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That sounded like another dig at comicsgate.

I'm surprised that Clint Stoker has an unfulfilled book from almost two years ago. I thought he was one of the CGers with their heads screwed on more securely. Did he give any excuses?
It is also that, but it's more a dig at the non-CG youtube he watches that he's noticed turned into Brie Larsen/Amber Heard celebrity gossip channels. But yes, Zack wants to be the next Brian Pulido and not one of these guys who puts in the effort to cultivate a personal following, like Frog, or Brian Pulido. People should just accept the truth of his statements, which in turn he should be exempt from having to defend in the public forum or from putting into action himself as someone ostensibly running a comic book business.

Of course, this criticism isn't always one way.




Yellowflash, in this now privated CAPS livestream where he was invited to efap a Simple Zack stream by Frog, in turn questioned the entertainment value, journalistic integrity and purpose of spending three years straight running a channel centered around crying at screencaps of tweets made by a handful of journeyman female comic creators who's relevance peaked in 2016, adding that if he's too stupid and arrogant to help himself he should just be left to die. I suppose this was intended as some sort of intervention for Zack by his peers where they'd give him some tough love and slap him back into reality. In practice though it was more like 3 guys standing there paralyzed in an alleyway while YellowFlash viciously caved in the Simple One's face with a brick. :story:

As for Clint, he's a writer not an artist. Whether he's got his head screwed on tight or not, there's not a lot he can do about it if the artist he's hired (Charlie Snogans) is really slow at turning in pages because he's holding down a day job or whatever. Classic CG Writer's lament.
 
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The Zack/CG/Ethan thing is really strange to me.

He's never going to get rid of the CG association, even if he publicly cut all ties with Ethan. How does it benefit Zack to distance himself from Comicsgate? His business is a shadow of what it was just a couple of years ago and although there are other factors in play to explain that, I can't think his stance on CG has helped him in any real way. Refusing to promote his books on Ethan's channel has probably cost him hundreds of thousands of dollars and I can't figure why Zack thinks this is a good thing (other than the fact that he's simply a retard). Zack is the only guy Ethan would willingly promote who has "distanced" himself from CG. I just can't see Ethan doing that if Zack had made a public 100% disavowal of the CG movement and the people involved in it.

I know Zack really, really, really wants to be Brian Pulido but that is never going to happen. It just isn't. Pulido is far more experienced, far more business savvy, and far less retarded than Zack can ever hope to be and he has none of the baggage Zack is carrying.

If this were pro wrestling, it would be the point in the angle where the audience is waiting for Zack to turn heel (or face, depending on how you look at it) and deliver the chair shot to EVS, which would lead to a short feud culminating in a "loser leaves town" match, which Ethan will win decisively and Zack ends up bitterly signing autographs at the McAllen, Texas location of Half Price Books while refusing to answer questions about comics wrestling.
Zack is dumb half the time.
As far as I understand, as soon as you give yourself a name and a team/movement you are bound to follow suit with the rest of your party and you are responsible for every dumb thing people on your sides do and an easier target. By perforimg cultural guerilla warfare you are able to inflict damage while being a harder target and you protect yourself from fifth collumnists or gay ops.
 
Zack is dumb half the time.
As far as I understand, as soon as you give yourself a name and a team/movement you are bound to follow suit with the rest of your party and you are responsible for every dumb thing people on your sides do and an easier target. By perforimg cultural guerilla warfare you are able to inflict damage while being a harder target and you protect yourself from fifth collumnists or gay ops.

Meyer started to noticeably distance himself from CG around the Miller/Tennapel/Warcampaign schisms. My take on this is that he quickly got fed up with the increasing complexity and bitchiness of inter-CG politics, which is par for the course from the Simple Zack.
TBF, one could sympathize with wanting to avoid being drafted into petty horseshit wars between exiled comics creators, especially when it was always obvious that Meyer didn't ever care about any CG member except Frog and Malin, and by ever care I mean he could barely acknowledge any other fellow panelist in a given Van Sciver stream.

YBZ thinks that if he can collect five figures without any marketing, or six figures livestreaming and talking to people, five figures is a good deal.

