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TheCosmicWarrior said:
I'm launching A High School Girl In The Crusades Kickstarter immediately. It's my hope CG will rally against deplatforming and support CG books.
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If anything could convince ComicsGate backers to break the Kickstarter boycott, it'd be the perception that IndieGoGo screwed over a ComicsGate creator.

However:
1. The vast majority of CG backers have no idea who Liam is and don't care.
2. They also don't know who JDA is, and those who do, probably have a negative opinion of him right now.
3. Explaining any of this to a larger audience would involve showing JDA's (funny) Liam Gray parody material, and that might not go the way JDA wants it to go.
4. CG Creators are largely content and happy at IGG, and don't want to rock the boat AT ALL. Business is pretty good for all CG creators with substantial followings.

Me personally? IGG has been great to me, but 2018 CG drama is irrelevant in 2022. Most of the participants have been cycled out and replaced with fresh blood. Richard C. Meyer is a ghost around here nowadays, and I don't think he cares if anyone boycotts Kickstarter on his behalf or not. And I've always wanted ComicsGate to be able to go wherever we want.

Malin is against putting money in Kickstarter's coffers, as he feels discriminated against in their actions against Zack. But frankly, he wasn't even a factor in those attempts to deplatform Diversity & Comics, and neither was Brett R. Smith, the colorist of JAWBREAKERS LOST SOULS, who is actively using Kickstarter now with the Iconic crew.

ComicsGate customers, the ones that are vocal, seem to be against using Kickstarter too. Would some refuse to back a CG KS project? Would potential new backers offset that?

Who knows? But all of this will be fun to watch.
 
FROG said:
If anything could convince ComicsGate backers to break the Kickstarter boycott, it'd be the perception that IndieGoGo screwed over a ComicsGate creator.

However:
1. The vast majority of CG backers have no idea who Liam is and don't care.
2. They also don't know who JDA is, and those who do, probably have a negative opinion of him right now.
3. Explaining any of this to a larger audience would involve showing JDA's (funny) Liam Gray parody material, and that might not go the way JDA wants it to go.
4. CG Creators are largely content and happy at IGG, and don't want to rock the boat AT ALL. Business is pretty good for all CG creators with substantial followings.

Me personally? IGG has been great to me, but 2018 CG drama is irrelevant in 2022. Most of the participants have been cycled out and replaced with fresh blood. Richard C. Meyer is a ghost around here nowadays, and I don't think he cares if anyone boycotts Kickstarter on his behalf or not. And I've always wanted ComicsGate to be able to go wherever we want.

Malin is against putting money in Kickstarter's coffers, as he feels discriminated against in their actions against Zack. But frankly, he wasn't even a factor in those attempts to deplatform Diversity & Comics, and neither was Brett R. Smith, the colorist of JAWBREAKERS LOST SOULS, who is actively using Kickstarter now with the Iconic crew.

ComicsGate customers, the ones that are vocal, seem to be against using Kickstarter too. Would some refuse to back a CG KS project? Would potential new backers offset that?

Who knows? But all of this will be fun to watch.
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As far as Crusade girl in High School is concerned, I think this campaign has a better chance of succeeding on kickstarter because Quaff is the artist and not somebody that is not well known or not known at all in CG. CGers and people who may not like Jon, seem to like Quaff and his work and want to support him(myself included). Also, they can rally around the Liam Effect like @SaidNoOneEver pointed out.

As far as CG as a whole, I honestly think at this point, its been long enough and there has been so much turn-over and flip-flopping and flopping back, that most of the CG masses wouldnt care about backing a campaign on kickstarter only or backing a campaign that is on IGG and Kickstarter. With the latter option they can choose which to back from. I agree, @FROG dosent need to use both, so why should he, but there are a lot of creators that could possibly benefit from a dual campaign strategy.
 
