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Zack's position on "comics book industry" vs "comics book community", transcribed by Mister Dongs in the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty


"SJWs have for the last couple of years have tried to redefine an industry as a 'community'. The thing is, they bang the drum on inclusivity and diversity, but the concept of 'community' is exclusivity. You get to kick these people out, you get to banish them, and then what happens is you form these echo chambers. So you have a very very unhealthy industry. And I've never seen so many people, especially you- people you would never imagine being scared. And those people are being scared. And y'know, it's like, you're living your whole life afraid of your own friends, in a community that you know will turn on you like the drop of the hat. And the worst part is, these people aren't even paying your bills. They're not even putting food on the table, and their big weapon is to threaten to take the food off the table. The food they didn't put on the table. "Oh - oh, we'll excommunicate you on our whisper network. This- ah uh- and the other thing... so, one of the things that y'know oh so we're uh I was we were talking about redefining success is SJWS keep redefining success for themselves. They'll be like "yeah, sure, Ethan van Sciver uh... made 800,000 dollars but.." but then they just start throwing things at the wall "How can we discredit making one million dollars? He doesn't have the respect of the industry." So- uhm, SJWs are redefining success, and success is what they define it. So making 800,000 dollars: not success. Selling 14,000 uh... books.... not success. They redefine success as basically 'membership in their community'. Their community of poverty and fear. So, uh, Ethan did this post as you can see there and he basically just paraphrase the last post that he had shared and, uh you see you know, you don't really know what being in the industry, you're not really in the - the industry is making money off of comics. If you sell a comic, you're in the industry. Now my personal definition of the word 'professional' is that you survive off the industry. You pay all of your bills off of selling comics and you talking abouty comics would also be y'know comic book industry.

The- There- They claim that you're not on a Marvel book... Not many people are. Show me the person out there that did ten issues of a Marvel comic. An artist. Now there's writers out there that do that but then again they pay- get paid so poorly that they gotta write four-to-five books a month just to survive. So this is not a healthy industry but the thing is that not that we don't understand the industry is that we understand it much much much much too well. We know that the industry is basically the sequel to Mean Girls. Yes I know they made a Mean Girls 2 but nobody ever remembers that movie. People only remember Mean Girls. It is chatty. It is immature. And that basically describes everything. Whispers, rumours, vendettas. Stuff you would see from a high school lunch room. Now the thing is that we can't act like that anyone involved is blameless. I've certainly done a million stupid things. But you can, y'know, reduce your attack surface by not being in the high school lunch room. Now the thing is that they're still going to attack you, because your success.... I was watching this... everyone is doing all of these, uh... oh, the people on the Avengers don't like Brie Larson because this guy made a face during an interview. I've honestly watched a couple of those videos and I can honestly never finish them because they're on these press junkets where they literally will have fifteen minutes with a different journalist and then go from - they'll do like twenty interviews a days. Have you ever seen the Ben Affleck meme where he's just staring out into space? That's where it comes from, these press junkets. So people are usually not that happy on a press junket. Um, so I've watched a couple of those videos, I don't really- I don't really... think there's much there. I don't think they care. Although I did see... the only one I saw that was convincing as purposeful shade was Jeremy Renner, because he basically... that... that... that was shade, uhuh hah... so basically, they were like "Do you think being a celebrity has a responsibility" and Brie Larson says "yes it does, I try to be a good person but I also try to use a platform' and Jeremy Renner who's like.. twenty years older, he's just over it, he says "I'm a good person I don't have any problem with it I don't gotta prove anything I don't gotta be this or that" and omg this woman is totally using the donation box as a garbage can.

But the thing isn't that we don't know the industry, it's that we know it very well. We don't want to be.. in the community WITHIN the industry. There is an industry, and that anyone who makes money off of comics, distributing comics, reviewing comics, storing comics... whatever. If you make money and it's related to comics, you're in the comic industry. But there is this subset which is the community and it is an awful, awful place, where you have to live in fear of your so-called friends well into late-middle age. Well into where you should be thinking about retirement you have to worry 'oh my gosh is Sally gonna know I spoke to Emily? Oh I better tell KElly that Diamond and Sierra are the real--" Oh my God. Fourties. Fifties. Sixties. And you gotta cowtow to this absolute nonsense. And your reward? There's no reward! You just get to keep being poor and scared all - the - time. Y'know I y'know, I was telling this friend who I spoke to you again.. oh my god this is- 'm getting so much anxiety from this. THis is a totally empty parking lot and somebody just stopped, like, right in front of me and then another guy's... this is how cartel hits happen! Augh... As soon as I started getting anxious they left. They're all on their walkie-talkies... "We'll get him later". But anyway, we know the industry. We see the fear. We don't want to live in fear. We don't have to 'allies' who will turn on us at the drop of a hat and we don't want to be poor. We don't want to be Mean Girls 2. I don't even want to watch it, I still haven't seen the first one... It's a pretty self-explanatory movie. You say the title, you pretty much know every single thing that's going to happen - I think Im igight have seen half of it one time wheren it was on cable... but... okay, I guess I made all of my points. But just to reiterate, I'm doing my own thing, I am definitely in the industry, I'm definitely a professional... um, you can't really do anything that... oh- by the way, you can compete with me but you can't try to destroy me because there's no legal backing to it and you'll probably end up in federal court if you do.... Not talking about anyone in particular.