I agree. It seems that earning 50k instead of 150k is fine by him and well worth it if he has to avoid the (for him) drudgery of streaming a coupla times a week or having to invite/plug the work of fellow CGs (back in 2018, his endorsement would have been worth almost as much as Frog's) or at least recognize their existence, all of which entails the risk of facing some kind of pushback and disagreement. Frog is a master at dealing with these kinds of situations; Meyer.... not so much.
 
TBF, one could sympathize with wanting to avoid being drafted into petty horseshit wars between exiled comics creators, especially when it was always obvious that Meyer didn't ever care about any CG member except Frog and Malin, and by ever care I mean he could barely acknowledge any other fellow panelist in a given Van Sciver stream.
There's a lot of words I'd use for soaking free, unreciprocated support from thousands of people only to ghost them at the first sign it looks like more trouble than it's worth, but "sympathetic" is not one of them.
 
Zack is dumb half the time.
That's a pretty generous assessment.

As far as I understand, as soon as you give yourself a name and a team/movement you are bound to follow suit with the rest of your party and you are responsible for every dumb thing people on your sides do and an easier target. By perforimg cultural guerilla warfare you are able to inflict damage while being a harder target and you protect yourself from fifth collumnists or gay ops.
The idea that his shift away from CG is because Zack wants to remain apart from the CG drama fray so he doesn't get his hands dirty by association while he's off performing cultural guerilla warfare spec ops (and leaving hundreds of thousands on the table) is kind of odd. Even if that's precisely what he's doing, it's too little and way too late.

He will always be the "cum dumpster" guy screaming and ripping up comics in his filthy Kia. He will always be the guy that called Mags "a violent unstable man in a Party City wig." He will always be the boomer with the shitty haircut who railed against minority superheroes in a Comedy Central hit piece seen nationwide. Zack's rep is tarnished forever. There is exactly fuck all he can do to rehab how he is seen outside of CG. There is no forgiveness, even if he took the near suicidal step of denouncing EVS. His rep will make sure he never gets a mainstream gig and his retardation will make sure he's no Brian Pulido.

My point was that distancing himself from CG has not helped his business one bit, so he might as well lean into it and make himself a lot more money since his reputation is trashed. He's already said that even if he got a "regular" job outside of comics, his employer would probably have to regularly deal with crazy SJW freaks asking why they hired a Nazi. He's already paid for dinner, he might as well eat it.
 
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He will always be the boomer with the shitty haircut who railed against minority superheroes in a Comedy Central hit piece seen nationwide.
Dis, dis, DIS. Epitaph piece right there.

That will be the everlasting image for me. I can hand on heart say I never once bought into the cult of ‘personality’ around simpleton Zack; less Jim Jones and more autistic David Koresh with an unhealthy slice of ADHD.

Alarm bells for the Comicsgregation should have been violently ringing when he explosively shat out 499; if not when his staple franchises crawled to their fulfillments.

Perhaps someone with a clearer memory than me can confirm this, but I distinctly recall Gary from Nerdrotic citing Ya Cunt Zack as his absolute go-to for current comics news circa 2021. The rift between CG and FNT notwithstanding, it seems Zack will have burnt bridges with much more than the CG faithful, if you consider how many from the FNT crossover fanbase may have at one time been interested in CG, comics crowdfunding etc.

Dat dere debacle.

As a side note, everyone’s favourite dirt-eating e-thot grifter is monstrously conspicuous by her absence on FNT. Is that purely down to allegiance to EVS? Considering her ties to Mayr and Jeremy, as well as her Star Wars schtick, it’s otherwise inexplicable that a fame-hungry individual wouldn’t seek to appear. I also noticed how short and sweet she answered a Mayr podcast superchat when asked if she would be attending the FNT meet-up.
 
There's a lot of words I'd use for soaking free, unreciprocated support from thousands of people only to ghost them at the first sign it looks like more trouble than it's worth, but "sympathetic" is not one of them.

Poor choice of a word on my behalf. And he did benefit from CG while times were good. You're right on both counts.
 
