#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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On CgKings EVS is apparently having a side PM conversation with Zach. EVS said Zach wants something and he said sure, but come into the livestream and say hi and then you can go. It was received about as well as you think. "Not a quid pro quo" was Zach's response.
 
On CgKings EVS is apparently having a side PM conversation with Zach. EVS said Zach wants something and he said sure, but come into the livestream and say hi and then you can go. It was received about as well as you think. "Not a quid pro quo" was Zach's response.
Slap! Ironically he's efapping the Will Smith bitch-slap at the same time pontificateing about how bad it is to be made someone else's bitch...
 
Speaking of, I got the chance to talk to Meyer's all-time biggest simp, Paypiggons, earlier today via his wife's alt he uses. I wanted to know how he felt about Meyer's retirement after the tens of thousands of dollars of GFM donations he gave as well as purchasing tons of original art for da "Comicsgate Museum" .


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This does lend credence to @ProblematicUser420 's theory that this was always Meyer's "plan" and that him deciding to move across the country because of TikTok was merely a dumb story concocted by an idiot.
Still, as you can see, me and paypiggons now have common ground in finding that Zack is a faggot
and with that, the healing can begin

This idea of all being a plan implies Mr. Meyer has enough focus to stick to mid-to-long term planning...

Piggons very well could be the "idea guy" manipulating Richard.

And this one implies that Zack is not exasperatingly contrarian to any suggestions or requests, even on the possibility to make lotsa money.


Yes but "hiring help" in this case means turning over complete creative, logistical and employment control to his unnamed "secret fulfillment company". Chuck Dixon and contracted artists already do the actual creation of comics while Zack's contribution will be... sharing his hot takes on the latest tiktok he saw on his wagie lunchbreak or whatever.

Having Dixon write his plot ideas instead of himself would actually be a sound idea.

Plus, i can see him going full Doug Earnst instead of full FROG. It suits his style of comics and youtube better.

You mean actually acquire a basic sense of plot structure and story development?

I guess I don't see how him doing any of this would be a "favor" to EVS. UNLESS Frog is looking to completely give up on Zack, and wants something to hold up as to why.

The thing is that compared to Frog's EVERY other guest's wit and charm, YBZ is practically Oscar Wilde.
 
Rock and Roll Ninja was such a stupid idea that I have speculated before it had to have come from Troy himself. One of the pictures in his Dox was him with Adam Jones the Guitarist from Tool.
so stupid... it just might work. I don't know who Troy is. I went to Meyers, talked about our appreciation for Larry Hama, and came up with the concept. Then Dixon came in, put some structure to it, and added some cool montages. Will people like it? I don't know. hope so.
SIDENOTE: Somebody sent me a copy of the crusade book... 🥳
 
If Zack goes to Iconic Comics, doesn't this mean that EVS is off the hook for being able to do anything further for Zack?
Well, by all accounts I've read, Zack doesn't seem to want to have much to do with EVS or CG, so if EVS feels like he has to do anything for Zack, that seems to be entirely on him.

Certainly @FROG can correct me if I'm wrong, but I've gotten the impression there really hasn't been much of a friendship between the two for quite a while.
 
Can't really blame zack for quitting. The talking points are dry, no one who is heavily relying on cg are growing (stagnant if not dwindling) it's just a small dedicated fanbase because people don't see the point funding projects that they won't get until the 2024 presidential election and if they do continue funding these campaigns which zack said "you're not always gonna get a book. It's about the process." After he said that there's no way a person who's sane would continue supporting him or any cg creator after that.
 
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Zach made some mistakes, he could have done his dumb experimental topical books, one as an aside, but made Jawbreakers the centerpiece. That IP did have legs. He was better as a critic than a creator and certainly a better critic than a business visionary. Does this mark the end of phase 2 of ComicsGate? It really is just YouTube chitchat/eflap drama and books that never come?
 
