#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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What I'm saying is guys, let's continue to appreciate and admire the brilliant creative efforts of the wildly popular Adam Post, and the absolute genius Narzack, and Swift-of-our-age Jeff.

But let's also never forget how pathetic and lame and loserish Smiller is!
Just goes to show you that it doesn't matter what sort of tripe you're pumping out (or not pumping out at all), you'll be fine, even exalted, if you don't step on the wrong toes.

Sometimes I catch myself feeling pity for Mike because I think he's a better than adequate artist who should probably have more success but then I remember he's also a stubborn, prideful ass who can't seem to stop tripping over his own dick. Mike's terrible instincts and impulses are second only to Zack's and Zack's instincts are nearly indistinguishable from medical retardation.

This shit is annoying. Zack was constantly talking about how the book was on schedule. Then again, Impossible Stars was finished before the campaign launched and that was still four months late, so I don't know why I'd expect anything else.
It's pretty amazing that nobody seems to have given up on Zack's whole thing. He's definitely not the 2018 underdog comic reviewer Zack everyone was rooting for against the establishment. It doesn't seem like dropping the Waid suit with zero explanation had any real effect on his ability to get money from his audience, nor has his decision to delete videos he now considers "mean", nor his abysmal demeanor towards customers who are tired of his bullshit (mirroring the attitudes of the SJWs he built his brand railing against). In many ways, he has abandoned what brought him to the dance and I have to think the bulk of his audience are just morons at this point.

But hey, we'll get to read "Cancel culture is the REAL Nazis hurrrr" which is what we all want.
 
It's pretty obvious that nothing Zack does at this point will stop his core fans from eating up everything he farts out. You'd figure his habit of launching multiple new campaigns while leaving much older campaigns unfulfilled would eventually cost him, but it hasn't.
That's the main thing. If he delivered his projects anywhere near on time, and people kept buying them then, you could always just say "well, there's no accounting for taste." Especially with respect to the Narzack collabs. A lot of people think Narwhal's art is crap but, like most other artistic endeavors, I'm sure most people unironically like the style. Art is subjective.

What's not subjective is scheduling. Zack is so ADHD, he starts multiple projects at once, and they all end up late, and yet people still keep feeding that beast, and the unfulfilled project list grows longer.

It's a vicious cycle that's seemingly to the detriment of people who back these campaigns.

It's the type of thing that leads one to conclude this is something like a personality cult at this point. Or misplaced belief that Zack is working for some ultimate greater good.
 
Well Zack is starting to do that faux-centrist Perch thing (hurhur I’m so enlightened and above the culture war even though I’m also constantly commenting/contributing to it). That can be a turn off, so maybe he’ll finally be held accountable for his late books and dumbass release habits.
 
That's the main thing. If he delivered his projects anywhere near on time, and people kept buying them then, you could always just say "well, there's no accounting for taste." Especially with respect to the Narzack collabs. A lot of people think Narwhal's art is crap but, like most other artistic endeavors, I'm sure most people unironically like the style. Art is subjective.

What's not subjective is scheduling. Zack is so ADHD, he starts multiple projects at once, and they all end up late, and yet people still keep feeding that beast, and the unfulfilled project list grows longer.

It's a vicious cycle that's seemingly to the detriment of people who back these campaigns.

It's the type of thing that leads one to conclude this is something like a personality cult at this point. Or misplaced belief that Zack is working for some ultimate greater good.
Zack isn't ignorant of the fact that continually launching multiple campaigns while many backers wait for things they paid for over a year ago might be a problem for those backers. Ethan has said he's talked to Zack about this and offered to help him with fulfillment, so we know at least one person Zack claims to respect has brought this issue to him. If I recall correctly, Ethan said Zack even acknowledged that this was a problem and refused any and all offers of assistance. Let's not forget that very shortly after Ethan revealed he'd talked to Zack about him launching these new campaigns while he had unfulfilled projects and announcing that ALL CAPS would be handling Jawbreakers, Zack countered by launching the Knifehand campaign. He should have called the book "Fuck Ethan".
Zack has a tendency to conflate friendly, wise advice with demands or orders and we all know Zack is a bad boy rebel who don't cotton to being told what to do (despite the fact that he fetishizes the military and constantly references his own term of service).

