Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[SaidNoOneEver]

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I'm not even surprised he turned to be race grifter.
Funny when all those people outriged on twitter on his behalf back in the day don't give a fuck about his book. I've learnt of it from Google news feed.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

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I'm not even surprised he turned to be race grifter.
Funny when all those people outriged on twitter on his behalf back in the day don't give a fuck about his book. I've learnt of it from Google news feed.

I 100% guarantee this will sell a few thousand copies to libraries. Librarians as a group are woke and YA librarians (where most GNs get shelved) are the wokest of the woke. When you get to spend Other People's Money ...

 

[cow-wannabe]

Hey, Judah! If you are reading this post, know this:
Doxing is legal and doesn't negatively impact anyone financially (just socially).
Cancel Culture results in removing someone from their livelihood and ability to make a career.
There's the difference, you clown.

Aiming to grab some 'autistics' here.

Cancel Culture is a sub-class of Doxing. Both involve releasing and distributing personal information about a target to a specific audience that the target has not directly released it to (in its current form). Doxing does not require the doxer to have an intention to cause an effect on the target or the audience, but it does not preclude such an intention either.

Acts of doxing that attempt to intimidate someone into some form of surrender or apology, through the threat of financial hardship or social ostracization, or that attempt to enact these threats as punishment in pursuit of some kind of 'justice' or 'righteousness', are, as well as being acts of doxing, also acts of Cancel Culture.

The way Cancel Culture works can clearly be seen as an act of doxing (transferring disclosed information to new, possibly unintended, audiences.) when you drill-down to it's fundamental as form of "you like person X but did you know they said/did Y and associated with Z"

So all Cancel Culture is Doxing but not all Doxing is Cancel Culture, or in other works Cancel Culture is Doxing with added Ethics-Simpery

 

[NasserRabadi13]

Last night we lectured Donal Delay on behalf of @NasserRabadi13 on ComicArtistPro Secrets.

I think the CG creative community heard Nasser's complaints and are largely siding with Nasser about this, as I am.

I got this message from Donal after the livestream:

"Just to be clear on things, I’ve told Nasser repeatedly that he will be paid when shipping is done. So I know an accurate dollar amount to pay him & not a random one. I’m keeping track of every cent - it’s my business after all - but I’m not going to over or underpay him. He’ll get his 50%. Then I’ll do book 2 to wrap up the story & be done with Brutas & especially Nasser. Moving on to other IPs I write, draw, color & 100% own."

I can't guarantee how much money you're going to get, but if you don't receive something fair, I guess just continue to let people know.

Thank you Ethan. I'm going through the stream now to find it.

People don’t need to hold my feet to the fire. I do it myself.

Nasser has been told repeatedly he’ll get his 50% of the profits when books are shipped, & people following me on Twitter, or paying attention to the situation have seen me say that. That’s why they don’t care. But I’m not going to keep repeating myself every time one of his fans has a conniption fit on his behalf or when he does a 3hr livestream complaining about it, or runs here for a pity party.

He can wait & get an accurate payout.

(If this is really Donal) you wouldnt even show me the crypto fashion numbers, and repeatedly said you wouldnt show me the accounting for the campaign.

Why should I believe i'll really get half? You've already bragged about making up expenses.

EDIT: Not to mention you lied to every single backer

 

[Analog Devolved]

People don’t need to hold my feet to the fire. I do it myself.

Nasser has been told repeatedly he’ll get his 50% of the profits when books are shipped, & people following me on Twitter, or paying attention to the situation have seen me say that. That’s why they don’t care. But I’m not going to keep repeating myself every time one of his fans has a conniption fit on his behalf or when he does a 3hr livestream complaining about it, or runs here for a pity party.

He can wait & get an accurate payout.

Is there any way we can get that recipe for your wife's boyfriends pizza?

 

[FROG]

How is what Mitch did any different than taking that $200k from IGG backers to a blackjack table? Win or lose it's still misrepresentation/fraud. There wouldn't even be a debate had he done the blackjack thing but it's the same as risking it all on a Walmart deal instead of delivering the product that customers thought they were spending it on.

How is it similar in ANY WAY to taking their $200K to a BlackJack table? They didn't gamble it or misspend it.

