#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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Industry veteran J Scott Campbell has set off a saltnado by taking tumblrina "nonbinaryfinnmertens" "fixing" of his Mary Jane Watson pinup and fixing it himself.

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I don't see what their problem is, if you're gonna "correct" someone's art and post about it online, turnabout is only fair play.
You don't see what the problem is because you're not a fucking idiot with an agenda.

That said, a good case could be made that the "correct" way to deal with shit like this is to ignore it. They wanted attention. He gave it. Now they'll get more attention, and probably a Vox/Kotaku/whatever article putting him on blast. Said article will be less about the artwork, and more about the audacity of "this old white male" criticizing those criticizing him. Admiral Ackbar is probably facepalming.

One should first ask themselves if it's worth it. If you drew the official artwork, and the official artwork is the one that's officially sanctioned. why give a shit that SJWs molest it in their non-commercial circle jerk?
 
This is reaching levels of Based that should not be possible.

Major props for him handling it in the absolute best way and coming across with class by actually giving constructive feedback.

10/10 will gladly buy the next project from Campbell.
 
Trigger warning for @Mister Dongs, this clip may cause you gritted teeth!

Chuck Dixon lauding Zack's crazy ideas, out-of-the-box thinking and incredibly fertile mind:


Interesting to compare against Frog's characterisation of Zack on here, as a scatterbrained ADHD-afflicted dilettante.

Maybe they're both right in their own way?

Hah. I just watched that. To be fair, Chuck has terrible instincts as a publisher and even thinks what killed comics was them leaving news stands.

This is why my willingness to back campaigns has gone down recently as well. As it stands, I am still waiting on 17 projects that were due in 2020, and even some that were due in 2019. That plus the severe lack of quality that I've commented on several times has made me lose a lot of faith in CG. It's getting to the point where I'm less likely to back a newcomer until they've proven themselves competent, and I'm almost certainly not going to be a repeat backer for creators whose projects have disappointed me in the past. I have spent thousands on crowdfunded comics over the past couple of years. Most of that money was spent foolishly and regrettably.

Oof, that's awful.

I don't get it. I mean I get being annoyed with Zach for being late with his books but everyone is late with their books with few exceptions. I find it dismally unsurprising that Zach is one more crowd funder who isn't getting his book out on time. Why should he be any different.

Seems to me that anyone who is supporting a crowd funded book not done by Lim, TenNaple or Ernst at this point is getting exactly what they should expect after 3+ yrs of ComicsLate.

Months or years late delivery is the rule not the exception. I don't find this or the other books being late interesting enough to garner outrage. They get what they deserve.

Anyone backing CG books in 2020 or 21 and expecting them to be delivered even close to on time doesn't know CG.
Being late is practically a facet of crowdfunders. Rob Liefled's Brigade, B. Clay Moore's HD, Jamal Igle's Molly Danger, and Richard Pace's Midnight Harvest to name a few.

It's not exclusive to CG, but rather artists being lazy and lacking incentive to be productive under the current model.

Nothing in what you said makes me want to abandon my theory as to why there has been so many delays over the years. Certainly in years past, there's been a fuckton of infighting within CG. The infighting has clearly outweighed the productivity. While I agree correlation is not always causation, it sometimes can be.

Now? I dunno. Maybe people will pull their heads out of the ass and apply noses to grindstones.

Both here and with @VIkkiVerse and DA you talked about Renfamous actually doing the right thing, for once.

While I certainly commend her for not calling someone one of the worst things imaginable; I actually had to take a pause. It's like finding you agree with MovieBob on anything! You should pause and ask yourself...is Nassar actually into loli?

All joking aside, when you find yourself in bad company its a wake up call. For people in CG, your in the same company as the mainstream you spent two years ridiculing. For Warcampaign faggots, your making Renfamous seem like a decent person.

