Connor's Official Juno Ending Debate Thread

Connor said:
Come on. Adoptive parents aren't that altruistic. In reality, they'd gladly stab their kids in the back at the right moment.
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Yes. There are a bunch of well meaning adults willing to spend thousands of dollars to adopt and jump through hoops so they can plot and scheme against a child. Connor, why don't you tell us about YOUR childhood?
 
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Connor said:
Someone who can support them financially, but not emotionally.
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I was really going to just let this go and focus on your amazing writing skills and your creative ending of the movie Juno and whatnot... but I got to correct you here a bit my friend because you are making a fool out of yourself. Which is chill if that's what you want to do, but not at the expense of people who adopted children because that's just low.

One of my best childhood friends growing up was a Columbian boy. His birth parents could not take care of him. He was adopted as a baby and he never missed out on any love. To say he was any less loved then a biological child is just plain wrong and inconsiderate as fuck. Especially considering the fact that his adoptive parents were unable to have any children biologically. He is now a student and he does fabulously. The subject also hits home for personal reasons I am not willing to go into deeper here.

TL;DR: bonds of love are stronger then just bonds of blood. You don't need to be related to someone by blood in order to be a good parent to them that's baloney.
 
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Guys, I think he is just suggesting a single mom who works all the time won't be home with that kid she wants so badly. That IMPLIES she won't be a good parent if she can't spend time with her kid. Yes, it's a fucking movie and this is pointless, but that's the point he is trying to make. At least address it if you're going to respond. Step away from your personal issues and examine what he is saying.
 
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Since this is a debate thread, I now offer up my own sequel.

JUNO II
The Story of Juan

Jupiter comes home on a late Wednesday evening. "Mommy, I'm hoooome!" he shouts. "Hello son I am happy to see you!" Vanessa replies. Despite Jupiter being an adopted child, he has a good relationship with his mother. He is not an autistic devil. This is like that one DS9 episode (Cardassians) with that adopted Cardassian orphan kid. It's the perfect life. Jupiter has no crippling 'tism and is able to talk to girls and judge the danger of firearms when not used properly.

The American family sits down together and prepares dinner. Also, Vanessa is actually Juan from The Refrigerator movie in a momentary disguise. He is a great man, a truepatriot. But then, a man breaks into their house!! It's Vernon Schillinger, a brave American man with rugged looks. (I am told by Wikipedia that his actor was in this movie, so here he is.) After quickly knocking Juan out with a crowbar, he grabs some pages out of a book and gets Jupiter in a headlock. "Do not fuck with me, prag," he snarls, "eat the page." Then he breaks Jupiter's arms and legs and nails him to the floor like Jesus, ordering a hit on Jupiter's son (Jupiter has a son) in the meantime.

Also Juan dies.


EPILOGUE
All of their differences have been put aside. They are at peace now.

Jupiter, Schillinger, and the ghost of Juan go to this one lounge to celebrate being paisans. After a few drinks, their old pally, Vic Fontaine, goes onstage to sing.

♫ Some day, when I'm awfully low
When the world is cold
I will feel a glow just thinking of you
And the way you look tonight

You are lovely with your smile so warm
And your cheeks so soft
There is nothing for me but to love you
Just the way you look tonight

With each word your tenderness grows
Tearing my fear apart
And that laugh that wrinkles your nose
Touches my foolish heart

Some day, when I'm awfully low
When the world is cold
I will feel a glow just thinking of you
And the way you look tonight ♫

happy_birthday_deep_space_nine_vic_fontaine_by_ent2pri9se-d5h0t6i.jpg

Note: I have never seen Juno.
 
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CompyRex said:
Since this is a debate thread, I now offer up my own sequel.

JUNO II
The Story of Juan

Jupiter comes home on a late Wednesday evening. "Mommy, I'm hoooome!" he shouts. "Hello son I am happy to see you!" Vanessa replies. Despite Jupiter being an adopted child, he has a good relationship with his mother. He is not an autistic devil. This is like that one DS9 episode (Cardassians) with that adopted Cardassian orphan kid. It's the perfect life. Jupiter has no crippling 'tism and is able to talk to girls and judge the danger of firearms when not used properly.

The American family sits down together and prepares dinner. Also, Vanessa is actually Juan from The Refrigerator movie in a momentary disguise. He is a great man, a truepatriot. But then, a man breaks into their house!! It's Vernon Schillinger, a brave American man with rugged looks. (I am told by Wikipedia that his actor was in this movie, so here he is.) After quickly knocking Juan out with a crowbar, he grabs some pages out of a book and gets Jupiter in a headlock. "Do not fuck with me, prag," he snarls, "eat the page." Then he breaks Jupiter's arms and legs and nails him to the floor like Jesus, ordering a hit on Jupiter's son (Jupiter has a son) in the meantime.