The purpose of the RED ROOSTER crowdfund was to establish a value for their IPs for the purpose of attracting investors.

It was explained to me that your IP was worth 4 times (it might have been three times, I don't remember. But I think it was four) what it raised on a crowdfund. So that's what you could ask investors for. If RED ROOSTER raised $200K, then the IP in it's infancy is worth $800K. And one can assume that the other 3 IPs Allegiance launched would be of equal value.

So they were able to get a ton of money invested in their company, thanks to that IndieGoGo campaign. You can assume that the backers' money is still sitting in a bank account, untouched. Producing the comic and keeping a profit from that capital was chicken feed, relatively speaking. The point was building a publishing house and selling the IPs to Hollywood and various other merchandising deals.

I think that this endeavor was a big distraction from actually settling in and producing the comic that backers paid for, and now it's a PR nightmare for them.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

@Fathead has been labeled "Person of Interest," so @Fathead is confirmed to be Donal DeLay.

 

[Smug Freiza]

If that is you, Donal, get yourself a checkmark.

(If this is really Donal) you wouldnt even show me the crypto fashion numbers, and repeatedly said you wouldnt show me the accounting for the campaign.

I'm inclined to believe it is the real Donal from his post, besides why would anyone want to impersonate him? Still @Fathead it couldn't hurt to get verified to make sure. @FROG @NasserRabadi13 and @TheCosmicWarrior all got verified, I'm sure one of them could walk you through the process.

Aiming to grab some 'autistics' here.

Cancel Culture is a sub-class of Doxing. Both involve releasing and distributing personal information about a target to a specific audience that the target has not directly released it to (in its current form). Doxing does not require the doxer to have an intention to cause an effect on the target or the audience, but it does not preclude such an intention either.

Acts of doxing that attempt to intimidate someone into some form of surrender or apology, through the threat of financial hardship or social ostracization, or that attempt to enact these threats as punishment in pursuit of some kind of 'justice' or 'righteousness', are, as well as being acts of doxing, also acts of Cancel Culture.

The way Cancel Culture works can clearly be seen as an act of doxing (transferring disclosed information to new, possibly unintended, audiences.) when you drill-down to it's fundamental as form of "you like person X but did you know they said/did Y and associated with Z"

So all Cancel Culture is Doxing but not all Doxing is Cancel Culture, or in other works Cancel Culture is Doxing with added Ethics-Simpery

To quote the glorious feeder "there's nothing wrong with doxing." Everything is publicly available information that is aggregated all in one place for a specific purpose. What is done with the dox is another story, for example if an employer is contacted in an effort to get the person fired or the individual is swatted etc. The purpose of the dox could be for something nefarious like cancel culture, it could be karma, revenge or it could even just be for laughs. It depends on the motive of the doxer and the dox itself, not all doxing is malicious.

Oh and props to @FROG for trying to mediate the ongoing payment issue between Nasser and Donal. It's probably for the best since Comicsgate wouldn't want the optics of creators being stiffed out payment while trying to court more talent into the movement. I would also kindly suggest to both @NasserRabadi13 and @Fathead if they intend to have a back and forth over the issue to take it to the containment thread so this one doesn't get derailed.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/comicsgate-hangers-on-and-drama-whores.59603/

After all we wouldn't want either of you joining Liam Gray in Spergatory.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

How is it similar in ANY WAY to taking their $200K to a BlackJack table? They didn't gamble it or misspend it.

I couldn't disagree more. If risking their entire $200k bankroll on securing a deal with Walmart and shipping them the product instead of their backers in the hopes of turning that $200k into $2+ million isn't gambling then nothing is. I would argue that the blackjack table would've given them better odds too.

And yes that $200k was put at risk --- probably lost. Otherwise the guy wouldn't have had a mental breakdown on his livestream last night accusing you of causing a thousand dollars in IGG refunds.

The purpose of the RED ROOSTER crowdfund was to establish a value for their IPs for the purpose of attracting investors.

How can you of all people say that??? The purpose of the RED ROOSTER crowdfund was to produce a fucking comic book for the fans who paid for it! Are your IGG campaigns just a vehicle to establish a value for your CF IP, not to actually deliver a product to your fans who think that's what their money is for? Do your backers know that?

You can assume that the backers' money is still sitting in a bank account, untouched.

