#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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Live With Liam writeup:

Like most episodes, this starts with filler content as Liam employs his classic "try to organize his program schedule as the show actually plays in realtime" approach to youtubing, inviting "Well Read User", a collector of mod wrenches on CG channels and Mike S. Miller diehard to advocate against Warcampaign's ethos and actions, and to answer for his refunding of Cash Grab after Cecil dragged him into a 5v1 dogpile on his stream for insulting WC as a mod on EVS' channel (lol). The insights weren't particularly good, but he wisely took off as "Mr. Biggons" and TUG showed up for another 5v1 dogpile. Biggons's extremely tedious counterargument was that since Well Read User used "vague words" like "harassment" and "policing Comicsgate" that his position was automatically disqualified. TUG, desperate for exposure anywhere he can get on, quickly admitted that he hadn't even heard what Well Read User said, but threw out a token support for Warcampaign's "freedom of speech as customers" and again urged the audience to stop infighting and put their differences aside to own the SJWs. In the chat, Frog grew bored of the two slow, dissembling hicks taking up space and amused himself by shitting on Micah Curtis while the crowd got increasingly restless.

Eventually Frog starts demanding to be let on the show and Liam, temporarily forgetting himself, says Frog can take wait til tomorrow for a full interview before smartening up and putting him on right away. Frog apologizes to Umbrella for forgetting to put him on his show, which apparently had TUG let out a big teary-eyed tantrum to Frog over DMs; Frog attributes the lapse to the horrible mind-numbing aftereffect of having to actually draw comics. TUG seems mollified by this. Frog states that he doesn't have the time or energy between family, youtube and crowdfunding/comics to even hope of keeping track about who nobodies like Sashi even are, let alone what they're up to. Not even the time to keep reading the dossiers and relationship webs Sketch Therapy sends him daily. In short: he does not give a fuck and he would appreciate it if everyone didn't try to drag him into their interpersonal beefs.

This settled, Liam queried Frog about his statements regarding "Dynamite is Comicsgate", hoping to get the chance to really grill Frog on what this means. Frog declined a full interview, instead electing to give a statement then and there: "I misspoke, Dynamite and CG are clearly separate. But working with Dynamite is very convenient for me; the man in charge has been my friend for decades, lives nearby and agrees with the conclusions on the comic book industry that Comicsgate has drawn. The principles and ideas that Comicsgate is ordered around are not compromised by my delegating the arduous logistics of crowdfunding campaign fulfillment to professionals instead of doing everything myself, insisting on that when it's not necessary is a meaningless self-restriction." In essence, Frog is saying that Comicsgate's business model was a means to an end in the face of blacklisting and not the purpose of Comicsgate in of itself. If people think they can get a better deal working with Dynamite while being in CG; there's no good reason why they shouldn't.

Liam, in a very Liam fashion, prodded back by pointing out that some of the most egregious SJWs in the comic book industry work for Dynamite and speculated that their electing to remain was potentially part of a vast conspiracy to inveigle themselves into a position of power over Comicsgate projects. Frog replied that the reason that they remained with a company that is collaborating with Comicsgate as an open secret is because they have no other option, and that this situation tremendously gratifies Frog.

The "Dynamite = CG" question clarified, Liam booted Frog off to get to the main event to add a fellow Australian, unemployed and mindbogging angry drunk at 2AM on a Tuesday, who wanted to scream at Liam about how he both loved him and wanted to beat the shit out of him for being a fucking cunt. But also beat the shit out of him as a friend. Liam and the guest, "Ryzie Lee", discussed Centrelink and comic books for a while for a while before Ro Kabir, sensing opportunity, demanded his way onto the stream. Ryzie, a man of mixed loyalties, evidently was the fellown who leaked a group chat conversation with "Panboy Soychild Donglover" to someone in "Anti-CG" which has since been filed in Panboy's upcoming cyberstalking trial versus Crypto Comics. Ro starts constructing all sorts of traps to get the guest start admitting that the conversation was illegally recorded and therefore inadmissable in trial, which Ryzie blindly stumbles into each and every one for the pleasure of the viewing audience. He's stoked that Ro is hanging out with him and being buds again. Ro even gets Ryzie to play the conversation in question by holding the mic to his speaker some incoherent screaming about how Ryzie was going to kick the shit out of Panboy for being a cunt and make him "lick his fackin armpit". Satisfied, Ro takes his leave as Ryzie goes on to tour his basement suite bedroom full of anime figurines and waifu pillow before playing out the end of the stream by scrambling around looking for his lighter.
It never occurs to these fucking tards that comicsgate is the Cult of Ethan until they inevitably start being harassed and silenced.

