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Wth...? Seriously? You expect me to believe on average every person that contributed into this campaign paid almost 1,000 dollars? Get real.July has 477K subscribers; his platform is bigger than every Comicsgate creator combined. And he actually talks about comics on a regular basis too which helps. The FNT/G&G/Anti-SJW livestream tours on top of that are just cake. I thought a million bucks was a conservative estimate if he ever got around to making the comic he's been talking about for the past 3 years.
CG's usefulness from his perspective isn't really their meager platforms lending "support" but their considerable collective knowhow in actually creating and fulfilling a comic. While July is definitely a master of stoking and maintaining hype, his distinctly un-Rippalike lack of confidence going into his debut comic project and sinking $200,000 in advance (no doubt the biggest investment in his life) with no idea what was going to happen was palpable. A guy who was getting guidance from Preston Poulter and fretting over what a relative ant like Michael Bancroft has to say is not a guy who's super-confident in what the fuck he was doing.
Still, taking the plunge has worked out well for him; all he really has to do at this point is stick the landing and produce a decent comic book on schedule and his fans will be coming back for more and if he hasn't eclipsed Rekt Planet yet he soon will. He has the resources to do it, it's just a matter of allocating them correctly. And that's just a matter of receiving good advice from qualified individuals.
meanwhile: Simple Zack mopes about people responding to his thinly veiled blind items passive aggressively shitting on them - this is the end of the free expression of thought and opinion; open discourse is dead
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Ike Aim
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They're smitten and giggle like school girls who for some reason really need to make "edgy race jokes" with their cool black friend only they're oblivious to the fact that their "black friend" is markedly less relaxed when he's around them. I mean, Eric July is noticeably more reserved on their streams compared to his own and even some others as well as The Blaze, even when G+G are actively engaging him. You can see him slowly dying inside as he's compelled to shuck-and-jive for these honkies. You can palpably feel how little Rippa cares for Jeremy and meanwhile Jeremy is saying dumb shit like "I'd follow you to the ends of the earth" and to me that fucked-up dynamic could never not be interesting.
Aren't they all going to be at Anime Matsuri? Apart from a convention, I don't see anything bringing them together in real time the way it clearly needs to happen. Maybe a drunken Flashcast "accident" that brings them all together.
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Massive success for July here. Congrats to him.
I haven't posted much in this thread, but have been keeping my eye on CG. Not wanting to stoke the tism flames, I think Isom's relative smash success this side of shipping provides a good opportunity for an honest examination of things.
Firstly, I see no reason to disbelieve these numbers. As @Mister Dongs has pointed out, July's got a bigger base than all of the CG channels combined and a lot more engagement. He also features on pretty large livestreams quite regularly.
Comparing his numbers to Rekt Planet on Indiegogo, he's currently got 1.254 million in revenue with 13, 390 backers, against EVS' 1.208 million USD with 11, 893 backers. That's 3.8% more revenue with 12.56% more purchasers. Nothing crazy about that at all.
The other thing is that, unlike most CG campaigns, July's book is already finished. I know some had criticisms with the teasing and ultimate rollout of the information around this book, but let's recount. He built anticipation for a while; dropped the background details; and a few days later, he shows the actual book. Only asking for money when the main product is finished and about a month out from shipping (the international portion of which is another key point). I would've narrowed the window between telling people it's coming and showing it and switched a few things around, but it's clearly worked out.
Given how long July's been getting his ducks in a row, I wouldn't be surprised if the next book in his universe isn't too far off, either.
This is something I really believe gets in the way of crowdfunding, especially the way CG's doing it. Money now, product who knows when. At least for the big ones people really care about.
People have been soured on crowdfunding campaigns so many times, be it final quality, time to release or a mixture of both. I think this is why Sanderson's recent Kickstarter was so successful. Here's the finished product, here's the pitch, here's the release window. Fin. Backers also count on Sanderson's long track record of productivity and timely delivery. Things like Cash Grab have set the exact opposite example. And Graham Nolan selling one-off comics to less than 2 thousand people and delivering a fair 8-9 months after purchase isn't going to move that needle.
