#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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Elwood P. Dowd said:
What I think we can say there's no way in hell the CG audience is large enough to support that many "creators."
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I don't think there's enough business acumen on display to support the formation of a large(r) audience.

The biggest practical issue I've had with CG, as an outsider looking in, is that their fulfilment delays (on average) are fucking ridiculous. The gay infighting is probably a very close second.

Every once and awhile, D&V will show a spreadsheet on their show, tracking the deflection rate between campaign ending and fulfilment. It always looks like ass for the vast majority of the projects and creators out there.

I get that this started out as a resistance movement to "teh SJWs," but the apparent desire here is to also turn it into a viable business. Start treating it like a business that has a business reputation to uphold. It's difficult for "normies" to want to back something if they have little faith when or if they'll receive a finished product.

Despite all the gushing I've done about Kamen America, KA3 was actually the first comic project I backed (i.e. didn't just buy from Iconic Comics like a normal product order, and had sent to me in a matter of days). After the first two issues, it was abundantly clear that Tim and Mark had their shit wired together correctly. Point being, I didn't support them on blind faith.

Elwood P. Dowd said:
And WarCampaign is barely a twitter hashtag at this point, I can't imagine we'll be hearing from them again.
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Nah, they're around. They'll impetuously continue to be around. They're just a fucking joke, and everybody knows it.
 
Captain Manning said:
I don't think there's enough business acumen on display to support the formation of a large(r) audience.

The biggest practical issue I've had with CG, as an outsider looking in, is that their fulfilment delays (on average) are fucking ridiculous. The gay infighting is probably a very close second.

Every once and awhile, D&V will show a spreadsheet on their show, tracking the deflection rate between campaign ending and fulfilment. It always looks like ass for the vast majority of the projects and creators out there.

I get that this started out as a resistance movement to "teh SJWs," but the apparent desire here is to also turn it into a viable business. Start treating it like a business that has a business reputation to uphold. It's difficult for "normies" to want to back something if they have little faith when or if they'll receive a finished product.

Despite all the gushing I've done about Kamen America, KA3 was actually the first comic project I backed (i.e. didn't just buy from Iconic Comics like a normal product order, and had sent to me in a matter of days). After the first two issues, it was abundantly clear that Tim and Mark had their shit wired together correctly. Point being, I didn't support them on blind faith.


Nah, they're around. They'll impetuously continue to be around. They're just a fucking joke, and everybody knows it.
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I'm wondering if Vestige 2 is ever going to get released.
 
Jawbreakers Update:
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We'll see if this stands, but I'm not gonna hold my breath.
 
Captain Manning said:
I get that this started out as a resistance movement to "teh SJWs," but the apparent desire here is to also turn it into a viable business. Start treating it like a business that has a business reputation to uphold. It's difficult for "normies" to want to back something if they have little faith when or if they'll receive a finished product.

Despite all the gushing I've done about Kamen America, KA3 was actually the first comic project I backed (i.e. didn't just buy from Iconic Comics like a normal product order, and had sent to me in a matter of days). After the first two issues, it was abundantly clear that Tim and Mark had their shit wired together correctly. Point being, I didn't support them on blind faith.
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This is how I learned my lesson. I backed 5 crowdfunded books between late 2018 and mid 2020. Not a great amount of material but still kind of expensive. 4 of the 5 books I backed were CG books (at the time, anyway) which were being promoted on CAPS. Of those 4 books, the only one I got that was on time and undamaged was Bigfoot Bill. The others were late, bent and/or creased and while not 100% shit content-wise, not really good enough to justify being that expensive, late, and gay.

The last book I backed was Duncan Jones and Alex de Campi's MADI: Once Upon a Time in the Future on Kickstarter. Yes, Alex de Campi is insufferable but I backed it because I liked Duncan Jones and the art looked absolutely stunning. The book was late, the customer service outreach from de Campi was fucking dismal and condescending, and the updates were peppered with leftist bullshit. I got it 4 months after it was expected but in the end I paid $39 for an oversized, 290 page hardcover with some bonuses and it was honestly worth the wait. Just an amazing looking book made by many talented creators for a good price. If every crowdfunded book was of that quality, the lateness wouldn't be too much of a factor for me.

After going 2 for 5 on my experiences as a backer, I'm not too interested in anything that's coming out of the crowdfunded comics scene. The concept of paying $25-$50 for a 48 page floppy that may be a year late and put together by an amateur level talent doesn't make me want to grab my wallet again.
 
Miniluv said:
This is how I learned my lesson. I backed 5 crowdfunded books between late 2018 and mid 2020. Not a great amount of material but still kind of expensive. 4 of the 5 books I backed were CG books (at the time, anyway) which were being promoted on CAPS. Of those 4 books, the only one I got that was on time and undamaged was Bigfoot Bill. The others were late, bent and/or creased and while not 100% shit content-wise, not really good enough to justify being that expensive, late, and gay.
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It's interesting to me that the campaigns that actually worked out smoothly were done by people who are not really in Comicsgate. TenNaple is disinterested in CG now, and Mark + Tim were apparently tossed out of CG for the gayest reason imaginable.

