#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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As it's the start of 2022 and we're several years into Comicsgate maybe it's time to reflect on where we are in terms of the Culture War? Are DC and Marvel still infested with SJW propaganda? And if so how bad is it?
 
Orson Raygun said:
As it's the start of 2022 and we're several years into Comicsgate maybe it's time to reflect on where we are in terms of the Culture War? Are DC and Marvel still infested with SJW propaganda? And if so how bad is it?
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Comicsgate as most of us knew it officially died last night when scammers were welcomed back in with open arms. The message was loud an clear, if you scam this audience then just lay low for a year or two and a whole new batch of rubes willing to be grifted will be assembled. Expected delivery deadlines don't mean anything now either so no worries there.

Be sure to sprinkle in a few short livestreams with your feet up by the pool smoking a cigar, or from your front-row seats at this week's pop culture event. The rubes eat that shit up. They paid for it after all.
 
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Kosher Dill said:
Who knows? Nobody actually reads Marvel and DC comics anymore. That rape story only went viral on the internet like a year after it was published, because nobody noticed till then.
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That's one of the things I've never understood about Comicsgate. They say DC and Marvel are overrun with SJW propaganda but don't actually read any on the comics. So how do they know?
 
SaidNoOneEver said:
Comicsgate as most of us knew it officially died last night when scammers were welcomed back in with open arms. The message was loud an clear, if you scam this audience then just lay low for a year or two and a whole new batch of rubes willing to be grifted will be assembled. Expected delivery deadlines don't mean anything now either so no worries there.

Be sure to sprinkle in a few short livestreams with your feet up by the pool smoking a cigar, or from your front-row seats at this week's pop culture event. The rubes eat that shit up. They paid for it after all.
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Comicsgate died years ago. But Gomicsgate is and will remain alive and well. As of now, Norah's saga sits at close to 30 grand with 408 backers!

All those creators in the CGslums that have bled CG and worked hard for months to make less than that in and Mitch Breitweiser through his proxies swoops in on CGKangs and makes that on a 30 dollar trade you could pick up at book outlet for two dollars!

Hail Gomicsgate!

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Thanks @Greed for the new GomicsGate logo!
 
Orson Raygun said:
That's one of the things I've never understood about Comicsgate. They say DC and Marvel are overrun with SJW propaganda but don't actually read any on the comics. So how do they know?
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Kosher Dill said:
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/superman-was-raped.109385/
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The Holmes said:
Some people will read it. Not near many as before the socjus plague ruined it. If it's stupid enough it'll get blasted on Twitter for all to see.
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Homes is right. As others, myself included, have documented before Gomicsgate reached its current nadir; this has actually been a criticism of CG. The answer I've gotten has usually been 'we don't have to read something to know its shit.' To be fair, there's only so many Brian Vissagio, Tom Taylor, et al books you need to read before you can look at panels and comics and declare 'this is shit!'

The disconnect comes with the current crowd at the top of CG. Jon Malin, Frog, Shane Davis, and others who have never, actually, taken the time to do that. They rely on years of criticism from other people, most of whom have an active dislike of these Johnny come latelys. Kelsey Shannon, for example, talked last night about being OG CG from the beginning. But while I remember spergs like Cummings, Earnst, and Richard taking shit for actually criticizing the work produced; I don't remember Kelsey ripping up SJW comics in 2016/17 and calling grown men in wigs men. At most you get the above from this current crop. A single panel, without regard for context.
 
Puddleduck said:
I was wondering about that - landing Chuck Dixon is amazing, I love all of his Batfamily stuff. How did Zack manage it, is Dixon literally hireable for those so inclined or are they friends?
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Chuck does most of his work these days with Vox Day over at http://www.arkhaven.com.

It doesn't get talked about but the site has 4 million views in less than a year.
 
The Holmes said:
Some people will read it. Not near many as before the socjus plague ruined it. If it's stupid enough it'll get blasted on Twitter for all to see.
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SJW plague? This is another problem I have with Comicsgate. DC and Marvel publish over a hundred titles every month featuring hundreds of creators and Comicsgate only brings up a handful of writers and Artists; Gail Simone, Donny Cates, Magdalene Visaggio, Mark Waid, Dan Slott etc... it's seems to be more of a slight irritation than a plague.
 
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Orson Raygun said:
... it's seems to be more of a slight irritation than a plague.
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Social Justice Warriors are not only a plague upon comics but all of Western Civilization.

Some people find it very irritating to see the heroes they grew up with continuously shit on and bastardized.

But at this point in the game most of us realize everything we've ever loved or cherished will eventually be destroyed by Social Justice Warriors and we've moved on from mainstream comics years ago.

Only limp dick soy boys care about that shit and consume it now. Only a matter of time til RiRi Williams eventually makes it into the MCU, and when the movie inevitably flops they can call the fans racist.
 
SaidNoOneEver said:
I'm kind of in shock TBH. I predicted he would let Mitch back in but I didn't think he'd have the nerve to hold an infomercial for them. Are these the Walmart returns? Did Walmart cancel the deal before the full series was released and they're stuck with a warehouse full of stock? So many questions.
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A vital clue to all this I believe was put in the Norah's Saga promotional copy:

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While the word "episodes" has been stupidly used for both the terms 'copies' and 'issues', I think we can safely interpret this to mean that a total of 30,000 copies of the series has been spread out over 6 issues, averaging at 5000 copies per issue. It should be noted that these are the only sales figures Allegiance Arts has publicly released, ever, and it appears for good reason: compared against comics sold through local comic shops, this would place Norah's Saga's Walmart sales ranking in the low 250s which is... not good.

