#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[SiccDicc]

Are they capable of looking at numbers? Are they color blind? Can they not see red ink?

Bet you the accountant is woke.

 

[TowinKarz]

Are they capable of looking at numbers? Are they color blind? Can they not see red ink?

They see it only as a transitional stage, like how a communist dictatorship is only a temporary stage that will usher in true communism, just as soon as these subversives are dealt with.....

The money losing is just a transitional stage as your old and bigoted audience dies off, soon, they will be replaced by beautiful diverse troons who are just waiting in the wings for all the sexist basement dwelling toxic males to be swept aside, and once they are, the money will come rolling in, just you wait, keep the faith and don't you dare cede ground to the "subversives" trying to turn back true progress!

They know it's not working, but they don't get that it's NEVER going to work, ever, not just failing to work at the current juncture of time and economy.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Yeah, the woke crowd did deliver success with hot new takes on traditional formats in films like Frozen, and shows like the Legend of Korra, Rick and Morty and Stephen universe. What they don't get is these things succeeded in spite of the ideology and style and behind them and not because of it. They have convinced the business types they are on the bleeding edge of a generational change. All millenials and gen z are "woke", and these CEOs are being told this by their marketing departments who are all products of post modernist indoctrination at the university, and are backed up by the artists who are the product of similar indoctrination. And no CEO worth anything wants to be the dinosaur that does not evolve during a generational change.

Problem is they are being led astray by ideologues who are deluding themselves. Millenials are not as homogenous as they assume and gen z is growing up in the middle of the backlash. It's not going to be pretty, for the media companies and the university.

 

[superscript]

Actually they might be to some extent. D&C mentioned in one of his billion videos that one of his "insiders" claims a lot of "SJW" decisions come straight from the top. Disney will decree that there's going to be a "diversity book" featuring characters X, Y, and Z for example. The actual execution of it, who they hire, how they edit and so on, is entirely on Marvel though.

I read somewhere that Marvel earns more in movies but DC earns more in merchandise. There might not be hard figures around but it seems right based on the MCU's popularity but how many Batman shirts and toys I see around. If it is, that might be why Marvel is desperately multiplying Wolverine knock-offs or looking for a minority X-Men that the kids like and DC is much more cautious about adding SJW Bat characters.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I read somewhere that Marvel earns more in movies but DC earns more in merchandise. There might not be hard figures around but it seems right based on the MCU's popularity but how many Batman shirts and toys I see around. If it is, that might be why Marvel is desperately multiplying Wolverine knock-offs or looking for a minority X-Men that the kids like and DC is much more cautious about adding SJW Bat characters.

I am curious about Hasbro and Mattel in the middle of all this nonsense. They have, by and large been highly resistant to the SJW nonsense. The effort to make Barbie feminist conforming was rejected after a particularly brutal in house fight, the GI Joe gay propaganda got hammered by execs, By all accounts Disney was read the riot act over the Star Wars debacle by them, and their own flag ship toy show my little pony is anything but woke. Hell one of their best episode sequences was a very thinly veiled take down of communism.

Clearly the toy makers have access to marketing data the broadcast companies either don't have or are ignoring.

 

[superscript]

Clearly the toy makers have access to marketing data the broadcast companies either don't have or are ignoring.

I'm reading the tealeaves here but probably a few reasons. They're selling to parents who will not buy SJW genderspecial junk for their children and aren't loyal to brands. Kids aren't clamoring for GI Joe the ~Fabulous~ version either. If they don't want to buy your Muslim genderqueer A-cup doll there's a zillion affordable alternatives. There's also no benefit catering to the average leftist lolcow who is a single, childless, exceptional individual and whose opinion and advice is irrelevant to parents and children.

One of the strongest pushbacks against this nonsense have been parents. They helped kick out Ontario's liberal government because childless SJWs decided a new public school sexed curriculum should include stuff like two-spirits.

 

[AnOminous]

Yeah, the woke crowd did deliver success with hot new takes on traditional formats in films like Frozen, and shows like the Legend of Korra, Rick and Morty and Stephen universe.

I didn't like any of those except maybe Frozen. Not because of ideology, I just didn't. They all have recognizable quality, though, and are competent representatives of their respective genres.

What Marvel is squeezing out is a series of objectively terrible turds by talentless hacks, which then financially fail. I don't see how anyone can continue to look at this and think it will ever succeed. This shit isn't even being bought by the tumblr scumbags who push it, who gleefully and openly pirate everything anyway.

Kids aren't clamoring for GI Joe the ~Fabulous~ version either.

