#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Mister Dongs]

Why would you even write that kind of storyline with Green Lantern?

It was the 1990s and after Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns and the rise of Image, that's what publishers and writers felt the audience wanted and were updating their franchises accordingly.

To put the story in context, this was following the death of the established Green Lantern Hal Jordan, who went insane from grief after the city he protected for decades was destroyed by the mad Cyborg Superman, after the real Superman was graphically bludgeoned to death by some brainless rock monster. This set off an arc where Hal Jordan went rogue and slaughtered nearly all of his fellow Green Lantern corps Chris Dorner-style in a futile mission to amass enough power to will Coast City back to life before dying as a genocidal maniac and his legacy falling to Rayner to be redeemed. So Green Lantern's girlfriend being ripped to shreds and stuffed in a fridge by an asshole cyborg wanting to piss him off wasn't that far outside of standard fare for the time.

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First there was the wave of idealized superheroes like Superman, Batman, Flash etc, followed by the humanized heroes of Marvel in the 1960s and then the "grittified" heroes of the 1990s like Spawn, the Maxx, Cyberfrog, etc.

 

[Jaimas]

I'm not really surprised we got a Anti-Comicsgate version of Geordie Tait, I'm just surprised it didn't happen sooner.

Edit: All right, saw this thing and had to comment.

Meanwhile, at Atomic Basement Comics...

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....This is both Autistic as fuck and completely counterproductive. People like Wellman live in a world where they percieve even tangential disagreement with them as proof that everyone's against them, and that any criticism of them isn't a learning experience, it's an outright attack on not only him, but his entire belief structure. Going on the offense against Wellman not only shows blatant hypocrisy (through doing exactly the sort of behavior the comics pro crowd does), but solidifies his belief that the demons in his head are real and they talk to him via Twitter shitposting.

What I'm getting at is that people like Wellman exist because they're attention whores. You know, a lot like a lot of people who shall remain nameless and may or may not be lurking this thread. They want to provoke a reaction with making retarded statements, and the best way to drain anything resembling dignity from their attempt is to not take them remotely seriously.

 

[AnOminous]

I'm not really surprised we got a Anti-Comicsgate version of Geordie Tait, I'm just surprised it didn't happen sooner.

He was the biggest nutcase never to get his own thread.

 

[Jaimas]

He was the biggest nutcase never to get his own thread.

Candle burns twice as bright burns half as long.

Got himself banned from everywhere immediately, eventually came back, and now just spergs about Trump.

I do find it interesting that after advocating outright genocide he got unbanned though.

 

[Jub-Jub]

Ethan recently revealed that Mike S Miller owes Kyle Ritter payment on four delivered cover art colouring jobs, and now Mike is upset and trying to shame Kyle.

 

[Dafuqisdis?]

Ethan recently revealed that Mike S Miller owes Kyle Ritter payment on four delivered cover art colouring jobs, and now Mike is upset and trying to shame Kyle.
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LOL correct me if I'm wrong but indiegogo gives you the money as soon as you close your fundraiser, not when you fulfill. That's the whole point of crowdfunding, so you can get the funds you need for your project.

This dude needs to give Kyle his money.

 

[Jub-Jub]

LOL correct me if I'm wrong but indiegogo gives you the money as soon as you close your fundraiser, not when you fulfill. That's the whole point of crowdfunding, so you can get the funds you need for your project.

This dude needs to give Kyle his money.

Indiegogo faq says 15 business days after closure of campaign and will hold 5% incase of refunds and chargebacks.

When Do I Get My Money?

Indiegogo will send a disbursement to your bank account within 15 business days after your campaign ends, provided your bank account information is correct and accurate. Indiegogo offers two types ...

support.indiegogo.com

Mike's had 4 campaigns on IGG totaling $377,206 minus IGG cut and chargeback % that's still $339k to fulfill his books and pay his contractors. Maybe they would hold one of his campaigns for prior non fulfillment (in order to prevent scammers), but AFAIK crowdfunding sites don't hold money because they'd start to fall into banking laws and grey areas. There's no way in hell they earn enough money for that headache.

