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To be brutally honest, Zack really didn't do much for any culture war, apart from getting bent over and bummed horrifically on national TV by a C-list Australian comedian on Comedy Central in 2018. That shocking public buggery is the most significant cultural war event he was involved in, as far as I can tell.

And his useless movie opinions certainly haven't helped either - unlike Frog he liked The Last Jedi, meaning he never gained any clout with the Fandom Menace side of the culture war, which exploded in the wake of that film and became a whole mini-grifter-moocher-complainer industry on Youtube, as woketardery raged across the popcultural landscape, burning up one franchise after another.

If Zack is just 'passing through' all this, I wonder where he even intends to end up? Does he have something in mind, a vision or plan?

Or is his path destined to be more of a chaotic, shaky squiggle, a Narwhal drawing line, swishing here and there, bending in on itself retardedly and ultimately just looking very stupid and weird?

Sigh, what are we going to do with Our Boy Zack. He's not into videogames, he's got shit opinions on movies, he doesn't even play with toys amusingly like Frog, who became famous for smashing his toys on Youtube and is more famous for that now than for any drawings he ever did.

Let's just hope Chuck Dixon can save our Zack, that's his only hope now - Dixon, Nolan and Stallone can save this kid, pull him out of this. I hope!

I agree with what you've said here but I had to rate it Optimistic because of the last line. I don't think anyone will pull Zack out of this. He won't let them.

After he dropped the Waid suit, he just quit on everything. He abandoned the fight he took up, he abandoned the movement he started, he abandoned the platforms he used to promote his work, and he's put his most popular work on the shelf so he can stay busy working on late campaigns that get maybe a third of his former audience. He picked a bunch of fights and ran off. Now he just wants to be "left alone" to engage in important shit like using his channel to comment on twitter bullshit he supposedly didn't want to engage in and ignoring his friends that give him solid advice.

When he was the plucky underdog fighting against an avatar of the cancer ridden comics industry, people cared. Without that, what is he? A middle aged weirdo that has the tastes of a 16 year old. Nobody cares about his opinion on some stupid direct to video action movie or how annoyed he gets when Whataburger forgot to give him extra salsa for his breakfast burrito, or how Larry Hama's GI Joe run was the pinnacle of comics storytelling. People didn't mind it because he was a funny dude and represented a struggle. Now he's just annoying.

Since he dropped the suit, he's been coasting on what's left of the good will he generated in the past. His new projects are failing because nobody cares about them and he refuses do the lowest level of promotion necessary to make them care. Shit, Narwhal at least streams about 499 even though his channel gets Adam Post levels of engagement.

Zack's in an undeniable nosedive and when the dust settles, he'll just go away because that's what Zack does.
 
Since he dropped the suit, he's been coasting on what's left of the good will he generated in the past. His new projects are failing because nobody cares about them and he refuses do the lowest level of promotion necessary to make them care. Shit, Narwhal at least streams about 499 even though his channel gets Adam Post levels of engagement.
I've seen this movie before. It's gay.

@TESTEFY-HD, of all people, actually did a nice thing by trying to promote ASYL on Trash Compactor. All because @NasserRabadi13 put in the minimal amount of effort to promote the goddamned thing. Vic King (the artist) showed up to pitch in, and seemed like a nice guy. If it were more my style, I would have bought a copy (it's good... but it's just not my aesthetic). It was sad refreshing the crowdfunding page.

10 PRINT "COMIC BOOK"
20 INPUT "Did EVS Senpai Notice it"; A$
30 IF A$="YES" THEN GOTO 10
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He spent 100% of his initial effort as the guy who fought back against a little industry troll and now he can't even mention Waid. Based on that alone, it's a total fail. It might have been the only reason to give him a pass on this goofy period he's in. The Nu Warriors designs were drawn with more accurate sense of anatomy and realism. The other supervillain in his life: all the child support he has to pay in order to make ends meet and what probably drove him straight into hackdom.
 
He spent 100% of his initial effort as the guy who fought back against a little industry troll and now he can't even mention Waid.
Say what you want about the Quartering, but he got an video apology out of his OOC Settlement. He was at least the "nominal victor."

Zach's suit is a complete functional failure. For while Waid likely can't say anything about Zach, it has become apparent that independent creators don't need the same distribution channels that big industry creators use. Waid's supposed ability to outright cancel Zach is somewhat dubious. To wit, I still don't know if Zach would have been able to prove damages. Most people (self included) cheered this on because Waid is a faggot who deserves bad things. Not because Zach got irreparably harmed from Waid's actions.