And parents of the audience age of G.I. Joe would either be horrified or at least completely befuddled by Sitterson crap. "What the fuck? G.I. Joe is a faggot now?"

 

[Xetzyr]

Are they capable of looking at numbers? Are they color blind? Can they not see red ink?

I think it's like Judge Doom in Roger Rabbit... they bought it just so they could destroy it. I'm convinced they're all a bunch of Socialist or Communist pigs or some such... okay, probably just stupid people with horribly naive and overly ignorant ideas on how to solve complex problems, bu- oh, never mind, I guess that's technically the same thing as saying Communist or Socialist. Basically it's like watching someone cut off their nose to try and spite their ugly face. Best of intentions and all like that. Hell Pavement Supply Inc for all your world saving road work!

 

[mindlessobserver]

I'm reading the tealeaves here but probably a few reasons. They're selling to parents who will not buy SJW genderspecial junk for their children and aren't loyal to brands. Kids aren't clamoring for GI Joe the ~Fabulous~ version either. If they don't want to buy your Muslim genderqueer A-cup doll there's a zillion affordable alternatives. There's also no benefit catering to the average leftist lolcow who is a single, childless, exceptional individual and whose opinion and advice is irrelevant to parents and children.

One of the strongest pushbacks against this nonsense have been parents. They helped kick out Ontario's liberal government because childless SJWs decided a new public school sexed curriculum should include stuff like two-spirits.

This really does push back against the "it's not for you" arguments though. The My Little Pony franchise is one of the hottest property for girls right now (and boys too surprisingly). About as divorced from SJW ideology as it can get that show, with its depictions of an organized social order, emphasis on individuality and so on. All the other Hasbro and Mattel controlled properties tend to do well also. I actually was watching Barbies "life in the dream house" with my daughter, and the depiction of Barbies relationship with Ken in particular struck me. In that it showed a positive heterosexual relationship. Amazing that how rare that is these days.

Which leads to another point in that when it comes to children's entertainment, the glorified toy commercials have become the gold standard. Marvel and DC used to have a lock on that with their xmen, Batman, etc shows. Yeah, parents are involved in steering their kids away from the SJW nonsense, but kids are not as dumb as people assume. They can recognize bad art immediately. They may not be able to articulate why it's bad, but they know it IS bad, which for a child is enough for them to lose interest.

 

[TowinKarz]

I think it's like Judge Doom in Roger Rabbit... they bought it just so they could destroy it. I'm convinced they're all a bunch of Socialist or Communist pigs or some such... okay, probably just stupid people with horribly naive and overly ignorant ideas on how to solve complex problems, bu- oh, never mind, I guess that's technically the same thing as saying Communist or Socialist. Basically it's like watching someone cut off their nose to try and spite their ugly face. Best of intentions and all like that. Hell Pavement Supply Inc for all your world saving road work!

You're half right, IMHO, they bought the streetcars so they could destroy them as is and rebuild them better, and are failing at the "rebuild it better" part because they're too ideologically blind to see that nobody wants or cares about a streetcar service that empowers troons and triple-charges fares for cismales to make them pay for past injustice.... they aren't trying to destroy things, they honestly and truly think people hating the new She-Ra design is GOOD because they're forcing the fanbases to evolve.... there's no nefarious corporate-raider motive here of tank the industry so you can divide up the IPs like dissecting a corpse and live for life on the profits from selling it off, they think they'll get RICH by pandering to their Twitter buddies..... and are honestly flummoxed that it isn't working.

 

[damian]

Slight old and forgot if it was posted but....
"IM tRaNS!‽‽ TRAnS!!! WHAT ABOUT MEEEEEE???????? ~<3"

http://archive.is/xYKmr
http://boundingintocomics.com/2018/...mics-colorist-calls-customers-and-fans-trash/

I remember this article but not because of the article itself:

Some convos from that thread:

If you want to see painful levels of willful ignorance check out this rabbit hole:

https://twitter.com/Mech_Aniki/status/1018964985916076033

I can’t tell if this guy as always active in the anti-CG side but ever since Jul16 (the date of that article) he’s been obsessed with John F Trent (EIC of Bounding Into Comics). Even mentioning him in stories that weren’t written by JFT:

I see some familiar faces:

https://twitter.com/IAmDeathRay

EDIT:
Zack gives up on CB:

I gave up on him the moment the cancelled books came back. Zack even gave him a new nickname: “‘Male Nipples’ because he’s just as useless as them.”

 

[Stock Image Photographer]

There's also no benefit catering to the average leftist lolcow who is a single, childless, exceptional individual and whose opinion and advice is irrelevant to parents and children.