Frankly i wouldn't be surprised if he dumped most of the intake into bitcoin in a harebrained get rich scheme.

 

[Dafuqisdis?]

Indiegogo faq says 15 business days after closure of campaign and will hold 5% incase of refunds and chargebacks.

When Do I Get My Money?

Indiegogo will send a disbursement to your bank account within 15 business days after your campaign ends, provided your bank account information is correct and accurate. Indiegogo offers two types ...

support.indiegogo.com

Mike's had 4 campaigns on IGG totaling $377,206 minus IGG cut and chargeback % that's still $339k to fulfill his books and pay his contractors. Maybe they would hold one of his campaigns for prior non fulfillment (in order to prevent scammers), but AFAIK crowdfunding sites don't hold money because they'd start to fall into banking laws and grey areas. There's no way in hell they earn enough money for that headache.

Frankly i wouldn't be surprised if he dumped most of the intake into bitcoin in a harebrained get rich scheme.

Oh wait, I think I remember something now - he won't get the funds because he didn't fulfill his last project. I think I remember hearing something about that, maybe I'm just imagining things, I haven't been paying close attention.

But if that's the case then it's still his fault entirely, anyway.

 

[TowinKarz]

It was the 1990s and after Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns and the rise of Image, that's what publishers and writers felt the audience wanted and were updating their franchises accordingly.

Those who were not alive or of reading comics age in the early to mid 90's can't understand the raw GRIT that they put into comics, how DARK the dark age really was.

Imagine the SJW overload today, but instead of dangerhairs and bisexual heroes, we had blood and violence and titties. The publishers became convinced that uplifting stories, virtuous characters and flawed but noble heroes were all outdated, last century, the kind of comic your Dad would read. Saturday-morning cartoon heroes like classic Aquaman have no place in the world today, the lantern-jawed justice and truth hero is a symptom of the rosy-eyed stupidity that led us to the hell that is 1991, where we are hurtling towards a Mad Max-like existance thanks to Republican government and hypocritical church ladies.

What the younguns needed today was a dose of hard reality, if you had superpowers, let's face it, you wouldn't become a Super boy scout, you'd twist the head off everyone who annoyed you, and that would be a GOOD thing. This modern world is nothing but sick, amoral, violent, fornicators or their enablers, there are no innocents. The only "hero" for this world is one who'd go out and murder wantonly until the world learned to stop being so awful, or because there is no better future in play, just settle the scores before the sun burns out and everyone dies anyway......

And every single hero was either twisted to fit this paradigm, or, if they wouldn't fit, they themselves were murdered to get them out o the way (Superman) or knocked out and replaced by an heir to the mantle who WOULD be the dark, gritty and proper hero the original wouldn't (Batman).

So it's no surprise that "happy" titles like Flash or Green Lantern suddenly found the bodies starting to stack up.

 

[Tyne]

"Puppy killing and mother beating aside",

I spent nearly every red cent I had getting those puppies the best care possible. Then I hand raised them. Then I rehomed them, all seven, to loving homes when the vet said there was no assurance they'd survive. There is plenty of evidence of this but you continue to say I killed the puppies. They're all alive, well and happy. Second, I never beat my mother. You keep accusing me of crimes of Liam Cameron Gray. My middle name is NOT Cameron. There are THREE Liam Grays that live in the Hunter Valley. I am not at my former address because it is infected with Parvo and will cost me over ten thousand dollars to get the acreage treated.

"the way the guy see's himself is pure cringe."

You're totally entiled to feel this way. However, please do not continue to spread lies about me beating my mother and killing puppies. I'd never do that!

"If anyone wants an example of what I mean go look in the Dramawhores and Hanger On containment thread and check the posts of @Tyne (who is Gray). Page long essays on how he is going to save the comic industry and be the savior to children in Australia, the guy has a few nuts and bolts loose."

