#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

Ethan hates Lim's guts, and Lim doesn't particularly care for Ethan. The only reason Ethan never went in on Lim as hard as he goes in on July is because of the reason I stated earlier. Ethan never viewed Lim as a threat the way he now views July. They would trade barbs every once in a while, but that's about it. With July, it's a full on jihad from Ethan's side.

However, if by "friendly" you mean there is cross-pollination of CG backers and Iconic backers, I honestly couldn't tell you. You may be right.
No, I mean that to my knowledge there is no rivalry between ERIC and Tim. They have largely the same audiences: People who want comics but feel burned by the MS industry and CG.

I don't know, have Eric and Tim ever fought? From what I have seen, they are agreeable people with shared values and tastes. I haven't followed Iconic that close so I am not sure.

In any case, I doubt Tim likes EVS and he definitively WOULD see him as competition IF he ever released his stuff.
 
No, I mean that to my knowledge there is no rivalry between ERIC and Tim.
Ah, I see what you are saying.

Yeah. I think Iconic and Rippaverse are both competition for CG, but Iconic and Rippaverse are not really competition for each other.

They have largely the same audiences: People who want comics but feel burned by the MS industry and CG.

I don't know, have Eric and Tim ever fought?
Not to my knowledge. In fact, I vaguely recall they've had positive interactions on X. Congratulating each other on successes, and so forth.
 
Zack's angry at successful people for no real reason.
I clearly remember people clowning on Invincible a lot back in the day, calling it "Super Hero comics for people who hate super hero comics" or "Super Hero comics for people who like Dragon Ball"
The reveal that Omniman was evil was pushed forward due to low sales and I believe the rape scene was for similar reasons.
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Ah, I see what you are saying.

Yeah. I think Iconic and Rippaverse are both competition for CG, but Iconic and Rippaverse are not really competition for each other.
Yeah, though it is hard to call someone who does not actually sell comics a competitor in comics. They sell the chance for comics. Like a lottery but the chances get lower with every campaign.

Not to my knowledge. In fact, I vaguely recall they've had positive interactions on X. Congratulating each other on successes, and so forth.
I also remember talks on podcasts. They were friendly.
 
Zack's angry at successful people for no real reason.
I clearly remember people clowning on Invincible a lot back in the day, calling it "Super Hero comics for people who hate super hero comics" or "Super Hero comics for people who like Dragon Ball"
The reveal that Omniman was evil was pushed forward due to low sales and I believe the rape scene was for similar reasons.
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Jawbreakers could never hold a candle to Invincible. I'm not a fan of the try hard deconstruction like invincible & the boys, but he's just mad as hell because a industry pro wouldnt give him a time of day.
 
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IMO, Invincible at its peak actually can't hold a candle to Waid's Irredeemable at its peak. The Plutonian makes Homelander and Omni-Man look like wusses while being a far more complex character and the artwork is better than Invincible too.

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But both quickly lost steam anyway after a solid start out the gate, so it doesn't matter.
 
When people say mid I look at it as agenda less and pure escapism with no political messaging....you know like how they're supposed to be? You may as well call western's mid because they have cowboys and outlaws,
It really seems like you're having trouble grasping the concept of "mid". You take it as an insult when it isn't meant as an insult or a compliment. It's fairly obvious you're super invested in Rippaverse for one reason or another and that's fine, but getting so worked up because people called something you think is great "mid" is not doing the conversation here much good at all.

Every medium and genre within those mediums has a spectrum of quality. To use your Western example, there are great Westerns (The Searchers, Unforgiven, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly), there are terrible Westerns (Wild Wild West, Jonah Hex) and then there's everything else. It's the same for every other genre, too. The fact of the matter is most things in most mediums and genres do not occupy the extreme ends of that spectrum and are therefore varying degrees of "mid".

Sticking with the formula and playing by the rules of a genre don't really have a bearing on whether something is "mid" or not. It's the stories and characters that matter. You can have a comic or a movie presented "how they're supposed to be" and still be mid or bad or even great, but it's all about the story and the characters in that framework.

and clearly more people disagree with the mid comment because they keep selling. 🤷 Sometimes the original formula is what works.
More people than what? What is the comparison here? Plenty of comics sell well and are also average (aka "mid"). Spider-Man comics have been mostly shit for years and still move more units than pretty much anything else Marvel puts out.

You can think his comics are mid, that's your decision. I think of mid as classic storytelling that classic storytelling worked before and I see no reason why it shouldn't now. I mean there are people that like stories like that, it's a lot more common than people think.
I've even come to terms of people calling Rippaverse mid as nothing more than a compliment because to me it means classic and timeless as well as original
Do you think there were no "mid" comics before the woke bullshit started? Classic storytelling is fine but that's not a recipe for greatness in and of itself. I get that a lot of that classic stuff has been shoved into a closet for the last 15 years or so, and that a return to that kind of thing seems extremely refreshing, but quality of story matters. Engaging characters matter. There are decades worth of comics written with all the expected bells and whistles of the superhero genre and its tropes, but very few of them are great. That's not to say they're bad. Most of them are completely average and pretty much forgettable. I can't predict what future audiences will say about Rippa's comics but if they're talking about "Goodyng the Polymath" in 20 years, I'll be surprised but I'll have to give credit where it's due.