You've touched on something else here with section I've bolded for emphasis. By and large the people who are the most invested in reshaping old IPs into new wokeness do not have children and publicly state that they would much rather have "furbabies" than kids of their own. Given how children tend to get a lot of their values from their parents, especially at young ages, it really boggles the mind how they think their ideologically-tainted stuff will be popular when most parents are normal people who want shit like that kept out of their kid's cartoons.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

You've touched on something else here with section I've bolded for emphasis. By and large the people who are the most invested in reshaping old IPs into new wokeness do not have children and publicly state that they would much rather have "furbabies" than kids of their own. Given how children tend to get a lot of their values from their parents, especially at young ages, it really boggles the mind how they think their ideologically-tainted stuff will be popular when most parents are normal people who want shit like that kept out of their kid's cartoons.

It goes along with something they don't realize.

When they tell parents or fans of the shows (who are uncles or aunts to children) that "IT'S NOT FOR YOU!" line when they complain about the show, they have no idea how many parents are going to go <CLICK!> and turn that shit straight off.

When Mrs. Soccer-Mom or Uncle Blue-Collar or Aunt Winebox see that the show is all about "SHE'S A LESBIAN WHO LOVES WOMEN AND IS A LESBIAN ISN'T IT GREAT SHE'S A LESBIAN" they'll just go <CLICK!> and turn that shit straight off.

Then the big one...

Who do they think buys merch? Some childless furbaby coddling alt-lifestyle weirdo, or aunts, uncles, grand-parents, and parents?

So when some boyish lesbain remakes She-Ra into the boyish lesbain of her teenage fantasies so that her fap material is now canon, and then her supporters shriek "WELL, IT'S NOT FOR YOU!" at people who complain, She-Ra gets written off the list of presents, shows to watch, and stuff like that.

No old fans buying merchandise, no adult parents/grand-parents/aunts/uncles buying merch for the kids, and the new fans being SJW's who never purchase anything ain't a good business model.

Then Ms. Boyish Lesbain will wonder why her show crashed and burned.

 

[Jub-Jub]

http://au.ign.com/articles/2018/07/...caused-by-a-superhero-shooting-comic-con-2018 http://archive.is/GtOfs

Heroes in Crisis will introduce a new location in the DC Universe called Sanctuary, a technologically advanced therapy center for superheroes to give them the help they need need after enduring physical and psychological trauma on a day-to-day basis

In a world with gods among men; who deal with doomsday Earth and Universe scenarios constantly and many heroes could easily destroy the Earth on a whim, are going to have a safe space to deal with emotional recuperation (Don't they already have the watchtower or was that not rebuilt after destruction?). Well i guess it could work if you focus more on the low tier everyman heroes and not the super powered gods.

but things take a grim turn when a dozen superheroes are massacred in a shooting inside Sanctuary

Fucking WHAT? You're going with a school shooting narrative? Superheros get shot at all the time 90% of them are bulletproof, shrug off hits harder than tank shells and can shoot lasers from their bodies, at least one can run so fast they move backwards in time.

Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman, as well as Booster Gold and Harley Quinn

Harley Quinn has never killed a person, she Dindu Nuffin.

I'm sure CG republicans are going to love this gun control prevents shooting narrative

By and large the people who are the most invested in reshaping old IPs into new wokeness do not have children

Not only that but they are also trying to drive away the biggest long time fan demographic with disposable income: Men 18-40 and as they become parents they want to start getting their kids into the same things they liked as a child. By pissing on men now they also lose a generation of kids to follow.

 

[Dogs can't look up]

I just found it dumb that they changed a bunch of characters to women for a while. I don't read comics often, when I do I visit the local store and buy a bunch from the characters I remember. Rinse and repeat once a year. But I remember hitting the LCS one year and discovering all of my favorite characters were now either women or possessed or someshit by someone else (Spider-man was now Doctor Octopus or Doctor Doom or some shit, I don't know it was fucking dumb and I wanted no part of it). So that year I did not read any Marvel comics.

This gender and brown washing of media is reaching absurd levels, and I don't understand why it's a thing and why it's touching all segments of media. Just tell stories about the characters you have, you cocks.

 

[RockVolnutt]

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http://au.ign.com/articles/2018/07/...caused-by-a-superhero-shooting-comic-con-2018 http://archive.is/GtOfs

In a world with gods among men; who deal with doomsday Earth and Universe scenarios constantly and many heroes could easily destroy the Earth on a whim, are going to have a safe space to deal with emotional recuperation (Don't they already have the watchtower or was that not rebuilt after destruction?). Well i guess it could work if you focus more on the low tier everyman heroes and not the super powered gods.

