#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Stupor Mario]

G&G/FNT got rid of the troublemaker spergs like Ethan Van Sciver, Jessie Milestone and Mecha Random then ended the whole anyone who is fed up with Star Wars can join aka The Fandom Menace branding. Fandom Menace was the same as Comicsgate but for Star Wars, an organized-but-not nebulous cartel. Comicsgate kept doing this, anyone can be a member but we'll backstab you next week then make live streams about you for years. @FROG especially and now YBZ drive away people then have to either replace them or cope with smaller returns. G&G FNT just kept doing what they do with a very slight bit more professionalism than Scivergate, where they are able to organize more meetups etc because less of them want to kill each other. Gatekeeping their own company and not focusing solely on conflicts.

I don't think a person can underestimate how weird and crazy artists tend to be.

One of the main differences I see between FNT/G+G and CG is that FNT/G+G are just fans, not artists. Their model is simply to do what they always did as fans offline only now including the audience as part of the fan group. That's not to say that they aren't oddballs, but most of the surviving group are pretty stable individuals. All they have to do is show up on camera, do their shows, keep away from drama, and have events. It's a pretty simple model.

CG is mostly an artist group with all of the craziness, egos, jealousy, etc of artists. Their bucket of crabs is inherently unstable and self-destructive. There are more layers of competition with people competing for book sales and EVS trying to play the Froggfather manipulating the group. Drama and infighting are always around the corner. What they are trying to achieve, creating and selling books on a regular basis while also streaming on the side is so much harder to do than just streaming.

 

[Mr Processor]

EVS putting on a MAGA hat and pretending to be a populist conservative to capitalize on the Trump Train was always a cynical performance. Guys like EVS and Zack think of themselves as special artistes. They can't create a welcoming fan environment where normal fans are all part of the group, because they think of themselves above the common man. They can't connect with the common man.

EVS has some artist credentials, so his superiority complex, as obnoxious as it is, has a reason to exist. Zack on the other hand, does not. Zack's superiority complex only makes sense if you follow R. A. Heinlein's "Service equals Citizenship" model from Starship Troopers. I don't even think I'd trust him to lead me into battle, though.

Nothing he's ever posted makes me think he has any credentials that would make him an authority on the arts. What, the fact that he bullied his community college art class? That's supposed to impress me? I know he has some fringe IndieGoGo comics under his belt. That puts him somewhere below Jack Chick in the world of art though. I'm willing to accept an autistic amateur who is really into cinema as a sort of authority on it even without the credentials, but that's not Richard C. Meyer. As far as I can tell he just likes whatever mainstream slop is currently playing.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

“Uh-oh, Spaghetti-O’s!”


Really shouldn’t have spent all that time shit-talking Eric July about his “rushed” comics, eh Vedo?

(Not my images, fyi.)

 

[Olórin of Hype]

REETO is very soft.
I'm astonished that he even tried to play the offensive comedy angle.
He can't even stand being called fat.

 

[FluffyJackal]

Channel here. I made a post a while back here about it, he became a Catholic this year and every livestream he does is now reading the Bible or praying. Haven't really watched any of it, I think he did the Bible streams while in RCIA as a way to force himself to read the whole Bible. It seemed like he hadn't ever read the whole thing before.

Why would a Catholic need to read the Bible? Even Traditionalist Caths rarely do... peaking of which...

CG is mostly an artist group with all of the craziness, egos, jealousy, etc of artists. Their bucket of crabs is inherently unstable and self-destructive. There are more layers of competition with people competing for book sales and EVS trying to play the Froggfather manipulating the group. Drama and infighting are always around the corner. What they are trying to achieve, creating and selling books on a regular basis while also streaming on the side is so much harder to do than just streaming.