Yeah, don't read or have full comprehension of complex situations my fellow kids. Believe propaganda and bullshit. Accept the crap people spoonfeed you and don't try to make a positive change in this world. Allow the rabid identitarians to control the creative networks of your country and continue to brainwash the youth of your nation. Don't resist. Don't offer alternatives. Just accept it.

Fuck you, man.

 

[FROG]

LOL correct me if I'm wrong but indiegogo gives you the money as soon as you close your fundraiser, not when you fulfill. That's the whole point of crowdfunding, so you can get the funds you need for your project.

This dude needs to give Kyle his money.

That's right.

Indiegogo has been really good to ComicsGate. A user with a history of fulfillment (which Mike does have, he fulfilled LONESTAR 1 and THE MEG) will receive disbursements without question. I still owe fulfillment on UNFROGETTABLE TALES, but if I let REKT PLANET end next week instead of adding another 30 days, IGG would disburse that money into my business account with no questions asked.

Because I've fulfilled 9 campaigns successfully already.

So Mike was almost definitely paid out for LONESTAR 2 ($179,089 minus fees) and LONESTAR REDUX ($20,040 minus fees).

I think Indiegogo would probably let him do another one, but Mike is knocking on Kickstarter's door instead, probably afraid to push his luck.

So Mike shouldn't be using "disbursement" as an excuse...and he shouldn't be using "my printer closed down" as an excuse either. There are still printers up and working right now.

In my opinion, he's lying, and it's pretty strange that he left Twitter and is swearing Kyle Ritter to secrecy about his cash flow issues.

 

[Analog Devolved]

That's right.

Indiegogo has been really good to ComicsGate. A user with a history of fulfillment (which Mike does have, he fulfilled LONESTAR 1 and THE MEG) will receive disbursements without question. I still owe fulfillment on UNFROGETTABLE TALES, but if I let REKT PLANET end next week instead of adding another 30 days, IGG would disburse that money into my business account with no questions asked.

Because I've fulfilled 9 campaigns successfully already.

So Mike was almost definitely paid out for LONESTAR 2 ($179,089 minus fees) and LONESTAR REDUX ($20,040 minus fees).

I think Indiegogo would probably let him do another one, but Mike is knocking on Kickstarter's door instead, probably afraid to push his luck.

So Mike shouldn't be using "disbursement" as an excuse...and he shouldn't be using "my printer closed down" as an excuse either. There are still printers up and working right now.

In my opinion, he's lying, and it's pretty strange that he left Twitter and is swearing Kyle Ritter to secrecy about his cash flow issues.

Anyone expecting to get paid by Mike Miller has deluded themselves. The guy absolutely cannot be trusted with money.
When Abacus comics went belly up years ago no one got paid. Mike most likely already blew the money on what amounts to a comics multi level marketing scheme.
Is Miller lying? Fuck yes he is. For all his talk about Jesus the guy is two faced and shady as hell. He hired Kyle Ritter and should have the money to pay him based on the margins of cash from the campaigns he's already fulfilled.
Doing people dirty like this is guaranteed that leaks like these emails will happen.
So far we haven't seen anyone complain that EVS hasn't paid them, and you better believe Ethan is getting his money for all these variant covers.
The smart thing to do with Miller is demand payment up front, otherwise you take it in your "backhole".

 

[verissimus]

Ethan recently revealed that Mike S Miller owes Kyle Ritter payment on four delivered cover art colouring jobs, and now Mike is upset and trying to shame Kyle.
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What's the date on this because if it isn't recent never mind authentic, then why would I be inclined not to believe EVS has been sitting on this just to stir more drama?

@Tyne who the hek are you and what are you whining about?

 

[FROG]

Anyone expecting to get paid by Mike Miller has deluded themselves. The guy absolutely cannot be trusted with money.
When Abacus comics went belly up years ago no one got paid. Mike most likely already blew the money on what amounts to a comics multi level marketing scheme.
Is Miller lying? Fuck yes he is. For all his talk about Jesus the guy is two faced and shady as hell. He hired Kyle Ritter and should have the money to pay him based on the margins of cash from the campaigns he's already fulfilled.
Doing people dirty like this is guaranteed that leaks like these emails will happen.
So far we haven't seen anyone complain that EVS hasn't paid them, and you better believe Ethan is getting his money for all these variant covers.
The smart thing to do with Miller is demand payment up front, otherwise you take it in your "backhole".

