#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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We are watching this from the perspective of a moving individual. I mean. Wow. It's not hard to understand.
Stand in front of a window. Look outside and turn your head from side to side, tilt it and take a half step to the left. Perspective will not switch from worms eye to table height to adult height and the furniture and walls won't move.

Perspective changes when the viewer's position changes and or when elevation changes. Not when on tilts their head to the side or faces slightly to the left.

It's not hard to understand.
 
You asked why better artists don't do what he does, because they are most likely drawing more than one book per year, and they definitely don't want to sell their souls to become outrage peddlers incessantly bitching about Star Wars chasing after CPM or making hours of non-content reading super chats and grumbling with the most boring 40 year old men.
The comic industry is the story of countless talented artists who died poor and in obscurity. I don't think it's the burn you think it is to point to guys like Bill Finger or Jerry Siegel and say "Hey they didn't sell out by pandering to the masses" or whatever.
 
Hahaaaa. Me? Mad at the internet? Oh there you go again! Why would I be mad at the internet when you guys give me so much Garmonbozia? Ethan kept TUG around way to long not to be aware of his BS. There is no "right" or "wrong", only what is good or bad for his brand. That's it guys! I'm just here to remind you of that fact as some of you once again expect virtual reality to pop out of a lenticular trading card.

I laugh again when JDA thinks he's going to have support from Ethan when he wants to stand up to the Trannies. Ethan, Hambly, and now Griggs are all rainbow warriors! If nothing else this should prove to everyone that the word "conservative" doesn't hold much meaning with these guys.

In the end we are just talking about comic books. But even at a cursory glance, the hope that this would ever be a return to Comic Industry greatness was completely off. Even Wetworks, the most delayed title from Image, equals Sciverfraud in timeliness but smokes him in output. Think you'll get 43 issues worth of content in 4 years? Ethan is garnish without the main course and most of his friends are condiments about 2 years past their expiration date. By far their greatest contribution is the sideshow antics and the livestreams long enough to babysit men hiding from their life partners for days.
 
The comic industry is the story of countless talented artists who died poor and in obscurity. I don't think it's the burn you think it is to point to guys like Bill Finger or Jerry Siegel and say "Hey they didn't sell out by pandering to the masses" or whatever.
You don't have to tell me, I am just stating realistically why they don't and why grifters do, because they have nothing better to do or create than daily non-content that gets spit out to people thanks to algorithms and they don't aspire to do really anything more than that.

I wish creative people or people that pushed humanity forward always got rewarded for it but sadly the times are not always that nice. Nikola Tesla died poor and e-thots are rewarded big time, c'est la vie, but let's not delude ourselves on what people's "success" is really based on.
 
I never once called him untalented, I took issue with multiple people calling him "legendary" and that's why DC pays him, not because he designed characters that ended up in video games etc.
Like it or not, he's influential. That character from that video game was in a comic book he drew. He's a legend DC wishes they could forget. I'm sure management wishes those thirteen/fourteen books he did with Geoff Johns were drawn by Gary Frank, David Finch, or Jim Lee.
Man, he drew a cringe character that a writer made him for one whole issue? Whoah, I guess that means all the wild composition and unique ways to play with panels does not matter?
And no one else has ever done wild composition and unique panel design (which was janky and made the story harder to understand at times.).
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Or the fact he kept his style Fresh by changing it for Season two with art that looks like it came straight out of Heavy Metal when the issues demanded it.

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Those would be the two biggest reasons I think he's definitely one of if not the best.
Not the best. Not even close...
Nice to know you pirate your comics there. Good cherry pick. I don't like the stories, but in terms of storytelling, Neal Adams is king. The covers for that series, the way he drew the characters and the angles and methods he used. You talk about paneling and all that. Those are things Jim Steranko and Neal Adams revolutionized.

Ask Liam Sharpe if he's cribed from Neal Adams.

I'm reading through the Venditti GL run right now which features a lot of @FROG work. Here's the deal, EVS frequently has weird hinky poses and his anatomy is not always correct but his work has a style and soul to it. These are comics, they aren't photorealism, as long as the art does not take away from the story, it's successful. I love that I can instantly identify work by EVS. That's part of what makes comics fun. I like to think of it like the difference between rock and roll and classical music. Comics are rock and roll and EVS is a killer lead guitarist.