The Coon said:
As far as Crusade girl in High School is concerned, I think this campaign has a better chance of succeeding on kickstarter because Quaff is the artist and not somebody that is not well known or not known at all in CG. CGers and people who may not like Jon, seem to like Quaff and his work and want to support him(myself included). Also, they can rally around the Liam Effect like @SaidNoOneEver pointed out.

As far as CG as a whole, I honestly think at this point, its been long enough and there has been so much turn-over and flip-flopping and flopping back, that most of the CG masses wouldnt care about backing a campaign on kickstarter only or backing a campaign that is on IGG and Kickstarter. With the latter option they can choose which to back from. I agree, @FROG dosent need to use both, so why should he, but there are a lot of creators that could possibly benefit from a dual campaign strategy.
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I might try Kickstarter this year. Out of curiosity. Would they kick my campaign?

Maybe I'll put a small Frog reprint book up and find out. And if it succeeded, that would pretty much destroy the embargo.
 
FROG said:
If anything could convince ComicsGate backers to break the Kickstarter boycott, it'd be the perception that IndieGoGo screwed over a ComicsGate creator.

However:
1. The vast majority of CG backers have no idea who Liam is and don't care.
2. They also don't know who JDA is, and those who do, probably have a negative opinion of him right now.
3. Explaining any of this to a larger audience would involve showing JDA's (funny) Liam Gray parody material, and that might not go the way JDA wants it to go.
4. CG Creators are largely content and happy at IGG, and don't want to rock the boat AT ALL. Business is pretty good for all CG creators with substantial followings.

Me personally? IGG has been great to me, but 2018 CG drama is irrelevant in 2022. Most of the participants have been cycled out and replaced with fresh blood. Richard C. Meyer is a ghost around here nowadays, and I don't think he cares if anyone boycotts Kickstarter on his behalf or not. And I've always wanted ComicsGate to be able to go wherever we want.

Malin is against putting money in Kickstarter's coffers, as he feels discriminated against in their actions against Zack. But frankly, he wasn't even a factor in those attempts to deplatform Diversity & Comics, and neither was Brett R. Smith, the colorist of JAWBREAKERS LOST SOULS, who is actively using Kickstarter now with the Iconic crew.

ComicsGate customers, the ones that are vocal, seem to be against using Kickstarter too. Would some refuse to back a CG KS project? Would potential new backers offset that?

Who knows? But all of this will be fun to watch.
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I also am making it clear to my people we are not going to do some boycott against IndieGoGo or anything like that. These companies don't care about the small percentage they make off these campaigns, and there is zero reason to hurt Ethan, Fraga, Lopresti, Nolan, or others' businesses. It's just a storefront and the product's what's important for the culture war.

I'll fight IGG legally and will handle this. I've done it before and signaling with boycotts or whatnot doesn't help that fact. It is a bummer that the Earth was salted by Malin with Kickstarter but it is a long time ago and 2018 and before stuff really doesn't matter in the 2022 landscape. I have faith in the comic book customers.
 
Mister Dongs said:
That would imply JDA ever stopped using Kickstarter (this one was a not-so-subtle tweak at Jon Malin's "IGG only" stand against Eric Weathers and Clint Stoker at the time)

Frog as far as I can tell doesn't really care about the Kickstarter boycott personally, having supported Billy Tucci for years, who has been using Kickstarter the entire time without issue as well as actually advertising a KS campaign on twitter recently. But sticking with Indiegogo works far better for his specific situation so there's no real reason to change up his business model or spend the considerable political capital to rehabilitate Kickstarter in the eyes of CG for no perceivable benefit to himself. If someone else can convince CGers to back their shit on Kickstarter? Great. If the customers aren't having it? Also fine.