Comichron: September 2021 Comic Book Sales to Comics Shops

Estimated comic book and graphic novel sales to North American comic shops
www.comichron.com

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Put another way, this is less than one monthly copy of Norah's Saga sold per WalMart in the United States.

Another figure to consider is that while 30,000 "episodes" sold at a price point of $4.99 per unit sounds impressive by Comicsgate direct-to-order standards, Allegiance Arts' retail distribution business model incurs additional expenses, as Jim Zub (of Gail Simone's #ComicSchool) laid out in these figures back in 2012:

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All this paints a clear picture of Allegiance Arts being completely fucked. How fucked? Fucked enough to come back to Comicsgate in the hope of some revenue to show their investors even after the Red Rooster debacle and denouncing the group last year.
 
A nameless trool said:
Tom Taylor books are not bad, just woke AF
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I'd....disagree. Not all of them are bad. But the majority? His Marvel books were terrible. His DC stuff is better. But only because he seems to embrace the so bad its good thing. Injustice, Earth 2? Hilariously awful.
 
Orson Raygun said:
SJW plague? This is another problem I have with Comicsgate. DC and Marvel publish over a hundred titles every month featuring hundreds of creators and Comicsgate only brings up a handful of writers and Artists; Gail Simone, Donny Cates, Magdalene Visaggio, Mark Waid, Dan Slott etc... it's seems to be more of a slight irritation than a plague.
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It rots everything it touches. I'm not a hard-core anti swj sperg or a comicsgate fan, I've doxed plenty on both sides across this website. I shouldn't have to explain to you why taking the batman universe and making it some woke high-school bullshit can effect sales. Multiple comic book stores closing down, DC has had multiple layoffs. Marvel may not be hit as bad, and that's most likely due to the large amount of fuck you money made from the movies.

Then you have CG, home of independent creators in which most of them can't seem to get their shit out on time. That's not counting all the gay op bullshit that's been featured up and down this thread.
 
Mister Dongs said:
A vital clue to all this I believe was put in the Norah's Saga promotional copy:

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While the word "episodes" has been stupidly used for both the terms 'copies' and 'issues', I think we can safely interpret this to mean that a total of 30,000 copies of the series has been spread out over 6 issues, averaging at 5000 copies per issue. It should be noted that these are the only sales figures Allegiance Arts has publicly released, ever, and it appears for good reason: compared against comics sold through local comic shops, this would place Norah's Saga's Walmart sales ranking in the low 250s which is... not good.

Comichron: September 2021 Comic Book Sales to Comics Shops

Estimated comic book and graphic novel sales to North American comic shops
www.comichron.com

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Put another way, this is less than one monthly copy of Norah's Saga sold per WalMart in the United States.

Another figure to consider is that while 30,000 "episodes" sold at a price point of $4.99 per unit sounds impressive by Comicsgate direct-to-order standards, Allegiance Arts' retail distribution business model incurs additional expenses, as Jim Zub (of Gail Simone's #ComicSchool) laid out in these figures back in 2012:

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All this paints a clear picture of Allegiance Arts being completely fucked. How fucked? Fucked enough to come back to Comicsgate in the hope of some revenue to show their investors even after the Red Rooster debacle and denouncing the group last year.
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If Frog wanted to help Kelsey he could've just written him a check. Instead he shows his generosity by opening the paypig's wallets to the Breitweisters. Such class.

Kelsey has been MIA for a while too, only showing up when its time to sell something. Does he not have anything original of his own to peddle?
 
Mister Dongs said:
A vital clue to all this I believe was put in the Norah's Saga promotional copy:

View attachment 2860871

While the word "episodes" has been stupidly used for both the terms 'copies' and 'issues', I think we can safely interpret this to mean that a total of 30,000 copies of the series has been spread out over 6 issues, averaging at 5000 copies per issue. It should be noted that these are the only sales figures Allegiance Arts has publicly released, ever, and it appears for good reason: compared against comics sold through local comic shops, this would place Norah's Saga's Walmart sales ranking in the low 250s which is... not good.

Comichron: September 2021 Comic Book Sales to Comics Shops

Estimated comic book and graphic novel sales to North American comic shops
www.comichron.com

View attachment 2861011

Put another way, this is less than one monthly copy of Norah's Saga sold per WalMart in the United States.

Another figure to consider is that while 30,000 "episodes" sold at a price point of $4.99 per unit sounds impressive by Comicsgate direct-to-order standards, Allegiance Arts' retail distribution business model incurs additional expenses, as Jim Zub (of Gail Simone's #ComicSchool) laid out in these figures back in 2012:

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All this paints a clear picture of Allegiance Arts being completely fucked. How fucked? Fucked enough to come back to Comicsgate in the hope of some revenue to show their investors even after the Red Rooster debacle and denouncing the group last year.
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To be slightly more fair, I think your numbers are a bit off since I don't recall seeing books past issue 2 appearing on the shelf, at least in my local Walmart. I did eventually stop looking once it became apparent that new issues were not going to be appearing on a monthly schedule, but I don know that I haven't seen any of the books in any Walmart in some months now. I think what happened is that maybe Allegiance had an initial contract for the books to show up in stores for six months initially, but then they failed to be able to publish new issues for each of those six months.

So if they really sold 30,000 copies, that averages out closer to 15,000 per issue that was actually published, not 5,000.

But perhaps my numbers are off too. If anyone has better evidence that more than two copies of this or other Allegiance series ever made it to shelves, please correct me.
 
jspit2.0 said:
I'd....disagree. Not all of them are bad. But the majority? His Marvel books were terrible. His DC stuff is better. But only because he seems to embrace the so bad its good thing. Injustice, Earth 2? Hilariously awful.
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His Hellblazer was the best thing done with Constantine since 2011. Not that the bar is high to begin with.
 
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