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I don't think he's read anything of value if these are the complaints he's making.

Can he even read in general?

I ain't crazy about guns, but in what world is telling a woman to maybe pack some heat if they travel in a dangerous neighborhood a big political statement? It's nothing. Wouldn't even be a blip on my lefty radar if I was reading it. If anything, it's reasonable.

Yeah, that's a big thing that bugs me whenever they say "Comic books has always been political." While in general, yes comic books have always been political in some way. But there's ways that makes it feel natural instead of being forced and dated. For example: take any version of Gundam. They're military political stories, but it's about a conflict that's universal and timeless.
 
Yeah, that's a big thing that bugs me whenever they say "Comic books has always been political." While in general, yes comic books have always been political in some way.

They've been establishment political, though. They were against Nazis. When Nazis were something we were literally at war with, and subsequently, as stock villains.

Comics before the Comics Code Authority were pretty edgy and contained a lot of content that would now be considered problematic by the modern equivalent of Wertham's stormtroopers. Comics had to become bowdlerized and castrated and support the status quo to avoid the so-called "self-regulation" of the CCA.

They were not progressive to any great extent because nothing radical would have been tolerated under that repressive regime, one the current SJWs want to bring back.
 
They've been establishment political, though. They were against Nazis. When Nazis were something we were literally at war with, and subsequently, as stock villains./QUOTE]

Speaking of villains, is the criminal organization HYDRA actually nazis? Like do they go around killing the Jews, gays, Romanians, Turskish, etc. I never know what are they're main goal besides world domination.
 
Speaking of villains, is the criminal organization HYDRA actually nazis? Like do they go around killing the Jews, gays, Romanians, Turskish, etc. I never know what are they're main goal besides world domination.

Actually no. In actual Comic History Hydra were in fact deadly foes of the Nazi's. Hydra and their spin off AIM were Far Leftists. Authoritarian Eastern European Communists. Created as an offshoot of Stalin's programs. With the involvement of some Captured German Scientists and such at the end of WW2. Comic Hydra was founded or operated by Baron Strucker. The Red Skull and his organizations were the Nazi's. Hydra and the Red Skull hated each other. The comics sometimes played around with the weird and often conflicted relationships between the various super villain groups. For example comic Baron Zemo (the bad guy from Captain America Civil War) is the Grandson of the original Baron Zemo a Red Skull ally. The current Zemo cast off the Nazi past and instead is a true Anarchist/Anti Corporatist. Who while battling Captain America also screws around with the Red Skull and Hydra's dealings.
 
Actually no. In actual Comic History Hydra were in fact deadly foes of the Nazi's. Hydra and their spin off AIM were Far Leftists. Authoritarian Eastern European Communists. Created as an offshoot of Stalin's programs. With the involvement of some Captured German Scientists and such at the end of WW2. Comic Hydra was founded or operated by Baron Strucker. The Red Skull and his organizations were the Nazi's. Hydra and the Red Skull hated each other. The comics sometimes played around with the weird and often conflicted relationships between the various super villain groups. For example comic Baron Zemo (the bad guy from Captain America Civil War) is the Grandson of the original Baron Zemo a Red Skull ally. The current Zemo cast off the Nazi past and instead is a true Anarchist/Anti Corporatist. Who while battling Captain America also screws around with the Red Skull and Hydra's dealings.
The short version of it Hydra doesn't really have any core ideology outside being a snake cult who likes world conquest and has a technology fetish. Their "many heads" is refering how they're always branching out and assimilating into anything. Red Skull is a Nazi but not every sect is and they often fight each other.

The whole operation is a group only in the loosest sense.
 
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High Level came out yesterday, it was impressive. Actual review starts at (4:00), if you want to skip YaBoi rambling:
UPDATE:

The Current State of Nu-Vertigo:
  1. Border Town (CANCELLED, Current Issues: 4) - Due to Male Feminist™. No plans to publish the rest of the completed work.
  2. Hex Wives (CANCELLED, Current Issues: 4) - Not sure on the reason, might be low sales. Will still publish up to issue 6.
  3. GODDESS MODE (Current Issues: 3) - Still a trash fire.
  4. American Carnage (Current Issues: 4) - Started out okay, devolved into crap. Not even good writers can make SocJus work.
  5. High Level (Current Issues: 1) - It might be the only book to at least be decent. (:optimistic:) I really need to stop giving people the benefit of doubt.
  6. Second Coming (CANCELLED) - Christians petitioned and got it cancelled. Russel is trying to publish it with another publisher.
  7. Safe Sex (Release date: Still TBA) - Might get quietly cancelled. Release date delayed, even the creators don’t know when it will come out.
Cancelled so far: 3/7
 
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Minor footnote from the front.
One guy is still pushing hard that DnC had an active hand in the Charlottesville murder, which is just an old line.