Those ~12,000 people who've bought into Rekt Planet are not going to take kindly to 73 pages after the better part of 3 years. I'd be shocked if EVS gets 70% of Rekt Planet's purchasers for Cyberfrog 3.
You're not going to be able to genuinely "take power" away from the mainstream when the height of your competition against it can sell 10,000 copies every 3-4 years. Back when actual sales data was a thing, you could see that 10-12k books sold wouldn't even put you at the bottom of the top 100. And yes, those were sales to the comic shops featuring variant covers, but if you're at the bottom ofnthe top 100, chances are you haven't much in the way of variant covers, and the shops have less reason to buy significantly more than they know they'll sell. Save that space for the latest Batman issue and it's 8 variants.
Often, manga is referred to about kicking the American mainstream's ass, right? Well, with manga, you get about 20 pages every week, or somewhere between 30-50 every month. Yeah, I know, muh color and art quality", but to repeat a refrain that Comicsgate's very fond of, it's what sells. No one is saying to copy it, and no one's saying to get rid of the color or degrade the art down to stick figures or something, but there needs to be a happy medium. There's diminishing returns on trying to pull of Michelangelo every page in a funny book.
HunterxHunter hiatuses are a meme because they're the exception. And unlike CG, he's not asking you to pay for a book that doesn't exist yet. For better or worse, people defer to the mainstream in large part because it has a reliable content production pipeline.
This is semi-connected to why I disagree with some that July shouldn't have talked about the wider universe much, if at all and shadow-dropped. These days, people want things to invest in. Manga series that last anywhere from 400-600+ chapters, or comic universes - and mainstream comics have conditioned the market to be that way for decades.
I hinted at it before, but did either of Nolan's one-off's give you confidence to sign up? I'm sure the Chenoo and Alien Alamo are fine books, but their subject matter and lack of series potential don't get people interested. These are comics, not Tarantino films.
There shouldn't be any jealousy here, but there are lessons to learn and questions to ask.
I haven't posted much in this thread, but have been keeping my eye on CG. Not wanting to stoke the tism flames, I think Isom's relative smash success this side of shipping provides a good opportunity for an honest examination of things.
Firstly, I see no reason to disbelieve these numbers. As @Mister Dongs has pointed out, July's got a bigger base than all of the CG channels combined and a lot more engagement. He also features on pretty large livestreams quite regularly.
Comparing his numbers to Rekt Planet on Indiegogo, he's currently got 1.254 million in revenue with 13, 390 backers, against EVS' 1.208 million USD with 11, 893 backers. That's 3.8% more revenue with 12.56% more purchasers. Nothing crazy about that at all.
The other thing is that, unlike most CG campaigns, July's book is already finished. I know some had criticisms with the teasing and ultimate rollout of the information around this book, but let's recount. He built anticipation for a while; dropped the background details; and a few days later, he shows the actual book. Only asking for money when the main product is finished and about a month out from shipping (the international portion of which is another key point). I would've narrowed the window between telling people it's coming and showing it and switched a few things around, but it's clearly worked out.
Given how long July's been getting his ducks in a row, I wouldn't be surprised if the next book in his universe isn't too far off, either.
This is something I really believe gets in the way of crowdfunding, especially the way CG's doing it. Money now, product who knows when. At least for the big ones people really care about.
People have been soured on crowdfunding campaigns so many times, be it final quality, time to release or a mixture of both. I think this is why Sanderson's recent Kickstarter was so successful. Here's the finished product, here's the pitch, here's the release window. Fin. Backers also count on Sanderson's long track record of productivity and timely delivery. Things like Cash Grab have set the exact opposite example. And Graham Nolan selling one-off comics to less than 2 thousand people and delivering a fair 8-9 months after purchase isn't going to move that needle.