Does this mark the end of phase 2 of ComicsGate? It really is just YouTube chitchat/eflap drama and books that never come?
We are past phase 3 of cg, we are in phase 4. Gay lawsuits and a 700k default judgement for a crackhead and a welfare granny. You'd have to be retarded if you are financing cg books, super chats sure, but throwing away a 48 hour paycheck for a book that won't come out until another election cycle?
 
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We are past phase 3 of cf, we are in phase 4. Gay lawsuits and a 700k default judgement by a crackhead and a welfare granny. You'd have to be retarded if you are financing cg books, super chats sure, but throwing away a 48 hour paycheck for a book that won't come out until another election cycle?
Backing a CG book means giving the creator a several-years long interest free loan when (at least for Frog books) you can just wait until it's finished and spend $5 more for it from their eBay store and have it ship immediately. It makes absolutely no sense.

What's with Frog refusing refunds on Cyberfrog2?
 
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What's with Frog refusing refunds on Cyberfrog2?
A few people got refunds from what I saw.

Backing a CG book means giving the creator a several-years long interest free loan
A quarter of the fans used their whole stimulus check on the 2plus year's of the added perks. You could've gotten 75% of the sims 4 dlc catalogue or crypto with the amount of people spend on these books and extra with the perks. there's retards who actually spent 10k....
 
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A few people got refunds from what I saw.


A quarter of the fans used their whole stimulus check on the 2plus year's of the added perks. You could've gotten 75% of the sims 4 doc catalogue or crypto with the amount of people spend on these books and extra with the perks. there's retards who actually spent 10k....
I only went back a month or so but only one person who requested a refund replied to themselves saying just that it had "been resolved".

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It's just staggering that he's raised millions of dollars but can't afford to refund $25-$100 to those asking and just resell that product on his eBay store for the even higher price? This indicates that all the money may be gone and his eBay sales have fallen off a cliff. Where could all of the $$$ have gone? None of this bodes well for the future.
 
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It's just staggering that he's raised millions of dollars but can't afford to refund $25-$100 to those asking and just resell that product on his eBay store for the even higher price? This indicates that all the money may be gone and his eBay sales have fallen off a cliff. Where could all of the $$$ have gone? None of this bodes well for the future.
I don't see how he's making a million next book. A good chunk of the sales of the last two were just multiple buys at the highest level by war campaign and I don't see people wanting to wait 3 years again for a book. I hope next time he actually gets 50 or 75% of the book done before making the campaign. Probably has the capital to do the book itself. Its just the reprinting and stuff outside the book that needs the brunt of the funding.
 
I don't see how he's making a million next book. A good chunk of the sales of the last two were just multiple buys at the highest level by war campaign and I don't see people wanting to wait 3 years again for a book. I hope next time he actually gets 50 or 75% of the book done before making the campaign. Probably has the capital to do the book itself. Its just the reprinting and stuff outside the book that needs the brunt of the funding.
He still has Rainbow Brute and that one hasn't even been started. If he waits until 50-75% of CF3 is drawn before launching that campaign then that would mean no new money coming in until 2024-2025? There won't even be a CG by then. I can't believe how badly he fucked this whole thing up. It's over.
 
He still has Rainbow Brute and that one hasn't even been started. If he waits until 50-75% of CF3 is drawn before launching that campaign then that would mean no new money coming in until 2024-2025? There won't even be a CG by then. I can't believe how badly he fucked this whole thing up. It's over.
He will still have buyers, pay piggies gonna paypiggy but it'll just be the stagnant fanbase. Probably 400k/600k at most? I don't see a million again because at least 30 or 40% of that was war campaign or people buying multiple copies.
 
Re Zack moving back to NYC, I had a thought that I forgot to put in my last post: if I recall correctly, at least one of his kids, the hijabi daughter, lives there. I can totally understand if part of this move is to be able to have a bigger role in his daughter's life as she grows up.

Granted, I would have thought that he was making enough money that moving to NYC and stopping his comics hustle wouldn't have been mutually exclusive, but…
 
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My theory is he has been getting blackpilled on comics for quite some time now. A couple days ago youtube started autoplaying some of his videos from a couple years ago and you can hear how more animated he was.
He is finally reaching a point he realized that he was always after a quixotic dream of fixing an industry that does not want to fix itself and he should go on with his life.