Are Rippa's comics the best on the market? Probably not. Are they as bad as CG says they are? Probably not. I think a solid case can be made that they're better than the average CG or Meyerverse book, as low of a bar as that is.

And that's the kind of stuff I enjoy and you would be surprised how many other people enjoy the same thing.
What is with you and this appeal to popularity/bandwagon shit? It's always "more people" this and "many other people" that. The Fast and Furious movies make tons of money while being some of the most disposable brain dead slop ever put on film.
 
Zack's angry at successful people for no real reason.
I clearly remember people clowning on Invincible a lot back in the day, calling it "Super Hero comics for people who hate super hero comics" or "Super Hero comics for people who like Dragon Ball"
The reveal that Omniman was evil was pushed forward due to low sales and I believe the rape scene was for similar reasons.
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What the fuck did Kirkman do Aside from make better books and be a better Businessman than Dick?
Jawbreakers could never hold a candle to Invincible. I'm not a fan of the try hard deconstruction like invincible & the boys, but he's just mad as hell because a industry pro wouldnt give hin a time of day.
I've read a little ways into invincible. I'd like to get Jawbreakers to compare but DICK STILL HASN'T SENT ME THOSE BOOKS!!!!
 
I'm not a fan of the try hard deconstruction like invincible
Invincible is both a deconstruction and the reconstruction. It takes familiar elements and gives them a new spin but also does not claim to be a more "realistic" or "definitive" take on the genre. It doesn't make fun of you for believing in superheroes for one. The Boys is a deconstruction. A bad one too.

IMO, Invincible at its peak actually can't hold a candle to Waid's Irredeemable at its peak. The Plutonian makes Homelander and Omni-Man look like wusses while being a far more complex character and the artwork is better than Invincible too.

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But both quickly lost steam anyway after a solid start out the gate, so it doesn't matter.
Irredeemable was a bit too angry? I think that Mark Waid was trying to put his anger in book form and it shows. Knowing that the author is a temperamental manchild that cannot function without his morning tantrum was very eye-opening.

I will not try to argue who is more "complex" but I think that Invincible had more interesting characters. As in a greater number of them. I like the world building more too.
 
Every medium and genre within those mediums has a spectrum of quality. To use your Western example, there are great Westerns (The Searchers, Unforgiven, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly), there are terrible Westerns (Wild Wild West, Jonah Hex) and then there's everything else. It's the same for every other genre, too. The fact of the matter is most things in most mediums and genres do not occupy the extreme ends of that spectrum and are therefore varying degrees of "mid".

49% of Rippaverse books are below average.
 
Isn’t that true of most comics though?
It is. That's why I think "mid" is so appropriate. His catalogue kinda averages out to that, I think.

Comicsgate (read: FROG's fans) treats Eric's comics like they are the biggest travesty ever sent to the printer.
Eric's fanboys treat them with greater reverence than the Bible.

The majority of people who don't fall into either camp seem to be more like "meh."

Also, LOL Kirk.
 
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It is. That's why "mid" is so appropriate, I think.

Comicsgate (read: FROG's fans) treats Eric's comics like they are the biggest travesty ever sent to the printer.
Eric's fanboys treat them with greater reverence than the Bible.

The majority of people who don't fall into either camp seem to be more like "meh."

Also, LOL Kirk.
I find the extreme hate more pathetic than the extreme glazing, but I agree.

And yeah, I’m kinda amazed he’s still hanging around, all things considered.
 
It is. That's why I think "mid" is so appropriate. His catalogue kinda averages out to that, I think.

Comicsgate (read: FROG's fans) treats Eric's comics like they are the biggest travesty ever sent to the printer.
Eric's fanboys treat them with greater reverence than the Bible.

The majority of people who don't fall into either camp seem to be more like "meh."

Also, LOL Kirk.
I find the extreme hate more pathetic than the extreme glazing, but I agree.

And yeah, I’m kinda amazed he’s still hanging around, all things considered.
I think the problem is that the term "mid" has been used to describe bad or uncool things. Like how in the One Piece Fandom we call Captain Kid "Captain Mid" partly as a pun and partly for fumbling the ball by getting his crew obliterated after a major victory.

Mid is basically an insult to most people. It means average but it carries different emotions.
 
I see what you mean. While it is true that Iconic has better quality stuff, I do think that they are a bit too friendly to be competition. The guys who buy from one, usually buy from the other as well. I don't know, they just do not feel like they are really competing. Marvel and DC are but these two seem like they no real rivalry. Still, it is a fair point to argue that Iconic is better regarded in terms of quality. Still, I do not really have a dog in this fight. I just like calling out CG and the rest of the industry for failing their fans.
the Marvel and DC rivalry is basically dead at this point, they are doing crossover comics again after a long ban on it from WB, and I'm pretty sure a lot of the same talent does work for both at the same time now. Both companies are just so bland and corporate now though that I just don't really care for much of what they put out at all.
 
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