Meanwhile, given that harping on SJWs is a big part of CG, it's embarrassing that Zach can never again talk about what a piece of shit Waid is.

Then, coupled with the Vic Mignogna thing, there's colleterial fallout in the form of people now being leery of crowdfunding lawsuits. At least for the Plaintiff.

I don't quite get why Tim Lim is getting hate for parodies?
Because Ethan is retarded. If you're doing a thing meant to tweak the noses of SJWs, and to allow creators a measure of creative freedom from the shackles of political correctness, it's completely braindead to not allow Lim to do a Trump parody and remain in CG.

While Ethan will never admit it, I think he's now kicking himself over letting Lim slip away.

KA, has awesome art, great story, and Lim seems to be keeping out of the drama scene. (I could be mistaken here, apologies if I'm wrong)
Lim puts his nose to the grindstone and makes good money from the products he releases.

So, yes.
 
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Incessantly repeating these deliberate lies doesn't make them true or you correct.

Most or many CGers probably voted for Trump. Despite that, making Trump comics seemed short sighted, to me in 2018, for creators who are trying to build an indie comics scene. I was speaking of Chuck Dixon. I felt the creator of Bane should be creating something that might last, rather than trying to get Steve Bannon's attention with goofy Trump worshiping pamphlets. (I didn't give a shit about Tim Lim.) Trump comics have a limited shelf life, and without me promoting them, had a very limited audience. But by all means, make exploitation shit if you want.

Turns out, Tim Lim finally stopped being a hysterical woman, and took my advice. No longer making Trump shit, his numbers are finally growing.

The "Pride Is A Sin" incident was the 4th or 5th super-provocative Mike S Miller troll, and I'd had enough of his bullshit. He's an asshole that can't get out of his own way, and sabotages his own success. I was tired of answering for him where his activities brought my channel negative attention.

All of this shit is now 3, going on 4 years old. Obviously, in retrospect, I was right all along.


"No, I insist that this is bad, and that it meets Jon Malin's criticisms of bad artsy comics bullshit."

Gotcha, Mister Dongs. Malin isn't here defending Narwhal or Zack.
The sheer amount of hubris in these statements is mind blowing.

"Yeah, I gatekept Tim, even though nothing he did was violative of the basic bitch principle of CG (being anti-SJW). However, since BH and KA are selling so well, I'm gonna take credit for that because he totally had no talent or future before I "corrected" him and sent him on his way."

I can honestly see why people don't like you @FROG.

You fucked up by gatekeeping Tim. The man has obvious talent. KA is a runaway anti-SJW success that doesn't have the Comicsgate branding. It's a pity that you didn't just let him do what he wanted, because then he'd be a bright spot in @Mister Dongs otherwise depressing spreadsheet.

Conversely, you are fucking up by giving unconditional support to Zach. 499 looks like dogshit, and you know it.

I don't mind people making mistakes, but you should at least have the decency to own up to them. This constant doubling down is not a good look.

I hate to defend Frog on this, because he used WC to harasses to Lim without ever owning up to their vile tactics.

That said, Lim was not some innocent.

I'm tired of talking about something three four years old, but Frog's lies combined with partial retellings necessitate correction.

Lim/Ethan Faggotry Timeline!

*Tim Lim and a group of Antarctic Indies see CG as a place ripe for grifting. They descend, gaining much needed support from the original gators.

*Ethan joins and brings his mainstream pro buddies. This aggravates Tim Lim, especially because Ethan's vision of CG is apolitical at the time.

*Ethan is doing his bread tubbing, when people start using him. People superchat and ask him 'are Trump books CG?' He answers honestly, at the time, no they do not fit his definition.

*Lim is already pissed that Ethan is sucking up pay piggies. He starts back chatting and trying to arrange Ethan's downfall.

*This gayop fails. Lim is humiliated and discredited.

*Someone calling himself the Glove begins a gayop, dropping DMs of private back room CG chats to cause discord and division.

*Someone reveals that Lim is the eponymous glove.

*Ethan, at the same time, either approached or was approached by a group of grifters calling themselves WC. WC proceeds to harass both Tim and anyone who even mehs in Ethan's direction. Among their many acts were doxxing, sexual harassment and threats of violence, constant misinformation and lies. The level of Ethan's involvement in this activity is still unknown.

*Lim continues to carry a grudge, as does Ethan. Both snipe and poison the other on a low key basis.