The idea that CG is nothing more than a circle jerk of gay operators and an organized harassment campaign to sell books by drumming up fake drama to fuck with people has been around for years.
It blows my mind whenever a die hard CGer finally realizes CG = :medallion:
 
Anyone has any idea about Zack's fanbase? Maybe completely distancing from CG would be disastrous for him? I mean, his work is average at best, I feel like people paying big money for his stuff are ideologically motivated at least to some extent. I could see it for his first project or second because you are still not sure what is happening here, but now? I think that you are either thinking that you are "fighting SJWs" by donating big money to him or he himself has a cult of personality.

Well there was drama between his Facebook fan club.
 
Was not aware of that, so is his talking points about other comic book creators hating him for being Republican a lie?

I doubt it's a lie. There are plenty of other Republicans that were silently drummed out of the industry because of their politics. Sometimes they weren't even outspoken, see Mitch Breitweiser for example.
 
I doubt it's a lie. There are plenty of other Republicans that were silently drummed out of the industry because of their politics. Sometimes they weren't even outspoken, see Mitch Breitweiser for example.

Well the difference is that Mitch doesn't have a bad history like Ethan has during I'm his comic pro tenure or told a fan to kill themselves.
 
From my point of view I would argue yes. Marvel always had a problem with Ethan because he failed to meet deadlines, not because of his political affiliation. As for DC there were rumors that he was a nightmare to work with and his coworkers thought he had a bad attitude, Gail talks about that some more in her facebook post (though it is her word against his.)

I'm actually inclined to believe her though, mainly because of Chuck Dixon. Chuck Dixon has worked with Comicsgaters and writes for internet boogeyman Teddy Spaghetti (Vox Day) on his Alt Hero series. While Axel Alonzo famously said Chuck would never work for Marvel again so long as he was Editor In Chief, DC has had no problems working with Chuck. He and Graham Nolan teamed back up for Bane: Conquest only a few years ago and I think his working with DC on some new projects now.

If DC would still hire someone like Dixon given his association to Day, I don't see why Ethan would receive so much grief simply allegedly for voting for Trump.

Edit: Simply to Allegedly, since Gail seems to imply he didn't.
Chuck's Bane Conquest stuff was probably written before his involvement with Vox's Alt-Hero crap, or maybe somewhat simultaneously. It's hard to say exactly what the timeline is. Vox wrote the first issues of that rag, Chuck only came on in late 2017. Dixon is never working for DC again, the idea that he's going to be able to go back there is laughable.

Make fun of Ethan being a self absorbed sped all you want, but you guys are into some serious revisionist history.

Remember that Ethan illustrated Jordan Peterson's book which came out in early 2018. He undoubtedly knew he was on the outs then. They don't fire you, the artists are contractors. You just get less and less work until one day you wake up and there's no work.

I mean, name one writer/artist that is a known conservative working at DC/Marvel. I'll wait.
Well the difference is that Mitch doesn't have a bad history like Ethan has during I'm his comic pro tenure or told a fan to kill themselves.
Yes, that's exactly my point. Mitch was thrown out for his politics - he's the a most agreeable personality and he still got the slow motion boot to his ass.