And we have to remember Zack has impulse control problems and lots of his output in the last year or so is meant to be topical, which isn't ideal when you're self publishing/crowdfunding instead of being able to access an actual publisher than can get your book out quickly while the topic is still somewhat fresh. He can't just NOT write about cancel culture or whatever boomer take he has on any given bugaboo that pops up.

To your last point, I think the Zack following is a personality cult that also believes Zack is working for the greater good. He's all but said he's going to be focusing more on these topical, cultural stories rather than the superhero/military adventure stuff people actually want to read because he really does want to change the culture. How he plans on doing this by selling to the same people over and over and pissing them off by not putting his shit out on time is beyond me. I truly believe the guys backing Zack are along for the ride because on some level they still think he's the 2018 Zack they all started following, even though 2018 Zack would puke on his $10 Walmart shoes if he saw what 2021 Zack turned into.
 
Zack isn't ignorant of the fact that continually launching multiple campaigns while many backers wait for things they paid for over a year ago might be a problem for those backers. Ethan has said he's talked to Zack about this and offered to help him with fulfillment, so we know at least one person Zack claims to respect has brought this issue to him. If I recall correctly, Ethan said Zack even acknowledged that this was a problem and refused any and all offers of assistance. Let's not forget that very shortly after Ethan revealed he'd talked to Zack about him launching these new campaigns while he had unfulfilled projects and announcing that ALL CAPS would be handling Jawbreakers, Zack countered by launching the Knifehand campaign. He should have called the book "Fuck Ethan".
Zack has a tendency to conflate friendly, wise advice with demands or orders and we all know Zack is a bad boy rebel who don't cotton to being told what to do (despite the fact that he fetishizes the military and constantly references his own term of service).

And we have to remember Zack has impulse control problems and lots of his output in the last year or so is meant to be topical, which isn't ideal when you're self publishing/crowdfunding instead of being able to access an actual publisher than can get your book out quickly while the topic is still somewhat fresh. He can't just NOT write about cancel culture or whatever boomer take he has on any given bugaboo that pops up.

To your last point, I think the Zack following is a personality cult that also believes Zack is working for the greater good. He's all but said he's going to be focusing more on these topical, cultural stories rather than the superhero/military adventure stuff people actually want to read because he really does want to change the culture. How he plans on doing this by selling to the same people over and over and pissing them off by not putting his shit out on time is beyond me. I truly believe the guys backing Zack are along for the ride because on some level they still think he's the 2018 Zack they all started following, even though 2018 Zack would puke on his $10 Walmart shoes if he saw what 2021 Zack turned into.
What is wrong with him? Like he seems to legitimately want to do badly sometimes.

He missed going on Rogan because he was apartment hunting. Well, you could’ve put that off for a day to go onto a major platform, and control the narrative about you and your message. That might’ve helped with the “12 psychos on Twitter” thing, as well as been good for business.

He comes up with these dumb ideas that don’t have the staying, or product power like Jawbreakers, and puts all this effort into them. Nobody cares about his whining about Covid shit none of us liked, his ugly neon coloring book 499, or his weird army Gem and the Holograms. Ethan even told him to stick with JB, and he just keeps on with everything BUT that. He had the nerve to mock Sean Gordon Murphy (and Plotholes is lame but..), but do worse.

Now he’s catching an attitude about customers wanting to know where their stuff is, when he admitted that’s not the way to handle it. He criticized the 12 Psychos for doing this for years in video.
 
Zack isn't ignorant of the fact that continually launching multiple campaigns while many backers wait for things they paid for over a year ago might be a problem for those backers. Ethan has said he's talked to Zack about this and offered to help him with fulfillment, so we know at least one person Zack claims to respect has brought this issue to him. If I recall correctly, Ethan said Zack even acknowledged that this was a problem and refused any and all offers of assistance. Let's not forget that very shortly after Ethan revealed he'd talked to Zack about him launching these new campaigns while he had unfulfilled projects and announcing that ALL CAPS would be handling Jawbreakers, Zack countered by launching the Knifehand campaign. He should have called the book "Fuck Ethan".
Zack has a tendency to conflate friendly, wise advice with demands or orders and we all know Zack is a bad boy rebel who don't cotton to being told what to do (despite the fact that he fetishizes the military and constantly references his own term of service).