As a side note, everyone’s favourite dirt-eating e-thot grifter is monstrously conspicuous by her absence on FNT. Is that purely down to allegiance to EVS? Considering her ties to Mayr and Jeremy, as well as her Star Wars schtick, it’s otherwise inexplicable that a fame-hungry individual wouldn’t seek to appear. I also noticed how short and sweet she answered a Mayr podcast superchat when asked if she would be attending the FNT meet-up.
Let us never forget that Anna was there for the short lived all-woman uprising with Jessi Milestone and Merry Mayhem against their TFM griftlords for cancelling MechaRandom. Because I don't doubt that Gary isn't forgetting any time soon. And there's the Frog allegiance thing on top of that. Even Anna must know she'd be publicly ordered to leave by the elderly hobbit king faster than Jessi Milestone was when she crashed the event last year.

Looking back at that whole debacle, it was probably what sent the whole "Simpcast" thing in motion. At least from the former Fandom Menace women's perspective.
 

Looks like Pan boy has come out of the woodwork and dropped some DMs from a couple years ago. Don't know how relevant they are, but it does give a fascinating insight into the early days of Comicsgate and a glimpse into Frog's mind.

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The Kenobi thing pretty much exemplifies what TFM has become. I had intentionally avoided all the spoiler talk, woke worries and reviews - luckily none of that shit even appears in my recommendeds any more. Last week watched the first three episodes in a single sitting and thought it was pretty good all things considered. Not perfect but serviceable. Then I checked Youtube and was taken aback by the hyperbolic disaster reviews from the usual suspects. It's not that bad and its only the thrid episode for crying out loud. The black chick over-acts and isn't very good overall but that isn't so much a diversity-hire thing as much as a casting swing-and-miss.

Very predictable that the Star Wars hate machine had to be turned back up to 11 to re-engage whatever outrage grift remains from their audience.
They managed to turn being a waypoint on the road down Elisabeth Kübler-Ross's Five Stages of Grief for fans of Star Wars and "geek culture" into a lucrative YouTube career. Somehow I don't think there is any rational reason for them to react to the current genre culture offerings the way they do at this point apart from YouTube's algorithm. The one exception might be giving The Orville too much credit because they like it and Gary knows one of the producers while giving Star Trek: Strange New Worlds not enough credit because they hate nuTrek and don't know basically everyone involved. Honestly, I'd ask a friend or even visit one of the threads here before trusting their takes. I haven't watched the Star Wars show yet but they're dead wrong about Strange New Worlds. nuTrek is shit generally, but that show's been remarkably solid these past few weeks and it's mostly episodic so you can take it and leave it.


As a side note, everyone’s favourite dirt-eating e-thot grifter is monstrously conspicuous by her absence on FNT. Is that purely down to allegiance to EVS? Considering her ties to Mayr and Jeremy, as well as her Star Wars schtick, it’s otherwise inexplicable that a fame-hungry individual wouldn’t seek to appear. I also noticed how short and sweet she answered a Mayr podcast superchat when asked if she would be attending the FNT meet-up.
Anna brings nothing to the table that they want. Any potential audience she could bring or connections she could help broker are redundant or irrelevant at this point. On top of that she has two major liabilities in being friends with Jessie Milestone and @FROG. Of the two females that appear on FNT weekly, one of them is being paid explicitly as a producer and employee of the show and the other, Chrissie Mayr, if not being paid outright is being paid in "exposure" (always a red flag) in exchange for providing a connection to Anthony Cumia / Compound Media. Both of these women look miserable every week and Chrissie appears like she's having a panic attack under the crushing weight of her profound lack of chemistry with the "show".

In a world where you can openly cuck to a Hollywood filmmaker on one of your own streams and then lie to your audience about what they just saw - the same audience you spent countless hours courting with talk of "Without Respect We Reject" - while in the same few month span go on to receive embarrassingly large superchat "donations" for doing what is now demonstrably bullshit, I'd imagine some sense of unreality sets in and with it comes weird notions of who you're loyal to and what you owe and why you owe it. I'm not sure these spineless fucks can tell you what they do for living without uttering the phrase "content creator." Jeremy Griggs did unironically dub Gary the "Joe Rogan of geekdom" at the end of one of the recent FNT's, so there's that. At the end of the day, though, I don't think the FNT guys have any desire to associate with anyone not playing the YouTube game or bringing something they want to the table and CG isn't playing the YouTube game, they're playing the indie comics game.

