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Just sharing this and in agreement to what @PocketJacks had to say in the video.

Posing with someone who's been haphazardly calling people white supremacists and alt-right to get them deplatformed to ruin them got him flak from said people. Shocking.
 
Just sharing this and in agreement to what @PocketJacks had to say in the video.

I'm just going to leave this here.
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Posing with someone who's been haphazardly calling people white supremacists and alt-right to get them deplatformed to ruin them got him flak from said people. Shocking.
I think Renfamous is a disgusting sack of festering garbage... but, as a businessman, I would take her money if she bought my products.
 
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I think Renfamous is a disgusting sack of festering garbage... but, as a businessman, I would take her money if she bought my products.
I know Renfamous has her issues. No one is perfect. None of us are. Some of us are on different levels of "asshole". I would have to say that right now a lot of so called people who claim to be better than Ren are actually a lot worse behaved right now which would include TUG, Ethan, and a majority of the people who for stupid reasons still stick with them. I don't blame anyone for no longer wanting anything to do with them. It's why I no longer follow TUG, and it is his own doing and behavior that had me back away before a lot of other things I have found out about him.

This here is pretty telling as well and point on. I don't consider ComicsGate winning. Ethan sure as shit isn't better than DC, or Marvel, or anyone else actually. I mean just because he might be making lots of money doesn't mean it is a good thing or winning especially not with the way he is doing it. I mean hell people said TLJ made lots of money and it was a shit movie. Ethan may be making money, but he is still a very shitty person. Money is not everything either especially if you trade in all morale and such for it. No thank you. I and anyone else who doesn't join in on his cult are better off.


 
I know Renfamous has her issues. No one is perfect. None of us are. Some of us are on different levels of "asshole". I would have to say that right now a lot of so called people who claim to be better than Ren are actually a lot worse behaved right now which would include TUG, Ethan, and a majority of the people who for stupid reasons still stick with them. I don't blame anyone for no longer wanting anything to do with them. It's why I no longer follow TUG, and it is his own doing and behavior that had me back away before a lot of other things I have found out about him.

This here is pretty telling as well and point on. I don't consider ComicsGate winning. Ethan sure as shit isn't better than DC, or Marvel, or anyone else actually. I mean just because he might be making lots of money doesn't mean it is a good thing or winning especially not with the way he is doing it. I mean hell people said TLJ made lots of money and it was a shit movie. Ethan may be making money, but he is still a very shitty person. Money is not everything either especially if you trade in all morale and such for it. No thank you. I and anyone else who doesn't join in on his cult are better off.


I don't disagree with your take on Ethan. He's a terrible businessman and completely lacks any integrity when it comes to business... but... Renfamous is awful. Absolutely awful.
 
"Gosh - you thought having Tony Stark running SHIELD was bad? Wait until we hand it over to Norman Osbourne!"



Having the Elektra-Skrull revert to her true form upon death created a major plot hole:

How come she (technically a he) went back to their Skrull form upon death, when the Skrull that replaced Mockingbird and died in her place in Avengers West Coast #100 did not? As you said, Secret Invasion felt like Bendis was just writing to be shocking and edgy, and did not fucking put any thought into the whole thing.

1. Norman taking over SHIELD was more Marvel fucking up when it came to popular political trends. They truly thought Obama was going to lose, so Dark Reign was designed for maximum liberal brownie points related to Bendis and company writing Norman as an evil John McCain stand-in to get liberal brownie points via having four more years of conservative reign being a literal "Dark Reign". Which they had to back peddle on ASAP, to the point of having Obama appear on camera in Thunderbolts to openly state that Bush appointed Norman in charge of all things Super-Hero as one of his final acts as President to avoid dealing with the implications that Norman and all of the bad shit he would be doing, was Obama's fault.

(Ironically, they couldn't change their marketing plans in time for an Obama win; they took a lot of shit for the initial Dark Reign marketing blitz, which was a right wing esque "He Won, We Lost, We're All Fucked" type promo campaign that was pretty much similar to how conservatives reacted to Obama's win)

2. IIRC the answer given (by Brevoort in an interview) was that Mockingbird's Skrull double was killed by mystical means (energy blast from literal Satan Mephisto) and as such, why she didn't transform. A lot harder to explain away, was the fact that Bobbie was seen in Hell multiple times over the years and her being in hell a major plot point for Hellcat's resurrection when they brought her back.