And we have to remember Zack has impulse control problems and lots of his output in the last year or so is meant to be topical, which isn't ideal when you're self publishing/crowdfunding instead of being able to access an actual publisher than can get your book out quickly while the topic is still somewhat fresh. He can't just NOT write about cancel culture or whatever boomer take he has on any given bugaboo that pops up.

To your last point, I think the Zack following is a personality cult that also believes Zack is working for the greater good. He's all but said he's going to be focusing more on these topical, cultural stories rather than the superhero/military adventure stuff people actually want to read because he really does want to change the culture. How he plans on doing this by selling to the same people over and over and pissing them off by not putting his shit out on time is beyond me. I truly believe the guys backing Zack are along for the ride because on some level they still think he's the 2018 Zack they all started following, even though 2018 Zack would puke on his $10 Walmart shoes if he saw what 2021 Zack turned into.
Lol, I thought people ditched Marvel and DC because they DIDN’T want current-year politics in their funny books. Clearly, focusing solely on current-year-minus-one politics will make Zack the millionaire king of Comicslate.
 
Zack isn't ignorant of the fact that continually launching multiple campaigns while many backers wait for things they paid for over a year ago might be a problem for those backers. Ethan has said he's talked to Zack about this and offered to help him with fulfillment, so we know at least one person Zack claims to respect has brought this issue to him. If I recall correctly, Ethan said Zack even acknowledged that this was a problem and refused any and all offers of assistance. Let's not forget that very shortly after Ethan revealed he'd talked to Zack about him launching these new campaigns while he had unfulfilled projects and announcing that ALL CAPS would be handling Jawbreakers, Zack countered by launching the Knifehand campaign. He should have called the book "Fuck Ethan".
Zack has a tendency to conflate friendly, wise advice with demands or orders and we all know Zack is a bad boy rebel who don't cotton to being told what to do (despite the fact that he fetishizes the military and constantly references his own term of service).
I just wanna say to @FROG here. Thank you for trying that.

It didn't work, but you should given props for recognizing Zack has a problem, and making a heartfelt attempt to intervene.

That's the direction CG needs. Assuming giving such advice could or would work on anybody at this point. Not sitting there saying "Nahhhh... everything is fiiiiine" as Zack and others start their umptieth unfulfilled project and make this whole thing look like nothing more than a grift.

What is wrong with him? Like he seems to legitimately want to do badly sometimes.
I don't have it in front of me, but @5t3n0g0ph3r is fond of referencing a passage from Zack's autobiography. In it, Zack seems to state he doesn't know why he succeeds, he just does things, and they miraculously work.

Working backwards from that, Zack probably doesn't understand what leads to failure either.

If Zack were an RPG character, his stat sheet would be totally crap, except for Luck and maybe Charisma. For those one or two stats he would be OP as fuck.

While he's not doing as well as the heyday of CG, I have to confess he's still doing WAY better than he has any right to be.

Case in point, this ridiculous thing exceeded its $10,000 funding goal in less than a day:

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And I'll confess that kinda bothers me on some level because, AFAIK, Vic King has been attached to projects that release on time (or at least nowhere nearly as late), and you'll see results like this for his effort:

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It's a mystery to me.
 
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I don't have it in front of me, but @5t3n0g0ph3r is fond of referencing a passage from his Zack autobiography. In it, Zack seems to state he doesn't know why he succeeds, he just does things, and they miraculously work.

Working backwards from that, Zack probably doesn't understand what leads to failure either.

