog for trying to efap a Perch video to dunk on how boring it was only to be foiled when co-panelists Cecil, Malin and Anna were too bored watching Perch to follow along with what he was saying, threatening to use his self-appointed "neutral" position to pee pee on Frog like Witten on a livestream (which sounds like the disingenuous framing of personal opinions and arguments as dialectic conclusions but hey :smug: ), a shout out to Simple Zack and, finally a call for me to fuck off and stop my spreading of retard mind virus; he's just a guy making videos in his car here and he'd really appreciate it if I got off his ass. Fair enough Perch, fair enough.
 
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I dunno. Did he ever say on his stream that he was gonna keep promoting DAMEGANG to spite KF? I mean, he didn't initially, but I'm talking about after we ribbed him about what was in that book. He said/joked as much here.

Truth be told, I think it's very nice that Frog gives other creators a leg up. I suspect Frog is a mostly kind person. I just think maybe he should be a bit more discriminating from here on out, and be careful NOT to do it to spite people. It would give his endorsements more an air of legitimacy.


Lame. Grifting should be shunned by all groups worth a shit. But hey, a lot of people think CG has come more grift that not at this point anyways. I've been drifting into that mindset for a while now myself.

LIKED is past-tense too. That's why I'm wondering maybe FROG didn't correct the record very well for his followers.
EVS is a petty bitch and this is the most cowish thing about him. 90% of the time he comes off either as a normal person or an extravagant stage persona. Then there is that petty, bitchy, vindictive side of his that makes hime the based Gail Simone...

PS: I remember Iron Liz in a livestream with FROG a couple of years ago, she came off as a really cool and level-headed person. For a former CA member.
 
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In this most recent installment in Anna, That Star Wars Girl's series for her 11th-hour-and-59th-minute sure to be thirst quenching 2022 Cosplay Calendar, she unexpectedly decided to cosplay as a character from the upcoming Matrix sequel. In this long awaited 3rd sequel to the only good Matrix film, glitches in the Matrix are denoted by hookers with stupid-sized bolt-on boobs, the rock-hard contents of which shift in off-putting ways to signal to the viewer that something is very wrong here. While watching the reveal, I was reminded of beings from literature, folklore, and religious texts that appear beautiful and alluring to the distant and casual observer but dangerous and rather nasty upon closer inspection.

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Overall another bold move by Anna, who is clearly getting very, very good advice from somewhere on the perennial dilemma facing us all: what to do with all of my under-utilized excess sexuality. The bare feet ("oopsie! Couldn't find purple shoes") was a nice touch sure to please an often under-served and overlooked contingent of the weirdo/simp community as was the mock cockroach-infested cardboard, which she goes to great lengths in the video to explain. But the tl;dr of it is that in response to Shane Davis' drunken JACK Show prompt, she'd be delighted to be fucked by a homeless Henry Cavill in an alley on cockroach infested cardboard (provided no one was watching of course because, you know, that would be classless and gross). So, yeah. This is Anna in her mind about to get fucked, which she'd very much appreciate you all imagining and then liking and subscribing.

Hank, what say you?:

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Looks like Jeff Hicks, Fandom Menace YouTuber host of World Class Bullshitters and creator of terrible self insert comic Stealing Solo has launched another crowd fund. This time he's doing what looks like a Ghostbusters parody and he's calling it Wokebusters. Considering how much Stealing Solo made, the launch day numbers seem kind of low.
Hicks is a mediocre prop comic who mistook himself for a satirist. The low ceiling of his humour can be easily reached (but definitely not supported by) an improvised leaning tower of Rose Tico action figures, hastily constructed in a Wal Mart toy aisle.

Once again, he proves that he is incapable of coming up with an idea that isn't, in some way, strongly tethered to an existing brand. I find it ironic that the same man whose schtick consists of ranting against those dark forces, that would seek to drag the cherished names of Star Wars and Ghostbusters through the mud, is only too happy to bury these franchises beneath clods of his own manure.

The exposition-heavy blurb for this project is like something a bewildered Jay or Mike would read off the back of a VHS tape at the beginning of an RLM video. I imagine that the end product will on a similar par, quality and production wise, to a straight to video release. Going on the low initial uptake for Wokebusters, we can assume that the inexplicably large number of backers who supported the 'remaster' (or partial de-shitening) of Stealing Solo have recovered from whatever sunk cost fallacy compelled them to shell out for the same dreadful product twice.
 
Whether it will reach the humble $5000 crowdfunding goal despite this in many ways unprecedented effort for a small-time CG project though is anyone's guess.
You'd think it would. That's hardly a high bar. The combined forces of @FROG, Masterson, and Rekieta would certainly draw enough eyes to it.