Also, for another fun fact: Dark Reign was never supposed to end. Bendis and his ilk were planning to keep it as the defacto status quo with no end in sight. Ironically, it only ended because of Disney; as part of a list of things they demanded Marvel do after the purchase, in exchange for them giving the company leyway in relations to not micromanaging them to hell and back.
 
2. IIRC the answer given (by Brevoort in an interview) was that Mockingbird's Skrull double was killed by mystical means (energy blast from literal Satan Mephisto) and as such, why she didn't transform. A lot harder to explain away, was the fact that Bobbie was seen in Hell multiple times over the years and her being in hell a major plot point for Hellcat's resurrection when they brought her back.

That at least could be explained as the Mockingbird - Skrull being so deep in cover that it continued to believe it was Bobbi even after "her" death. (Many of the sleeper Skrulls fully believed they were the person they were impersonating - at least until their real form was exposed or they were "activated")
 
So, Ethan is doing a variant for vestige according to his live stream next week (will provide a time stamp if the stream kept up) doesn't he have 2 or 3 variants he still have to finish? I enjoy ethan's content (mostly high council and streams with zack) but he should stop doing variants for every cg books and fulfill on the books that isn't fulfilled or else he will end up as ben henderson.
 
Ironically, Whitebeard (Kiwi) is dead and Akainu (War Campaign) is still alive.
You must have missed the part where Whitebeard, a 70 year old and dying man, kicked the ever living piss out of Akainu and cracked Marineford in half. Not to mention Garp nearly killing him.

So, Ethan is doing a variant for vestige according to his live stream next week (will provide a time stamp if the stream kept up) doesn't he have 2 or 3 variants he still have to finish? I enjoy ethan's content (mostly high council and streams with zack) but he should stop doing variants for every cg books and fulfill on the books that isn't fulfilled or else he will end up as ben henderson.
Ethan has six variant covers, not including Vampirella. None of which he has finished because he hasn't sent the ashcans yet. Say what you want about Ben Henderson, but RAVAGE actually shipped. Ethan is such a bad businessman that he made his customers who paid more for the ashcans and bought in early wait the longest. Currently, he's selling CyberFrog collector coins for $200. You know, the type of thing you'd see on a cheap infomercial.
 
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Ethan has six variant covers, not including Vampirella. None of which he has finished because he hasn't sent the ashcans yet. Say what you want about Ben Henderson, but RAVAGE actually shipped. Ethan is such a bad businessman that he made his customers who paid more for the ashcans and bought in early wait the longest. Currently, he's selling CyberFrog collector coins for $200. You know, the type of thing you'd see on a cheap infomercial.
The guy bought a new house and a bunch of things, he has no money left to fullfill his very first crowdfunded campaign, give him a break ! It's a pretty good idea to sell shitcoins at a 5000x markup to cover the costs of past failur... Successes !

Some of his own backers on his indiegogo living near him in NJ states he delivered some of these first copies a little while ago to his local comic book shop but still haven't shipped any of the very first / original batches with that cover to anyone. (He only shipped the salamander variant cover to his backers as of now, it's pretty suspicious as there is still no one that received the very first / original version from the first indiegogo.)

I wonder if it's because it's still better to sell these copies a 2nd time to clueless people and rake in 2x the money ! That's a bold 3head move. Good Job Ethan !

PS : I'm an idiot with prime experience for being a backer of these two campaigns :) that i only received the variant cover with a bunch of cards, the whole thing still unopened. Gonna be reselling on ebay for a loss like many, many others. Yeah, i know, i fucked up trusting these guys. I did just slid the book out of the plastic to read the story and man... Was it boring as fuck... I read webcomics that are much more fun randomly on the internets. No wonder everyone tries to resell it at a loss as fast as possible.
 