Doug, whatever other faults he may have, has always struck me as a guy with a good work ethic. Same with Tim and Mark.

I know the CG faithful will try and claim that two data points don't point to a trend, but I've theorized that all the CG infighting and posturing is ultimately deleterious to productivity. The ones that don't engage in that, and knuckle down at the work bench, are the ones shipping on time.

Ultimately, I wouldn't say crowdfunding comics is bad, but I am definitely leery of crowdfunding anything by somebody neck-deep in CG. There is already a stigma even without Preston's vomit-inducing approval mark.
 
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Captain Manning said:
It's interesting to me that the campaigns that actually worked out smoothly were done by people who are not really in Comicsgate. TenNaple is disinterested in CG now, and Mark + Tim were apparently tossed out of CG for the gayest reason imaginable.

Doug, whatever other faults he may have, has always struck me as a guy with a good work ethic. Same with Tim and Mark.
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Personally, I think Doug is an absolute fucking weirdo with a lot of strange ideas that go beyond just being a somewhat fringe Christian. That weirdness is also what fuels his creativity and in the end he sold me a professionally produced, fun to read graphic novel in a gorgeous package.

I don't watch his videos, I don't give a single shit about the drama he's involved with now or in the past, and I really don't care what other people think of him. As a customer, he gave me a good product in a timely fashion for a reasonable price. I didn't back BFB2 because of some cutbacks in discretionary income I made due to Covid stuff impacting my work, but I'd have no problem backing something he did in the future.

He may very well be a manipulative, backstabbing megalomaniac that justifies his bad behavior with his own piety by dovetailing his desires with the will of God, but HE MAKES A GOOD PRODUCT IN A TIMELY FASHION. If you want me to drop $60 on your book, you better be able to say the same.
 
Miniluv said:
I don't watch his videos, I don't give a single shit about the drama he's involved with now or in the past, and I really don't care what other people think of him. As a customer, he gave me a good product in a timely fashion for a reasonable price.
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Exactly.

Doug did that for me back in 1994. He's been pretty consistent at it. Earthworm Jim is a legit good game.

Yeah, he's probably a fucking weirdo, and I have to admit certain aspects of his politics are kinda gross (even for those of us that are not SJWs), but because I am not expected to eat Thanksgiving dinner with the man, I really don't give a shit.
 
Miniluv said:
After going 2 for 5 on my experiences as a backer, I'm not too interested in anything that's coming out of the crowdfunded comics scene. The concept of paying $25-$50 for a 48 page floppy that may be a year late and put together by an amateur level talent doesn't make me want to grab my wallet again.
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This is why my willingness to back campaigns has gone down recently as well. As it stands, I am still waiting on 17 projects that were due in 2020, and even some that were due in 2019. That plus the severe lack of quality that I've commented on several times has made me lose a lot of faith in CG. It's getting to the point where I'm less likely to back a newcomer until they've proven themselves competent, and I'm almost certainly not going to be a repeat backer for creators whose projects have disappointed me in the past. I have spent thousands on crowdfunded comics over the past couple of years. Most of that money was spent foolishly and regrettably.
 
Good posts. The Zeitgeist moves on. Those who can manage to put out a professional product will survive, however meagerly that will be in the nomad crowdfunding comic industry. And as much as I don't like Sciverfrog and hate his methods and ethics, if he manages to get back to what made him famous in the first place without the contrived drama, then he's earned his spot and he can set the Guinness record for highest selling rainbow frog books for all I care. Though at this moment I think his borrowed "movement" is best described as ComicsLate.

Smug Freiza said:
I will attempt to give you an explanation but a lot of the facts still remain unclear.

From my point of view these current events were set in motion mid to late last year with Warcampaign leaving Comicsgate and Preston's Comicsgate™ faction imploding upon itself with various infighting and drama. Warcampaign's leaving was documented heavily at the time, so I won't repeat myself there but what largely flew under the radar was the disintegration of Preston's faction.

It mostly occurred during the time Preston was setting up a Comicsgate™ shared universe wiki and a competition to fund a comic book. At some point for various reasons several conflicts occurred between several of Preston's key allies/associates/friends which ended up with them all walking away. Preston's right hand man Zombienomicon dropped off the face of the earth, Mecha McCheese left for greener pastures with Mike S Miller's DnQ crew, VikkiVerse and DA Talks left to do their own show, the SWC brothers tired of Preston's attempts to cozy up to Warcampaign and abandoned him, The Comic Book Hut accused Preston of being a degenerate drug addict and completely disassociated himself while Jon Del Arroz left after Preston scolded his behavior.

Each of these key allies filled an essential role in Preston's faction and the loss of all of them in the space of several months severely damaged his channel's viewership, especially since the respective fans and audience members of each personality left with them.

