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I don’t consider Smiller CG or even CG adjacent anymore. I look at his streams and all he talks about are NFTs and conspiracy theories.
Does Smiller strike you as someone who would cash out his massive winnings or let it all ride for more, more, more...

I suspect he's going to be back stealing food from his neighbors again very soon. Some people never learn.

I have been watching this, and @FROG just said he is talking to his lawyer because he thinks he lost money, fans and support and has caused Frog a lot of stress from what Doug did with Hutt. Maybe instead of Doug suing his former pet, Frog will be suing Doug. My opinion, why not both?
Because the Hut guy is already insolvent and would be far more valuable as a cooperating witness? Defamation would be an unwinnable and expensive case for Frog but he must know that with Zack's experience.
 
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I have been watching this, and @FROG just said he is talking to his lawyer because he thinks he lost money, fans and support and has suffered a lot of stress from what Doug did with Hutt.
Waste of time. Hut has no fucking money, and I think it might prove difficult to go after Doug seeing as how he obfuscated a lot of things via his autistic meat shield.

Better option would be to pump Hut for information (possibly under threat of a lawsuit) about what Doug (and possibly Tim and Mark) were doing, and then make that public. The burden of proof on the Internet is much lower than in a court.

Or...OR... and I know this sounds like a crazy idea... just let the whole thing go. Ernst made a fool out of himself for very little gain. Right now I think FROG is at least in a nominal win state.

Because the Hut guy is already insolvent and would be far more valuable as a cooperating witness?
Yeah, AFAIK, that would be the only reason to sue Hut. Not to win anything (because you won't), but to get information via discovery. Hut is a patsy.
 
Or...OR... and I know this sounds like a crazy idea... just let the whole thing go. Ernst made a fool out of himself for very little gain. Right now I think FROG is at least in a nominal win state.
His channel hasn't had this much attention in two years and he gets to play victim again for pitybux. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that he just lets it go.
 
Waste of time. Hut has no fucking money, and I think it might prove difficult to go after Doug seeing as how he obfuscated a lot of things via his autistic meat shield.

Better option would be to pump Hut for information (possibly under threat of a lawsuit) about what Doug (and possibly Tim and Mark) were doing, and then make that public. The burden of proof on the Internet is much lower than in a court.

Or...OR... and I know this sounds like a crazy idea... just let the whole thing go. Ernst made a fool out of himself for very little gain. Right now I think FROG is at least in a nominal win state.


Yeah, AFAIK, that would be the only reason to sue Hut. Not to win anything (because you won't), but to get information via discovery. Hut is a patsy.
I have been watching this, and @FROG just said he is talking to his lawyer because he thinks he lost money, fans and support and has suffered a lot of stress from what Doug did with Hutt. Maybe instead of Doug suing his former pet, Frog will be suing Doug. My opinion:

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Naaaah. @FROG you should sue. You should absolutely sue Doug Ernst.

I'm sure Ersnt will be just like his Marine brother Simple Zach and never carry this through to trial. It's not as if he's both petty and apparently has cash to burn. Assuming he paid for it at all. You don't have a whole wing of people who your half decade of faggotry on the internet has made extremely pissed.

But hey, YOLO, right? It's not as if you were just talking about integrity? Isn't this just criticism on the internet? Because you're sounding allot like Doug Tennapel and Mike Miller. Anyone on here remember if Earthworm Jim hates gay? Because I'm sure Miller and Tennapel didn't suffer any loss of business or stress from you.

Oh and the optics will be amazing! You're going to sue to super public Catholic conservatives for saying 'mean things' about you on the internet. I'm sure that will help Comicsgate's brand immensely.

In summary, it's a great fucking idea and you should do it.

In the last year or so, CG seemed to have reached a point of...I don't want to say "respectability" but the faggotry seemed to have died down substantially. People in this thread were remarking about how boring it had become since the only things to really laugh about were YBZ's self immolation and whatever Liam decided to sperg about. We'd resorted to talking about the FNT crew for fuck's sake. CG used to be all about constant gay op bullshit and late books, then it was just about late books. That ain't much to laugh at.

The Ernst-Hut flare up of mid 2022 served to remind me what a lulzy shitshow CG used to be compared to what it's been recently. Doug Ernst is a dick and I can't thank him enough for his contribution to this thread.