Those ~12,000 people who've bought into Rekt Planet are not going to take kindly to 73 pages after the better part of 3 years. I'd be shocked if EVS gets 70% of Rekt Planet's purchasers for Cyberfrog 3.
You're not going to be able to genuinely "take power" away from the mainstream when the height of your competition against it can sell 10,000 copies every 3-4 years. Back when actual sales data was a thing, you could see that 10-12k books sold wouldn't even put you at the bottom of the top 100. And yes, those were sales to the comic shops featuring variant covers, but if you're at the bottom ofnthe top 100, chances are you haven't much in the way of variant covers, and the shops have less reason to buy significantly more than they know they'll sell. Save that space for the latest Batman issue and it's 8 variants.
Often, manga is referred to about kicking the American mainstream's ass, right? Well, with manga, you get about 20 pages every week, or somewhere between 30-50 every month. Yeah, I know, muh color and art quality", but to repeat a refrain that Comicsgate's very fond of, it's what sells. No one is saying to copy it, and no one's saying to get rid of the color or degrade the art down to stick figures or something, but there needs to be a happy medium. There's diminishing returns on trying to pull of Michelangelo every page in a funny book.
HunterxHunter hiatuses are a meme because they're the exception. And unlike CG, he's not asking you to pay for a book that doesn't exist yet. For better or worse, people defer to the mainstream in large part because it has a reliable content production pipeline.
This is semi-connected to why I disagree with some that July shouldn't have talked about the wider universe much, if at all and shadow-dropped. These days, people want things to invest in. Manga series that last anywhere from 400-600+ chapters, or comic universes - and mainstream comics have conditioned the market to be that way for decades.
I hinted at it before, but did either of Nolan's one-off's give you confidence to sign up? I'm sure the Chenoo and Alien Alamo are fine books, but their subject matter and lack of series potential don't get people interested. These are comics, not Tarantino films.
There shouldn't be any jealousy here, but there are lessons to learn and questions to ask.
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And even so Togashi has the excuse of his back being so fucked up that the guy can barely stand up to take a shit, that and DragonQuest.
And I agree with the last statement, IF he can deliver on time and the final product is at least okay it's a huge win for indie comics and everyone should root for that at least, because if one guy can do it then so can others. I will accept rainbow stickers now.
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Wait, there's bad blood between FNT and CG? I always thought they would get along since they have a common enemy...
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Speaking of Just Some Guy, what the fuck happened to him? He used to be my favorite but 2020 broke him and he started to saying stupid shit,
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I remember this exact same sentiment between bloodhoney ($538k on 8566 backers) and rekt planet ($1.2m on 11,893 backers) and it wasn't true then and I doubt its true now. "omg bloohoney was so late, you'll never get...wait more backers and money?"
More like between FNT and Frog - Frog called them zeros. Jeremy from G+G never gave a shit about CG even when he streamed with frog (I don't think Jeremy gives a shit about much except making money on youtube) and I doubt the rest of them care an ounce about creators that aren't primarily youtube creators, since thats what they are. They're complainers and dont want to replace mainstream stuff with indie stuff because then they'd have nothing to talk about.
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That was back when the "movement" was still on the upswing, had much more inertia and Frog swearing that he had learned his lesson and would never be late again. That was also before most realized they could just wait and buy the same damn thing from his eBay store whenever it's finally released without giving him a years-long interest-free loan first.
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Not gonna lie, I'm hoping July pulls this shit off. As you say, it would be a good win for indie comics and give it a boost. But the other part of me that wants it to succeed is of the potential lulz that can be born from this possible success - even if the guy adjusted his numbers.
I'm mostly leaning towards what kind of bullshit this can bring. This guy comes out of nowhere and just shits on all these would be comic book makers in CG by making a decent book and putting it out on time? A good bit of the community isn't known for being smert and emotionally stable, we have enough doxes in this thread to attest that fact.
Then we can take bets on when Malin snaps and calls Eric July a nigger.