Yeah I say "right now" because there's always the possibility there could be even less infighting in the future, If Comicsgate was a completely dead movement for example, the infighting would be reduced to zero.

What would qualify as completely dead?

A good litmus test for this will be measuring Doug TenNapel pre and post-explosion in social media popularity and seeing if this impacts his productivity. Whenever he decides to stop trying to recapture his online momentum and go back to making comics that is
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I agree. Whether 'CG' audiences punish this behavior is what will change things.

Feel for ya bud! If it makes you feel better, at least your pile of useless/nonexistent CG comics is much smaller and easier to manage than my own giant pile of terrible 90s comics in my attic.

Ah, the 90s. Terrible though? Most of my 90s stuff is good quality.
 
Ah, the 90s. Terrible though? Most of my 90s stuff is good quality.
Well I guess it depends what you're comparing it to, maybe they're less worse than what came after? I stopped though, so they were definitely terrible enough to make me stop buying mainstream comics regularly, and move onto other things.

On a more general note, I'm pretty sure the 90s is just a shit decade and we shouldn't have nostalgia about it. All the supposedly great 90s movies are cringey and full of cheese too, much more so than the timeless immortal classics of the 80s. Am I wrong here? I think almost everything in the 90s sucked, I feel zero nostalgia for the entire decade.
 
STARBLADES is being shipped to my warehouse today. Should begin fulfillment next week.
From the Indiegogo page:
“I backed this back in the late 60’s during the Nixon administration. Glad to see it’s finally gone to print”
This comment made me laugh and re-affirms my biggest problem with the concept of crowdfunded publications.
 
Well I guess it depends what you're comparing it to, maybe they're less worse than what came after? I stopped though, so they were definitely terrible enough to make me stop buying mainstream comics regularly, and move onto other things.

On a more general note, I'm pretty sure the 90s is just a shit decade and we shouldn't have nostalgia about it. All the supposedly great 90s movies are cringey and full of cheese too, much more so than the timeless immortal classics of the 80s. Am I wrong here? I think almost everything in the 90s sucked, I feel zero nostalgia for the entire decade.

very wrong. The 90’s rocked. In my opinion, it was the best decade for comics. Especially compared to what came after it. A lot of the ideas that spawned out of the 90’s are still being rehashed today.
 
There isn't enough retarded shit in this thread lately. It's okay, guys. I'm here and I'm going to change that. Let's take on yet another journey of pure stupidity.

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Preston is at it again with his faggotry. The cease and desist is idiotic to anyone with or without an understanding of law. Pan was just making the rounds with the world's most obvious photoshopped DM's in an effort to paint Nassar as a pedophile, and the rest of his crew getting banned from Dlive multiple times for just slinging out the accusation to anyone. But sure, that gosh darn DA Talks is definitely worse for calling John Lamont a pedo with actual evidence to back it up. Upon looking at this, I decided to take a closer look at Johnnie Torch here, who's actively been taking a deep breath of Preston's farts. As of now, I've yet to run into a Preston supporter after the Lamont debacle that isn't pants on head retarded. Let's take a look at Johnnie, I'm sure he's better, right? Lol, fuck no he isn't.

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I hope you love that art there, we'll get into that later. Mr. Torchetti here is a "Slave to Jesus". I generally don't give a shit what your religion is, but there's always a fuck head that takes it too far and is too stupid to think for himself. He's that stereotypical Christian who will scream in pain if you show him a set of boobs, tightly clutching his pendant and praying his boner won't betray him.

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If you thought he was as stupid as he looks, your assumption is correct. Let's explore why that is. I don't believe he's a hardcore Preston supporter but he's always seemed, for the most part, supportive of the man up to now still. As with the tweet above joining in on saying how terrible DA Talks is, Manlet Torchetti here seems to think Preston is just fine and from time to time has Tweeted at Preston in the last year or so to confirm that.