Micah is a walking example of Dunning-Kruger and behaves like a midwit.

Agreed, I appreciate this. Also, let's get this out there now, what did Earnst, through the potato cosplaying as a human, actually say about our human snowflake? Did he accuse him of being fat? Lazy and not getting his books out on time?

Did he even call Frog a cumdumpster? Low energy, Dark Doug. Low energy.
 
I have been watching this, and @FROG just said he is talking to his lawyer because he thinks he lost money, fans and support and has suffered a lot of stress from what Doug did with Hutt. Maybe instead of Doug suing his former pet, Frog will be suing Doug. My opinion:

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The bigger question is when will @PocketJacks enter the lawsuit to back Ernst?
The Pegged One has proven that he is very litigious and is willing to go spiteful lengths to inflict financial pain on @FROG.
 
Even someone as litigious as Preston seems to have felt that trying to try to sue someone over clips of cucking and peg tapes he himself released into the public was a non-starter

If nothing else, we'll get to the bottom of burning legal mysteries like "Are professional journalists aware of their first amendment rights?" and "Does Texas have some sort of anti-SLAPP litigation?".
 
I don’t consider Smiller CG or even CG adjacent anymore. I look at his streams and all he talks about are NFTs and conspiracy theories.
He once was in CG and once in CG always in CG.

Also, we saw how retarded the Evangelical side of CG was (Smiller, Edwin, Liam, Micca? )
The catholic (Doug E., YBZ, JDA) too.
Seems like the Mormon wing (EVS, Sweetcast) are the winners to the non-race to the intelligence barrle bottom...
 
He once was in CG and once in CG always in CG.

Also, we saw how retarded the Evangelical side of CG was (Smiller, Edwin, Liam, Micca? )
The catholic (Doug E., YBZ, JDA) too.
Seems like the Mormon wing (EVS, Sweetcast) are the winners to the non-race to the intelligence barrle bottom...

yeah, I get that Once you are associated with CG, you will always be in CG. It’s just that Smiller seems to have wiped his hands clean of CG for almost a year now, and the only time he talks about CG is in his Blacklist Discord And that’s usually to throw shots at Malin or talk about how shitty he thinks EVS’s art is.

And that’s kind of rare nowadays since he is now almost 100% into NFTs with the occasional draw stream here and there. But comics take a backseat in his discussions and he never mentions CG on his streams.

That‘s why I no longer consider him CG anything and I find it kind of cringe that EVS still talks about Mike or even Doug T, since they have both moved on from comics and are fully invested into their NFT scams. There is no point in trying to stir drama with them since they won’t fight back at all and there is nothing he can do to hurt their money. The rivalry he has with those two is purely one sided now since Mike barely mentions him and Doug T doesnt talk about him at all.
 
Sciverfrog, Tim Lim, Doug Ernst and Doug Tennaple for that matter all represent completely different genres within comic books. No one is really in direct competition with the other. While I can certainly vouch for an intense dislike of Ethan and his antics, I'm not interested in cancelling him. I just want to come to the Kiwi Farms water cooler and sperg a little here and laugh a little there. KF is one of the few forums that won't ban you unless you happen to be an extreme nutjob and since I am merely a mid-tier level nutjob, I enjoy the freedom.

I'm not out to sell anything or build some career and that is precisely when things go south for all of these guys. Every single one of these alliances and divisions has less to do with ideology and more to do with who gets to sell crack rocks in comic book form on as many street corners as there are urls... and of course, settling scores. Ethan isn't the first compulsive liar in this business and he won't be the last, but he really set the tempo once he started his crowdfund freakshow. Now both he and Doug want to go down the Preston Peggy Sue route... get the hell out with that shit. Doug seemed to be above it for a few years but here we are again, seemingly doomed to repeat the errors of the past. How is it that Doug of all people can't seem to break this cycle? At least he has a respectable amount of work to show for it but as said before even if the hate boner was viagra-powered, there was still zero need for this. Doug couldn't just wait for the Cecil shitshow? I don't get it. Perhaps everything CG-related is cursed!

Nah, I barely tried. It wasn't my thing and I was lame at it. Those guys were autonomous trolls who had their own agenda which was tolerated because their stated goal was protecting ComicsGate from gay ops. And they could be entertaining at times on their YT shows.
It was just the tip, guys!
 