That's....I hate that. It's such a cop out. "It's like punk music man." No, comic book artwork is not music, but anyone who actually can play guitar would point out there is a right way to play it.

Anatomy doesn't have to be perfect because this isn't a painted portrait. It's okay to like a style. I like Rob Liefeld, kindof. In small doses. Ethan's problem is he started out with a clearly cartoonist style with Image influence and then developed a more realistic style.

Someone mentioned Greg Capullo earlier. He's drawn differently and at one point he'd became a McFarlane clone for a while. Good Artists evolve and they have a technique. Watch Ethan's videos on drawing.

they are most likely drawing more than one book per year,
Yet they have hours to post on twitter, host drink and draw streams, and many have YouTube shows and go to conventions....
and they definitely don't want to sell their souls to become outrage peddlers incessantly bitching about Star Wars chasing after CPM or making hours of non-content reading super chats and grumbling with the most boring 40 year old men.

Selling souls is a bit much. I mean, you kindof have to sell your soul to the woke godsTM to get work at DC and Marvel.

If Quarter Pounder can do it and "people" like Sargon then anyone can, that kind of support is hollow at best.

Yet, despite him being transparent greedy, thin skinned, and boring, they keep supporting him.

I agree the key to his success has very little to nothing to do with the product and instead is on his cult of personality and EVS monetizing his cultural war grievance's very well.

So be the bestest artist evah that no one reads? Gotcha.

The comic industry is the story of countless talented artists who died poor and in obscurity. I don't think it's the burn you think it is to point to guys like Bill Finger or Jerry Siegel and say "Hey they didn't sell out by pandering to the masses" or whatever.

Hey, Siegal's great grandkids may eventually see a Man of Steel royalty check!

You don't have to tell me, I am just stating realistically why they don't and why grifters do, because they have nothing better to do or create than daily non-content that gets spit out to people thanks to algorithms and they don't aspire to do really anything more than that.

I wish creative people or people that pushed humanity forward always got rewarded for it but sadly the times are not always that nice. Nikola Tesla died poor and e-thots are rewarded big time, c'est la vie, but let's not delude ourselves on what people's "success" is really based on.

Putting funny book artists with Nicky Tesla may be a bit much.

And you're an A-logging faggot.
Huh?
Just because you're not quite as retarded as Absurdity doesn't mean you're off the hook.
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The fact I can go months without posting here while you need to have regular contact with EVS says plenty.

Eww, no thanks. I don't go behind Pizza Parlors like a certain glorious leader.

I come here because this is entertainment and Ethan has been boring. Go back to your CG hug box faggot.

What makes it funnier is that every time I see your posts, I only hear Starscream's whiny voice.

Wasn't Starscream always betraying his leader? Is Starscreams Cape Warcampaign?
 
This is getting retarded.
Be civil. Don't get angry over Lolcows. If you need to tell people you're better than someone, you're probably not.
 
Well then it's official: Ethan really is a lolcow! 8)

Chris Chan and Russel Greer are lolcows. Even Preston and Liam qualify as lolcows. Ethan is more of a shockjock type that surrounds himself with lolcow types. There is a huge difference.
Aside from the act he puts on youtube, there is nothing cowish about him. He is a normal guy with a family who is running his own business. He doesn’t do or has not done stupid, humiliating stuff that would warrant the tag of lolcow.

Not liking someone doesn’t qualify them as an lolcow.
 
You don't have to tell me, I am just stating realistically why they don't and why grifters do, because they have nothing better to do or create than daily non-content that gets spit out to people thanks to algorithms and they don't aspire to do really anything more than that.

I wish creative people or people that pushed humanity forward always got rewarded for it but sadly the times are not always that nice. Nikola Tesla died poor and e-thots are rewarded big time, c'est la vie, but let's not delude ourselves on what people's "success" is really based on.
Realistically, online self-marketing has been grudgingly acknowledged by pros outside of CG as a road to greater success than the mainstream can supply regardless of whether or not you call it a "grift" or put success in quotation marks.


Earlier today for example, David and Meredith Finch (who passed Zack in subscribers last month) just had Jason Fabok of Three Jokers on his show for a youtube interview. Finch is applying pretty much everything that worked with CG without the ocean of retards that came with it and it's not hard to see where Fabok is headed given that he's left his A-List DC contract for an unspecified creator-owned project with Geoff Johns, all facilitated by Nick Barrucci who's working on a new, sanitized pocket version of CG.