They know how the Snyder thing made them look. They know that the people who don't need them necessarily (@FROG and @YoungRippa59) were the only ones to level honest criticisms and refuse to buy the "it was for charity" cope. They know on the other side of that was George Mohlo and his "beautiful soul" with more $500 superchats as well as fun meetups where they're not the fans, they're the stars. I think for Gary, a 50 year old ex-con taking it "one day at a time" and doing his newly discovered conservatism California style in Texas, having a pragmatic approach to the friends he makes along the way probably makes sense and by that I mean giving zero fucks about anybody but himself. If that's true, then Ethan's "zero" comment and Gary's seemingly disproportional reaction was most likely due to the fact that that's probably what Gary thinks of Ethan and Anna and the rest of CG, just judging by how he's treated them and others. All this, so he and Jeremy can sit at a meeting with Glen Beck or whichever conservative media mogul will kick the tires on FNT and they can say "Yeah, we had Zach Snyder on. He was great" instead of "we stood up for the fans and ourselves".

With only ~52 shows a year they want to make sure every ass that they kiss is an ass that counts. Anna's may be nice or whatever, but for the game they're playing, it just doesn't count.
 
As a side note, everyone’s favourite dirt-eating e-thot grifter is monstrously conspicuous by her absence on FNT. Is that purely down to allegiance to EVS? Considering her ties to Mayr and Jeremy, as well as her Star Wars schtick, it’s otherwise inexplicable that a fame-hungry individual wouldn’t seek to appear. I also noticed how short and sweet she answered a Mayr podcast superchat when asked if she would be attending the FNT meet-up.
Let us never forget that Anna was there for the short lived all-woman uprising with Jessi Milestone and Merry Mayhem against their TFM griftlords for cancelling MechaRandom. Because I don't doubt that Gary isn't forgetting any time soon. And there's the Frog allegiance thing on top of that. Even Anna must know she'd be publicly ordered to leave by the elderly hobbit king faster than Jessi Milestone was when she crashed the event last year.
I'm gonna be a nice guy and suggest that Anna's avoidance of this issue is one of the smartest things she's ever done. It's a no-win situation. TFM are retarded, but Mecha is insane (and both Jessi and MM appeared emotionally unstable by throwing in with her). Both sides present their own unique issues.

All things considered, she threaded that needle about as well as anybody could reasonably expect. Were I in her situation, I'd say "fuck it" and go shill my titty calendar too.
 

Looks like Pan boy has come out of the woodwork and dropped some DMs from a couple years ago. Don't know how relevant they are, but it does give a fascinating insight into the early days of Comicsgate and a glimpse into Frog's mind.

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Next you're going to tell me Ethan doesn't actually like faggots and trannys.
 

Looks like Pan boy has come out of the woodwork and dropped some DMs from a couple years ago. Don't know how relevant they are, but it does give a fascinating insight into the early days of Comicsgate and a glimpse into Frog's mind.

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Looks like Pan boy has come out of the woodwork and dropped some DMs from a couple years ago. Don't know how relevant they are, but it does give a fascinating insight into the early days of Comicsgate and a glimpse into Frog's mind.

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looks like half of that convo has been edited out. Assuming this was Pan's DM box, what is he hiding?
 
Haven't watched much of the Sad/Rabid Puppies (wasn't JDA part of the latter? ) but they may be less fun AND more retarded than CG ever was...

I actually adore a lot of the authors affiliated with the Sad Puppies - less so the Rabid puppies - and honestly, my main hope is this gets more eyeballs on good authors.
 
I actually adore a lot of the authors affiliated with the Sad Puppies - less so the Rabid puppies - and honestly, my main hope is this gets more eyeballs on good authors.
"Writers are assholes."
- Evan Van Scobee
 
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