See, the thing is I believe the outrage over an alleged "PR War against a competitor" is sincere, but it puts into perspective the years that Frog's personal army went around "defending Comicsgate from the SJWs" by doing stunts like searching for the meager few pieces of media coverage of Smiller's campaigns so they could salt the earth by stuffing the comment section and replies with baseless claims that he's a crowdfund embezzler. Shit I found far more heinous than anything the likes of Comic Book Hut could ever muster. Only weak claims of total ignorance are supplied, that we're expected to take on faith alone, that that didn't constitute a PR war against a competitor at all. I can't imagine anyone on the receiving end of that would have any reason to believe an excuse like that any more than one would Tim Lim's protestations of innocence. And Lim didn't even fire up a livestream consisting of derisive laughter and sealioning calling Frog a faggot crybaby idiot liar by way of a response.

Whether he likes it or not, whether true or not, by his willing indifference (if not participation) to the conduct of his personal army he cultivated and regularly undersigned, Frog's image outside of Comicsgate has been and for the foreseeable future will be that of someone who raised up dozens of Comic Book Huts, and enjoying all the ill-will that engenders. Something he's getting to personally experience first hand over the past few days the sort of enmity that builds in someone now that he's finds it's been done to him. He can preach his outrage to the Comicsgate flock all he likes but outside CG the complaints seem to be falling on deaf ears. There's been no appreciable impact on sales given that Black Hops x Kamen America x Soulfinder just celebrated the first week of its campaign by passing CG 2022's top seller Graveyard Shift 4 in backers. Not even fellow victim Simple Zack (who accepts Wes' description of events and blames "livestreaming culture") seems to think this is a one-way street on Ernst's part.

And it's really having that onus hanging over his head while Ernst (who didn't even work in comics beforehand) has been skating by for years with the reputation of a respected consummate professional, rather than the laughable non-damage Comic Book Hut inflicted to anybody's public image, I suspect is the real source of anger here.

Anyways. That's all in the past now and the past can't be undone. Comicsgate collectively seems to have learned, well, something from all this and that the key to success involves making a place where competent people would want to willingly be around so that normal people would actually want to back what's being offered, instead of generating needless lifelong resentment and grudges among conservatives and indie comic creators. And while a small fraction of the old enemies seem to have incredible staying power, no new ones seem to have been made for a while now
I walked away from following the CG nonsense months and months ago. I'm not sure why I got curious enough to check back but Dongs seems to have a grasp on the big picture here.

I'm a little confused why everyone thinks Doug is some sort of master mind here.

I remember the first time I heard of Hutt... Ethan was attacking Doug and Tim in an attempt to make a victim out of Mitch and Betty who were late as fuck and had fucked over their backers with the Walmart deal. Up to that point Tim and Doug had been off doing their own thing and the worst sins their crew had committed against Ethan or anyone was liking a tweet. But Mitch and Betty were being held accountable in the court of public opinion (or CG opinion anyway) so an enemy needed to be dug up as they are when attention needs to be diverted.

Ethan started playing up the angle that the innocent Breitweiser's were being gay oped by Tim and Doug. No evidence was ever produced of this and it didn't go over well since both Tim and Doug had steered well clear of drama since "The Glove" a year or two before but Doug's 1st book was going into fulfillment on time to the embarrassment of pretty much every pro in CG. Something had to be done.

WarCampaign and The Shadow were doing their best to pin the B's problems on Ernst (Betty even attacked them through a ham fisted and obvious sock account which was pretty entertaining once exposed) and Ethan was dropping not so subtle hints that all CG's problems laid at the feet of these two non-pros who had the temerity to put out good books on time in a fashion that embarrasses everyone who isn't putting out anything. (all of ComicsGate)

So Doug reacted and shared some videos with Sperga the Hutt who was defending him against these accusations which were never substantiated?

That's a gay op now?

Uh... okay.

Feeding a sperg like Hutt information and expecting it to have any impact was dumb, sure, but it's hardly a "gay op".

No more than Jonny Depp leaking audio of Amber being a piece of shit while in the middle of a PR war is a gay op.

Did 'Dark Depp' ever admit to leaking the audio of that horrible cunt?