While he's not doing as well as the heyday of CG, I have to confess he's still doing WAY better than he has any right to be.
Zack's entire thought process is ass backwards and he has almost zero capacity to accurately self-reflect. When his campaigns showed a dramatic drop in funding (which isn't really that much of a surprise when you've done a couple of $200k+ projects), he didn't stop to think that maybe the audience wasn't interested in a comic about Covid, or that perhaps many of them wanted to see the books they paid for before backing yet another Zack thing. Instead, Ya Boi went on YouTube and proclaimed "CROWDFUNDING IS DYING".

He saw Jim Rugg's book and decided to ape the color scheme instead of truly reverse engineering why Rugg took that approach and tailoring it to Narwhal's art or perhaps even waiting to do another project designed for that kind of look, he just decided to change the entire fucking thing to look like a pair of 80s swimming trunks. And this was AFTER the book had been well over halfway funded! People were rightly pissed off, but it didn't matter to Zack because "he just does things". And he succeeded! That shit made almost 100 grand despite many vocally unhappy backers asking for a refund because of his retarded bait and switch.

But you're absolutely correct. Zack doesn't understand what leads to failure because his harebrained bullshit has yet to fail him. He's got a core audience that will shell out $60-90k every time he comes up with some dumb concept. I think the "CROWDFUNDING IS DYING" video is the closest we'll see to him admitting failure because his book not getting six figures was as close as he's come to failing in crowdfunding. And even then he reached the absolute wrong conclusion.

And I'll confess that kinda bothers me on some level because, AFAIK, Vic King has been attached to projects that release on time, and you'll see results like this for his effort:
Yeah, but Vic King didn't parking lot comic review his way into the hearts of thousands of backers either.
As I said before, I believe Zack's success is primarily driven by backer loyalty to a version of himself that no longer exists. Zack's writing is pretty mediocre and I highly doubt people are buying his topical crap because they think he's a great writer, they're just loyal to the YBZ of the old days. Shit, he doesn't even promote his books outside of his channel. He relies on that core audience to move anything and he doesn't seem to be interested in marketing his stuff outside of that sphere. He knows his pigs will come to the trough.
 
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According to the logic of a traditional reductio ad absurdum argument, if the premises of an argument lead to a contradiction, we must conclude that the premises are false

The only answer to Jeff Hick's latest attempt at a comic is that he is living Hegel's Dialectical model :smug:. He's presenting himself as having an argument against the woke. The opposing view, or character in this case he's using to drive the argument is Jessi Milestone. This contradictory process between opposing sides represent the philosophical anti-woke of Jeff, and the opposition in Jessi's feminist abortion advocate "Ree Too" philosophy. It would seem Jeff has set this up to get some steady pussy, but more importantly to go from complaining about the Woke, to producing "Wokebusters" an homage as much as it is a subconscious acknowledgement of Jeff's Algos. He's set this relationship up and indeed it is absurd that these two got together. Jeff seemingly wanting to make a profit talking about his Nostalgia, and Jessi seemingly wanting a wide audience for her "Karen" moments


No of course this isn't exactly Dialetical in that Jeff and Jessi are in a relationship. They don't openly oppose one another. This is another Stroke of Jeff's Gnosis in that the average youtube viewer does not at first glance realize the true nature of the media they are consuming. Jeff's plan is really by design. Without Jessi, he could not have possibly gotten to Wokebusters nor would his audience have come along for the journey.

"He was forced to sulk with his back turned to the camera like a freshly-spanked child while the fella he's with went full #reetoo and basically blew-up any hope he had of remaining above the fray. It's one thing to allow a woman to ruin your life at home. We all have our crosses to bear. But this bear - I mean, cross - utterly derailed his gig with her bullshit."
- @Ike Aim

He was forced to do nothing. He purposely set up the absurd premise of his relationship. Which at its core is the contradictory process in the dialectical model. He's living it.

He now has the platform, and the audience for his absurd existence. He's anti woke, but he's dating the ultimate internet Karen. There's no one better positioned to do a book as one word stupid as Jeff.

Wokebusters

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Jeff's genius is not in his humor, because surely the jokes inside the book will not be very good.
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It's that he got you to look at it in the first place. Most will enjoy it for existing, rather than the experience itself. Jeff isn't really fighting the Anti-SJW war, he's just enjoying his nostalgia through parody.