You obviously didn't listen to his breakdown from last night. He lost his shit because you cost him a thousand dollars in IGG refunds. People with million-dollar IP's raking in cash from Walmart don't act like that, especially if the initial IGG money is safe in a lockbox untouched. Hell, why is such a high-roller doing a drawing livestream for 13 people in the first place? The Walmart venture is failing, that's why. He's going to end up owing them money, not the other way around and the stress of that reality is hitting home.

 

[The Bovinian Derivative]

Don't want to derail but is there a backup/archive of the reported Xenotype review?

 

[Smug Freiza]

Don't want to derail but is there a backup/archive of the reported Xenotype review?

The SWC one?

Part 1 - https://www.bitchute.com/video/Y6muqTLjBT4e/

Part 2 - https://www.bitchute.com/video/LbKD08u4xTZU/

Part 3- https://www.bitchute.com/video/yHiupjhP3wid/

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

The SWC one?

Part 1 - https://www.bitchute.com/video/Y6muqTLjBT4e/

Part 2 - https://www.bitchute.com/video/LbKD08u4xTZU/

Part 3- https://www.bitchute.com/video/yHiupjhP3wid/

Nice.

 

[FROG]

This is my fault. I forgot about the concentrated autism here on Kiwi Farms. Let me try again.

I couldn't disagree more. If risking their entire $200k bankroll on securing a deal with Walmart and shipping them the product instead of their backers in the hopes of turning that $200k into $2+ million isn't gambling then nothing is. I would argue that the blackjack table would've given them better odds too.

And yes that $200k was put at risk --- probably lost. Otherwise the guy wouldn't have had a mental breakdown on his livestream last night accusing you of causing a thousand dollars in IGG refunds.

This might surprise you, but check this out:

It's EASY to get a deal with Wal Mart. Wal Mart doesn't discriminate all that much. All the Breitweisers had to do is get a meeting with one of the newsstand magazine distributors that furnish puzzlebooks to Target and WalMart, and agree to their terms. It cost them nothing, and the answer was a quick yes. I was there for that meeting.

The reason why Marvel and DC aren't in Wal Mart with their REGULAR periodicals now is because of their prior exclusive deal with DIAMOND and the Direct Market, which used to be a good arrangement for them, (Local Comic Shops only, but NO RETURNS) but now isn't such a good deal, because there aren't as many comic shops.

DC and Marvel got around this policy by creating exclusive magazines made up primarily of reprint comics.

And now DC Comics has used CoVid as a way to get out of their exclusive with Diamond, so you'll probably see more DC Comics at Wal Mart.

Let me repeat: It didn't cost the Breitweisers ANYTHING to get this deal. There was no risk of IGG backers money, because...

How can you of all people say that??? The purpose of the RED ROOSTER crowdfund was to produce a fucking comic book for the fans who paid for it! Are your IGG campaigns just a vehicle to establish a value for your CF IP, not to actually deliver a product to your fans who think that's what their money is for? Do your backers know that?

...they used the money they got from INVESTORS, an amount gambled by the investors (not the IndieGoGo backers) which was based on the believed VALUE of RED ROOSTER, which was determined by what the IGG backers gave to the Breitweisers to make the comic. This was their plan all along.

When I say this was THEIR plan, I'm not at all saying this is also MY plan. (That's where the tism might have confused you.)

My plan is to be quite happy with the money IGG backers are giving me to make CYBERFROG comics. It's plenty. I can even invest some of the profits making toys, and only worry about breaking even on the toys, because the comics are doing so well. I am NOT looking for investors. I've turned down investment capital. I am not looking to be in WALMART. At least not right now. I'm happy with my current situation of shipping 10,000 or so packages myself and keeping half a million in profits after shipping, taxes and printing costs.

But I am not the Breitweisers. They wanted a publishing empire and worldwide distribution. That's where we differed, and that's why I went my own way.

You obviously didn't listen to his breakdown from last night. He lost his shit because you cost him a thousand dollars in IGG refunds. People with million-dollar IP's raking in cash from Walmart don't act like that, especially if the initial IGG money is safe in a lockbox untouched. Hell, why is such a high-roller doing a drawing livestream for 13 people in the first place? The Walmart venture is failing, that's why. He's going to end up owing them money, not the other way around and the stress of that reality is hitting home.