Popes and Bishops never get their due when we talk about the merits of the Renaissance. There's a reason those beautiful churches, music and paintings got made on time and within budget (i.e. Inguisition's dungeons). The Holy Church had already centuries of experience dealing with artsy scumbags

 

[FedPostalService]

Popes and Bishops never get their due when we talk about the merits of the Renaissance. There's a reason those beautiful churches, music and paintings got made on time and within budget (i.e. Inguisition's dungeons). The Holy Church had already centuries of experience dealing with artsy scumbags

It’s been mentioned a few times that Michelangelo took 4 years to paint the Sistine Chapel and none of these late Comicsgate books approach that in quality.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

It’s been mentioned a few times that Michelangelo took 4 years to paint the Sistine Chapel and none of these late Comicsgate books approach that in quality.

It would be worth whatever hellish devil-deal you'd have to make to reincarnate Michelangelo and then show him these faggots comparing themselves to him, and then show him a modern sledgehammer and let him go to town.

 

[Finger Pistols]

“Uh-oh, Spaghetti-O’s!”
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Really shouldn’t have spent all that time shit-talking Eric July about his “rushed” comics, eh Vedo?

(Not my images, fyi.)

The comics KAAAAAANNNNNGGGGG outlives another one.

 

[Fenrir Ratatoskr]

Fucking LMAO. The fat fuck likely spent it all on his cuties body pillows.
"Turns out the punchline was his bloodline" -jarbo the hutt

 

[Edgeymcedgename]

Piers is smart enough to understand which way the winds are blowing. Establishment media no longer cultivates talent from the bottom up. It's become a closed club where elites only promote their own from within based on personal connections and party affiliation. The aristocracies of the past had to find ways to allow their houses to accept members of the up-and-coming non-aristocrats into their circles in order for them to survive. If mainstream media want any hope for ratings and relevancy, they're going to have to allow the dirty YouTubers onto their establishment airwaves

Dose anyone else remember crackhead barney? Hilarious, no way Morgan didn't know that interview would go south

Nothing he's ever posted makes me think he has any credentials that would make him an authority on the arts. What, the fact that he bullied his community college art class? That's supposed to impress me? I know he has some fringe IndieGoGo comics under his belt. That puts him somewhere below Jack Chick in the world of art though. I'm willing to accept an autistic amateur who is really into cinema as a sort of authority on it even without the credentials, but that's not Richard C. Meyer. As far as I can tell he just likes whatever mainstream slop is currently playing.

Chick may have been an oddball to say the least but his art had a legitimate underground feel to it. He was trying to get out a massage that he believed in with a striking style, in a more sane world he'd be seen sympathetically like Francis E. Dec. But his stuff is weird and off the wall from the wrong political direction so unlike "cringy tough guy feminist comic" he dosen't get a Fantagraphics restoration.
Zach is a talentless boob that needs a tard wrangler to make his cribbing readable and entertaining.

P.S. I'm eventually going to get Zach's books so I could talk about them here if anyone's interested.

 

[Incecticyder]

“Uh-oh, Spaghetti-O’s!”
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Really shouldn’t have spent all that time shit-talking Eric July about his “rushed” comics, eh Vedo?

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Reminder that no matter how pathetic and scummy you thought Vito was, he is even worse.

The comics KAAAAAANNNNNGGGGG outlives another one.
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Not to glaze the guy again but GOOD GOD DO HIS DETRACTORS ALWAYS TURN OUT TO BE WORSE THAN HIM! It annoying at this point that everyone who fights him is such a douchebag. And that goes triple for Vito.

Fucking LMAO. The fat fuck likely spent it all on his cuties body pillows.
"Turns out the punchline was his bloodline" -jarbo the hutt

Matt Jarbo came up with that? Damn, this one is good.

 

[Mr Processor]

Chick may have been an oddball to say the least but his art had a legitimate underground feel to it. He was trying to get out a massage that he believed in with a striking style, in a more sane world he'd be seen sympathetically like Francis E. Dec.

Oh, I'm unironically a fan of Chick's art and his style, even if I think he had a rather skewed view of Advanced Dungeons and Dragons. Though considering what's going on with Dungeons and Dragons for the modern audience maybe he was just ahead of the curve.