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And this is what I find most strange. He's all for Preston, but as I said, he's a pearl clutching type of Christian, and he absolutely hates Porn. He wants it gone, banned, removed. Now the porn argument isn't something I want to get into. Torchetti is fucking dumb, so it's not so much that he wants porn gone but it's his multiple lulzy reactions to porn and his shitty reasoning as to why it's terrible. His Twitter shows he's been on this anti-porn crusade for around 3 years.

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Just pointing out that this guy has over 1700 followers and most of his Tweets get no interactions. The above Tweets made me chuckle, this goofy motherfucker's smile gone once he thinks about the temptations of porn, knowing Satan is dangling that Brazzers membership over his head, but Torchetti here is bravely going to fight the good fight. So much so that he reports any and every porn account he comes across.

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I'd like to point out that anyone that goes on a flagging spree when something that offends their sensibilities is a bitch made faggot, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised after looking upon the manlet's smiling visage. There's MAP and zoophile accounts that post worse shit, but golly, someone tweeting about a tit fuck? SAVE ME, JACK DORSEY!

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Accounts following him keep changing to porn. That's a new one to me. I'm wondering if Torchetti is just being trolled. Now let's get to his ever so insightful and not at all autistic argument's as to why porn is super bad.

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This is such a dumb fucking argument. You do not need to have a degree or experience in social issues to see how stupid this line of thought is. This is the same dipshit argument that people have used against movies and video games. If someone's playing violent vidya all the time, guess that means they're gonna go out and kill everyone, right? Now obviously addiction can be a thing, but I had a little laugh when he mentioned in this second screenshot here about a view of what a normative experience would be. He's a sheltered, soy filled twat and I don't believe for a minute he has any experience on having sex anymore than the porn addict that watches two strangers bumping uglies for hours on end.

Maybe I'm being too harsh. Let's look at his YouTube channel. Surely he's doing okay there?
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Okay, so he'll be lucky to break 10 views on his vids. Let's take a better look at his comic shit here. The art gets better at least, right?

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This is not a joke. This is very real. He markets and attempts to sell this shit. He has numerous issues. I'd love for him to post actual sale numbers. He has these comics marked as all ages. You can view more of this shit for yourself on the link above and that website along with his autism will be your guide. Also, this this dipshit was so full of himself he even made a merchandise store off of it. This is why bullying is necessary. Like Ryan Palmer, nobody told this man that he sucked, and he still thinks this is something that should be sold. Spirit Awards were a mistake. As much as I've shit on Word Nerd, even his art is a metric fuck-ton better than whatever Torchetti is trying to draw here.

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(Will edit with archive when it's finally out of the forever queue for whatever fucking reason)

In conclusion, we have another Preston fart huffer who's unfortunately as fucking dumb as the rest of those that are supporting the coomer king. Johnnie is a bit outside of that circle, but I find him to be just as dumb as those closest to him. Claiming that anyone consuming porn is going to end up self destructing, yet here he is, fellating Preston on Twitter - Preston himself known for possibly being the biggest coomer in the CG side of the internet. And then? He jumps in to shit on DA Talks who pointed at Preston's buddy John Lamont and yelled pedo because of his work and DeviantArt. Just like the rest of Preston's supporters and knights, he's a mentally deficient, preachy faggot who cannot smell the hypocrisy. Keep crying about banning porn while you defend the loli loving degenerates, Torchetti. You totally don't look retarded doing it.

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You don't see what the problem is because you're not a fucking idiot with an agenda.

That said, a good case could be made that the "correct" way to deal with shit like this is to ignore it. They wanted attention. He gave it. Now they'll get more attention, and probably a Vox/Kotaku/whatever article putting him on blast. Said article will be less about the artwork, and more about the audacity of "this old white male" criticizing those criticizing him. Admiral Ackbar is probably facepalming.