With the loss of Warcampaign, Comicsgate has entered a phase of healing. We've seen both Jon Del Arroz and Nasser Rabadi rejoin the movement. VikkiVerse and DA Talks have a warming relationship with both Frog and several other Comicsgate personalities. There was even an attempt to bring Mike S Miller back into the fold, he refused, but still has appeared recently with Jon Malin and Frog on the JACK Show.

TLDR - with Warcampaign gone, the main criticism of Comicsgate has largely been addressed and rectified. Several of the critics of Comicsgate have now returned under a general amnesty agreement and the focus of Comicsgate has shifted from finding enemies within, to returning to fighting the enemy without (the SJW mainstream.)

It was being published and still is as far as I'm aware. I've been meaning to add this to the thread but I kept forgetting, Jon Lamont launched a Kickstarter for his weird comic and it was cancelled after several days.
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It may have been cancelled since it technically broke the ToS of Kickstarter by having sexualized content of a character under the age of 18.
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Though looking at these variant covers, the main character appears to be far younger than 17, images have been censored and will be spoilered below.

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You can see the logo of Preston Poulters Comicsgate™ visible in the top right corner of each of the variant covers on the campaign.
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I'm looking forward to a Judge and Jury being presented these images and archives and not thinking the exact same thing that DA Talks and almost everyone else did.
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Peggy Sue Poulter beats out Liam so far for hate muse of the year and I thought Liam had it locked down early. I am continually amazed at how much of a garbage human being you can cram into one guy. Even thinking about making a meme about that bastard means I have to think about his degeneracy and the unforgiveable pedo-knighting. Now the C&D of DA&V? Leroy-assisted suicide when?
 
Captain Manning said:
Nah, they're around. They'll impetuously continue to be around. They're just a fucking joke, and everybody knows it.
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WarCampaign are around and they will remain to a joke but they are biding their time until they like JDA and Nasser can slide back in.

I give them a 60/40 chance of getting that 'redemption arc' in SciverGate over the next three years. There's certainly precedent and stranger things have definitely happened in ComicsGay.
 
Absurdity said:
Peggy Sue Poulter beats out Liam so far for hate muse of the year and I thought Liam had it locked down early. I am continually amazed at how much of a garbage human being you can cram into one guy. Even thinking about making a meme about that bastard means I have to think about his degeneracy and the unforgiveable pedo-knighting. Now the C&D of DA&V? Leroy-assisted suicide when?
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I thought Liam would get it too. Realistically though, what Preston and Lamont are doing is something that everybody can instantly grasp. To explain to an outsider why Liam sucks, you have to give a bit of backstory and technical explanation (e.g. why are the pages messed up).

I remember back in May of 2020, I wandered into this thread and ruffled quite a few feathers because I could not, for the life of me, figure out why @FROG was more a subject of derision than Preston. Mind you, this would have been at about the same time that the cuck porn dropped. Null actually added it to the Happenings section of the site. It was pure gold. Nobody who doesn't intently follow CG gives much of a shit about CG, and Preston's sexual escapades is something that your average everyday person could laugh at. It's why he's so ass mad.

Now, about a year later, I find myself at much the same point where I think you would be hard pressed to find anybody orbiting CG who is more cretinous than Preston (and now Lamont).

People like TUG, Trashley, Liam, and WC are bad... sure. However, Preston and Lamont just did the most evil "hold my beer" I've ever seen.
 
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Unverified said:
This is why my willingness to back campaigns has gone down recently as well. As it stands, I am still waiting on 17 projects that were due in 2020, and even some that were due in 2019. That plus the severe lack of quality that I've commented on several times has made me lose a lot of faith in CG. It's getting to the point where I'm less likely to back a newcomer until they've proven themselves competent, and I'm almost certainly not going to be a repeat backer for creators whose projects have disappointed me in the past. I have spent thousands on crowdfunded comics over the past couple of years. Most of that money was spent foolishly and regrettably.
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Feel for ya bud! If it makes you feel better, at least your pile of useless/nonexistent CG comics is much smaller and easier to manage than my own giant pile of terrible 90s comics in my attic.

I looked at them recently while up there looking for something else, and was overwhelmed with shame and regret at the wasted money. I lamented poisoning my own brain with such worthless, useless hack work, that grossly misled me about what good comics are.

I want to burn these things, but they're all in fucking polybags!
It would take more time than it's worth, to unpack and burn them all.

So all they are now is a big heavy, non-biodegradable box of shame in my attic. At least your CG pile is physically small, due to the lack of output!

Your pile must be what, a foot high, at most?
Very burnable, just saying!

But to end on a more positive uplifting note, one positive thing we can definitely say about the CG godfathers, is that some of them are pretty good at comic drawing. Some of them are fairly good at drawing in that 90s comic book style. That's one good thing you definitely can say about the CG godfathers!
 
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