If we found out that he did would it change anything?

Not even fellow victim Simple Zack (who accepts Wes' description of events and blames "livestreaming culture") seems to think this is a one-way street on Ernst's part.

Whether he likes it or not, whether true or not, by his willing indifference (if not participation) to the conduct of his personal army he cultivated and regularly undersigned, Frog's image outside of Comicsgate has been and for the foreseeable future will be that of someone who raised up dozens of Comic Book Huts, and enjoying all the ill-will that engenders.
Exactly.

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I wonder why this is being made into such a big deal...
Timewise? Yeah, don't expect your book until summer. He never works and when he does it's very slow going.


Frog makes Frank Quitely look like Kirby pumping out 8 books a month.
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Oh, right.

73 pages in 27 months.

Nice to see that nothing has changed.

I'll check back in another 6 months or so to see if Rekt Planet made it into fulfilment.
 
It’s a gay op when he has been hiding behind Hut for three years attacking multiple people aside from EVS, all while acting like he’s above it all.
 
It’s a gay op when he has been hiding behind Hut for three years attacking multiple people aside from EVS, all while acting like he’s above it all.
He sent Hutt some videos 3 years ago and he didn't tell everyone he was doing it right?

That's some real cloak and dagger shit.

Imagine Hutt shifting blame for all his misfortunes from Frog to Ernst the moment his crowd funder shits the bed and Ernst didn't do enough to promote it.

This whole story's credibility hinges on some failed YouTube spergs incoherent rantings from the moment he realizes his Indiegogo is DOA.

I wonder if the retard was fishing for attention. I wonder if you can trust anything he says. I wonder if any of this helped get his crowd funder across the finish line since that's clearly the reason he told this story.

I mean it's not like he has an axe to grind and a sub 70 IQ...

Edit: I hope Ethan sues Doug. Seeing star witless Hutt on the stand raging would be more entertaining than the entire Depp/Heard debacle and discovery would be a dream come true.
 
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He sent Hutt some videos 3 years ago and he didn't tell everyone he was doing it right?

That's some real cloak and dagger shit.

Imagine Hutt shifting blame for all his misfortunes from Frog to Ernst the moment his crowd funder shits the bed and Ernst didn't do enough to promote it.

This whole story's credibility hinges on some failed YouTube spergs incoherent rantings from the moment he realizes his Indiegogo is DOA.

I wonder if the retard was fishing for attention. I wonder if you can trust anything he says. I wonder if any of this helped get his crowd funder across the finish line since that's clearly the reason he told this story.

I mean it's not like he has an axe to grind and a sub 70 IQ...

Edit: I hope Ethan sues Doug. Seeing star witless Hutt on the stand raging would be more entertaining than the entire Depp/Heard debacle and discovery would be a dream come true.

Not 3 years ago, he‘s been feeding Hut info for 3 years. Ernst did not do himself any favors by responding the way he did. It made him look real suspect.

Hut’s crowdfund was doomed from the moment he took Ernst’s God awful advice of setting the goal at 10k. Hut was under the impression that Tim and Doug were going to go hard on the paint supporting his campaign the way Ethan does for others. Instead, all he got was a couple encouraging tweets from Tim and Doug with a little mention of his campaign on their lives.
I get why they didn’t want to promote his book, he has a bad reputation and the book looks like shit but, at the same time I feel like Doug might have pushed Hut a little too far.

Especially with that DM about calling him when Hut’s dad dies.
 
Not 3 years ago, he‘s been feeding Hut info for 3 years. Ernst did not do himself any favors by responding the way he did. It made him look real suspect.

Hut’s crowdfund was doomed from the moment he took Ernst’s God awful advice of setting the goal at 10k. Hut was under the impression that Tim and Doug were going to go hard on the paint supporting his campaign the way Ethan does for others. Instead, all he got was a couple encouraging tweets from Tim and Doug with a little mention of his campaign on their lives.
I get why they didn’t want to promote his book, he has a bad reputation and the book looks like shit but, at the same time I feel like Doug might have pushed Hut a little too far.

Especially with that DM about calling him when Hut’s dad dies.
What info has he been feeding Hutt for 3 years?

Where is Doug getting this inside info on Ethan that he was disseminating through Hutt?

