#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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PantsFreeZone said:
That Poison Ivy art makes me want to gag.

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TBF it doesn’t looks that bad, at least it isn’t Calarts.
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damian said:
Lmao, the Poison Ivy League is back at it again:View attachment 456450 http://boundingintocomics.com/2018/...y-jones-new-batman-book-already-under-attack/

What the fuck is the Poison Ivy League?
Severly autistic fans of Poison Ivy, they get mad when Ivy is used as a villain in any capacity. Ivy has been having character growth since a while back and her going back into a villain role, even if temporary, sends these people on spergouts rivaling the Rick & Morty fandom.

Here’s an article by them about how you should make Ivy into a bland superhero instead of a complex character that switches side from time to time.

I will say this, they don’t seem to be fake geeks, just autistically attached to the character.
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Speaking as a comic fan, Poison Ivy much like every other major Batman villain was never written to pander to black and white tropes of morality (well maybe in the silver age, but that's aside the point,) but rather represents the shades of grey that we never consider with our villains or heroes.

Mister Freeze is a scientist who tries to cure his wife, Riddler was once a private detective, Penguin has heart and sentimental depth with some of his closest friends, Two-Face battles the duality of fate, and so forth. However some people don't want to get past that specific character point where they do good things and realize that their decisions and the paths to their choices make them inherently criminals and ergo labels them as villains. It's completely natural for a character to go through loops of morality multiple times in story arcs across a franchise's run, and these fans need to realize that they're trying to twist something established against the grain to sate their needs when they deny the history of said character - it's almost as if they're burying it by making the character less human.

Whether it is personal fan bias or the sexist 'women cannot be the villain' mindset this denial really needs to stop.
 
Anyone who pushes Poison Ivy as a hero is bad and needs to leave. Same goes for her lesbian crap with Harley Quinn. I don't mind if Poison Ivy goes lez for someone, but it should be someone who shares her zeal for preserving nature, not The Joker's oh-so-wacky girlfriend/abuse victim that Tumblr can't stop idolizing.
 
ChevroletBlackboard said:
She's like six years late on that assessment, Not Always Right has been saying that for years.

Well, not the capitalist stuff, just that the customer isn't always right.
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The problem is that in the minds of the SJW crowd this has now warped into "the customer is always wrong" and then they wonder why nobody buys their shit when they basically go to buy your stuff and you spit in their face each time you do.

PantsFreeZone said:
Yes, thanks to piracy and the digital age, those numbers are only hit by the best of DC (Batman) in 2018, but the dropoff from issue #1 to issue #2 is so insane, that the fact that these fools even get hired and then hired again and again is ridiculous along with their shipped/sales numbers.

Never forget that forced purchasing of this tripe put 50ish retail comic book stores out of business.
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Which I find such a skeevy business practise, they know this shit doesn't sell but still foist it on people anyway. It's not like there isn't talent out there, the issue is wether or not they would "fit in" with the current culture. The answer is bewildering numbers of people do not.

That being said, brick and mortar stores get given hefty discounts by the publishers typically, which is why some brick and mortar stores still exist.

gobbogobb said:
I'd even say ignore #1 issues due to speculators snatching up any first issue just in case. They still do that right?
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Hilariously, yes. Despite the fact that this nearly murdered the entire industry as a whole in the 90s, people still buy the #1 issue in case it somehow becomes valuable.

E. Knee as Weapon - Cont. said:
I still think D&C has it backwards. The issue isn't that people aren't buying comics because of the SJW writers, it's that people aren't buying comics, period, and so Marvel & Co. are grasping at straws trying to lure in new customers.

I can't remember where I read it, but a few days ago someone compared SJWs to a parasite that attacks a weakened host. That's all that's happening with the comic industry. Sales are catastrophically low for a whole bunch of very good reasons (e.g. the awful value of a $4.99 comic) and the dangerhairs are the modern analogue to foil covers in the 90s.
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The problem is they treat comics these days as nothing more than ultra-niche instead of trying to find ways of branching back out. A smart man would've made a line of MCU comics by the end of Phase 1, focusing on various secondary characters, getting in good writers and artists and then going from there.

The other issue is that people aren't buying comics period because the prolonged storylines really are crap to try and jump into, there's no "abridged" comic books sold that could entice people in (another idea used elsewhere in other media, but ignored here). The obsession with everything-must-be-linked turns people off as well. I remember reading a comic a few years back and it felt like every 2-3 pages there was a *see issue #35 of this line! box because other heros were turning up and doing shit.

Is it really any wonder weeb stuff like My Hero Academia has exploded in popularity in comparison? It's one damn book with a whole universe inside it.

The fact you have to actively go out of your way to find comic books when it comes to DC or Marvel lines, going to actual specialist stores instead of being able to pick them up from any old store or easily online is just yet another turn off.

It's kind of odd watching this because in comparison various UK outlets who followed the traditional newsagent line are in rude health by comparison. The Beano a short, cheap comic aimed at kids regularly ships 125k units a month (about 31k weekly) and only found subscription sales outstripping its newsagent sales in 2016.

Which is ridiculous.
 
PrincessJupiter said:
Anyone who pushes Poison Ivy as a hero is bad and needs to leave. Same goes for her lesbian crap with Harley Quinn. I don't mind if Poison Ivy goes lez for someone, but it should be someone who shares her zeal for preserving nature, not The Joker's oh-so-wacky girlfriend/abuse victim that Tumblr can't stop idolizing.
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I actually like the two together. The B:TAS episode "Harley & Ivy" showed they had great chemistry, and Ivy is one of the reasons Harley was able to finally walk away from "Mista J" for good.
 
RockVolnutt said:
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That projection blinded me. Thank goodness Umbrella was reading the tweets. Honestly, sounds like Ryan hasn't changed at all, he just switched colors because he needs validation.

And future reference, Ryan, when trying to endear yourself to the other side and trying to paint a picture you know where they're coming from... don't call them "fucks". Kinda destroys the entire process. Don't even try to allude to any one on that side as "fucks", they're invested together and it shows your anger which destroys the image you're trying to sell. If you truly understood them - which you say you do, because your initial tweet is directed at the "fucks" - you wouldn't be using such language at them. You'd think a writer would understand that.
 
RockVolnutt said:
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The most hilarious thing in that rant is this poor fool has no idea that he is quoting an axiom that proves him wrong. Everybody uses “the customer is always right” incorrectly and turns it into the modern club with which to bludgeon poor retail employees. But that’s not what it means at all. That wasn’t the basis for the phrase. In fact #Comicsgate is a living embodiment of the true meaning. Put simply the phrase in truth means “the customer knows what the customers needs are. The merchant cannot supplant the customers needs, wants or desires with their own and expect to succeed. You either provide the product your customers want, or your customers go elsewhere. You, the merchant, cannot dictate their wants needs or desires.” Does this sound familiar to anybody? And does anyone see the irony of these incompetent peniless failures trying to use the phrase, as it burns things down around them?
 
damian said:
Seriously, why does he think I'm Zack? Now if you'll excuse me, I gotta go count my IndieGoGo money.
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Do we know if that is the dude who set up Melissa Morgue or if it is the batshit crazy Admin on the D&C Facebook group who sperged out when (if I understand this correctly?) his sexual advances toward D&C were rejected. And ALSO socked as Melissa Morgue for a bit. I'm afraid I missed almost 100% of that drama in two parts. Wish I'd had the time to watch that one unfold. Can't watch everything though. :(
 
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