And let's face it, if livestreaming existed 30 years ago, Stan Lee would have been the first to embrace it. The guy was putting out pretty much the same content through mail-order VHS.
 
Chris Chan and Russel Greer are lolcows. Even Preston and Liam qualify as lolcows. Ethan is more of a shockjock type that surrounds himself with lolcow types. There is a huge difference.
Aside from the act he puts on youtube, there is nothing cowish about him. He is a normal guy with a family who is running his own business. He doesn’t do or has not done stupid, humiliating stuff that would warrant the tag of lolcow.

Not liking someone doesn’t qualify them as an lolcow.

I was goofing on 5t3n0's quoting of the KF policy. I personally don't consider Ethan a lolcow, he's too culpable and capable for that so far... the minute he starts getting desperate though, we might see the udders come out.
 
Realistically, online self-marketing has been grudgingly acknowledged by pros outside of CG as a road to greater success than the mainstream can supply regardless of whether or not you call it a "grift" or put success in quotation marks.


Earlier today for example, David and Meredith Finch (who passed Zack in subscribers last month) just had Jason Fabok of Three Jokers on his show for a youtube interview. Finch is applying pretty much everything that worked with CG without the ocean of retards that came with it and it's not hard to see where Fabok is headed given that he's left his A-List DC contract for an unspecified creator-owned project with Geoff Johns, all facilitated by Nick Barrucci who's working on a new, sanitized pocket version of CG.
Neat, wonder how that Image publishing deal shakes out for them down the road?

And let's face it, if livestreaming existed 30 years ago, Stan Lee would have been the first to embrace it. The guy was putting out pretty much the same content through mail-order VHS.

Oh, Stan was on the Youtubes. He loved the twatters and the faceybeaks.

Shilling is as old as comic books.

I was goofing on 5t3n0's quoting of the KF policy. I personally don't consider Ethan a lolcow, he's too culpable and capable for that so far... the minute he starts getting desperate though, we might see the udders come out.

True. I'm genuinely curious just how involved he was in gayops but every falling out he has people promise DMs and fail to deliver.

I've proposed several times that no single CG figure is big enough or tismy enough to be a cow (except TUG or Liam Grey). It's the confluence of these people together and the extreme synergy with one another that produce the Ubercow that is CG as a movement.
 
Realistically, online self-marketing has been grudgingly acknowledged by pros outside of CG as a road to greater success than the mainstream can supply regardless of whether or not you call it a "grift" or put success in quotation marks.
I am not refereeing to marketing yourself or your product as grifting you would have to be dense to think that, however chasing CPM for outrage bucks on youtube by bitching about Star Wars and building a fanbase around that to buy your whatever you put out regardless of what, is. I mean I think its pretty clear what people's enthusiasm about the art and work is from his audience
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vs enthusiasm for outrage bait
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Its quite clear where the bread is buttered at least when it comes to views and audience retention.
It's great that a lot of these artists are using online platforms to try to reach a larger audience as infantile as their attempts are, but let's get real on why CG has a dedicated army of simps that are or were willing to throw money at the likes of Liam,TUG etc. It's not about the product, I mean if you take a look at what videos are most popular on EVS channel none of them are actually about his books just outrage bait. It's great that Frog is successful but its not at marketing his art or product it's outrage, and from that perspective it's why "better artists" are not as successful with their online footprint as EVS which is what this whole autistic conversation spiraled out of. I did not think so many people would be taken aback by that fact.

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Realistically, online self-marketing has been grudgingly acknowledged by pros outside of CG as a road to greater success than the mainstream can supply regardless of whether or not you call it a "grift" or put success in quotation marks.


Earlier today for example, David and Meredith Finch (who passed Zack in subscribers last month) just had Jason Fabok of Three Jokers on his show for a youtube interview. Finch is applying pretty much everything that worked with CG without the ocean of retards that came with it and it's not hard to see where Fabok is headed given that he's left his A-List DC contract for an unspecified creator-owned project with Geoff Johns, all facilitated by Nick Barrucci who's working on a new, sanitized pocket version of CG.


And let's face it, if livestreaming existed 30 years ago, Stan Lee would have been the first to embrace it. The guy was putting out pretty much the same content through mail-order VHS.