Let's just hope Chuck Dixon can save our Zack, that's his only hope now - Dixon, Nolan and Stallone can save this kid, pull him out of this. I hope!

Chuck has terrible instincts as a publisher. He couldn't understand why his Batman editors didn't want him turning 'Tec into a pirate book, he's admitted he'd rather write shit like western and pirate books than superheroes, and he tends to prefer Vertigo tier content in general.

Chuck was never 90s Image. I love much of his work, but he did best with good editors that reigned him in.

I don't quite get why Tim Lim is getting hate for parodies?

CG is currently going with parodies of Stealing Solo, Beardzzker, and Dirtworm Dug, and that's all off the top of my head.

KA, has awesome art, great story, and Lim seems to be keeping out of the drama scene. (I could be mistaken here, apologies if I'm wrong)

Because he was a cunt and hyper partisan. The mainstream tried to portray CG as a hyper partisan thing, which it mostly wasn't.

You are. He's been more low key. But as we discovered with the Earnst drops, he's still causing trouble. He's just smarter about it than Ethan/WC.
 
The other supervillain in his life: all the child support he has to pay in order to make ends meet and what probably drove him straight into hackdom.

You'd think for that reason alone he'd be pushing nothing but Jawbreakers books constantly, going on streams to talk about Jawbreakers (and maybe to dunk on SJW pros) while trying to maintain six figure campaigns each and every time. Maximizing his profits and growing his audience.

He's operating under the misapprehension that what audience he has is there because people really just love his writing and care about the deep artistic statements he wants to make and not that he's running on the fumes of being a YouTube sperg that fought an industry while ranting in his car on his lunch break.
 
he'll just go away because that's what Zack does.

He went on his way some time ago. What's left is a shitty grift.

To be brutally honest, Zack really didn't do much for any culture war, apart from getting bent over and bummed horrifically on national TV by a C-list Australian comedian on Comedy Central in 2018. That shocking public buggery is the most significant cultural war event he was involved in, as far as I can tell.

Arrr! The Jim Jefferies Show - Comic-Cons Diversity Problem :lunacy:

Still sucking donkey balls after all this time has passed.
The amount of shit I let him get away with in my mind just because he had that analytical streak back in the stone age that was really informative for a short while is unheard of.
They guy needs a shrink (that he won't listen to) and a stay @ Betty Ford

Oh well Time waits for no one

Jefferies. Another one who put up a swell image (his standup performances were ace and he did some memorable gritty tv comedy as well) only to later turn out to be a fucking douchebag.
 
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Because he was a cunt and hyper partisan. The mainstream tried to portray CG as a hyper partisan thing, which it mostly wasn't.
Permitting a Trump book is not a sign that CG is "hyper partisan." The perception of the "mainstream" is dumb, and listening to the "mainstream" is the entire problem in the first place. Permitting a Trump book is merely a sign that CG isn't SJW, because they will permit a thing that "mainstream" publishes will not. Between 2016 and 2020, you would be hard pressed to find anyone else who personifies anti-SJW more than Donald John Trump.

For the record, I am wholly disinterested in Lim's Trump stuff. I just think he should be allowed to do it without some "supposed anti-SJW" gatekeeper telling him he can't. Now, he has moved onto other things, and Ethan trying to take credit for his success is rich. It was a missed opportunity.
 
Permitting a Trump book is not a sign that CG is "hyper partisan."

Explaining the thought. Also Ethan would argue he permitted nothing. Which is technically true.

The perception of the "mainstream" is dumb, and listening to the "mainstream" is the entire problem in the first place.

Couldn't agree more. But that's where Ethan came from.

Permitting a Trump book is merely a sign that CG isn't SJW, because they will permit a thing that "mainstream" publishes will not. Between 2016 and 2020, you would be hard pressed to find anyone else who personifies anti-SJW than Donald John Trump.

Kindof, I suppose. No one permits indie anything. You just choose what you platform.

For the record, I am wholly disinterested in Lim's Trump stuff. I just think he should be allowed to do it without some "supposed anti-SJW" gatekeeper telling him he can't. Now, he has moved onto other things, and Ethan trying to take credit for his success is rich. It was a missed opportunity.

I agree?

But again, no one told him he couldn't. Frog cunt just gave an opinion. Trump Furry cunt resented Frog cunt and overreacted to it. They escalated for awhile, then settled into this passive aggressive shit they currently are at.