Late Night Comics...? Is that you?

I don't charge for covers, although I do sell the original art. It feels weird to ask these guys who don't make nearly as much as me for my $1000 cover rate, when I'll just turn around and sell the original art for several thousand dollars anyhow. I get paid from collectors and customers, not my fellow creators.

As for Mike lying, the question is: Under what fairly ordinary and legal circumstances does a whole shitload of money disappear from someone's bank account, which would also cause the bank account owner shame and embarrassment?

What's the date on this because if it isn't recent never mind authentic, then why would I be inclined not to believe EVS has been sitting on this just to stir more drama?

The message to Kyle was from last night.

 

[Analog Devolved]

Late Night Comics...? Is that you?

I don't charge for covers, although I do sell the original art. It feels weird to ask these guys who don't make nearly as much as me for my $1000 cover rate, when I'll just turn around and sell the original art for several thousand dollars anyhow. I get paid from collectors and customers, not my fellow creators.

As for Mike lying, the question is: Under what fairly ordinary and legal circumstances does a whole shitload of money disappear from someone's bank account, which would also cause the bank account owner shame and embarrassment?



The message to Kyle was from last night.

I can't think of any justifiable reason why over 100k dollars would vanish and a pittance of a few hundred dollars for coloring work wouldn't be available.
You're a lot nicer than you get credit for if you do commission work for free only to retain the OA but I doubt you have a problem selling any of it.

 

[Jub-Jub]

Diamond put out their statement. 6 weeks of 25% payments, 75% deferred payment in equal installments for 13 weeks following that period. No word on cancellations, solicitations restarting, or shipping. How many small publisher can survive that?

@Tyne who the hek are you and what are you whining about?

Liam Gray, a war campaign sped and creator of some book. @Smug Freiza has accused them of DV against his mother (and apparently killing puppies) from a partial dox of a Liam Gray living in Grafton (regional AUS town ~20k pop) and Gray's IGG location being Grafton.

 

[nosemouth]

Agreed. EVS is too fucking stupid to realize that WC is his biggest Achilles Heel. EVENTUALLY they are gonna go too far with something and it is gonna have bad consequences for him and cost him a lot if not everything. All of his support will come back to haunt him. Because people are not reasonable on the internet to suss out who is actually responsible. They will just attack the biggest target which is him.

I get laughing at people sperging, but these guys seem to be escalating beyond the line of what you should or shouldn't do to people IRL.

I remember hearing EVS defend them saying that they are just internet bants. I don't see posting something on someone's shop, stalking someone and trying to intimidate them at a Con or showing up to someone's house as internet bants.

Yes if Ethan isn't careful, psychopaths on twitter will start yelling at him.

 

[verissimus]

Yes if Ethan isn't careful, psychopaths on twitter will start yelling at him.

You mean that hasn't been happening already?

 

[AnOminous]

Diamond put out their statement. 6 weeks of 25% payments, 75% deferred payment in equal installments for 13 weeks following that period. No word on cancellations, solicitations restarting, or shipping. How many small publisher can survive that?

"our commitment to each other" says the greedy piece of shit who has been strangling comics to death for decades and just now Old Yellered it behind the shed. Fuck Steve Geppi.

 

[Aqua Panda]

Diamond put out their statement. 6 weeks of 25% payments, 75% deferred payment in equal installments for 13 weeks following that period. No word on cancellations, solicitations restarting, or shipping. How many small publisher can survive that?
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Liam Gray, a war campaign sped and creator of some book. @Smug Freiza has accused them of DV against his mother (and apparently killing puppies) from a partial dox of a Liam Gray living in Grafton (regional AUS town ~20k pop) and Gray's IGG location being Grafton.

This is an effective death sentence to every small/Indy publisher.

Only Marvel, DC and maybe Image could conceivably handle percentages that low.