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For any computer-chair lawyers milling about, would this whole #TWITCHBLACKOUT thing they're pushing, along with actively campaigning for Twitch to deplatform certain streamers caught up in the accusations, potentially count as Tortious Interference?

My logic here is that many of those accused didn't actually break any laws even if the accusations are true - for some of them, the worst of it is them being creepy fucks and/or shitty people/bad boyfriends. They haven't committed any criminal offense, and Twitch has been made aware of their wrongdoings. If Twitch decides to let them stay on the platform, and then these bandwagoners get them banned anyway by pressuring Twitch after the fact, does that not fit the criteria for T.I.?
These people aren't involved in the contracts the streamers have with Twitch or their sponsors, but they are intentionally interfering with those contracts, and should these streamers suffer damages (ie. their entire source of income literally vanishing) could they not sue for those damages?

I'm not a lawyer, I don't know what the specifics are or if there's ANY kind of precedent for that kinda thing, but it seems like what these people are trying to accomplish isn't strictly legal.
 
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Hobo Box said:
For any computer-chair lawyers milling about, would this whole #TWITCHBLACKOUT thing they're pushing, along with actively campaigning for Twitch to deplatform certain streamers caught up in the accusations, potentially count as Tortious Interference?

My logic here is that many of those accused didn't actually break any laws even if the accusations are true - for some of them, the worst of it is them being creepy fucks and/or shitty people/bad boyfriends. They haven't committed any criminal offense, and Twitch has been made aware of their wrongdoings. If Twitch decides to let them stay on the platform, and then these bandwagoners get them banned anyway by pressuring Twitch after the fact, does that not fit the criteria for T.I.?
These people aren't involved in the contracts the streamers have with Twitch or their sponsors, but they are intentionally interfering with those contracts, and should these streamers suffer damages (ie. their entire source of income literally vanishing) could they not sue for those damages?

I'm not a lawyer, I don't know what the specifics are or if there's ANY kind of precedent for that kinda thing, but it seems like what these people are trying to accomplish isn't strictly legal.
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no real way to know for sure until someone tries to sue for it, but I'm guessing no.

you'd have to prove that there was no justification for the cancellation of contract - but poor behavior reflecting badly on a company is a justification in itself. you'd also have to prove that they were in a position to force Twitch into breaking contract (or that they used a similarly "inappropriate" method).


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Hobo Box said:
For any computer-chair lawyers milling about, would this whole #TWITCHBLACKOUT thing they're pushing, along with actively campaigning for Twitch to deplatform certain streamers caught up in the accusations, potentially count as Tortious Interference?

My logic here is that many of those accused didn't actually break any laws even if the accusations are true - for some of them, the worst of it is them being creepy fucks and/or shitty people/bad boyfriends. They haven't committed any criminal offense, and Twitch has been made aware of their wrongdoings. If Twitch decides to let them stay on the platform, and then these bandwagoners get them banned anyway by pressuring Twitch after the fact, does that not fit the criteria for T.I.?
These people aren't involved in the contracts the streamers have with Twitch or their sponsors, but they are intentionally interfering with those contracts, and should these streamers suffer damages (ie. their entire source of income literally vanishing) could they not sue for those damages?

I'm not a lawyer, I don't know what the specifics are or if there's ANY kind of precedent for that kinda thing, but it seems like what these people are trying to accomplish isn't strictly legal.
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Theoretically yes, since the streamers likely have a business relationship with Twitch that they knew about and interfered with.

Realistically, they're fucked, because you're dealing with hundreds of John Doe defendants who are probably judgement-proof and would have to be sued in every single state because of jurisdictional issues. It would be stupidly expensive and not worth the time for the minimal pay-off.

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Frog Gremlin said:
no real way to know for sure until someone tries to sue for it, but I'm guessing no.

you'd have to prove that there was no justification for the cancellation of contract - but poor behavior reflecting badly on a company is a justification in itself. you'd also have to prove that they were in a position to force Twitch into breaking contract (or that they used a similarly "inappropriate" method).


www.jonathancooperlaw.com

What is Tortious Interference - & How do you Prove it in NY?