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I'm an idiot with prime experience for being a backer of these two campaigns :) that i only received the variant cover with a bunch of cards, the whole thing still unopened. Gonna be reselling on ebay for a loss like many, many others. Yeah, i know, i fucked up trusting these guys. I did just slid the book out of the plastic to read the story and man... Was it boring as fuck... I read webcomics that are much more fun randomly on the internets. No wonder everyone tries to resell it at a loss as fast as possible.
Welcome to the club. Should have listened to SWC.
 


Charges of sabotage have been swirling around Mitch Breitweiser’s campaign for The Futurists: Noah’s Saga. The project is currently on Indiegogo and is tracking to finish at $37,500. While nothing to sneeze at, this represents a decline of $126,000 or 78% from his previous performance of Red Rooster which remains unfulfilled and is well over its March promise date.

Such a decline is no doubt disappointing to the Breitweisers who have recently announced on the Updates page for Red Rooster that Allegiance arts has entered into a partnership with a well known retailer, most likely Wal-Mart, to deliver over a million comic books. As indicated in the Indiegogo update, this has necessitated a major investment of funds in order to, “…build the teams, create the titles, create the company, hire and train staff, scout talent, negotiate contracts, invent a marketing campaign, produce assets, and so much more.”

As so, amid this decline came charges of the project being a target of interference from outside parties who wish to see the project fail. Initially came the claim from Mitch Breitweiser that he was the victim of a blackmail attempt which appears to have been in relation to former YouTuber Late Night Comics who had nudes of his wife that he was releasing. That controversy came and went with little impact on support levels for The Futurists.

Critics on social media have suggested that Mr. Shannon’s association with the well known trouble makers of War Campaign may prove problematic if brought to the attention of the large scale retailers through which Mr. Breitweiser intends to distribute. Furthermore, Mr. Breitweiser’s update indicated that he was seeking “startup capital” in order to make the necessary investments which begs the question of what happened to the money he raised for the Red Rooster campaign.

More recently, Ethan Van Sciver has spun a new conspiracy theory claiming on a livesteam that saboteurs are seeking to bring down the project in part by targeting colorist Kelsey Shannon. Mr. Van Sciver has said he intends to release the name of these conspirators at a later date. An anonymous source contacted me and related the names that Mr. Van Sciver intends to finger and claimed that this conspiracy theory is an attempt to bolster sales for The Futurists campaign.

Given Mr. Shannon’s connections to War Campaign and Mr. Van Sciver’s full throated support for the project, a failure to raise funds comparable to last time or, worse still, to fail to deliver entirely would damage the reputation of the Comicsgate brand for which Mr. Van Sciver has been acting as gatekeeper.
 
As so, amid this decline came charges of the project being a target of interference from outside parties who wish to see the project fail. Initially came the claim from Mitch Breitweiser that he was the victim of a blackmail attempt which appears to have been in relation to former YouTuber Late Night Comics who had nudes of his wife that he was releasing. That controversy came and went with little impact on support levels for The Futurists.
Just the fact that he brought up a year-old "nothing" of a blackmail attempt speaks volumes about the desperation and distraction that Mitch and others are trying to whip up because Red Rooster is a disaster and they bit off way more than they could chew.
The "blackmail" was a year-old PUBLIC joke tweet from Late Night Comics saying "Hey give me dirt on Ethan or else I'll make public the nudie pics of your wife that all CGers jerk off to". It was a PUBLIC tweet meant as a needling joke. It was like when Trump joked in public "Hey Russia, maybe you can find Hillary's missing emails?" LNC wasn't seriously intending any blackmail. I would strongly assume that there was no private folder of nude pictures of Mitch's wife. The whole thing was said in public. It doesn't honestly read like a serious attempt from LNC to get dirt on Ethan from Mitch. What dirt, anyway? The whole thing was a stupid crass joke.
Mitch brings it up a YEAR later and uses it as an excuse for why Red Rooster isn't anywhere close to finished even though it's nearly a year late? Fuck off. Get back to work.

