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Good grief. How much is all this useless crap costing Peggy?
#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!
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I’m sure his mom’s trustfund will have enough to take care of all the expenses.
Wasn't it his father's money?
Mike...sigh. Y'know, despite all the cringe Gator rhetoric surrounding him he's only got himself to blame. Not for tossing Ethan, but for being a complete fuckwit.
Had he not sperg'd like a fucking cunt after giving Frog the bird on Twitter he'd have been fine. Sure, breaking from Ethan would have problably knocked his margins in half. But what sent mike from 100,000+ campaigns to the 40,000 mark was attacking everything that breathed and issuing ultimatums to customers.
You don't have to be Ethan's bitch to fundraise. But if you want to crowdfund successfully and not have some be the front man you need to get it through your head. Customer. Service.
Comicsgatedate.
Mike Miller?
Since Gators are so interested. Miller's birthday is coming up and he posted a couple of videos cancelling DnQ for the week. It seems God has given Mike the gift of CoVid/pneumonia. When's the plague of frogs hit?
Diversity and Comics
Dickie Meyers shocked the world by actually showing genuine spergy. This forum cheered as Simple Zach reached deep to push Tom King down on the pillow he clutches every night.
I'll save you all time. Apparently King bragged on Twitter that he had yelled at a fan who pulled off his full face Rosarch mask to say hello.
Zach doubled and tripled down as King fumbled. First questioning if it ever happened in a second video. I for one question that someone is a fan of Research and Tom King. But hey, weird world and all.
Finally, it seems King got some confused people pointing out that his story was inconsistent and filled with holes leading to him posting more details about him being an asshole, to a customer, who came to a convention. In the middle of COVID.
Comicsgate Kangs!
Ethan has live-streamed. Allot.
I'm not going to write too deep because I have many, better things to do. Instead, bullet points.
* Aaron Lopresti launched his Wraith of God IGG on Frog's stream with great success. It currently sits at 46,000 dollars off just 596 people.
* As a result of appearing with Ethan and company, Aaron got swarmed. Ethan then brought him on for a circle jerk/cry-a-thon.
* Long story short. Aaron's wife is salty as fuck, Art &Co echo support and approved talking points, Billy announces he wants to put together a Kangs stream featuring the artists and their wives. I'm now very interested in just whether these grown ass men act this way around their wives?
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Looks like you cropped out the best part:
Seven is a terribly underrated Comicsgater.
If only there was something Meyer could have done with the millions forked over "to fight cancel culture" beyond yelling his disapproval into a phone from the sidelines...
08/21/2021 - LEROI - The Chat (08/21/2021: Its raining books!!!)
Ultimately the job of supporting Lopresti for committing comic book treason and accepting the succor of Frog falls on one party - the Comicsgate-aligned customer. Lots of campaigns that need support lately, Leroi opens the stream by noting Shadow Sentry Book Two, Guardians of Erloth Part 3 and The Relentless Tin Soldier are closing this week alone. Along with opening this week, Redshift Express, The Devil of Talon Flats and USAssassin part 3. It's raining books! Expensive books. And now, Wraith of God by Aaron Lopresti. Lopresti is 'new around here', Leroi notes with a hint of suspicion in his voice. On top of that, his wife has been saying some extremely suspect things regarding her commitment to the CG cause in her twitter fight with Renfamous.
Put in other words; sure Lopresti is willing to publicly accept CG money, but should he be prioritized over people who have fully committed to the cause? Frog has made his stance clear in his actions that he wants to be surrounded by fellow industry veterans who he feels relatively confident (compared to many of the endorsed of yesteryear) will be able to deliver the promised comic book to Frog's audience, and less concerned if they make a show of ideological unity or not. A lot of hay has been made over non-fulfilled like Mitch Breitweiser, Martina Markota, Karl O'Rowe, Andrew Huerta; maybe the average customer cares more about getting what they paid for and if it's quality or not than if they wear the #comicsgate label and associate with the "Comicsgate community" and its associated figures. Maybe Leroi doesn't actually represent 'the chat' on this issue - Frog's audience is certainly buying up Billy Tucci and now Aaron Lopresti's wares. On the other hand, if there is no commensurate financial opportunities or solidarity that come with declaring oneself Comicsgate, what motive is there for other creators to take on the often dogmatic and onerous boycotts and policies when mainstream professionals get both a pass and a ticket to the front of the line?
Leroi's not going to name names, but people like
No clear answers on whether formal declaration should be required or willing participation in the Comicsgate community is sufficient, Leroi closes the topic by moving on to some positive news - that August has been a month where a number of long-awaited high profile campaigns have finally started to fulfill, namely Malin's Graveyard Shift 3, Shane Davis' Starlight Cats and Michael Bancroft's The Lucent, TUG's Another Case For the Littlest Umbrella, Justin Murphy's War Party, Nyriam's Bonds: The Drive, Frog's Warts & All omnibus, The Diaz brothers' Magic Cop 2, Art Thibert's ChronoMechanics, even Richard C Meyer managed to get a campaign (Impossible Stars) in backers' hands. I don't have figures on hand, but they claim it to be one of the biggest months of fulfillment in recent memory.