It's worth noting that Lim hasn't really been gate kept. Unlike other Gators, he's been welcomed on Kickstarter, an SJW platform he's happy to use. He's received backing from Gators in spite of his tard fight with Ethan. Unlike Ethan, who had his relationship with Dynamite gate kept, or Richard who was gate kept off of both Kickstarter and Antarctic; Lim has more or less been left alone by SJWs.
 
In retrospect, I think Tim saw right through Ethan's trash rhetoric and began fighting Ethan right where he was. As mentioned before, "no Trump books" and the "apolitical" stance didn't make much sense at all for a so-called conservative who just wanted to make comics and had come from a hotbed of persecution from a bunch of hypersensitive libs.

Write what you know and if that's what you believe then why not? Ethan's main complaint was being discriminated against within the company for his views... views which somehow someway became known... but not so known that Dan Slott and Mark Waid had any idea until after their YT interviews. It's almost as if the only reason he would ever talk about voting for Trump would be to trigger people who couldn't fight back and that's why big names didn't know about the kind of guy Frog was until he was safely on his way out. There's a lot about Ethan's narrative over time that doesn't line up the way he would like them to.

So the awkward task then was to tell conservatives they could have their conservative views, just not put it into their work. What kind of safe haven is that? But since Ethan really isn't conservative about anything, he hadn't really thought it all the way through. Lim probably saw it as an attempt to not only belittle his project but an attempt to claim nearly the entire anti-sjw scene which has proven to be accurate. Ethan was throwing his net as wide as he possibly could back then but Lim bit through the net and took a couple of chunks out of Sciverfrog on the way out. You could be right @jspit2.0, Lim could be a trash human being but strictly from what I've seen, he might have been acting on that peer-to-peer level which is rarely seen with Ethan. Unlike Zack he wasn't about to let a big name schmooz all over his space just because of the money and or fame it would bring.

TLDR: The fact that Tim was already on the conservative comic scene before Ethan, no matter how limited it was when Mr. Nu-conservative leader of a movement he was fresh from anointing himself in spilled onto the scene, tells me Ethan's initial branding push was more of a pretense for a big fish to claim a small pond.
 
I wouldn't mind frogs stance on apolitical books but I'm curious when he was still coping on Richard not being comicsgate take when richard released 2 political books in 1 quarter.
 
Yet Zack made a covid and BLM book back to back before Pandemic even fulfilled, sit down you whipping boy and stop drinking that frog slime. God the blackmail frog got on you must be embarrassing if you are going to cuck this badly. You're worse than jda with this Excessive dick sucking for a guy who let yellow flash punk your ass live and humiliated like the gimp you are.
Zack's books are different. A book about a pandemic won't be seen as "so 2020" in a few years. Pandemic stories have always been popular. This isn't the first ever pandemic. Something more specific like Trump will look real dated.
Was it good for Mike's business for Ethan to dig up a days old tweet no one gave a shit about and blow it up publicly to scold him and to seriously hurt his bottom line? Was he helping Mike?

You're an idiot Nasser.
I'm saying if it's not good for YOUR BUSINESS don't do something stupid. @FROG didn't "dig up" tweets, and he isn't omniscient to see them as soon as Mike (or anybody) tweets them. Maybe he did bring it up a few days later, but you can't expect him to keep up with everything everyone does in/around CG.
"Yeah, I gatekept Tim, even though nothing he did was violative of the basic bitch principle of CG (being anti-SJW). However, since BH and KA are selling so well, I'm gonna take credit for that because he totally had no talent or future before I "corrected" him and sent him on his way."
Ethan didn't say that and I don't know why people are still talking about this after all these years.

Tim makes a lot of money on Kamen America. Ethan makes a lot of money on CyberFrog. People like both. Does some argument 3 years ago really matter anymore? Who cares why they split ways.
@TESTEFY-HD, of all people, actually did a nice thing by trying to promote ASYL on Trash Compactor. All because @NasserRabadi13 put in the minimal amount of effort to promote the goddamned thing.
Are you stupid? These were all Asyl shill streams:
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About 15 hours sitting here streaming in the first 3 days. Not to mention my job was closed for covid at that time so I was doing 1-2 streams a day to shill. And not to mention liam had also struck my channel so there were times I couldn't stream. Nincompoop.
 
What even is that garbage? It looks fucking terrible.

I feel like I'm a Tilt-A-Whirl with how things have plummeted in Comics Gate.
Yeah, basically all those basic tenets that were established? For thee not me these fucking idiots bleat. No political or period pieces that'll age like shit? Well fuck you for making it, but we can totally do it.