 

[Gee Willows Wilson!]

HA! This IS his thread now apparently. It's been Zack-jacked.

Wow, his first real success... and even this he was late to.

If Zack had any intelligent, insightful criticisms to counter the BPCs and their commentary, that might hurt them.

That's his biggest problem. He wants to be part of the 'anti-Fellowship' SJW types, but he has no real substance. He can't even fucking explain why Joker 2 is good, other than 'it made me feel which means those losers are dumb and wrong'. His fucking comments do a better job of explaining themselves, and yeah most of the time it's retarded takes, but at least they aren't just repeating what they heard from someone lower than them - like Zack does.

 

[Stupor Mario]

EVS has some artist credentials, so his superiority complex, as obnoxious as it is, has a reason to exist. Zack on the other hand, does not. Zack's superiority complex only makes sense if you follow R. A. Heinlein's "Service equals Citizenship" model from Starship Troopers. I don't even think I'd trust him to lead me into battle, though.

For sure, EVS has or had talent. But I was more speaking to why EVS isn't able to replicate the comradery that exists with the FNT/G+G fanbases in his CG group. The reason is that he doesn't see himself as just one of the fans, he sees himself above his fans. Or, like a lot of artists, it could be that he and Zack are too socially awkward to be able to relate to a fan group.

Oh, I'm unironically a fan of Chick's art and his style, even if I think he had a rather skewed view of Advanced Dungeons and Dragons. Though considering what's going on with Dungeons and Dragons for the modern audience maybe he was just ahead of the curve.

His Dark Dungeons comic is hilarious. I think I listened to a dramatic reading of it forever ago on YouTube.

That's his biggest problem. He wants to be part of the 'anti-Fellowship' SJW types, but he has no real substance. He can't even fucking explain why Joker 2 is good, other than 'it made me feel which means those losers are dumb and wrong'. His fucking comments do a better job of explaining themselves, and yeah most of the time it's retarded takes, but at least they aren't just repeating what they heard from someone lower than them - like Zack does.

I think he's just a jealous asshole with a superiority complex. Like some kind of teenage art student, he believes he's superior to those popular kids with nothing to back that up other than he hates the popular kids for being more popular than he is.

 

[Travoltron]

I don't think a person can underestimate how weird and crazy artists tend to be.

I've really done a 180 on my beliefs about comics. I now think that Gold & Silver age Marvel and DC had the right idea. Artists talked a lot of crap about Stan Lee and Jim Shooter. But now I know that Stan & Jim were probably in the right more times than not trying to tard-wrangle these people. The whole Image thing was exciting at first, but then it became clear after a decade or so that these "superstar artists" needed writers and editors. With the possible exception of Spawn, none of those characters ever caught on. the way their Marvel characters did.

 

[Stupor Mario]

I've really done a 180 on my beliefs about comics. I now think that Gold & Silver age Marvel and DC had the right idea. Artists talked a lot of crap about Stan Lee and Jim Shooter. But now I know that Stan & Jim were probably in the right more times than not trying to tard-wrangle these people. The whole Image thing was exciting at first, but then it became clear after a decade or so that these "superstar artists" needed writers and editors. With the possible exception of Spawn, none of those characters ever caught on. the way their Marvel characters did.

Artists are great, but don't expect most of them to follow conventional rules. If you want most of them to fulfill promises, meet schedules, adhere to deadlines, stay on course, etc, like you said, you need to control them with tard-wranglers. You can't give them money up front and expect them to then honor their commitments. You have to treat most of them like children that get distracted, go off on their own tangents, get bored and decide to do something else. (No offense to the responsible artists out there.)

Self-autonomy isn't for everyone. It's everybody's dream, but not everybody has the discipline to be able to handle it. Most artists are probably at their most productive when they're given parameters by people set over them.