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this is what Seven wrote:
“I seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness.
And all that I need has been, and is being, added to me, including gold.
Long ago I met an old wizened cowboy poet living in a desert paradise on the edge of the world who wielded two swords: a straight sword of duty along with a curved blade of beauty with iron fists covered by velvet gloves. I was instructed that that was the MOST important verse for an artist. And he was an artist, a painter whose paintings sold for more than enough to have supported his wife and put his 4 daughters through college. He didn't work for anyone yet served everyone, refusing any and all commissions; he even turned down a multi-million dollar offer for a mural. Supremely principled. And man was he a good writer. You guys seriously think a few paragraphs are long?...he'd send me 20+ page handwritten letters that would beautifully field my endless questions in depth while posing the most challenging life questions and riddles. Whereas the way you communicate here is terribly, even tragically, impoverished
I would memorize those letters after re-reading and pondering as if Scripture...here's a poetic take on doing, or rather being, for a living that set my heart ablaze:
What God creates God supports. It is a fundamental rule of nature, each creature operating by the instincts particular to its own kind. I am, of course, one of a kind and live accordingly...It is all about the same mystery that causes some 14 million flowers to be harvested for each quart jar of honey. The bee is the buyer, and the bee would be nothing without the
flower.
The flower does not seek out the bee.
As a flower, it is essential that I concentrate on my being, not my doing.
Sex makes the world go around, and all the bee does is allow the flower to have sex with itself. Art is, after all, the sex of the imagination.
I went all in, and was enriched, on Matthew 6:33.
I'm considering setting up an apiary, to provide the world with raw wildflower honey.”
EGB
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From https://creatorgo.com/cg/2021/
So why has CG diminished from 2020 to 2021?
70,874 transactions vs 30,388 - obviously 2021 will grow with 4-months remaining but even if it doubled in 4-months it will be significantly smaller than 2020.
So why has CG diminished from 2020 to 2021?
70,874 transactions vs 30,388 - obviously 2021 will grow with 4-months remaining but even if it doubled in 4-months it will be significantly smaller than 2020.
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It's probably because you left, Methwin. You and Smiller. We should have listened to you!
Ahem. You should put the titles of the project in there, instead of just numbers. They're important.
In 2020, I rocked IndieGoGo with FOUR huge book campaigns: REKT PLANET, WARTS AND ALL, UNFROGETTABLE TALES and REIGNBOW THE BRUTE.
In 2021, I've offered an Action Figure campaign and a campaign for a Box of reprints. REKT PLANET isn't fulfilled yet, neither is REIGNBOW THE BRUTE, my two biggest 2020 funders.
When I launch new books, I pull along other campaigns with the enthusiasm they generate. This year is a year of fulfillment, not CYBERFROG 3.
Check back in 2022, and try being fair.
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Indeed.
My single book sales have more than doubled from my 2020 books to my 2021 book. Next one will be up as soon as I finish shipping all of these. Should we make bets?
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The number of backers are shrinking but they're spending on average the same amount per campaign when averaged out. Total funds divided by total backers in 2020 vs 2021 works out to the average backer paying $52.03 per backing in 2021 and $51.60 in 2020; comparing the yearly averages marked out in yellow and green, they're side by side. This is a bit distorted since Frog made 22,295 sales in 2020 at a very high funding per backer point vs 9,329 non-toy sales as of August 1st this year (since Edwin has exempted this), which implies everyone else is charging more to account for the stability of the average.
In 2020, there were two creators that managed to charge over $100 USD per backer: Frog (Cyberfrog: Rekt Planet, Reinbow Brute) and Liam Gray (Xenotype) . In 2021, the $100+ per backer club has lost Liam but gained Jon Malin (the average Godlike backer clock in $105.96), George Peter Gatsis (most backers of the children's book Joe King opting in for his DIY 3D printed toyline) and Steve Rude's The Coming of Gourmando.
Much more interesting is, as Edwin points out, the drop in backer participation. As Frog says, "this is a year for fulfillment", which translated means "only a small minority of the top crowdfunders in Comicsgate during 2020 have fulfilled their projects and customers are not inclined to back other creators' projects while they wait". Whether that reason is either loss of confidence in the crowdfunding system, willingness to only back a certain number of projects at a time, or interest in only backing specific e-celeb comic creators is not something I'm sure of at this time.