And let's also do what we accused the comics hacks of doing by circling the wagon like cattle and defend fucking garbage since they're a part of the clique. Because we're like that retard that keeps drinking bleach despite nearly dying: gotta keep doing it.

Hell, Nasser did it while I typed and edited this. Fucking roaches. Nuke all America comics to zero, consoom Eurocomics and Manga.
 
In retrospect, I think Tim saw right through Ethan's trash rhetoric and began fighting Ethan right where he was.

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As mentioned before, "no Trump books" and the "apolitical" stance didn't make much sense at all for a so-called conservative who just wanted to make comics and had come from a hotbed of persecution from a bunch of hypersensitive libs.

Well, it did when you considered CG was complaining about politicizing comics. Subsequently Richard and others have back tracked a little.

Write what you know and if that's what you believe then why not?

Because customers might not like it?

Ethan's main complaint was being discriminated against within the company for his views... views which somehow someway became known... but not so known that Dan Slott and Mark Waid had any idea until after their YT interviews. It's almost as if the only reason he would ever talk about voting for Trump would be to trigger people who couldn't fight back and that's why big names didn't know about the kind of guy Frog was until he was safely on his way out. There's a lot about Ethan's narrative over time that doesn't line up the way he would like them to.

Slott and Waid lied.

What kind of safe haven is that? But since Ethan really isn't conservative about anything, he hadn't really thought it all the way through.

One where the customer is right. And what customers, including a number of conservatives, were saying was they didn't want politics in their books.

Lim probably saw it as an attempt to not only belittle his project but an attempt to claim nearly the entire anti-sjw scene which has proven to be accurate.

That's not realistic...

Ethan can and did simply present one vision. He then turned, like Lim, to underhanded tactics to enforce it.

You could be right @jspit2.0, Lim could be a trash human being but strictly from what I've seen, he might have been acting on that peer-to-peer level which is rarely seen with Ethan.

More his actions were cowish. I love cows. Hence why I'm on the farms.

Unlike Zack he wasn't about to let a big name schmooz all over his space just because of the money and or fame it would bring.

It wasn't his space. It was the customers.

I wouldn't mind frogs stance on apolitical books but I'm curious when he was still coping on Richard not being comicsgate take when richard released 2 political books in 1 quarter.

I'm sure that sucked.

Zack's books are different. A book about a pandemic won't be seen as "so 2020" in a few years. Pandemic stories have always been popular. This isn't the first ever pandemic. Something more specific like Trump will look real dated.

No, they aren't.

Jack Kirby and Stan Lee comics look dated. Trump is divisive and annoys everyone outside of the quarter or so of Americans that like him.

I'm saying if it's not good for YOUR BUSINESS don't do something stupid. @FROG didn't "dig up" tweets, and he isn't omniscient to see them as soon as Mike (or anybody) tweets them. Maybe he did bring it up a few days later, but you can't expect him to keep up with everything everyone does in/around CG.

He did more than bring it up. He used it to virtue signal to SJWs and then threatened Mike, fag that Mike may be.

Are you stupid?

Grow up, you entitled little shit. Don't call people stupid because you lack the ability to address them properly.

Yeah, basically all those basic tenets that were established? For thee not me these fucking idiots bleat. No political or period pieces that'll age like shit? Well fuck you for making it, but we can totally do it.

And let's also do what we accused the comics hacks of doing by circling the wagon like cattle and defend fucking garbage since they're a part of the clique. Because we're like that retard that keeps drinking bleach despite nearly dying: gotta keep doing it.

Hell, Nasser did it while I typed and edited this. Fucking roaches. Nuke all America comics to zero, consoom Eurocomics and Manga.

My point exactly! I don't think anyone is 'garbage.' Comics is tainted with cowish autism. Purge it all. No good guys are left.
 
Zack's books are different. A book about a pandemic won't be seen as "so 2020" in a few years. Pandemic stories have always been popular. This isn't the first ever pandemic. Something more specific like Trump will look real dated.
Trump has became a figure that people will know for years (even when are gone) to come due to him being the 45th president, work in the wwf/e, pizza hut commercials, the apprentice, hell even msm can't get enough to talk about Trump. It's no different than people talking about other presidents like George Washington, Lincoln and Fdr. doesn't cg got a Charlie Chaplin book coming out? But the readers can infer that pandemic is about covid. Stop being a evs dicksucker nasser, you'll never make it in life being a pie eater's bitch.

You can't say trump books are dated when people to this day make books, movies, tv shows and documentaries about presidents from the past everyday.
 
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