Well, here's a difference I can think of between the two: Stan shilled for Marvel in a purely positive manner like a true pitchman, and Ethan shills for Ethan by negging on others like a shock jock. Stan didn't own Marvel but he did work to make it famous and genuinely helped those around him later in life and being known as an upbeat spokesman for comic books in general. It's what helped redeem him in my eyes. Ethan will never represent anything greater than himself. He might graft and grift pieces and parts of different hashtags but he'll never plunge into the work of stoking the popular imagination in the positive way that Stan did. The only way Sciverfraud looks like a hero is if he has a steady supply of villains to throw himself up against. Stan Lee didn't need that at all. You'd be hard pressed to find him saying anything negative beyond a playful jab, even about his greatest competition in DC.

I am not refereeing to marketing yourself or your product as grifting you would have to be dense to think that, however chasing CPM for outrage bucks on youtube by bitching about Star Wars and building a fanbase around that to buy your whatever you put out regardless of what, is. I mean I think its pretty clear what people's enthusiasm about the art and work is from his audience
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vs enthusiasm for outrage bait
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Its quite clear where the bread is buttered at least when it comes to views and audience retention.
It's great that a lot of these artists are using online platforms to try to reach a larger audience as infantile as their attempts are, but let's get real on why CG has a dedicated army of simps that are or were willing to throw money at the likes of Liam,TUG etc. It's not about the product, I mean if you take a look at what videos are most popular on EVS channel none of them are actually about his books just outrage bait. It's great that Frog is successful but its not at marketing his art or product it's outrage, and from that perspective it's why "better artists" are not as successful with their online footprint as EVS which is what this whole autistic conversation spiraled out of. I did not think so many people would be taken aback by that fact.

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Realistically, online self-marketing has been grudgingly acknowledged by pros outside of CG as a road to greater success than the mainstream can supply regardless of whether or not you call it a "grift" or put success in quotation marks.


Earlier today for example, David and Meredith Finch (who passed Zack in subscribers last month) just had Jason Fabok of Three Jokers on his show for a youtube interview. Finch is applying pretty much everything that worked with CG without the ocean of retards that came with it and it's not hard to see where Fabok is headed given that he's left his A-List DC contract for an unspecified creator-owned project with Geoff Johns, all facilitated by Nick Barrucci who's working on a new, sanitized pocket version of CG.


And let's face it, if livestreaming existed 30 years ago, Stan Lee would have been the first to embrace it. The guy was putting out pretty much the same content through mail-order VHS.
When Dave Finch launches his crowdfunded comic, it's going to double mine. That guy's art is like candy.

Mister Dongs, sir, I agree about Stan Lee and livestreaming. He would obviously take advantage of this technology and outreach, because he was a carny barker at heart, and this is a terrific communication tool.

Now let me gay cry for a second: I can only take it personally that my continued success in the face of withering adversity hasn't earned me any respect around here. It really makes me feel like I am trespassing here on this Reylo-doxing website. Maybe SJWSpiderman is right about that. I disavow you all.

Except for Starscream's Cape and TrunksFromDragonBallGT
 
I am not refereeing to marketing yourself or your product as grifting you would have to be dense to think that, however chasing CPM for outrage bucks on youtube by bitching about Star Wars and building a fanbase around that to buy your whatever you put out regardless of what, is. I mean I think its pretty clear what people's enthusiasm about the art and work is from his audience
While I'm sure Frog (or anyone) would like to get half a million views making languid drawstreams, chicken scratching out a panel while fighting off sleep and shit or something else more conforming to arbitrary comic artist youtube purity standards, it just doesn't seem to be what the majority of potential viewers are into. And the first rule of selling anything is going where the customers are. If you aren't willing to do that, maybe being responsible for selling your own product isn't for you and instead you should work on your "lovebombing" Mags Visaggio skills so you don't get accused of psychic rape in a dream from one of the nutbags who got an in via Warren Ellis' casting couch.

It's not the first time I've heard the complaint either that the comics themselves are becoming a form of merchandise of the online persona either; mostly from Liam Gray and then later by Mike S Miller, usually after privating all their content or sperging for a six hour stretch about bitcoin in 3 in the morning. They want to make comics, not waste time being youtubers. But if that's the case why be online at all? Why doesn't Mike just sell his comics from a homemade booth on the side of the road? The comics are just as good either way.

The real problem that comes up is people that are very good at marketing themselves find it way easier to just get someone to superchat them a hassle-free 25 bucks instead of going through the process of creating and fulfilling an actual product.
 
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