Nah that's not what this is. Meyer talked up a big game for years. That if only the mainstream would listen to his proscriptions from on high, American comics could be saved. People who believed in what he said gave him two million dollars to do things his way and prove what he's saying is the real deal. Meyer then took that money and proceeded to farm out every aspect of his "lifelong dream" to contractors and his incompetent third-party fulfillment agency (Dynamite Comics, btw) while he fucked around in his backyard, taking the behavior he criticized and elevating it to new unprecedented levels. If Dan Slott used a blockbot to get rid of critics on twitter, Meyer would interact with social media one way, refusing all forms of interaction or even interviews in lieu of yelling at twitter screenshots on his youtube channel. If Marvel or DC editorial seemed unaccountable to fans or customers, Meyer wouldn't even disclose the name of the fulfillment agency actually handling their orders. If people felt DC or Marvel were mismanaging their characters and replacing them with unwanted politically charged garbage, Zack would kill off his flagship franchise at issue #3 and put out Impossible Stars and PANdemIC instead. You get the picture.

Whenever any of this way pointed out, or how he was consistently unwilling to practice what he preached, the go to answer was some gay bullshit sob story about how "renfamous gave him PTSD that's why he does this" or whatever. If you think someone like that can do what Doug Ernst has done, I don't know what to tell you.

Faced with the increasingly undeniable sales reality encroaching through his endless baseless boomer blather, that you actually do need to engage with your customers/fans, that customers do expect what they paid for when they were told they would get it, that building a fandom is an unavoidable fact of self-marketing in the 21st century instead of his dumbass "hot dog vendor" theory. That maybe some of his armchair quarterback theorycrafting of the comic book industry might just be wrong and that other people might actually have a better grasp of things than he does, his response was to lock himself up on a hugbox and then simply quit.

Doesn't really seem like a "quixotic hero" to me.

Well, by all accounts I've read, Zack doesn't seem to want to have much to do with EVS or CG, so if EVS feels like he has to do anything for Zack, that seems to be entirely on him.
Publicly, sure. In DMs though it seems to be a different story as @Starscreams Cape noted earlier tonight with more one-way demanding of help without so much as a public acknowledgment. That's why I'd consider it a favor to Frog if Meyer just hopped over to Iconic Comics. It certainly wouldn't be a favor to Iconic Comics.


 
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If you think someone like that can do what Doug Ernst has done, I don't know what to tell you.
I never said "can". I am not that dumb...

And I agree that reality checks smacked him hard in the head and that, at every point, he made a less-than-optimal decision.
In another timeline he would have been on Rogan and Jawbreakers would have been a niche franchise.

Also, managed to watch a part of EVS efap.

1. EVS regulars are cringe. Jon is tryhard edgelord, Cecil can be funny if you listen to him once every three months, Fraga sounds a cool guy, Shane is Shane, that other guy who was also there was there, TUG was thankfully silent all the time.

2. It felt like a wake for a guy they used to know that passed from an STD and everybody was like "remember when they told him not to go bareback on that crackwhore next to that heroin den"?
 
Nah that's not what this is. Meyer talked up a big game for years. That if only the mainstream would listen to his proscriptions from on high, American comics could be saved. People who believed in what he said gave him two million dollars to do things his way and prove what he's saying is the real deal. Meyer then took that money and proceeded to farm out every aspect of his "lifelong dream" to contractors and his incompetent third-party fulfillment agency (Dynamite Comics, btw) while he fucked around in his backyard, taking the behavior he criticized and elevating it to new unprecedented levels. If Dan Slott used a blockbot to get rid of critics on twitter, Meyer would interact with social media one way, refusing all forms of interaction or even interviews in lieu of yelling at twitter screenshots on his youtube channel. If Marvel or DC editorial seemed unaccountable to fans or customers, Meyer wouldn't even disclose the name of the fulfillment agency actually handling their orders. If people felt DC or Marvel were mismanaging their characters and replacing them with unwanted politically charged garbage, Zack would kill off his flagship franchise at issue #3 and put out Impossible Stars and PANdemIC instead. You get the picture.