The fun thing is that THIS was the guy who called Nancy Real Estate.

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Wish I had saved his phone number when EVS flashed it on his video.

Otherwise, massive amounts of the special behavior have been blurring heavily into the Vic Drama.
 
HYDRA in the movies/TV show aren't Nazis either, though they are considered descendants of a Nazi program. They are authoritarian jackboots, happy for might to make right because they have the might. And as you'd expect, they also attract thugs and the sort of person who just wants to bully people.

I recently rewatched Captain America: The Winter Soldier. The head bad guy at one point says, 'If you could keep 7 billion people safe by eliminating 20 million people regarded as threats, wouldn't you?' Comparing that statement to the number of people who have wished death on everyone who voted for Trump is an exercise left to the reader.
 
HYDRA in the movies/TV show aren't Nazis either, though they are considered descendants of a Nazi program. They are authoritarian jackboots, happy for might to make right because they have the might. And as you'd expect, they also attract thugs and the sort of person who just wants to bully people.

I recently rewatched Captain America: The Winter Soldier. The head bad guy at one point says, 'If you could keep 7 billion people safe by eliminating 20 million people regarded as threats, wouldn't you?' Comparing that statement to the number of people who have wished death on everyone who voted for Trump is an exercise left to the reader.
Speaking of the MCU version of them, a fun piece of trivia is their Captain America doesn't get to fight any Nazis in the first movie. It's nearly all Hydra goons and kinda jarring if you pay attention to that. I don't recall if the Red Skull brought up any Nazi rhetoric though. This probably was a form of self-censorship to get it into international markets but I don't care enough to dig up interviews to confirm or deny that.

It's one of those things were people automatically assume a thing would be there but if you actually check, nope, your brain just filled in for the "missing" content.
 
Speaking of the MCU version of them, a fun piece of trivia is their Captain America doesn't get to fight any Nazis in the first movie. It's nearly all Hydra goons and kinda jarring if you pay attention to that. I don't recall if the Red Skull brought up any Nazi rhetoric though. This probably was a form of self-censorship to get it into international markets but I don't care enough to dig up interviews to confirm or deny that.

It's one of those things were people automatically assume a thing would be there but if you actually check, nope, your brain just filled in for the "missing" content.
MCU Hydra are more like the SS' science division and Red Skull seperated them into their own thing. It didn't help the high command was kinda wary of them having existed as a cult with their own agenda. They fleshed out some of the backstory in Agents of SHIELD among other things.
 
Actually no. In actual Comic History Hydra were in fact deadly foes of the Nazi's. Hydra and their spin off AIM were Far Leftists. Authoritarian Eastern European Communists. Created as an offshoot of Stalin's programs. With the involvement of some Captured German Scientists and such at the end of WW2. Comic Hydra was founded or operated by Baron Strucker. The Red Skull and his organizations were the Nazi's. Hydra and the Red Skull hated each other. The comics sometimes played around with the weird and often conflicted relationships between the various super villain groups. For example comic Baron Zemo (the bad guy from Captain America Civil War) is the Grandson of the original Baron Zemo a Red Skull ally. The current Zemo cast off the Nazi past and instead is a true Anarchist/Anti Corporatist. Who while battling Captain America also screws around with the Red Skull and Hydra's dealings.
This also led to some amusing interactions when various supervillains got together for teamups. Acts of Vengeance saw Magneto burying Red Skull alive. Super-Villain Team-Up #12 had Doom doing the same to Red Skull on the Moon (just gotta take it one step further, huh Victor?).

No, ol' Red Skull isn't well liked by his fellow supervillains.
 
I've never seen a supermarket sell comic books before; if they even bother to have a print section it's usually just some cheap paper backs and recent best sellers. Also, you ever have those Most Stuff oreos? They're so thick you can see the teeth marks you leave behind in the stuff.

Last time I saw comics in the supermarket was about 1994 when the local supermarkets still had spinner racks.
 
Speaking of the MCU version of them, a fun piece of trivia is their Captain America doesn't get to fight any Nazis in the first movie. It's nearly all Hydra goons and kinda jarring if you pay attention to that. I don't recall if the Red Skull brought up any Nazi rhetoric though. This probably was a form of self-censorship to get it into international markets but I don't care enough to dig up interviews to confirm or deny that.

It's one of those things were people automatically assume a thing would be there but if you actually check, nope, your brain just filled in for the "missing" content.