Um, but, uh, so for whatcha people do out there is y'know honestly... you gotta look yourself in the mirror and say "what age am I? How many more years do I have in me, and what am I getting out of this?" Yeah if you kinda gotta pretend to go along with the flow you're making 80,90,100 thousand dollars, Marvel's giving you 6-8 books a year . You got some money saved, youcan go on vacation... play along get along. No skin off my nose if you do that. But if you're in poverty... and you have no stability in your life, and you're afraid of your own friends, come on over to the dark side - I know that is a dead meme from six years ago I don't care... sometimes.. hey sometimes dead memes still have some life in them. So anyway... that's it! Thanks for watching! Subscribe, make sure you're still suscribed, hit that notification button, make sure you check out that indiegogo and are signed up. I think that IGG is going for twenty more days...
 
It's the preview length Mitch sent out to backers digitally, Walmart buyers aren't getting the whole book.
They will be. Mitch plan's on releasing Red Rooster to Wal-Mart in three issues with backers getting their 'graphic novel' after all three issues have gone to WallyWorld.
 
They will be. Mitch plan's on releasing Red Rooster to Wal-Mart in three issues with backers getting their 'graphic novel' after all three issues have gone to WallyWorld.
I want you to be wrong on this because the other option is to be filled with indignant rage if Mitch actually does that shit. This is unbelievably disrespectful to his backers
 
I want you to be wrong on this because the other option is to be filled with indignant rage if Mitch actually does that shit. This is unbelievably disrespectful to his backers
Where's the comic Mitch? :medallion:
Mitch Breitweiser said fuck you to his backers long ago. The only way to piss him off is to talk about how banging hot Liz Breitweiser is he literally does not give a fuck about the fans who pay him to do comics. As far as he is concerned walmart is his client, they pay for the books and all the fans can sit and spin. He has been dicking around with this fucking comic for so long going on trips to the museum with EVS and all around being a giant cuck.
The key takeaway here is to never trust Mitch with money you WILL be disappointed. He pegged comicsgate for a bunch of paypiggies before it was fashionable.
Fuck Mitch.
 
They will be. Mitch plan's on releasing Red Rooster to Wal-Mart in three issues with backers getting their 'graphic novel' after all three issues have gone to WallyWorld.

That's just out and out scamming. That's even worse than just entirely failing to deliver. He makes Zoe Quinn look classy. He's basically saying "Thanks for the money you stupid fucks" and shitting in your face if you were dumb enough to back this swindler.
 
Possibly late but Chuck Dixon just posted this. Make note of the bottom shelf.

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Mitch actually did it. The madman grifter actually released Red Rooster to Wal Mart before the backers got it.
Shower me in MOTI ratings because this makes me burn to a fucking crisp with anger. I backed four CG books: Zack, EVS, Doug T. (BFB is a CG book, he cant deny that), and Mitch. All but Mitch delivered their books, I even backed Doug and Zack again and still got my books before Mitch. When I saw him teasing The Futurists, I thought RR was done and this was a side thing. It wasn't. It was Mitch and his wife gambling with strangers' money.

That one user was right: it is about the money. Money I fucking paid for professionals who know damn well how to deliver a book in a realistic timeframe! Say whatever you want about everyone else in CG who failed to deliver their books on time or cancelled (YES even EVS because I still got my book but he better log off or fuck off and refund me at this rate with the next one), the Bretweisers were the dirtiest fuckers of them all.

Doug T. ran from CG and still got his books out.
They just RAN.

I really hope they pissed off some gossipy bitches with connections who will never let their names be said in good graces again. Fuck Mitch, fuck his dumb blonde wife, fuck his whole team who got paid to go along with this, and you know what? Fuck myself for not jumping ship sooner.

Yeah, I figured it couldn’t be the full book as that would require him to fucking finish it. Still, absolute scumbag move on his part and, if he ever tries to crowdfund something again, it won’t be one that’s soon forgotten.

How much do you wanna bet Mitch showed the Walmart bigwigs the crowdfund numbers and thought his books could pull the same if not more money on their shelves? He used the backers as a proof of concept and not actual customers who paid him for his book! The more I think about it the more I need a strong drink.
 
Thanks for the transcript!