Special thanks to @Ike Aim who I was attempting to Qoute
 
Yeah, but Vic King didn't parking lot comic review his way into the hearts of thousands of backers either.
As I said before, I believe Zack's success is primarily driven by backer loyalty to a version of himself that no longer exists. Zack's writing is pretty mediocre and I highly doubt people are buying his topical crap because they think he's a great writer, they're just loyal to the YBZ of the old days. Shit, he doesn't even promote his books outside of his channel. He relies on that core audience to move anything and he doesn't seem to be interested in marketing his stuff outside of that sphere. He knows his pigs will come to the trough.
I'll say this...

Some of you probably already know about him, but there was (is?) a guy on the Internet named Spoony (his thread is here), who did a lot of well reviewed work on Youtube over the years. I myself liked him. He ended up making a lot of money and gathered quite a following. Then, one day, he went a bit crazy and his productivity nosedived. People put up with it for a while out of nostalgia for his back catalog, and the memories of how he used to be. He basically took that for granted and spent an inordinate amount of time politisperging on Twitter instead of being productive. However, everybody has a limit to their patience. Last I heard, his Patreon has significantly atrophied, and nearly destitute now.

I could easily see that happening to Zack and a lot of other CGers some day too. It's just a question of how high of tolerance his fanbase has. So far it seems to be pretty high. But high is different than limitless.
 
I don't have it in front of me, but @5t3n0g0ph3r is fond of referencing a passage from Zack's autobiography. In it, Zack seems to state he doesn't know why he succeeds, he just does things, and they miraculously work.

Working backwards from that, Zack probably doesn't understand what leads to failure either.

If Zack were an RPG character, his stat sheet would be totally crap, except for Luck and maybe Charisma. For those one or two stats he would be OP as fuck.

While he's not doing as well as the heyday of CG, I have to confess he's still doing WAY better than he has any right to be.
Zack would probably be something like:
STR: 12
DEX: 10
CON: 8
INT: 15
WIS: 4
CHA: 18

And speaking of Zack, he low-key dished the FNT guys
 
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In this most recent installment in Anna, That Star Wars Girl's series for her 11th-hour-and-59th-minute sure to be thirst quenching 2022 Cosplay Calendar, she unexpectedly decided to cosplay
That's all she ever does?? Like everytime I read something about her it's about her doing another Cosplay & whoring. It seems that there is no reason for her to be involved in CG other than being the designated CG whore. That alone shows how fucking idiotic this "movement" is.
 
Trying to determine if finding this stream to be among the most banal and tedious things I've ever tried to watch says more about how little interest in have in CG these days than it does anything else or if this was in fact just a self-referential circle jerk.


Also, are Piper's teeth as weird as I think they are? Once I noticed them I couldn't look away.
 
Trying to determine if finding this stream to be among the most banal and tedious things I've ever tried to watch says more about how little interest in have in CG these days than it does anything else or if this was in fact just a self-referential circle jerk.


Both things can be true at the same time.

For anyone who cares, the top 50 channels listed on comicsgate.org as self identifying comicsgate channels are:

RankChannelSubs (K)
1YellowFlash313
2Anna209
3Ethan Van Sciver146
4That Umbrella Guy144
5Literature Devil120
6YBZ109
7RGE73
8Adam Friended55
9Clayton Barton44
10Micah Curtis18
11The Fourth Age17.8
12Cecil14.8
13Martina Markota10
14Jon Malin9.23
15Mandy Summers7.59
16Gabe Elteab7.02
17Clint Stoker5.75
18Shane Davis5.48
19Dan Fraga5.08
20Deadwood Dale4.92
21Kelsey Shannon4.81
22Art Thibert3.48
23Jon Del Arroz3.46
24Kenneth Rocafort2.89
25Camel Moon2.84
26Michael Bancroft2.68
27Graham Nolan2.66
28Red Gaze2.63
29Don chin2.1
30Nasser2.03
31Warcampaign1.94
32Kyle Ritter1.69
33Donal1.62
34Aaron Lopresti1.52
35Commi3 Mark1.5
36Narwhal1.49
37Patrick Thomas Parnell1.48
38Adam Post1.47
39Red Valkyrie1.4
40Graded Point 51.31
41Geek Chorus1.24
42Charlies London1.22
43Renie Draws1.14
44Skip1.11
45Joe Catapano1.1
46Andy Smith1.09
47Mark Poulton1.08
48Eric Weathers1.06
49Vinnie Tartamella1.02
50Kueng Lee1

There are people included that I may not have included for different reasons but its not my list. I do like that their inclusion makes the cut off point to break the Top 50 a nice round 1k though. Its kinda pleasing to me at least.