Plenty of insane asshole SJWs are working for the big two. In fact they pretty much run the show. The idea that Ethan was shown the door after 20 years because of personality conflicts, coincidentally right after he came out as a Trump supporter and worked with Jordan Peterson, is some grade A bullshit.
 
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Plenty of insane asshole SJWs are working for the big two. In fact they pretty much run the show. The idea that Ethan was shown the door after 20 years because of personality conflicts, coincidentally right after he came out as a Trump supporter and worked with Jordan Peterson, is some grade A bullshit.

If personality conflicts had anything to do with it, Mark Waid would have been shown the door 20 years ago.
 
I don’t know if this points in favor of EVS being right-wong or not, but EVS also did the album art for Winger’s “IV” album. The art itself consists of a US soldier surrounded by angels (Kip Winger wrote the songs as if from the perspective of a soldier in Afghanistan). It’s not damning evidence or anything, EVS could have just been starstruck at the time, but the image itself is the kind of thing right wingers go nuts for (though the album itself is not overtly political). Make of it what you will.

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I don’t know if this points in favor of EVS being right-wong or not, but EVS also did the album art for Winger’s “IV” album. The art itself consists of a US soldier surrounded by angels (Kip Winger wrote the songs as if from the perspective of a soldier in Afghanistan). It’s not damning evidence or anything, EVS could have just been starstruck at the time, but the image itself is the kind of thing right wingers go nuts for (though the album itself is not overtly political). Make of it what you will.

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It's just not even a question that he is right wing.

Of course he hid his Trump support for a long time. The repercussions in that insular industry for being a conservative are dire, especially if you speak up. There are way more out conservatives even in a place like Hollywood.

I mean, why do SJWs think they can get your career destroyed for wrongthink and are so gleeful about going after people? Maybe because they can, and we've seen it a million times? They straight up brag about being able to blacklist creators.
 
Well the difference is that Mitch doesn't have a bad history like Ethan has during I'm his comic pro tenure or told a fan to kill themselves.
Wait is that the guy who called EVS a nazi and a bunch of other shit for voting Trump and then pearl clutched when he got told to fuck off?
 
Just to hammer the point home to people with short term memory, remember this?


Ethan had a comic signing (even before he officially left DC IIRC) at a pizzeria and it was vandalized right after.

I guess it was tug using the same sledgehammer that he used to destroy his own mailbox or something.

But yeah, there really wasn't any blowback for Ethan being a Trump supporter, hmmm?

Wait is that the guy who called EVS a nazi and a bunch of other shit for voting Trump and then pearl clutched when he got told to fuck off?
Yes the douches in this thread are miscontextualizing everything because Ethan Man Bad.

I mean, you can shit on Ethan all you want for being the George Lucas of comicsgate, a fat and lazy creator that is just trying to milk every shekel from his supporters with worthless trinkets before the well runs dry.

But don't pretend he didn't have to suffer the mob and redirect his career because of politics.
 
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ComicTropes is good people. He’s mildly funny, but very informative. Sometimes he veers into soy territory, like the video where he portrayed Gail Simone bullying her editor in a positive light, but his videos are good shit more times than not.
Things like "good people" and "portraying bullying positively" don't sit together well. And I know that Gail is a special type, but what is that story of her bullying a editor that I missed and what comictropes video is the talk about?
 
Things like "good people" and "portraying bullying positively" don't sit together well. And I know that Gail is a special type, but what is that story of her bullying a editor that I missed and what comictropes video is the talk about?

Yeah, I'd like to see that video too.

I generally like Comic Tropes, he seems to be a fairly reasonable guy, even if he does mouth soy based shit from time to time.
 
I am going through it as I am working on low-effort stuff. Sounds like another amazing show from Liam.