Zack's position on "comics book industry" vs "comics book community", transcribed by Mister Dongs in the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty

"SJWs have for the last couple of years have tried to redefine an industry as a 'community'. The thing is, they bang the drum on inclusivity and diversity, but the concept of 'community' is exclusivity. You get to kick these people out, you get to banish them, and then what happens is you form these echo chambers. So you have a very very unhealthy industry. And I've never seen so many people, especially you- people you would never imagine being scared. And those people are being scared. And y'know, it's like, you're living your whole life afraid of your own friends, in a community that you know will turn on you like the drop of the hat. And the worst part is, these people aren't even paying your bills. They're not even putting food on the table, and their big weapon is to threaten to take the food off the table. The food they didn't put on the table. "Oh - oh, we'll excommunicate you on our whisper network. This- ah uh- and the other thing... so, one of the things that y'know oh so we're uh I was we were talking about redefining success is SJWS keep redefining success for themselves. They'll be like "yeah, sure, Ethan van Sciver uh... made 800,000 dollars but.." but then they just start throwing things at the wall "How can we discredit making one million dollars? He doesn't have the respect of the industry." So- uhm, SJWs are redefining success, and success is what they define it. So making 800,000 dollars: not success. Selling 14,000 uh... books.... not success. They redefine success as basically 'membership in their community'. Their community of poverty and fear. So, uh, Ethan did this post as you can see there and he basically just paraphrase the last post that he had shared and, uh you see you know, you don't really know what being in the industry, you're not really in the - the industry is making money off of comics. If you sell a comic, you're in the industry. Now my personal definition of the word 'professional' is that you survive off the industry. You pay all of your bills off of selling comics and you talking abouty comics would also be y'know comic book industry.

Even here, Zack is working off of the old LCS model. With the crowdfunding model, the community precedes the industry instead of the other way around. Comics usually come out on a regular monthly basis, easily previewable, etc. with no huge investment. This new model demands so much more from the consumers in terms of time, money, and trust. I don't think it's wrong to cater to any particular community, but don't pretend you're something you're not in order to fool them into throwing their money at you. Among YBZ's better attributes, he's pretty loyal and EVS is more than just a highly respected comic pro, he's also something of a fellow soldier in the progressive war within comics. I hope for his sake he comes to realize the very real possibility that most of what comes out of Ethan's mouth is absolute garbage.

Another thing to keep in mind in regards to Ethan being persecuted for his "right-wing" beliefs: he was calling Waid and Slott his friends for years! He was "friends" with them right up until his interviews in 2017. Even Waid called him a friend! Something tells me that if in fact he was as outspoken as he had indicated, there would be no way Waid wouldn't have gotten wind of it sooner and cancelled their friendship down to even the slightest association. Van Sciver only tells you what he wants you to hear and once you're in a position where you either have the potential to serve as a catalytic antagonist or you have no power to retaliate, he'll stick that knife right through your ribcage. Waid and Slott were sure expendable (I don't feel sorry for them), but amoral Ethan just can't help himself in order to gain control of the battlefield. Those techniques served him well enough to become a millionaire and not many people can claim that. His manipulative antics have started to eat away at his alliances, though. He's going to wish he spent a lot less time tweeting and bleeting all over the internets.
 
That's just out and out scamming. That's even worse than just entirely failing to deliver. He makes Zoe Quinn look classy. He's basically saying "Thanks for the money you stupid fucks" and shitting in your face if you were dumb enough to back this swindler.
I think it's clear that what Frog flew out to Allegiance Arts to discuss two years ago had nothing to do with some sort of coup against "OG CG" and everything to do with Mitch never having any intention of fulfilling his campaign and wanting to know if Frog would like to be in on the swindling of backers. Frog declined obviously, but never blew the whistle either.
 
His banging wife would still get mainstream work if it wasn't for this grift. Both are greedy and lazy this shit should have been released more than a year ago.

Isn't she still doing work at Image? I looked at last Kirkman's Outcast issues and she is still listed as one of the artists.

I think it's clear that what Frog flew out to Allegiance Arts to discuss two years ago had nothing to do with some sort of coup against "OG CG" and everything to do with Mitch never having any intention of fulfilling his campaign and wanting to know if Frog would like to be in on the swindling of backers. Frog declined obviously, but never blew the whistle either.

Wouldn't surprise me that if Mitch's scheme ends up working then Frog is going to join him. He probably wouldn't mind selling his stuff in Walmart. I barely follow drama side of this thing, but did Frog go hard at Mitch for what he did? Or was it rather constrained criticism that he had to do in order to save face?
 
Isn't she still doing work at Image? I looked at last Kirkman's Outcast issues and she is still listed as one of the artists.