A large number of long due campaigns are starting to fulfill in late August, namely TUG (who has recently declared himself Comicsgate again since he's going to launch another campaign), Jon Malin, Shane Davis, Michael Bancroft, Frog and Meyer each fulfilling one of their multiple outstanding projects, leaving Dan Fraga, RagingGoldenEagle and Cecil as large crowdfunders that have yet to fulfill. When fulfilled, will backers feel freed up to back more crowdfunds, or did the enthusiasm and momentum disappear during the year+ long wait? The next few months may deliver an answer one way or another.
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It is a loss of confidence in the crowdfunding system. At least for me it is. There are quite a few creators whose campaigns I’ve backed before that I will not back again because they are either super late on their fulfilment or the book just flat out sucked. But, I guess that’s the risk you take when you support a crowdfunded project.
I wonder if the mix of COVID still dragging economically with a lack of stimulus resulted in the dip?
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It's a real possibility. Comics on Kickstarter have dropped off on similar levels compared to 2020.
Today was a slow day for Comicsgate, but in somewhat more upbeat news:
Frog had a big five hour livestream here to celebrate Aaron Lopresti being branded Comicsgate by SJWs (which at least should put Leroi's questions to rest), with lots of swaggering, drinking, bald men wearin wigs and trash talking of all the professionals who denounced Lopresti. There was also a drive to get Graham Nolan's Alien Alamo to six figures, which succeeded.
With all this talk of lowering backers it doesn't seem to be the case for Nolan, who's already outdone last year's The Chenoo. Of course, Nolan has gone against the grain by actually fulfilling his comics in a timely manner, so there you go.
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Wait until CREEPSTERS launches.
My sales are up too. Secret Comics Presents went from failing in 2020 ($3,105, 143 backers) to this year raising $7,434 from 271 backers. We are printing it in a few days!
EGB
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CG 2020 vs CG 2021 comparing backers for the Top 100 books sorted by backers, data extracted from CG Tacker: https://creatorgo.com at 12:45 PM Eastern Time August 24, 2021.
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Comparing Backers to Diamond Orders from June 2021 the Top 100 Comicgate Books for 2021 has as many backers as orders for "Something is Killing the Children"
With an extraordinary strong finish Comicsgate Top 100 Book backers could potential pass up Marvel Voices Pride #1
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Comparing Backers to Diamond Orders from June 2021 the Top 100 Comicgate Books for 2021 has as many backers as orders for "Something is Killing the Children"
With an extraordinary strong finish Comicsgate Top 100 Book backers could potential pass up Marvel Voices Pride #1
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CG 2020 vs CG 2021 comparing backers for the Top 100 books sorted by backers, data extracted from CG Tacker: https://creatorgo.com at 12:45 PM Eastern Time August 24, 2021.
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Comparing Backers to Diamond Orders from June 2021 the Top 100 Comicgate Books for 2021 has as many backers as orders for "Something is Killing the Children"
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With an extraordinary strong finish Comicsgate Top 100 Book backers could potential pass up Marvel Voices Pride #1
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And....the people writing/drawing those books continue to make minimum wage while Gators can pay their mortgage and grocery bills. It turns out more money from fewer people is still more money.
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With the current backer size how many middle class incomes do you believe CG can sustain simultaneously?
More than the comic industry?
It's currently supporting the Kangs quite well. Whether that continues is not really something I or anyone can predict.
Will it be funny if the piggies get smart and close their wallets? Yeah. I guess. It'll be sad funny. Like Mike Miller's unnecessary, ongoing suffering.
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We're doing extraordinarily well on eBay. We overprint our books by at least 20%, and sell them, along with merch, on our eBay store.
Getting people to back campaigns and wait will be tougher over time, which is why we offer the WARTS AND ALL hardcover for $30 to people who are willing to invest in it's creation, and $60 once it's finished and on eBay. Either way, it's selling great, and it's all profit.
We'll see what happens, but we'll have enough money to adapt to changing conditions, between crowdfunding and direct sales from eBay and possibly Amazon.
Getting people to back campaigns and wait will be tougher over time, which is why we offer the WARTS AND ALL hardcover for $30 to people who are willing to invest in it's creation, and $60 once it's finished and on eBay. Either way, it's selling great, and it's all profit.
We'll see what happens, but we'll have enough money to adapt to changing conditions, between crowdfunding and direct sales from eBay and possibly Amazon.
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A hundred percent mark up?
You know, I'll need to check but I believe W&A is just over four hundred pages, N'est-ce pas?
Mhhhm.
Marvel is currently re-releasing Todd McFarlane's crazy run on adjective-less Spidey. The Omni is 75 dollars for 440 pages covering 16 issues of comics.
While you charge ten dollars for shipping, bringing the total to 70 bucks. Sounds like in the Omni market you're competitively priced with Marvel, Frog.