Note (for others) that Linkara has a thread here. It's being discussed there now as well.

I gather from reading that thread that some people don't like Vic King's art though.

In this most recent installment in Anna, That Star Wars Girl's series for her 11th-hour-and-59th-minute sure to be thirst quenching 2022 Cosplay Calendar, she unexpectedly decided to cosplay as a character from the upcoming Matrix sequel. In this long awaited 3rd sequel to the only good Matrix film, glitches in the Matrix are denoted by hookers with stupid-sized bolt-on boobs, the rock-hard contents of which shift in off-putting ways to signal to the viewer that something is very wrong here. While watching the reveal, I was reminded of beings from literature, folklore, and religious texts that appear beautiful and alluring to the distant and casual observer but dangerous and rather nasty upon closer inspection.

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Overall another bold move by Anna, who is clearly getting very, very good advice from somewhere on the perennial dilemma facing us all: what to do with all of my under-utilized excess sexuality. The bare feet ("oopsie! Couldn't find purple shoes") was a nice touch sure to please an often under-served and overlooked contingent of the weirdo/simp community as was the mock cockroach-infested cardboard, which she goes to great lengths in the video to explain. But the tl;dr of it is that in response to Shane Davis' drunken JACK Show prompt, she'd be delighted to be fucked by a homeless Henry Cavill in an alley on cockroach infested cardboard (provided no one was watching of course because, you know, that would be classless and gross). So, yeah. This is Anna in her mind about to get fucked, which she'd very much appreciate you all imagining and then liking and subscribing.

Hank, what say you?:

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Oh yeah, I bet her fans want a Zatanna cosplay. Can anybody guess why?

Actually, if she did it, we'd have a set of Zatanna cosplay pics on KF that doesn't depict a hyper-cunt, and it'd probably be less slutty too. So she'd kinda hand herself a bit of a win there.

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Isn't that right, @5t3n0g0ph3r? 🤣

Go Anna! Show Dominique how the "anti-cancel culture side" does it!
 
Looks like Jeff Hicks, Fandom Menace YouTuber host of World Class Bullshitters and creator of terrible self insert comic Stealing Solo has launched another crowd fund. This time he's doing what looks like a Ghostbusters parody and he's calling it Wokebusters. Considering how much Stealing Solo made, the launch day numbers seem kind of low. View attachment 2803348View attachment 2803350View attachment 2803352
It's only added 5 backers in the past 24 hours. I don't see it hitting the $20k goal.
 
It's only added 5 backers in the past 24 hours. I don't see it hitting the $20k goal.
Well it's a good thing it's flexible funding then, otherwise they might actually have to worry about it. Also since I was there I looked at the Stealing Solo IGG page and there are people who still have not received their copies.
 
Well it's a good thing it's flexible funding then, otherwise they might actually have to worry about it. Also since I was there I looked at the Stealing Solo IGG page and there are people who still have not received their copies.
Won't have to worry about it? You think they'll deliver if they don't even raise enough to cover shipping costs much less pay for artists?
 
Won't have to worry about it? You think they'll deliver if they don't even raise enough to cover shipping costs much less pay for artists?
I always found flexible fundings a bit shady, if you need $20K to make and deliver something then ask for $20K. If we go with the bathtub curve of funding tendencies they'll probably get around $8-9K at the end of the campaign. Will they try to make it out of that much, will they pocket the money, or refund everyone?
 
I always found flexible fundings a bit shady, if you need $20K to make and deliver something then ask for $20K. If we go with the bathtub curve of funding tendencies they'll probably get around $8-9K at the end of the campaign. Will they try to make it out of that much, will they pocket the money, or refund everyone?
Depends on whether Frog decides to pump another hanger-on for his own ego's sake or if his remaining viewers will bite on yet another crusade project to own the sjw's. His stream audience has already dropped by about half so I'm not sure what good his promotion will do being as late as he is on his own commitments. Will they stomach backing another loser because Frog told them to?
 
I always found flexible fundings a bit shady, if you need $20K to make and deliver something then ask for $20K. If we go with the bathtub curve of funding tendencies they'll probably get around $8-9K at the end of the campaign. Will they try to make it out of that much, will they pocket the money, or refund everyone?
I agree it's ripe for abuse, but I'm guessing the defense of flexible funding is that KS and IGG are upfront about the fact you're not actually ever guaranteed to receive shit when you pledge money to a campaign.

That said, I am very doubtful Jeff needs $20k for this shit, and he could probably make it work under your 8-9K prediction. Will he? I dunno. It certainly wouldn't look very good if he didn't.
 
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