There was a time when EVS would talk about how lucky he was to have been forced out of the mainstream, a crisis that pushed him into concentrating on his own independent comics. He talked about mainstream comic jobs as perpetual wage slavery. And so then what did that dumb motherfucker do with all that opportunity that was handed to him? He spent all of his money on gambling, food, drinks, concerts, entertainment, whatever. He got fatter and lazier than ever and swindled all of his customers. He squandered it all. He is the poster child for why most artists need somebody over them cracking the whip so that they don't act like degenerate junkies.

 

[Incecticyder]

I've really done a 180 on my beliefs about comics. I now think that Gold & Silver age Marvel and DC had the right idea. Artists talked a lot of crap about Stan Lee and Jim Shooter. But now I know that Stan & Jim were probably in the right more times than not trying to tard-wrangle these people. The whole Image thing was exciting at first, but then it became clear after a decade or so that these "superstar artists" needed writers and editors. With the possible exception of Spawn, none of those characters ever caught on. the way their Marvel characters did.

After Marvel went bankrupt and Image proved unreliable, anyone thinking that Jim or Stan did not know what they were talking about and were just jerks should get dismissed as an idiot.

 

[Mr Processor]

Stop using canned phrases from dipshits who fake reviews. - https://archive.ph/l4BMh

Zack, having never proven his assertion that The Critical Drinker is "faking" his reviews, is now stating it as if it is a proven fact in order to shout down his critics in his comments section.

How old you look when you complain about "woke" shit in 2024. - https://archive.ph/Crv8U

Zack is basically just saying, "Stop complaining about woke." Lot's of stuff is still woke and things haven't gotten as much better as Zack asserts. I'm hoping we have reached a turning point but we certainly have not turned the corner yet.

Zack, much, much cooler people than you have been telling us to suck the girl cock for years. I'm talking about celebrities who have played much beloved characters in films like Luke Skywalker and "the war never changes guy" from Fallout. If I didn't listen to them, why would I listen to you?

 

[Incecticyder]

Zack is basically just saying, "Stop complaining about woke." Lot's of stuff is still woke and things haven't gotten as much better as Zack asserts. I'm hoping we have reached a turning point but we certainly have not turned the corner yet.

How much of this is him thinking to himself that if Zack the Great and EVS could not defeat the woke, then the woke is impossible to defeat? We have gotten more victories than ever against the woke and yet this clown is acting as if we are Confederates that lost the Civil War 30 years ago going on about how the South will have its revenge. Motherfucker, nothing has been decided yet. Stop going on about how we should stop. Some of us still have things at stake. Not everyone is a hobo with a YT channel.

Zack, much, much cooler people than you have been telling us to suck the girl cock for years. I'm talking about celebrities who have played much beloved characters in films like Luke Skywalker and "the war never changes guy" from Fallout. If I didn't listen to them, why would I listen to you?

Something something Veteran-owned.

 

[Mr Processor]

How much of this is him thinking to himself that if Zack the Great and EVS could not defeat the woke, then the woke is impossible to defeat? We have gotten more victories than ever against the woke and yet this clown is acting as if we are Confederates that lost the Civil War 30 years ago going on about how the South will have its revenge. Motherfucker, nothing has been decided yet. Stop going on about how we should stop. Some of us still have things at stake. Not everyone is a hobo with a YT channel.

I think it's simpler than that: They don't want us to win. Especially in Zack's case, he's worried that if we were to achieve victory over woke his preferred type of slop would no longer be produced by the Hollywood slop machine. I think Zack's original anti-woke stance was intended to recruit a personal army that would force Marvel to hire him to write X-Men or something. That hasn't worked out for him, so he no longer needs to pretend that he has a moral or aesthetic objection to woke. His only real objection to woke was that he didn't want to have to wear a dress and claim to be trans in order to possibly get a gig at Marvel. I can tell because of some of his snarky comments about Gina Carano and parallel economy stuff. He likes Hollywood as it is, he doesn't want it to change.