If all this was true Dongs would have had regular essays out breaking down the latest info that Hutt mysteriously got from his super secret source.

As far as I can remember Hutt was relevant for about ten minutes around the time Mitch and Betty were trying to convince everyone someone was trying to destroy them by doing nothing in particular.

After that I haven't heard of Hutt except as the butt of a joke.

Everything you've said seems to lend motive for Hutt to be pissed at Ernst and ready to say anything about him like he said anything about Ethan.

I'd love to see some evidence that Ernst has been operating agent Hutt like a super spy from the shadows for the last tree years but if it happened it seems they were so good at hiding it that it did zero damage and no one even noticed. Hutt is a super genius, covert agent and retard all rolled together!!!

Hutt's a sperg who spent a lot of energy attacking Ethan and you never took him seriously (correctly because he's a lunatic) but now that he's switched targets you think everything he says is gospel?

You might want to check your suppositions.
 
The bigger question is when will @PocketJacks enter the lawsuit to back Ernst?
I don't see him entering as a litigant. You'd need a claim and standing. He'd probably cheer on Ernst from the sidelines though. Simply because of how much he hates FROG.

The problem is that Preston isn't the prophesized destroyer of FROG some people (read: idiots) were probably hoping he was, I would think Team Iconic would go out of their way to ignore him now. Considering how friendly they are with D&V, and how that shitshow ultimately played out. Vikki would absolutely have a meltdown if she found out Tim, Mark, or Doug were giving Preston the time of day.

I imagine Poulter is persona non grata everywhere related to CG now. Pro or Anti. Which is really quite an accomplishment when you consider how often we've seen people connected in some way to CG get into bed with weirdos in order to destroy their e-enemies. Remember when Dean, Vikki, Tommy Fruitloop and Poulter were all in a livestream together cheering on how Poulter was totally gonna bankrupt FROG and have him sent to prison over the peg porn shit? Kiwifarms remembers.
 
What info has he been feeding Hutt for 3 years?

Where is Doug getting this inside info on Ethan that he was disseminating through Hutt?

If all this was true Dongs would have had regular essays out breaking down the latest info that Hutt mysteriously got from his super secret source.

As far as I can remember Hutt was relevant for about ten minutes around the time Mitch and Betty were trying to convince everyone someone was trying to destroy them by doing nothing in particular.

After that I haven't heard of Hutt except as the butt of a joke.

Everything you've said seems to lend motive for Hutt to be pissed at Ernst and ready to say anything about him like he said anything about Ethan.

I'd love to see some evidence that Ernst has been operating agent Hutt like a super spy from the shadows for the last tree years but if it happened it seems they were so good at hiding it that it did zero damage and no one even noticed. Hutt is a super genius, covert agent and retard all rolled together!!!

Hutt's a sperg who spent a lot of energy attacking Ethan and you never took him seriously (correctly because he's a lunatic) but now that he's switched targets you think everything he says is gospel?

You might want to check your suppositions.

no one is saying that Hut is a genius. A retard yes but, a genius? No.

He was making videos for Hut by clipping livestreams, giving him books to review bomb and feeding him info on people he doesn’t like.

Based on what we see when Hut makes videos on that dinosaur that he calls a laptop and his experience as a twenty year grocery store manager/clerk/bag boy/what ever the fuck he is, we can make a good assumption that Hut is speaking the truth when he says that he doesn’t have the skill set or patience to go through a 3 or 5 hour livestream and pick out clips for a 2 minute video.

And why would he would he turn on Doug like that and then delete the video exposing him? Why would he go dark on the internet aside from some retweets on his Twitter? That’s not how Hut acts at all. Those are the actions of someone that is scared.

Especially with Doug and his cronies attempting damage control and then talking about he wants to pursue legal action.
 
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He sent Hutt some videos 3 years ago and he didn't tell everyone he was doing it right?

That's some real cloak and dagger shit.

Imagine Hutt shifting blame for all his misfortunes from Frog to Ernst the moment his crowd funder shits the bed and Ernst didn't do enough to promote it.

This whole story's credibility hinges on some failed YouTube spergs incoherent rantings from the moment he realizes his Indiegogo is DOA.

I wonder if the retard was fishing for attention. I wonder if you can trust anything he says. I wonder if any of this helped get his crowd funder across the finish line since that's clearly the reason he told this story.