One should first ask themselves if it's worth it. If you drew the official artwork, and the official artwork is the one that's officially sanctioned. why give a shit that SJWs molest it in their non-commercial circle jerk?
True and Campbell would agree with you normally, but it got enough traction that he decided to have so fun with it and I don't blame him. Doesn't have to take every shot f he doesn't feel like it. The kid should be glad a professional took the time out of their day to give out real advice instead of huffing their own farts when they draw like this though

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Both here and with @VIkkiVerse and DA you talked about Renfamous actually doing the right thing, for once.

While I certainly commend her for not calling someone one of the worst things imaginable; I actually had to take a pause. It's like finding you agree with MovieBob on anything! You should pause and ask yourself...is Nassar actually into loli?
Not any more than John Michael Kelly is. He was/is the victim of a very similar gay op too.

Because pedophilia is such a serious accusation, people should enjoy the presumption of innocence until there is solid proof of guilt. Null has said this too. He's been sharpening his axe to use against people who pull this shit (example).

We 100% know that John Lamont and Preston are into loli, for instance. They admit it. Their retard lawyer admitted it in the course of threatening Dean with legal action.

NOBODY, least of all myself, is saying that Renfamous is going through a "redemption arc." What I'm saying (and I suppose @VIkkiVerse is too, but she can speak for herself) is that she's actually on the right side for once, and she should be commended for calling out WC's shit, instead of running with it in an attempt to score points against CG. If people who really hate Ren want to use the broken clock analogy, that's fine. The point is that the broken clock is telling the right time.

Moreover, I'll say that about two years ago I had a very constructive conversation with Krissy (Ren's BFF). While we disagreed about Mignogna, she made certain other statements that were on point. I almost want to say that if you replaced Ren with Krissy, you wouldn't have such an anti-Christ figure. She struck me as at least somewhat reasonable.

I'll leave it at that.

On a more general note, I'm pretty sure the 90s is just a shit decade and we shouldn't have nostalgia about it. All the supposedly great 90s movies are cringey and full of cheese too, much more so than the timeless immortal classics of the 80s.
I love 80s movies.

Buuuuut... the 90s absolutely cleaned up as far as video games are concerned.
 
There isn't enough retarded shit in this thread lately. It's okay, guys. I'm here and I'm going to change that. Let's take on yet another journey of pure stupidity.

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Preston is at it again with his faggotry. The cease and desist is idiotic to anyone with or without an understanding of law. Pan was just making the rounds with the world's most obvious photoshopped DM's in an effort to paint Nassar as a pedophile, and the rest of his crew getting banned from Dlive multiple times for just slinging out the accusation to anyone. But sure, that gosh darn DA Talks is definitely worse for calling John Lamont a pedo with actual evidence to back it up. Upon looking at this, I decided to take a closer look at Johnnie Torch here, who's actively been taking a deep breath of Preston's farts. As of now, I've yet to run into a Preston supporter after the Lamont debacle that isn't pants on head retarded. Let's take a look at Johnnie, I'm sure he's better, right? Lol, fuck no he isn't.

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I hope you love that art there, we'll get into that later. Mr. Torchetti here is a "Slave to Jesus". I generally don't give a shit what your religion is, but there's always a fuck head that takes it too far and is too stupid to think for himself. He's that stereotypical Christian who will scream in pain if you show him a set of boobs, tightly clutching his pendant and praying his boner won't betray him.

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If you thought he was as stupid as he looks, your assumption is correct. Let's explore why that is. I don't believe he's a hardcore Preston supporter but he's always seemed, for the most part, supportive of the man up to now still. As with the tweet above joining in on saying how terrible DA Talks is, Manlet Torchetti here seems to think Preston is just fine and from time to time has Tweeted at Preston in the last year or so to confirm that.

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And this is what I find most strange. He's all for Preston, but as I said, he's a pearl clutching type of Christian, and he absolutely hates Porn. He wants it gone, banned, removed. Now the porn argument isn't something I want to get into. Torchetti is fucking dumb, so it's not so much that he wants porn gone but it's his multiple lulzy reactions to porn and his shitty reasoning as to why it's terrible. His Twitter shows he's been on this anti-porn crusade for around 3 years.