I didn't listen to his breakdown, and I didn't cost him any refunds. He's wrong about that. He cost himself refunds.

I don't know if the Wal Mart deal is working or not. You could be correct that it isn't, and that's why Mitch is stressed out.

It's more likely though that Mitch put the proverbial (not literal) cart before the horse, and didn't place a priority on actually producing the single comic book that was the seed
of ALLEGIANCE ARTS and the Wal Mart deal. He let that $200K, which was mostly raised not to spend, but to show investors a PERCEIVED VALUE, sit around until the backers that gave it
to him got frustrated and angry, and began demanding refunds.

You could be right that now, after all, the Breitweisers need that money in the end.

That would be unfortunate.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

This is my fault. I forgot about the concentrated autism here on Kiwi Farms. Let me try again.

Nice ad hominem to start.

It's EASY to get a deal with Wal Mart. Wal Mart doesn't discriminate all that much. All the Breitweisers had to do is get a meeting with one of the newsstand magazine distributors that furnish puzzlebooks to Target and WalMart, and agree to their terms. It cost them nothing, and the answer was a quick yes. I was there for that meeting.

How much did it cost to print a million copies of the books? Where did that money come from?

3,500 stores. 3 titles. 3 issues of each. Say 100 copies per store? Or was it only 10? Not really worth the effort if only planning on selling 10 copies, so I'm thinking closer to 100. Somewhere between 350,000 and 3.5 million books, I';ll settle for a million. You tell me how much it costs to print a million of those books. $200k? That's a gamble.

The reason why Marvel and DC aren't in Wal Mart with their REGULAR periodicals now is because of their prior exclusive deal with DIAMOND and the Direct Market, which used to be a good arrangement for them, (Local Comic Shops only, but NO RETURNS) but now isn't such a good deal, because there aren't as many comic shops.

The bigger reason - as you've said yourself many times - is returnability. The vendor/producer has to agree to take back all unsold product at their own cost and eat it. Marvel and DC wouldn't do that, instead forcing local stores to eat the crap that wouldn't sell.

Let me repeat: It didn't cost the Breitweisers ANYTHING to get this deal. There was no risk of IGG backers money, because...

Let me repeat: Walmart didn't pay to print all that product. IGG backers did. It's zero risk for Walmart because Mitch carries all of that risk. My local Walmart still has all of their first shipment of the first issues collecting dust (nice price stickers too). They're about to be returned with the display box that's in tatters. They never even received the second issue. COVID.

You know what I'm saying is true. Why you're still defending this guy is beyond me, especially when everything I just typed has been said by you on your own streams over the past year.

I didn't listen to his breakdown, and I didn't cost him any refunds. He's wrong about that. He cost himself refunds.

I agree. He's in "find someone to blame" mode now though. You should listen, that doesn't sound like someone with the initial $200k at the ready in case of refunds.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

I got my refund from Mitch today. I was an early backer, #32, but I'd rather have my money back at this point. Plus they completely butchered Mark's script. This was the first and only campaign I ever asked for a refund from.

 

[FROG]

Nice ad hominem to start.




How much did it cost to print a million copies of the books? Where did that money come from?

3,500 stores. 3 titles. 3 issues of each. Say 100 copies per store? Or was it only 10? Not really worth the effort if only planning on selling 10 copies, so I'm thinking closer to 100. Somewhere between 350,000 and 3.5 million books, I';ll settle for a million. You tell me how much it costs to print a million of those books. $200k? That's a gamble.




The bigger reason - as you've said yourself many times - is returnability. The vendor/producer has to agree to take back all unsold product at their own cost and eat it. Marvel and DC wouldn't do that, instead forcing local stores to eat the crap that wouldn't sell.




Let me repeat: Walmart didn't pay to print all that product. IGG backers did. It's zero risk for Walmart because Mitch carries all of that risk. My local Walmart still has all of their first shipment of the first issues collecting dust (nice price stickers too). They're about to be returned with the display box that's in tatters. They never even received the second issue. COVID.

You know what I'm saying is true. Why you're still defending this guy is beyond me, especially when everything I just typed has been said by you on your own streams over the past year.