NY business litigation attorney Jonathan Cooper defines the 2 kinds of tortious interference & how to prove them under New York law
www.jonathancooperlaw.com www.jonathancooperlaw.com
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In this case, justification would mean that there was a breach of the contract by the Plaintiff, or some other action that would justify a breach in terms of contract.
 
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Theoretically yes, since the streamers likely have a business relationship with Twitch that they knew about and interfered with.

Realistically, they're fucked, because you're dealing with hundreds of John Doe defendants who are probably judgement-proof and would have to be sued in every single state because of jurisdictional issues. It would be stupidly expensive and not worth the time for the minimal pay-off.

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In this case, justification would mean that there was a breach of the contract by the Plaintiff, or some other action that would justify a breach in terms of contract.
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These dumbasses are going to kill their own paycheck over their hurt feelings is what they're going to do.
My hope is that everyone just gets fed up and finds another hobby.
These shitheads are an even dumber version of the reality stars that made bank when the reality tv fad started. Now look at em, pathetic and brain damaged. Tila Tequila. Mike "Boogie" from Big brother 2.

I want the world to recover so we can see a haggard Amouranth waiting tables at Waffle House and the lesser thots ringing register at Family Dollar.

They need a comeuppance.

Mixer going "fuck you, you're all fired" has blessed us with so much sodium already.
 
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I have been away from this site for weeks (with the occasional look-in when I was bored. Felt great) and I feel like America wasn't the only place on fire during the time.

What in the hell happened here?
 
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Frog Gremlin said:
you'd have to prove that there was no justification for the cancellation of contract - but poor behavior reflecting badly on a company is a justification in itself. you'd also have to prove that they were in a position to force Twitch into breaking contract (or that they used a similarly "inappropriate" method)
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You could pick out a few prominent actors, particularly popular streamers that have been very vocal and forward about pushing Twitch to ban them. It would be easy to gather evidence for your case by clipping tweets and maybe even stream VODs.
Depending on the statement that Twitch releases if they decide to shitcan the streamers as a result of community pressure, you might be able to make a case out of it.
 
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Where are all the Tits? I was promised TITS!
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look down, bud

Hobo Box said:
You could pick out a few prominent actors, particularly popular streamers that have been very vocal and forward about pushing Twitch to ban them. It would be easy to gather evidence for your case by clipping tweets and maybe even stream VODs.
Depending on the statement that Twitch releases if they decide to shitcan them as a result of community pressure, you might be able to make a case out of it.
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getting concrete proof of it being entirely due to the community pressure might be difficult in court if the claimant has a history of poor behavior.
 
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Frog Gremlin said:
you'd have to prove that there was no justification for the cancellation of contract - but poor behavior reflecting badly on a company is a justification in itself.
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Not necessarily. At least in Texas, tortious interference doesn't even require that, and can even apply when the contract has explicit terms allowing it to be canceled, so long as it hasn't already been canceled. Generally boycotts or threats of boycotts are First Amendment protected activity, so if you stay within the lines of such conduct, you're probably okay, but when have these idiots ever stopped at what's legally allowed?
 
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More of the hivemind planning to shut Twitch down tomorrow.

Kiss your easy paycheck goodbye, kids.
 

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Letthepowerofgoutcompelyo said:
More of the hivemind planning to shut Twitch down tomorrow.

Kiss your easy paycheck goodbye, kids.
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I can't imagine there are enough streamers involved to actually make a significant difference. This will barely affect Twitch, I can guarantee.
The company cannot be bullied into doing something they don't want to - they're owned by Amazon for Christ's sake. These streamers are literally screaming into the void.
 
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Real talk: the blackout won't have the effect they're hoping for. It might draw some momentary notice, but longterm? Means dick. People will take up streaming the next day, the bottom line will barely waver for Twitch (subs and bits are pre-bought anyway), life will go on. Assuming they're serious about making a statement, there's more powerful ways of going about it. Until/if a company is in danger of not being solvent from it, they have little reason to care.
 
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