They explicitly separated Hydra from the Nazis purely for marketing, as Europe has very strict anti-Nazi laws that keep you from selling anything with Nazi logos on it. And marvel took a TON of shit, back in 1990 when they did a Red Skull trading card with the Nazi flag in the background.

They sort of handwave it in the first Cap film by establishing Hydra as the Nazi super-science division and explicitly revealing that Red Skull has been plotting to overthrow Hitler, going so far as killing his superiors when they notice a map Skull has in his war room with Berlin explicitly shown as one of the places in Europe Hydra plans to attack once they finalize perfecting their super science tech. And Winter Soldier pretty much stated that Hydra took full advantage of US programs to secret out Nazi scientists from Europe to help America against the Russians; with it implied that they used said secret programs to get to the US and infiltrate US government organizations, as part of a "deal with the devil" to beat the Soviets in the Cold War.

The comic is far more complicated: Hydra, when it debuted, was a Spectre type crime syndicate straight out of James Bond with it's founder being a boring, average executive assistant type who used his position working as a flunky for the rich and powerful to steal resources to form Hydra. His motive was a combination of class envy and anger of his wife's death (it's implied that she died because the founder was too poor to pay for an operation that could have saved her life). This guy died at the end of the first Hydra story.

Hydra resurfaced when Jim Sternako took over the Nick Fury Agent of SHIELD strip. It was Sternako who explicitly linked Hydra to Nazis, by bringing back Nick Fury's WW2 comic rival Baron Strucker and made him out to be the real head of Hydra (Sternako also killed Strucker off at the end of the story). However, Hydra lived on with Madam Hydra (aka Viper II); Madam Hydra/Viper was a war orphan from WW2 who suffered mild scarring while fleeing from unstated military forces. She turned to fascism/nhillism themed violent overthrow of the government rhetoric (depending on the writer) and later went freelance when she took the Viper name. Space Phantom (a changeling who manipulated Hulk's expulsion from the Avengers) then took over the role of leading Hydra while disguised while working for Kang/Immortus to terrorize the Avengers.

It wasn't until Captain America (IIRC) #144-148 that Red Skull officially got involved with Hydra, with the writer of the arc explicitly tying Hydra as Nazis (with Red Skull outright stating that the whole purpose of Hydra was to continue the goals of Nazism until the Nazis could 100% regroup and reform). It also handwaved the original Lee/Kirby, pre-Sternako Hydra by claiming that Stucker never told the original founder guy (retconned as a patsy for Strucker) that Hydra was a Nazi front and that other crime bosses involved with Hydra (like Kingpin) never knew the truth about Hydra being financed/founded by Nazis.

Later writers went back and forth between whether or not Strucker founded Hydra as his own or if Skull was always using Strucker as a puppet. One story explicitly stated that Strucker founded Hydra as a fuck you to Hitler/Red Skull after Red Skull had Strucker banished to the Pacific Theater to help Imperial Japan (saving him ironically, from being rounded up for trial after the war) while another story used time travel to outright state that Strucker only formed Hydra because Doctor Doom accidentally teleported WW2 era Strucker to the present and let it slip that Hitler was doomed to lose the war, which inspired Strucker to form Hydra to do what Hitler couldn't.

Nick Fury Vs Shield (which Winter Soldier drew on as well), further muddied the waters claiming that post-Strucker death Hydra was secretly controlled by SHIELD robots (and that Madam Hydra was a post with multiple women holding the role over the years). Also, various forces (Skull, Machinesmith) used robot versions of Strucker to further exploit what was left of Hydra.

It wasn't until the 1989 Nick Fury comic, that Strucker was properly brought back to life. He took control over Hydra's splintered forces, but it was a plot point that Strucker had to go hat in hand to Red Skull for funding money to keep Hydra afloat. Which officially put Red Skull over Hydra, though he was super hands off in the 90s. A 90s era comic also retconned the robots from Nick Fury vs SHIELD as being secretly under Hydra control all along, which 100% undercut the actual story from NFvS but was most likely done because NFvS was super unpopular when it came out.

Mark Millar meanwhile had a Japanese mutant named Gorgon take over Hydra with help from Strucker's previously unseen devil worshipping wife, who was cucking Strucker in front of everyone with Gorgon. They eventually murdered Strucker in the pages of Wolveine, but because Strucker was being heavily used in Thunderbolts (where Strucker was funding the post-Avengers Disassembled version of the team), Marvel retconned the Strucker that Millar was using in Wolverine as a surgically altered actor that Strucker's wife was parading around and humiliating as part of a schism between her and Gorgon and the real Strucker, who was busy messing with the thunderbolts and took over Hydra again after Wolverine eliminated his would be usurpers.