The real issue isn't Frog or Simple Zack (who I suspect never boycotted Kickstarter himself in the first place) or even Jon Malin, but the rank and file Comicsgate customers; much of early formative CG was spent defining itself by railing against "Cuckstarter" and it's questionable that the well can be unpoisoned at this point. CG creators can start launching their campaigns on Kickstarter all they like but it's anyone's guess if their established customer base will either go with it or just pack their bags and take their business to a different, IGG-exclusive creator. Few seem interested in taking the risk.
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Meanwhile Kickstarter is a labor union breaker, which makes them far more based than IGG
 
FROG said:
I might try Kickstarter this year. Out of curiosity. Would they kick my campaign?

Maybe I'll put a small Frog reprint book up and find out. And if it succeeded, that would pretty much destroy the embargo.
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All you have to do is make a Kickstarter exclusive cover and/or trading card, print, etc. Kinda like you do the channel member cards and the patreon cards. If the completionist wants everything, they will have to back the kickstarter.
 
FROG said:
Richard C. Meyer is a ghost around here nowadays, and I don't think he cares if anyone boycotts Kickstarter on his behalf or not.
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By certain recent videos, I don't get the impression that he cares at all about a kickstarter boycott anymore. It wouldn't surprise me based on the way he is talking if he soon went back to doing campaigns on kickstarter himself.
 
Simply Outplayed said:
Apparently Liam was entitled to do what he did.
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Vikki issued a fatwa a while back that nobody is supposed to make fun of Liam Grey. This is also an "enemy of my enemy is my friend" situation. JDA is near the top of their enemies list at the moment due to JDA violating an earlier fatwa concerning people doing streams with the now long-dead Testefy.
Its tough to take either of them say or do seriously anymore. E-celebrity (even tiny amounts of it with a tiny audience) rots the brain.
 
Strix454 said:
By certain recent videos, I don't get the impression that he cares at all about a kickstarter boycott anymore. It wouldn't surprise me based on the way he is talking if he soon went back to doing campaigns on kickstarter himself.
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Tucci uses kickstarter & so does Nyobi whom recommended I create a campaign there. I drafted up a campaign on kickstarter but haven’t gone live until I have my book finished (95% complete). I want to use it to supplement sales on a finished book in addition to finance alternate photo cover/PG version of my book.

I do not know what the drama is invoking IGG or KS but it seems to have a decent comic book community on there so why not?
 
Strix454 said:
By certain recent videos, I don't get the impression that he cares at all about a kickstarter boycott anymore. It wouldn't surprise me based on the way he is talking if he soon went back to doing campaigns on kickstarter himself.
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I don't know. He seems like an amicable guy who would be quick to forgive, but I recall him talking up IGG's features in his vids, and IIRC he also discussed IGG taking a smaller cut than KS does. And with KS's current comics czar being this lady (Twitter-using comics pros in this thread: has she already blocked you?), I'm not so sure a push by wrongthinkers into the KS marketplace will be successful at all save for maybe a few smaller projects that sneak through the cracks.

Is there anything really wrong with IGG being the place for comics actually intended to be read and leaving the lesbian bike-riding anthologies to KS? JDA's problems are unfortunate but they don't seem to be indicative of a larger movement against CG on IGG.
 
Least Concern said:
Is there anything really wrong with IGG being the place for comics actually intended to be read and leaving the lesbian bike-riding anthologies to KS? JDA's problems are unfortunate but they don't seem to be indicative of a larger movement against CG on IGG.
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Its best to run campaigns on both IMO. There is a set of people who pay attention to comics on KS who don't go looking at whats on IGG for whatever reason and they are open minded about buying. The people who run IGG are no less political than the people who run KS. People should generally want to generate the maximum publicity possible for their books and you do that by being on both platforms. Yeah. Stuff happened in 2018. But that is a long time ago now and if there is money to be made on KS, there is no good reason not to sell there anymore.
 
Least Concern said:
I don't know. He seems like an amicable guy who would be quick to forgive, but I recall him talking up IGG's features in his vids, and IIRC he also discussed IGG taking a smaller cut than KS does. And with KS's current comics czar being this lady (Twitter-using comics pros in this thread: has she already blocked you?), I'm not so sure a push by wrongthinkers into the KS marketplace will be successful at all save for maybe a few smaller projects that sneak through the cracks.