Wouldn't surprise me that if Mitch's scheme ends up working then Frog is going to join him. He probably wouldn't mind selling his stuff in Walmart. I barely follow drama side of this thing, but did Frog go hard at Mitch for what he did? Or was it rather constrained criticism that he had to do in order to save face?

When Mitch started getting heat over the Walmart thing he was in the middle of his Allegiance campaign which was under performing since he was already almost a year late with RR. Then suddenly Mitch and Betty became "victims" of an "evil plot" to scuttle the Walmart deal somehow involving intimidation or blackmail of Kelsey Shannon. Ethan played along and they insinuated that Doug Ernst, Mark Pelligrini, Tim Lim, TenNaple, Boyette and even Preston Poulter were all in on some poorly defined op to "destroy Allegiance".

Betty used an old sock account to accuse Ernst directly, Ethan read chats from another sock called Shadow King (possibly Andrea or one of the Bitchweisers) that perpetually accused Ernst and also attacked Ernst's show directly. Ethan played coy never saying Ernst's name but also notably never defending him either. (Except once when Ethan said Shadow King's accusation of Ernst was true. Ethan pulled down the stream but the clip can still be found on Twitter I think.)

Ernst challenged Ethan and Mitch to sit down and they'd lay all their cards and DMs on the table and let the audience decide. Ethan and Mitch bitched out because they were full of shit and the DMs would prove it.

Ernst let the whole thing drop. Probably because he isn't a faggot ass drama queen gay ops fucktard like Ethan and Mitch.

Soulfinder was delivered on time to rave reviews and Ethan and the Breitweisers went back to fucking customers with fraudulent coins and scammed RR crowdfund money.

So no, @FROG didn't "go hard" at Mitch for fucking customers. In fact, he provided cover for Mitch and he contributed to the op designed to make them look like victims and smear a good mans name.

Ethan is a colossal shit stain and so are the Breitweisers.
 
Could Mitch get in trouble for not fulfilling orders and does a publishing deal to Walmart? The backers should've mass refund...i bet they invested thousands on a book that in reality cost 3 dollars. That's like buying a collectors edition that will never come out when the standard edition is released.
 
Could Mitch get in trouble for not fulfilling orders and does a publishing deal to Walmart? The backers should've mass refund...i bet they invested thousands on a book that in reality cost 3 dollars. That's like buying a collectors edition that will never come out when the standard edition is released.

I suppose it depends on what you mean by "trouble". Mitch could suffer a loss in regards to reputation if he fails to deliver on his IGG campaign but as I understand it there is no guarantee with a campaign and doubtful any legal recourse against Mitch if he chose not to deliver at all.

I don't think Walmart gives a fuck if Mitch fucks a few hundred nerds over so long as Walmart gets their product on time and in good order.

Hind sight's 20/20 and You're right, everyone should have refunded Mitch when they had the chance. That said, back then they still thought they'd get their book before Walmart customers.
 
Nah, you need to contact the local media and tell them that their senator was personally involved in a nepotistic criminal conspiracy to defraud hundreds of people to set up the facade of a startup company that then got access to Walmart's supply distribution chain. Nobody gives a fuck about Mitch or his shitty crimson cock comics, not even us.
 
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everyone should have refunded Mitch when they had the chance. That said, back then they still thought they'd get their book before Walmart customers.

By trouble I mean would igg would probably have a say about creators having campaigns just to publish it on a store and abandon backers. sadly these cg diehards would probably continue funneling money to the campaign knowing that the 25 to a thousand dollars of investment was meaningless and they could get the book for 2 dollars in the book section and probably going to shelf warm.
 
But CG books going to the comic stores were bound to happen in some way or form, but to push the book to the side to promote a different book and spit in the face of backers who invested thousands and their dox in exchange of a book should wake people up about how much of a shitshow CG is.
 
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I should mention while we’re all discussing what a cocksucker Mitch is and what a lovable goof Zack is that my copy of Iron Sights 2 arrived yesterday. Whether you liked the original not, that’s four books Zack has fulfilled to Ethan’s 1 (not counting the Vampirella variants) and Mitch’s 0.
 
Betty used an old sock account to accuse Ernst directly, Ethan read chats from another sock called Shadow King (possibly Andrea or one of the Bitchweisers) that perpetually accused Ernst and also attacked Ernst's show directly. Ethan played coy never saying Ernst's name but also notably never defending him either. (Except once when Ethan said Shadow King's accusation of Ernst was true. Ethan pulled down the stream but the clip can still be found on Twitter I think.)

 
So no, @FROG didn't "go hard" at Mitch for fucking customers. In fact, he provided cover for Mitch and he contributed to the op designed to make them look like victims and smear a good mans name.

Ethan is a colossal shit stain and so are the Breitweisers.
Reminder that Ethan in his own words thinks Mitch is great, even now, and enabled his scam for over a year.
 
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