It was Jonathan Hickman who created the wholesale "Hydra was secretly running SHIELD all along in Secret Warriors, which he further retconned to Nick Fury was secretly controlling Hydra controlling SHIELD when the book was prematurely canceled, due to the backlash over the retcon. He also retconned SHIELD and Hydra as being ancient warring quasi-Illuminati clans, the later of which Strucker coopted, which Nick Spencer used as the basis for the false memories Skull implanted into Captain America's head when he turned Steve evil. It should also be noted, per the huge backlash against Hydra Cap, that Nick Spencer had to explicitly state that Steve's fake memories had him (along with Baron Heinrich Zemo and Baron Helmet Zemo) firmly part of the quasi-Illuminati side of Hydra and that Red Skull was part of a segment of Hydra that firmly sided with the Nazis, with Skull having authority over Steve and the Zemos.
 
They explicitly separated Hydra from the Nazis purely for marketing, as Europe has very strict anti-Nazi laws that keep you from selling anything with Nazi logos on it. And marvel took a TON of shit, back in 1990 when they did a Red Skull trading card with the Nazi flag in the background.

They sort of handwave it in the first Cap film by establishing Hydra as the Nazi super-science division and explicitly revealing that Red Skull has been plotting to overthrow Hitler, going so far as killing his superiors when they notice a map Skull has in his war room with Berlin explicitly shown as one of the places in Europe Hydra plans to attack once they finalize perfecting their super science tech. And Winter Soldier pretty much stated that Hydra took full advantage of US programs to secret out Nazi scientists from Europe to help America against the Russians; with it implied that they used said secret programs to get to the US and infiltrate US government organizations, as part of a "deal with the devil" to beat the Soviets in the Cold War.

The comic is far more complicated: Hydra, when it debuted, was a Spectre type crime syndicate straight out of James Bond with it's founder being a boring, average executive assistant type who used his position working as a flunky for the rich and powerful to steal resources to form Hydra. His motive was a combination of class envy and anger of his wife's death (it's implied that she died because the founder was too poor to pay for an operation that could have saved her life). This guy died at the end of the first Hydra story.

Hydra resurfaced when Jim Sternako took over the Nick Fury Agent of SHIELD strip. It was Sternako who explicitly linked Hydra to Nazis, by bringing back Nick Fury's WW2 comic rival Baron Strucker and made him out to be the real head of Hydra (Sternako also killed Strucker off at the end of the story). However, Hydra lived on with Madam Hydra (aka Viper II); Madam Hydra/Viper was a war orphan from WW2 who suffered mild scarring while fleeing from unstated military forces. She turned to fascism/nhillism themed violent overthrow of the government rhetoric (depending on the writer) and later went freelance when she took the Viper name. Space Phantom (a changeling who manipulated Hulk's expulsion from the Avengers) then took over the role of leading Hydra while disguised while working for Kang/Immortus to terrorize the Avengers.

It wasn't until Captain America (IIRC) #144-148 that Red Skull officially got involved with Hydra, with the writer of the arc explicitly tying Hydra as Nazis (with Red Skull outright stating that the whole purpose of Hydra was to continue the goals of Nazism until the Nazis could 100% regroup and reform). It also handwaved the original Lee/Kirby, pre-Sternako Hydra by claiming that Stucker never told the original founder guy (retconned as a patsy for Strucker) that Hydra was a Nazi front and that other crime bosses involved with Hydra (like Kingpin) never knew the truth about Hydra being financed/founded by Nazis.

Later writers went back and forth between whether or not Strucker founded Hydra as his own or if Skull was always using Strucker as a puppet. One story explicitly stated that Strucker founded Hydra as a fuck you to Hitler/Red Skull after Red Skull had Strucker banished to the Pacific Theater to help Imperial Japan (saving him ironically, from being rounded up for trial after the war) while another story used time travel to outright state that Strucker only formed Hydra because Doctor Doom accidentally teleported WW2 era Strucker to the present and let it slip that Hitler was doomed to lose the war, which inspired Strucker to form Hydra to do what Hitler couldn't.

Nick Fury Vs Shield (which Winter Soldier drew on as well), further muddied the waters claiming that post-Strucker death Hydra was secretly controlled by SHIELD robots (and that Madam Hydra was a post with multiple women holding the role over the years). Also, various forces (Skull, Machinesmith) used robot versions of Strucker to further exploit what was left of Hydra.