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Just pointing out that this guy has over 1700 followers and most of his Tweets get no interactions. The above Tweets made me chuckle, this goofy motherfucker's smile gone once he thinks about the temptations of porn, knowing Satan is dangling that Brazzers membership over his head, but Torchetti here is bravely going to fight the good fight. So much so that he reports any and every porn account he comes across.

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I'd like to point out that anyone that goes on a flagging spree when something that offends their sensibilities is a bitch made faggot, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised after looking upon the manlet's smiling visage. There's MAP and zoophile accounts that post worse shit, but golly, someone tweeting about a tit fuck? SAVE ME, JACK DORSEY!

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Accounts following him keep changing to porn. That's a new one to me. I'm wondering if Torchetti is just being trolled. Now let's get to his ever so insightful and not at all autistic argument's as to why porn is super bad.

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This is such a dumb fucking argument. You do not need to have a degree or experience in social issues to see how stupid this line of thought is. This is the same dipshit argument that people have used against movies and video games. If someone's playing violent vidya all the time, guess that means they're gonna go out and kill everyone, right? Now obviously addiction can be a thing, but I had a little laugh when he mentioned in this second screenshot here about a view of what a normative experience would be. He's a sheltered, soy filled twat and I don't believe for a minute he has any experience on having sex anymore than the porn addict that watches two strangers bumping uglies for hours on end.

Maybe I'm being too harsh. Let's look at his YouTube channel. Surely he's doing okay there?
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Okay, so he'll be lucky to break 10 views on his vids. Let's take a better look at his comic shit here. The art gets better at least, right?

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This is not a joke. This is very real. He markets and attempts to sell this shit. He has numerous issues. I'd love for him to post actual sale numbers. He has these comics marked as all ages. You can view more of this shit for yourself on the link above and that website along with his autism will be your guide. Also, this this dipshit was so full of himself he even made a merchandise store off of it. This is why bullying is necessary. Like Ryan Palmer, nobody told this man that he sucked, and he still thinks this is something that should be sold. Spirit Awards were a mistake. As much as I've shit on Word Nerd, even his art is a metric fuck-ton better than whatever Torchetti is trying to draw here.

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In conclusion, we have another Preston fart huffer who's unfortunately as fucking dumb as the rest of those that are supporting the coomer king. Johnnie is a bit outside of that circle, but I find him to be just as dumb as those closest to him. Claiming that anyone consuming porn is going to end up self destructing, yet here he is, fellating Preston on Twitter - Preston himself known for possibly being the biggest coomer in the CG side of the internet. And then? He jumps in to shit on DA Talks who pointed at Preston's buddy John Lamont and yelled pedo because of his work and DeviantArt. Just like the rest of Preston's supporters and knights, he's a mentally deficient, preachy faggot who cannot smell the hypocrisy. Keep crying about banning porn while you defend the loli loving degenerates, Torchetti. You totally don't look retarded doing it.


I for one welcome greater shame. We should all feel dirty. Just looking at that artwork and Preston's faggot face has left me with a scarred soul and in need of healing.

very wrong. The 90’s rocked. In my opinion, it was the best decade for comics. Especially compared to what came after it. A lot of the ideas that spawned out of the 90’s are still being rehashed today.

I feel like I'm in the middle of a room with everybody on one side or the other. :roll:

No....the 90s were not the best decade for comics. No they weren't terrible, outside of Marvel. They had some great comics that if I wanted to I could wax at length about. They also gave us Image, Bob Liefeld, and Todd McFarlane Spawn. If 30% of Image comics in the 90s were kino, 70% were trash.

The 80s or the 60s hold the best decade, sadly.

Because pedophilia is such a serious accusation, people should enjoy the presumption of innocence until there is solid proof of guilt. Null has said this too. He's been sharpening his axe to use against people who pull this shit (example).