The other part of that show (the influence part) is totally biased self referential circle jerking sure, I was most delighted when the chat elected to exclude the Fandom Menace from the rankings because I knew ahead of time it'd (unfairly) rank me as 18th most influential person in CG when I'm clearly not. I should be way higher lower.

But yeah, thats the sub counts list. Which is mildly interesting reading.
 
Both things can be true at the same time.

For anyone who cares, the top 50 channels listed on comicsgate.org as self identifying comicsgate channels are:

RankChannelSubs (K)
1YellowFlash313
2Anna209
3Ethan Van Sciver146
4That Umbrella Guy144
5Literature Devil120
6YBZ109
7RGE73
8Adam Friended55
9Clayton Barton44
10Micah Curtis18
11The Fourth Age17.8
12Cecil14.8
13Martina Markota10
14Jon Malin9.23
15Mandy Summers7.59
16Gabe Elteab7.02
17Clint Stoker5.75
18Shane Davis5.48
19Dan Fraga5.08
20Deadwood Dale4.92
21Kelsey Shannon4.81
22Art Thibert3.48
23Jon Del Arroz3.46
24Kenneth Rocafort2.89
25Camel Moon2.84
26Michael Bancroft2.68
27Graham Nolan2.66
28Red Gaze2.63
29Don chin2.1
30Nasser2.03
31Warcampaign1.94
32Kyle Ritter1.69
33Donal1.62
34Aaron Lopresti1.52
35Commi3 Mark1.5
36Narwhal1.49
37Patrick Thomas Parnell1.48
38Adam Post1.47
39Red Valkyrie1.4
40Graded Point 51.31
41Geek Chorus1.24
42Charlies London1.22
43Renie Draws1.14
44Skip1.11
45Joe Catapano1.1
46Andy Smith1.09
47Mark Poulton1.08
48Eric Weathers1.06
49Vinnie Tartamella1.02
50Kueng Lee1

There are people included that I may not have included for different reasons but its not my list. I do like that their inclusion makes the cut off point to break the Top 50 a nice round 1k though. Its kinda pleasing to me at least.

The other part of that show (the influence part) is totally biased self referential circle jerking sure, I was most delighted when the chat elected to exclude the Fandom Menace from the rankings because I knew ahead of time it'd (unfairly) rank me as 18th most influential person in CG when I'm clearly not. I should be way higher lower.

But yeah, thats the sub counts list. Which is mildly interesting reading.
Never would have guessed that Micah Curtis' channel is in the CG Top 10. He's got more subscribers than any of EVS' regulars (except for thirst magnet Anna) and twice as many as Jon "Build Your Channel™" Malin. Guess Jon should grab an oar.
 
Never would have guessed that Micah Curtis' channel is in the CG Top 10. He's got more subscribers than any of EVS' regulars (except for thirst magnet Anna) and twice as many as Jon "Build Your Channel™" Malin. Guess Jon should grab an oar.
Micah has almost the same amount of subs as fellow Channel Awesome alumnus @MarzGurl.
And she is a vaccuum of charisma.
If Micah can't surpass @MarzGurl, that's just sad.
 
Kickstarter's comics outreach consultant, Jamila Rowser, has resigned after only a few months on the job.

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KS's blockchain is proof-of-stake, so the standard environmental arguments don't apply. Either she's stupid and hasn't bothered to research this or this is a red herring and there's some other reason she wanted, or was forced to, leave; I'm leaning towards the latter but who knows.

Let's see how many boxes her replacement will check.
 
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