I agree. He's in "find someone to blame" mode now though. You should listen, that doesn't sound like someone with the initial $200k at the ready in case of refunds.

Fucking hell. For the THIRD TIME.

INVESTORS PAID TO PRINT THOSE BOOKS.

NOT IGG BACKERS.

Wealthy Arkanasians decided it was a good bet and gave the Breitweisers a ton of money based on the roaring success of their crowdfund, which they spent on office space, and printing a lot of comics for WalMart.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Fucking hell. For the THIRD TIME.

INVESTORS PAID TO PRINT THOSE BOOKS.

NOT IGG BACKERS.

Wealthy Arkanasians decided it was a good bet and gave the Breitweisers a ton of money based on the roaring success of their crowdfund, which they spent on office space, and printing a lot of comics for WalMart.

Mitch put up zero dollars? Those would be the most generous investors I've ever heard of. Mitch must be the luckiest guy around, all these risk-free deals.

 

[Least Concern]

To quote the glorious feeder "there's nothing wrong with doxing." Everything is publicly available information that is aggregated all in one place for a specific purpose. What is done with the dox is another story, for example if an employer is contacted in an effort to get the person fired or the individual is swatted etc. The purpose of the dox could be for something nefarious like cancel culture, it could be karma, revenge or it could even just be for laughs. It depends on the motive of the doxer and the dox itself, not all doxing is malicious.

I see doxing as a sort of memento mori. A reminder to people who might be getting a little too full of themselves on the Internet that they do have a connection to the real world just like all the rest of us.

That said, if you're taking someone's dox and contacting their employer or landlord or some shit when they're not in any actual danger to themselves or others, you're a retard.

My plan is to be quite happy with the money IGG backers are giving me to make CYBERFROG comics.

So your IGG backers give you money to make your frog books, but the Breitweisers' IGG backers didn't give them money to make their chicken books. Is that correct?

 

[FROG]

So your IGG backers give you money to make your frog books, but the Breitweisers' IGG backers didn't give them money to make their chicken books. Is that correct?

1. IGG backers gave them money to make ONE CHICKEN BOOK.

2. They showed very wealthy people, private investors, that IGG backers gave them money to make ONE CHICKEN BOOK, and convinced very wealthy people to give them LOTS MORE MONEY to start an entire CHICKEN BOOK BUSINESS that would be distributed in WalMart.

3. These investors were gambling on the success of the CHICKEN BOOK BUSINESS, the Breitweisers were NOT gambling with IGG backers money or their own.

4. The IGG backers money was still intended to pay for ONE CHICKEN BOOK, but the ONE CHICKEN BOOK got lost in the shuffle of creating the entire CHICKEN BOOK BUSINESS that investors gave them money to create.

5. They used the investors money to rent office space, and hire creative teams to draw and write THREE OTHER BOOKS for their CHICKEN BOOK BUSINESS called ALLEGIANCE ARTS.

6. All of this happened while ONE CHICKEN BOOK didn't get finished, because Mitch was very busy running the CHICKEN BOOK BUSINESS that was paid for by private investors who gave them money on the strength of the money they showed that IGG backers contributed in that first campaign.

7. Mitch's plan was THE CHICKEN BOOK BUSINESS. He forgot how hard it is to make a single comic book. It takes ALL of your attention.

8. To make matters worse, the Breitweisers don't make money on YouTube like I do, so all of their household expenses were being paid by doing coloring work for the mainstream. That took most of their creative time and energy that should have gone towards ONE CHICKEN BOOK.

9. My entire business is just fulfilling my IGG campaigns while talking on YouTube. So I'm not looking for more investors to grow into a bigger business, I'm just making comics and selling those comics on the internet. My household bills are paid via YouTube superchats and ad revenue, so I'm actually being paid to promote my own business. For now this is working great. There's no risk, and I've made more money in the last 3 years than I would have in 12 years at DC Comics.

It won't last forever, so I'll have to adapt when YouTube stops paying me enough, or people lose interest in CyberFrog, but that's a lonnnnng way down. I'll probably be able to retire before then.

 

[Least Concern]

Okay, then I guess we're mostly on the same page. I do feel like earlier you were implying the IGG backers bought an idea of a chicken book business instead of an actual chicken book, but perhaps I (and others) misinterpreted you.