I agree. I was making a joke, while setting up my end point that this is a wake up call .

NOBODY, least of all myself, is saying that Renfamous is going through a "redemption arc." What I'm saying (and I suppose @VIkkiVerse is too, but she can speak for herself) is that she's actually on the right side for once, and she should be commended for calling out WC's shit, instead of running with it in an attempt to score points against CG. If people who really hate Ren want to use the broken clock analogy, that's fine. The point is that the broken clock is telling the right time.

She's an awful person and I'm not going to commend her for meeting the bare minimum of human decency. I understood the point all the same.

I love 80s movies.

Buuuuut... the 90s absolutely cleaned up as far as video games are concerned.

90s movies had their moments.
 
very wrong. The 90’s rocked. In my opinion, it was the best decade for comics. Especially compared to what came after it. A lot of the ideas that spawned out of the 90’s are still being rehashed today.
I not only saw what you did there, I highlighted it! Frog will be most displeased.

You represent my hopes / dreams for what CG might become though, if Frog's movement grows. I'm going to sell these precious, nay priceless 90s comics onto some young wide-eyed CGer, and make myself thousands and thousand in profit! Hey kid, wanna buy the first appearance of DEADPOOL?? Fucking Deadpool, the greatest superhero ever, by the greatest comic artist Rob Liefeld. I'll sell it to you for the bargain price of just one of them bitcoins you youngsters all seem to have falling out of your pockets. Deal?

I love 80s movies.

Buuuuut... the 90s absolutely cleaned up as far as video games are concerned.
They beat the 80s no doubt, but I would argue that more good games have come out in the 21st century so far than the entire 20th century. And they're only getting better, holy fuck have you seen them lately.

I mean have you seen the fan-made videogame shit, holy fuck!

 
I not only saw what you did there, I highlighted it! Frog will be most displeased.

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you are the warm, CO-VID wind beneath my mask wearing wings.

You represent my hopes / dreams for what CG might become though, if Frog's movement grows. I'm going to sell these precious, nay priceless 90s comics onto some young wide-eyed CGer, and make myself thousands and thousand in profit! Hey kid, wanna buy the first appearance of DEADPOOL?? Fucking Deadpool, the greatest superhero ever, by the greatest comic artist Rob Liefeld. I'll sell it to you for the bargain price of just one of them bitcoins you youngsters all seem to have falling out of your pockets. Deal?

If you actually have a decent copy of New Mutant's 98, it can go for six or seven hundred figures. It's one of five comics from the 90s you won't find in the quarter bin.

Though, shop retailers have started to catch on. Last I cared, I heard they've moved to up pricing the stuff and if it sells it sells.

They beat the 80s no doubt, but I would argue that more good games have come out in the 21st century so far than the entire 20th century. And they're only getting better, holy fuck have you seen them lately.

Well, you have to grade when it comes to video games on a curve due to hardware.

I actually think the gold period is 1993 to 2006 software wise. Nintendo was still making new IP, Sega hadn't collapsed, Sony was young and hungry, and Microsoft was dropping the xbox.

Then there were the third parties. Rare, BioWare, Bungie. All in their prime. Nothing comes close to top down quality like that fifth generation.

Now we have better hardware, a greater opportunity for indie creators. But the Triple A publishers are creatively busted.

I mean have you seen the fan-made videogame shit, holy fuck!


If only they had the budget wasted on shit like Last of Us 2 or the Mass Effect remake.
 
I actually think the gold period is 1993 to 2006 software wise. Nintendo was still making new IP, Sega hadn't collapsed, Sony was young and hungry, and Microsoft was dropping the xbox.
It has often been said that we will never have a console war quite as beneficial to consumers, and utterly glorious, as the one that we had between the Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis. That was like the last one where it wasn't a foregone conclusion, and everybody walked away with something good.
 
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