Whenever any of this way pointed out, or how he was consistently unwilling to practice what he preached, the go to answer was some gay bullshit sob story about how "renfamous gave him PTSD that's why he does this" or whatever. If you think someone like that can do what Doug Ernst has done, I don't know what to tell you.

Faced with the increasingly undeniable sales reality encroaching through his endless baseless boomer blather, that you actually do need to engage with your customers/fans, that customers do expect what they paid for when they were told they would get it, that building a fandom is an unavoidable fact of self-marketing in the 21st century instead of his dumbass "hot dog vendor" theory. That maybe some of his armchair quarterback theorycrafting of the comic book industry might just be wrong and that other people might actually have a better grasp of things than he does, his response was to lock himself up on a hugbox and then simply quit.

Doesn't really seem like a "quixotic hero" to me.


Publicly, sure. In DMs though it seems to be a different story as @Starscreams Cape noted earlier tonight with more one-way demanding of help without so much as a public acknowledgment. That's why I'd consider it a favor to Frog if Meyer just hopped over to Iconic Comics. It certainly wouldn't be a favor to Iconic Comics.


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Zack did a video a few months back in which he was comparing the success of a handful of creators who do crowdfunding with charts and graphs. I think he had Brian Pulido, Clint Stoker and the Iconic Comics team as examples. The message of the video was "These guys are good at crowdfunding. What are they doing right?"

I asked him, "Hey, how come you didn't do a graph on my campaigns, and put ALL CAPS COMICS in your video?"

He said, "Your success isn't replicable."

A dismissive compliment from a dude trying to find a different reason why his campaigns were struggling, I guess, because my method for crowdfunding was co-created by Richard C. Meyer.

Pulido is successful because he built his brand 30 years ago and has a huge team helping him sell and fulfill LADY DEATH to a fanbase of 4000 loyal customers.

Clint Stoker has experienced some success through consistency in his DOWNCAST brand, and his messaging. When he does something outside of DOWNCAST, like FATL or DRACULA, he chooses extremely appealing artists or a public domain IP that everyone already likes.

The Iconic Comics team is successful because of their colorful concepts and consistency thereof, and their quick turnaround time.

The common thread that all of these creators share is consistency. Zack is all over the place. Nobody knows what he's going to do next, and that isn't a good thing. Nobody knows if he's going to stick with the plan he announced just yesterday, and follow through, or if he's just going to vanish entirely. It's extremely frustrating.

There's no reason why he can't do a JAWBREAKERS campaign and a solo JAWBREAKERS book campaign per year with consistent artists and grow his business. There's no reason he can't pop into my livestreams and make his fans happy by contributing to pop culture conversations for 15 minutes. (If there are things he's not allowed to discuss for legal reasons regarding the lawsuit, or any topic that he's uncomfortable with, I would steer the show around that shit) We were given this incredible opportunity to be the voices of a movement of comic book fans and creators, and to just throw it away like that is crazy. But that's what he feels like doing.

Zack has zero interest in being "show biz." He sees me as this Howard Stern type and told me he doesn't want to be my "Stuttering John" or whatever. I get that, but can you at least be Ray Kroc again? Consistency, simplicity, mass appeal. And don't be a recluse when your personality is 95% of the reason people are supporting you.

His video about quitting ("just kidding, I'm not quitting...exactly") really bummed me out. But nobody else seemed to care.
 
It's also the Stan Lee method, too - being a likable raconteur who can connect with the audience. It's simply astounding that Zach does not want to look back and realize that his personality was a big part of the reason people bought his stuff. Then he went off Twitter, shut down his livestreams, settled the Waid-suit and decided he wanted to try to partially "live in peace" with people who will always and forever hate him.

Should have known something was SERIOUSLY wrong when he made that danger-haired chick in his pandemic book the hero. Remember he also gave a positive review to Zoe Quinn's first comic and I am pretty sure he's praised Nu-Star Trek. He has indeed stared too long into the abyss
 
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