By the way, as you describe it (haven't gotten to that point) EVS is halfway correct. He can afford to let professionals do his shipping and/or even rep him for Diamond. He has a multimillion dollar property (if two is considered a multi in any way) and hiring people is not out of the question. He can make even more money as an artist/radio host than as a delivery boy and it is good business.
Frog is unquestionably correct on this. The "standard" Comicsgate business model "direct pipeline" of zero intermediaries can't be used as a metric of if something is Comicsgate or not by simple dint of the fact that people like Doug TenNapel, Mike S. Miller and all of the creators considered "Anti-CG" also use it. I'd like to see any of these people riding Frog's ass about Dynamite would argue that those guys are Comicsgate because they use the accepted CG model.

Additionally, the "all self fulfillment" model means that the more product you sell, the more overhead you take on fulfilling each and every one of them individually. Meaning the comic is either going to be delivered later and later or less and less time is free to be spent writing and drawing the fucking thing. "Direct pipeline" is an ingenious and resilient idea when you're a small-scale creator blacklisted from an entire industry. That doesn't necessarily mean it's an idea that scales functionally to the levels Frog would like to do business at, especially when he doesn't even have to.

Finally, this argument could be applied recursively on not just having a publisher full of professionals contracted to logistics and fulfillment of the project, but on each and every aspect doing so entails. "Oh you don't print your own comics? How do you know that the people at the print show aren't SJWs you're funding with my money, hm?" "Sending out parcels through FedEx one by one? They donated to Planned Parenthood last year and blocked me on twitter. Care to put on some road miles? And to get a step ahead, who manufactured your car and where do you buy your gas from?". So no, I don't criticize Frog dismissing all this as fucking stupid.

What I do criticize him for is taking so long to be fucked to address this rather straightforward issue.
 
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Things like "good people" and "portraying bullying positively" don't sit together well. And I know that Gail is a special type, but what is that story of her bullying a editor that I missed and what comictropes video is the talk about?

Is that the story of how she was fired from Batgirl because she was refusing to turn in work on time or plan out future issues with her new editor, ghosting his calls for weeks, and then mobilized a twitter mob to harass DC into giving her the job back because they fired a whamen and the editor she treated like shit was forced to call her and offer her the job back?

Honestly I would have gone to her home, called her a useless cunt who writes derivative pop culture trash, tell her to fuck off and die in a sewer, and then call my bosses and tell them she refused the job.
 
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Yeah, I'd like to see that video too.

I generally like Comic Tropes, he seems to be a fairly reasonable guy, even if he does mouth soy based shit from time to time.
Give me a couple of examples of that "soy based shit". Don't feel like watching through the whole video library of his to hear it.
 
Yes the douches in this thread are miscontextualizing everything because Ethan Man Bad.

I mean, you can shit on Ethan all you want for being the George Lucas of comicsgate, a fat and lazy creator that is just trying to tard cum every shekel from his supporters with worthless trinkets before the well runs dry.

But don't pretend he didn't have to suffer the mob and redirect his career because of politics.
Oh, then yeah I don't care that EVS told that guy to minecraft himself. I haven't been a fan of a lot of the things EVS has been doing lately, but I have absolutely zero problems with him telling that guy off. You can only take the fan card so far before you lose the right to professional courtesy.
 
Give me a couple of examples of that "soy based shit". Don't feel like watching through the whole video library of his to hear it.
Just as an example I remember him whining about Mark Millar's stuff being "mean spirited". I''ve also heard him do the politically correct race/gender routine a few times, but I can't remember specific examples on that score.

Nothing very egregious.
Oh, then yeah I don't care that EVS told that guy to minecraft himself. I haven't been a fan of a lot of the things EVS has been doing lately, but I have absolutely zero problems with him telling that guy off. You can only take the fan card so far before you lose the right to professional courtesy.
Ethan had an entire troll army of SJWs going after him and they even took it IRL, but I guess he was just making it all up.

All those people like Renfamous, dedicating their whole lives to stirring up SJW gayops against him, must have been really enraged because he was writing a frog book or they heard he was a doo-doo head and not because of politics.

One of the more influential ones was named "SJW Spiderman" but hey, the attacks had nothing to do with politics, according to idiots in this thread.
 
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