Is there anything really wrong with IGG being the place for comics actually intended to be read and leaving the lesbian bike-riding anthologies to KS? JDA's problems are unfortunate but they don't seem to be indicative of a larger movement against CG on IGG.
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I know for a fact that they aren't indicative of anything against ComicsGate.

JDA has a lot of people spooked, because he's not making it clear enough that this happened to him because in the opinion of Liam Gray, who has successfully convinced IGG, JDA shared Liam's private information on a livestream. In other words, IGG is making it clear that they are STRONGLY against doxxing, especially, but not necessarily only, when it compromises the trust of your actual backers.

JDA accidentally showed Liam's grandmom's address on a livestream. Liam complained, perhaps with some help, and after his prior complaints against JDA's "using his IPs" to promote his own campaigns, IGG probably felt like this was JDA's last straw, and deplatformed him.

So this isn't anything about political animus, and IGG and CG are still doing great business together.

The question is, would this situation make some backers, who disagree that JDA did anything wrong, willing to expand their horizons over to Kickstarter, so CGers who wished to use that platform could expect their support there too?

That's the question.
 
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FROG said:
JDA showed Liam's grandmom's address on a livestream. Liam complained, perhaps with some help, and after his prior complaints against JDA's "using his IPs" to promote his own campaigns, IGG probably felt like this was JDA's last straw, and deplatformed him.
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I wasn't even aware of this. If true are we still blaming Liam? We all know JDA's business plan is to piss off as many people as possible and then try to capitalize on whatever blowback comes from it. We also all know that the JDA/Testefy model is to continually escalate until such an over-the-top reaction is successfully provoked (and then cry victim, for dollars). If Liam kept ignoring these does anyone really believe it would've just stopped? What would've come next?

Yeah Liam is nuts but JDA is just disgusting.
 
SaidNoOneEver said:
I wasn't even aware of this. If true are we still blaming Liam? We all know JDA's business plan is to piss off as many people as possible and then try to capitalize on whatever blowback comes from it. We also all know that the JDA/Testefy model is to continually escalate until such an over-the-top reaction is successfully provoked (and then cry victim, for dollars). If Liam kept ignoring these does anyone really believe it would've just stopped? What would've come next?

Yeah Liam is nuts but JDA is just disgusting.
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JDA says he didn't know. The address was included in a complaint from Liam copied by IGG or YouTube(?) sent to JDA. So he's showing this complaint and he didn't realize he was showing Liam's private info.

DA Talks did the same thing. To himself.
 
Strix454 said:
By certain recent videos, I don't get the impression that he cares at all about a kickstarter boycott anymore. It wouldn't surprise me based on the way he is talking if he soon went back to doing campaigns on kickstarter himself.
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Kickstarter still only allows one campaign at a time and is more stringent than IGG. But for a guy who is the casus belli for a boycott of Kickstarter, "Ya Boi" certainly backs a lot of comics on Kickstarter what with his reviews of BRZRKR, his drawing inspiration from Octobriana 1976 by Ed Piskor to color 499, the drama that unfolded when Joe Glass learned Meyer was backing his books and positively reviewing them, etc.
 
SaidNoOneEver said:
I wasn't even aware of this. If true are we still blaming Liam? We all know JDA's business plan is to piss off as many people as possible and then try to capitalize on whatever blowback comes from it. We also all know that the JDA/Testefy model is to continually escalate until such an over-the-top reaction is successfully provoked (and then cry victim, for dollars). If Liam kept ignoring these does anyone really believe it would've just stopped? What would've come next?

Yeah Liam is nuts but JDA is just disgusting.
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So it was just an accidental doxing of Liam's grandmother during one of JDA's harassment campaigns for weirdo-bux? Alrighty then.
 
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