Fucking WHAT? You're going with a school shooting narrative? Superheros get shot at all the time 90% of them are bulletproof, shrug off hits harder than tank shells and can shoot lasers from their bodies, at least one can run so fast they move backwards in time.

Harley Quinn has never killed a person, she Dindu Nuffin.

I'm sure CG republicans are going to love this gun control prevents shooting narrative

Not only that but they are also trying to drive away the biggest long time fan demographic with disposable income: Men 18-40 and as they become parents they want to start getting their kids into the same things they liked as a child. By pissing on men now they also lose a generation of kids to follow.

This kinda embodies my issue with IRL political issues in capeshit. People are idiotic and can't seem to do anything with out trying to make it 1:1 resulting in narratives that break any immersion as they just....don't work.

The X-Men are always my go to example. You always hear "The X-Men ALWAYS represented [Group]" which is wrong to begin with as Stan made the concept so he didn't have to make origins and the theme didn't become strong until it's 70s comeback. They need to be treated as what they are, people with weird genes from some space gods experimenting on man that results in random powers by puberty and possibly more later as secondary mutations can occur. Yes, you can make parallels with paranoia or whatever personal struggle but you're lost if you come up with "and the mean man builds a wall to keep mutants out".

"Reee Trump" also doesn't make sense in stories about VIGILANTES, many who were dicked by the previous administration anyways. Keep in mind Marvel likes placing it's start at "10-ish years ago" and DC at "15-ish years ago" from date of publication. Why would they be more fond of whoever the previous guy was who did things like approved giant deathbots on their own citizens?

 

[knightlautrec]

I actually was watching Barbies "life in the dream house" with my daughter, and the depiction of Barbies relationship with Ken in particular struck me. In that it showed a positive heterosexual relationship. Amazing that how rare that is these days.

That is amazing. I'm probably gonna check it out now. Barbie has had such pushback in the last few years and it seems fairly ridiculous. She's a beautiful, successful girl with good friends, a good boyfriend and she's characterised as being kind and thoughtful. She's a great feminine role model for girls but she's been demonized by feminists for being unrealistic or harming for self esteem for little girls which is crazy.

I guess that's why a lot of other companies have tried to take iconic girls toys and properties from the 70s and 80s and update them to a more a feminist friendly message but ironically just make them more masculine in action and looks. I'm talking about new Jem comics and the new She-Ra debacle. It just sucks.

I like my dumb feminine comics about dumb girl shit like Josie and the Pussycats and Sabrina the Teenaged Witch. I don't want missus man Mags-esque characters who are violent and have to kick ass all the time like they have something to prove. I want them to be silly and cute and have light hearted hijinks.

 

[AnOminous]

I'm sure CG republicans are going to love this gun control prevents shooting narrative

Batman's idea of gun control is he takes your gun from you, pistol whips you senseless with it, and drops you off at prison or Arkham Asylum.

 

[mindlessobserver]

That is amazing. I'm probably gonna check it out now. Barbie has had such pushback in the last few years and it seems fairly ridiculous. She's a beautiful, successful girl with good friends, a good boyfriend and she's characterised as being kind and thoughtful. She's a great feminine role model for girls but she's been demonized by feminists for being unrealistic or harming for self esteem for little girls which is crazy.

I guess that's why a lot of other companies have tried to take iconic girls toys and properties from the 70s and 80s and update them to a more a feminist friendly message but ironically just make them more masculine in action and looks. I'm talking about new Jem comics and the new She-Ra debacle. It just sucks.

I like my dumb feminine comics about dumb girl shit like Josie and the Pussycats and Sabrina the Teenaged Witch. I don't want missus man Mags-esque characters who are violent and have to kick ass all the time like they have something to prove. I want them to be silly and cute and have light hearted hijinks.

I think the best episode we saw was when they ran out of an essential piece of make up (glitter). It was presented as a world ending problem leading all of society to the max max future. Pretty sure a married man wrote that episode because any dude who has to live long term with women knows that is exactly how it goes lol. I would recommend that show for young girls or girls at heart. Actual positive femininity, something that is apparently as bad as toxic masculinity these days. All the episodes are on youtube.

 

[RockVolnutt]

Batman's idea of gun control is he takes your gun from you, pistol whips you senseless with it, and drops you off at prison or Arkham Asylum.

I'd be okay with this plot only if there's a scene where Batman is getting autistic about people owning guns followed by Jason Todd right next to him looking at all the guns he brought to some press release and slowly tries backing away while hoping Bruce doesn't pay attention.