I don't see how Kelsey Shannon being internet friends with War Campaign would matter to Wal-Mart. I don't see it. They're not going to care. Do you think they give a shit? They sell DVDs featuring actors who have called for the death of the president and violent revolution against the bourgeoisie. They don't fucking care. Madonna talked about blowing up the White House. They sell her CDs. How many hip-hop albums feature contributions from criminals or from people who fraternize with other people who do terrible things? Has anyone in War Campaign flippantly called for mass murder on Twitter? Because a ton of random people do that on Twitter all the time, and I bet some of them have connections to Wal-Mart suppliers.
The idea of contacting Wal-Mart about Kelsey's behavior* is bad, wrong and stupid. I don't approve of it. It does seem like SJW tactics. But it's no real threat. If the Breitweisers are worried about it interfering with their business, they're really dumb. I doubt they're seriously worried. Imagine some sperg calling up Wal-Mart and being like "Hey one of the dozen people involved in some deal you did--no one you've ever heard of, no one you'll ever hear of again--is friends with meanies online. Not terrorists. Not convicted harassers. Just meanies. Sooo... think you could cancel your business deal?"
Absurd. Not gonna happen. Try again. Pull the other one.

*Not even Kelsey's own behavior. It's about his connection to other people who behaved badly. No one fucking cares.

Posing with someone who's been haphazardly calling people white supremacists and alt-right to get them deplatformed to ruin them got him flak from said people. Shocking.
Okay, then why don't you apply that to Ethan and Richard's behavior?
Ethan did friendly interviews with Mark Waid and Dan Slott during the winter of 2017/2018, right before he left DC and joined/took over CG. This was AFTER Waid and Slott had called customers (i.e. YOU) white supremacists, Nazis, scum, etc. Ethan did friendly interviews with them. That's more than Pocket Jacks did; he just took a picture. Personally, I don't even blame Ethan for those interviews. He was trying to be nice, trying to find common ground, trying to bring those guys around. Still, this was AFTER the "Milkshake Incident". This was well into the nastiness from pros against comicsgate and against customers in general. Ethan made nice with the enemy at least as much as Pocket Jacks did. *obnoxious shrug emoji*
Well into 2018 I also remember Ethan making apologetic and mitigating comments about Heather Antos and Mags Visaggio. He said various combinations of statements like "Well she's seemed nice to me. I'd like to interview her. I think she does like comics and is probably a good person." Again, I don't necessarily have a problem with those statements. But that was well into the "battle against SJWs" or whatever, and that was way more than anything Preston did or said regarding Renfamous, who...

BY THE WAY

BY THE WAY

...Renfamous only has power because CG gave her power and let her live in their heads. Particularly EVS and TUG talked about her endlessly. They needed an SJW boogieman, and she was the one they leaned on. Ethan has blocked customers asking for refunds, but he didn't block Ren. He needed Ren. EVS and TUG platformed Ren so they could make use of her for drama clicks. 50/50 on whether or not they consciously realized what they did, or if they're just that addicted and stupid. They're such terrible leaders that you can't really even say for sure.

But, speaking of people who are so dumb you can't tell if their mistakes are deliberate or not, because you don't want to believe that someone can be that stupid: Richard was even worse in regards to "helping the enemy" or whatever. HE RECOMMENDS SJW COMICS, FFS! He's recommended buying comics by all these people! He recommends that his audience buy Mark Waid comics, Ta-Nahesi Coates comics, Gail Simone comics, etc etc etc. He even recommended a Ms Marvel Annual written by Mags Visaggio! How the fuck is THAT not FAR worse than just taking a picture with Renfamous under the auspices of "We don't have to hate each other constantly"?
It's particularly weird that Zack does this, because Ethan staunchly refuses to buy or recommend Big Two comics, especially not Marvel comics. He doesn't even like the idea of the Drawn & Quarterly guys drawing Marvel or DC characters on livestreams for fun, because in a way that is giving promo to the companies that are the enemy. I basically agree with him on this. It's one of his best takes, imo. So then why does his bestie "Zack" (you know, they're supposedly longtime real-life friends, but he consistently calls him by a fake name for some reason; very strange)--Why does Zack keep recommending comics from people who have actually sworn vengeance against him? Out of some perverse sense of "fair play". Fucking cuck. Like when John McCain shamed his supporters for saying that Obama was anything less than a "nice family man". Fucking loser. It's like they want to lose.
Even if Marvel does put out a good comic, CG and Richard in particular should shut the fuck up about it. Marvel does not deserve promo or forgiveness; they've never said they were sorry.