I mean it's not like he has an axe to grind and a sub 70 IQ...

Edit: I hope Ethan sues Doug. Seeing star witless Hutt on the stand raging would be more entertaining than the entire Depp/Heard debacle and discovery would be a dream come true.
Yeah as it turns out, the Breitweisers didn't screw over their backers, Richard C Meyer is just a misunderstood genius and Ethan Van Sciver was never late. Hutt needs to be assigned a level of specialized retardation severe enough to transfer all the blame onto Ernst so that Sciverfrog can focus blast him. But since I was too casual to keep track of Ernst's dealings with WC, I didn't see until now that Ernst has been acting like the rules of idiot parlay didn't apply to him. He was winning by sticking to his own stuff, now he will be forever associated with a galactic whale abortionist. No amount of legal action is going to make this go away either.

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And why would he would he turn on Doug like that and then delete the video exposing him? Why would he go dark on the internet aside from some retweets on his Twitter? That’s not how Hut acts at all. Those are the actions of someone that is scared.
Because for Hutt it was all about living his dweam. Because he doesn't think more than 1 move ahead. Because he doesn't have the ability to contextualize his own situation, he's prey to others who can. He couldn't just stand up for himself and take the hits for his own actions. He is doomed to be strung along no matter what he tries to do. He's probably been burnt many times in life so maybe this is the only way he knows how to interact with his world. He tried to use Doug for the fame, then he just tried to use Ethan for the snitch, but he's been used by those same people for a greater effect each time and now we all feast on his lolcowdom.
 
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I'd love to see some evidence that Ernst has been operating agent Hutt like a super spy from the shadows for the last tree years but if it happened it seems they were so good at hiding it that it did zero damage and no one even noticed. Hutt is a super genius, covert agent and retard all rolled together!!!
Admittedly, Hut hasn't (yet) provided evidence spanning a full three years (though he claims it has been going on since January of 2019), but he did provide receipts spanning as far back as October 2021. Several e-mails from Ernst, each with an MP4 file attached. You can view that here.

Frankly, it doesn't matter to me whether Ernst was using Hut for three years, three months, or even three days. What we know is he was secretly sending pre-edited videos to Hut for him to play on his channel, and even went as far as to provide Hut with the titles he should use for each video. That's a bit more involved that simply letting Hut pick his brain. It appears he was exerting a fairly significant amount of control over Hut to attack FROG and other CG members. Ostensibly, all of this was done so he could keep up his public facade as a hard worker who gets his books out on time, and is above the drama.

Hence, gay op.

And yes, it did practically zero damage to FROG. Nobody watched Hut unironically. Which is a large part of why Ernst looks like a complete fucking tool here.

IF he had published these videos himself, I doubt very much anybody would give a shit. He'd probably even been given kudos for managing to slapfight with FROG while still getting his books out in a timely manner. Unfortunately, he went the same route FROG went when he was associated with Wascampaign. He lost the moral high ground, and sullied his image for absolutely nothing.

He was winning by sticking to his own stuff, now he will be forever associated with a galactic whale abortionist.
Exactly. If Ethan will be forever associated with Wascampaign faggotry, Ernst is forever associated with this mush mouthed retard. Fair is fair. Double moral standards are infuriating to me. Shouldn't really matter if anyone likes or dislikes FROG.
 
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He sent Hutt some videos 3 years ago and he didn't tell everyone he was doing it right?

That's some real cloak and dagger shit.

Imagine Hutt shifting blame for all his misfortunes from Frog to Ernst the moment his crowd funder shits the bed and Ernst didn't do enough to promote it.

If Ernst didn't do this gayop or has some reasonable explanation for it he should say so/provide it. The whole thing would go away in minutes. It isn't like CBH has any real credibility. But he apparently does not.

And, at least as I understand things, it wasn't "three years ago," but rather "on a consistent basis over a three year time period." As recently as this year, I believe in April. That's either some serious autism or a rather pathetic hate boner.

Edit: I hope Ethan sues Doug. Seeing star witless Hutt on the stand raging would be more entertaining than the entire Depp/Heard debacle and discovery would be a dream come true.
Not that @FROG 's sperging on livestreams makes him look particularly good, but Ernst was actually the first one to threaten a LOLsuit here.
 
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