It wasn't until the 1989 Nick Fury comic, that Strucker was properly brought back to life. He took control over Hydra's splintered forces, but it was a plot point that Strucker had to go hat in hand to Red Skull for funding money to keep Hydra afloat. Which officially put Red Skull over Hydra, though he was super hands off in the 90s. A 90s era comic also retconned the robots from Nick Fury vs SHIELD as being secretly under Hydra control all along, which 100% undercut the actual story from NFvS but was most likely done because NFvS was super unpopular when it came out.

Mark Millar meanwhile had a Japanese mutant named Gorgon take over Hydra with help from Strucker's previously unseen devil worshipping wife, who was cucking Strucker in front of everyone with Gorgon. They eventually murdered Strucker in the pages of Wolveine, but because Strucker was being heavily used in Thunderbolts (where Strucker was funding the post-Avengers Disassembled version of the team), Marvel retconned the Strucker that Millar was using in Wolverine as a surgically altered actor that Strucker's wife was parading around and humiliating as part of a schism between her and Gorgon and the real Strucker, who was busy messing with the thunderbolts and took over Hydra again after Wolverine eliminated his would be usurpers.

It was Jonathan Hickman who created the wholesale "Hydra was secretly running SHIELD all along in Secret Warriors, which he further retconned to Nick Fury was secretly controlling Hydra controlling SHIELD when the book was prematurely canceled, due to the backlash over the retcon. He also retconned SHIELD and Hydra as being ancient warring quasi-Illuminati clans, the later of which Strucker coopted, which Nick Spencer used as the basis for the false memories Skull implanted into Captain America's head when he turned Steve evil. It should also be noted, per the huge backlash against Hydra Cap, that Nick Spencer had to explicitly state that Steve's fake memories had him (along with Baron Heinrich Zemo and Baron Helmet Zemo) firmly part of the quasi-Illuminati side of Hydra and that Red Skull was part of a segment of Hydra that firmly sided with the Nazis, with Skull having authority over Steve and the Zemos.
Posts like these are a reason we should have an "autistic but the fun kind" rating. A Jaimas rating in other words.
 
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Comic book publisher Devil’s Due will launch a brand new one-shot comic book featuring Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

The book, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the Freshman Force: New Party, Who Dis?, is the brain child of Devil’s Due publisher Josh Blaylock.

According to Ocasio Comic, the series will feature contributions from Marguerite Dabaie, Jill Thompson, Dean Haspiel, Jose Garibaldi, Tim Seeley and others. The book will be an anthology and will also feature “thematic workbook activities and games.” The cover is done by Tim Seeley and Josh Blaylock.
There will also be a variant cover by Seeley and Blaylock.

The story will see Ocasio-Cortez taking on the establishment.

Blaylock spoke to Newsarama about the book:
“It’s no secret that AOC has become the unofficial leader of the new school, and has sparked life back into Washington and that’s reflected in the enthusiasm on display by the men and women contributing to this project. While we all don’t agree on everything, we share a common excitement for the breath of fresh air the new Congress brings. I hope this is as much a cathartic release for readers as it has been for us creators.”
He added:
“This time around, we wanted to create something that celebrates the fresh new energy and diversity of the stagnated legislative body, and help some good causes at the same time.”​
Partial proceeds for the book will go to the United Service Organization and Raices Texas. Raices Texas describes itself as a nonprofit “that promotes justice by providing free and low-cost legal services to underserved immigrant children, families, and refugees.” They also tout they are the “largest immigration legal services provider in Texas.”
Devil’s Due Comics is no stranger to producing political comics they previously published Barack the Barbarian by Larry Hammer, Josh Blaylock, Chris Schons, and Hoyt Silva.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/02/22/devils-due-to-publish-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-comic-book/


That's one way to bring asses into comic shops I suppose.

"Problematic"..."Bible comics and dental hygeine propaganda"...how?
Dunno, but I'm wondering if this is why Englentine called it one of the worst comics he's ever read?
 
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Marvel retconned the Strucker that Millar was using in Wolverine as a surgically altered actor that Strucker's wife was parading around and humiliating as part of a schism between her and Gorgon and the real Strucker, who was busy messing with the thunderbolts and took over Hydra again after Wolverine eliminated his would be usurpers.

Worth adding that this information of hydra killed wolverine and resurrected him as a brainwashed killing machine, sending him to kill and resurrect other heroes. It was an insane, violent, rediculously fun romp that feels like it came out 100 years ago.

“Autistic but fun” hits it right on the head.
 
Out-and-out propaganda with that Alexandria comic. These people have floated in a bubble out of the stratosphere and are beyond help.

Comics are just the dumping ground for every bad idea now. Good thing I was never invested in them outside of slice-of-life funnies.
 
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