Anyway, Preston is kind of cringey because his voice is so squeaky. And I have no interest in his comics. There, I said it. Now will Preston sperg out on here like Ethan would, doing a whole damage-control nice guy act? Doubtful.
That right there proves who's more like a control-freak SJW.

Preston's comics don't make as much as Mitch's? Well at least Preston actually produces comics, instead of absconding with $200k without turning in work.
Preston's comics don't make as much as EVS's, so he shouldn't talk about them? Okay, cool, then that means EVS can't criticize Star Wars until he makes a movie that grosses as much as The Last Jedi.
 
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I'm actually more concerned about the ashcans and headsketches for cyberfrog. ethan's not addressing any questions WHY the ashcans aren't ready yet. My completely uneducated guess is the worst case scenario: he's still drawing it and the pages he's posting on twitter (the ones with heather) are actually the ashcan pages and not cyberfrog 2.

for the headsketches I feel sorry for those who ordered, it seems they will be waiting for a very long time. Ethan doesn't necessarily have the best track record on fulfilling commission in the past and if that's any indication then all the headsketches won't be finished until mid 2020.
 
Welcome to the club. Should have listened to SWC.
Thanks for the pointer, their discord is very disorganized and they seem to be sarcastic about everything, it's a bit clustered but there is a lot of spicy takes and very good analysis of the latest Mitch coming out about "muh making an entire corporation about a shitty comic that wasn't even a third as successfull as cuberfrog, training people to do, huh, what, hiring entire teams of, advertisers, because we gonna make this huge about just one stupid franchise man" and they aren't wrong about this, it's fucking ridiculous to think anyone would want a million copies of that boring looking red looser. I mean, who the fuck fantasize about being a fucking rooster to begin with ? Exactly. No one. It sounds like your typical scammer's excuse to delay once more something long past due.

That new "Kelsey Shannon" shitshow is another self made excuse, at this rate, it's getting tiresome to keep track of these embiterred grannies arguments they have every night against each others to excuse their pathetic non-qualifying behavior as professionnals, that just shows, they aren't "pro" at anything (but bitching pathetically instead of drawing anything substantially remarkable) and then showing they don't have the sufficient real "professionalism" and reserve to be called any bit of that.

On top of that they get their own long time audience and supporters, getting completely burn out by their behavior and endless complaining. The longer you've been following them , especially Ethan, you start to realise the retardation of his endless repeating schema / pathologic repeating of attacks of anything and anyone that is slightly against him or has the slightest criticism about what he's doing. Goes to show how controlled he wish his shit was and everytime it's not he sends his warcampaign goons doing the job on his behalf.

And that's from someone that has been there on his channel from almost 2 years already and following that trainwreck almost everyday "faithfully" at first for almost a year before getting burned out and seeing through Ethan's passive agressive little blackmail talk and snitching of everybody on twitter, the guy truely has problems i'm sorry to say.
 
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it seems they will be waiting for a very long time

I think Ethan was on livestreams for at least six of the 24 hours from noon yesterday to noon today. He was on last night. He was on with Cecil this morning. Then after that he was on for at least an hour and a half on his own channel, bitching about Edwin Boyette with a couple of his dick sucking sycophants, Plus he's been tweeting a fair amount. I'm sure all of that leads to amphibians getting drawn.

As an aside, and speaking of dick sucking sycophants, did anyone get a copy of the Micah Curtis video where he did nothing but whine and bitch for a half hour? I think I laughed harder at this video than I have at any I've watched in a while. Sadly, he seems to have taken it down. He was threatening to delete his channel, REEEING about how the YouTube algorithm is keeping his absolutely unique comment from discovery, how he was gonna rebrand to do gaming (since nobody on YouTube does that now, apparently) and so on. He's also apparently losing subs and was very salty about that, too. ("40 in the past week alone! I wish I could speak to them!") I'm kicking myself that I didn't download it, or even think about it, since I watched it at about 2 AM. A CGer at their most exceptional. Perhaps lost forever.
 
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