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well that could mean he just went woke. currently the only people calling him on the internet are SJWs on twatter and feggit...
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As a web developer with nearly two decades of professional experience, those images mean nothing. Drawing circles around numbers in HTML provides no evidence as to how that HTML, and the numbers it contains, was generated. That's not to say the numbers are for sure manually entered or not; just that there's no evidence that they are from those screenshots. I suspect this guy knows fuck all about web development and is talking out of his ass.
Again, the presence of this script means nothing in relation to how pages are generated. That said, WordPress is absolute shit and only talentless scrubs build web sites using it, so I would think twice about entering my credit card number into any site using it.
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nah it was literally the same thing. back then they were saying that the initial campaign had exposure due to the YBZ controversy, CG was shrinking and there's no way frog would make as much money on campaign 2. I even remember Jeremy the Quartering guy telling frog that exactly and frog saying they'll see (and they did, and frog did better).
Nothing you've said is novel or interesting, your memory is just short like a goldfish. You'd love to be able to shit on frog for it so you've blocked it out, or you never knew to begin with and its just the opinion of the deeply uninformed.
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That was my takeaway. When he was here discussing the digital storefront with us last January one of his main points was the site development aspect and how he knew what he was doing with that. I sure wasn't expecting a Wordpress site designed/maintained by an Australian firm. The only circumstantial evidence that the sales numbers might be goosed a bit is that the site didn't completely melt down under the load of $1million of orders. I haven't looked at the site so don't really know how the shopping cart or payment processing is handled though.
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TL;DR is that he doubled and tripled down on shit he shouldn't have around the time that gay choir controversy came out and it all went downhill from there. If you have an hour to kill a guy made an hour long video breaking down the whole thing.
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The CyberFrog2 campaign was launched in March 2020. Are you arguing that CG is just as popular with as many backers today as it was then? Frog's streams average half the audience today than they did back then, maybe less. He's not the oppressed victim of SJW's any more either.
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The quality depends sometimes. Berserk was coming out bi-weekly for 20 years and the art there is better than anything in CG and pretty much most stuff in mainstream.
The manga artists are just different and take their job very serious, cause sales/popularity can go down and you need to make new stuff up. Exception are of course HunterXHunter and Berserk, who are huge and the artists can/could get a long break and still come back and continue the series.
I also already commented this, but Evs saying Akira Toriyama is an amateur was one of the most retarded things i ever heard. You really need to be stupid to call someone that was producing at least 15 pages every week for 15 years an amateur. Ohh and all of that with just one assistant that was working just 2 days per week. And while producing the manga, also working on designs for games like Dragon Quest and Chrono Trigger... This can't compare to anything in american comics.
So yea, its much better to throw money at manga, which also has good stories, than wait for a 50 page book that an artist needs 4 years to draw. Id say thats a real amateur.
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meh when frog is talking about something interesting his streams still do ok numbers, the issue is his regular show with a defined time is populated by comic pros who by and large don't contribute to the show or bring in new viewers. His other streams are totally random - sometimes once every three days, sometimes three times a day, and often in the middle of the night. He also stopped putting out youtube videos for a long time and those are what boost signal and attract new viewers.
But I think he'll do just fine with his next campaign, and your conclusions of who is or isn't attacked by SJWs is stupid. Every time his name is mentioned in mainstream anything we get twitter threads about sexist racist comicsgate etc etc. Do you think the SJWs have switched to backing his campaigns or something? He's still cancelled even if you can't see past your own nose to pay attention to anything that isn't your own wishful thinking.
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Larry Correia is going on EVS's stream again tonight.
Somebody should ask what he thinks of JDA.
Somebody should ask what he thinks of JDA.
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One of the reasons Rekt Planet did so well was because he held the campaign open almost longer than it was supposed to take to deliver the book. For Part 3 to do as well it'll need to be just as late? I'm sure it'll do well for modern CG campaign standards but will be surprised if it approaches Pt2 numbers.