Also Juan dies.


EPILOGUE
All of their differences have been put aside. They are at peace now.

Jupiter, Schillinger, and the ghost of Juan go to this one lounge to celebrate being paisans. After a few drinks, their old pally, Vic Fontaine, goes onstage to sing.

♫ Some day, when I'm awfully low
When the world is cold
I will feel a glow just thinking of you
And the way you look tonight

You are lovely with your smile so warm
And your cheeks so soft
There is nothing for me but to love you
Just the way you look tonight

With each word your tenderness grows
Tearing my fear apart
And that laugh that wrinkles your nose
Touches my foolish heart

Some day, when I'm awfully low
When the world is cold
I will feel a glow just thinking of you
And the way you look tonight ♫

happy_birthday_deep_space_nine_vic_fontaine_by_ent2pri9se-d5h0t6i.jpg

Note: I have never seen Juno.
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when does the Wafflemaker come into the story
 
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Connor said:
To those of you unfamiliar with what I’m talking about, allow me to explain. There was hugely successful indie movie that came out in 2007 called Juno, the story of a pregnant teenager, played by Ellen Page in an acclaimed performance, who undergoes a series of trials and tribulations for nine months. The short version: Juno eventually gives her child up to Vanessa Loring (Jennifer Garner’s character). Juno gets the guy. Roll credits. Sounds real Hollywood, doesn’t it? In my opinion, it’s a little too Hollywood for its own good. When you really think long and hard about it, the adoption of Juno’s son by Vanessa opens a Pandora’s Box of unfortunate implications. We know that Vanessa Loring, recently divorced from her sleazy husband Mark (Jason Bateman of Arrested Development fame), is now an upper-class single mother, with a very demanding and high paying job. She’s also something of a control freak, and throughout the film, she seems bent on getting a child no matter what. She has one now, so what’s next?

Juno said herself the baby was always Vanessa’s, and doesn’t seem to want anything to do with it. After all, she chose a traditional closed adoption, meaning that under no circumstances is Vanessa legally obligated to give out any information regarding the identity of the child’s biological mother. What if Juno’s son falls ill, and needs access to his medical history? Too bad. It’s his problem now. Buck up and bite the bullet, sea monkey. What if he’s legitimately curious about his genealogical history, like most searching adoptees are? “Why should you? You’re MINE,” Vanessa will bark at his face.

What I’m about to write is going to sound very harsh, and I apologize in advance.

Let’s turn the clock forward to high school. Juno’s son, who we shall call Jupiter in this thread, is unhappy with his life. Though financially supported, he is emotionally stunted. His adoptive mother seems more interested in using him as a means to an end than actually parenting him, living vicariously through him at every turn. She complains about his grades. She chooses his friends of girlfriends. In short, Vanessa Loring has Jupiter by the balls. At the same time, Vanessa can barely contain the amount of disappointment that she has for Jupiter.

“Why can’t you be more like me?” she sneers.

“Your real mother made the wrong decision, Jupiter,” she snarls.

“You should’ve been aborted, you little bastard.”

Fast-forward. Jupiter’s out of high school now. He can barely hold down a job. He can hardly speak to a girl. Every night, he plays Russian roulette with only a single empty chamber. He never succeeds.

“You little coward,” Vanessa’s voice shouts in his head.

One day, he buys an assault rifle and walks into a maternity ward, killing a few people before turning the gun on himself.

That’s Jupiter’s life in a nutshell.
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This can be done better...

This is how it REALLY went down

Ellen Page and Michael Cera meet but she's like a lesbian so she's like: "ewww Michael your a dude" and he's like: "fuck you bitch you think you better then me?" and shes like "im a strong independent woman i can take care of myself i dont need a man".

Then! she goes out into town and she gets crazy drunk and shes in this lesbobar and she meeds a redhaired lady who offers to buy her a drink. "whats your name pretty?" the redhaired lady says in a deep, manly voice. "ellen," says ellen page with her adorable voice, but in a drunken way. "cool" says the redhaired lady "ellens like my favorite name". they passionately make out.

The next day Ellen is pregnant because the redhaired lesbian was actually Molly Ringwald and Molly Ringwald has a penis. So she has a baby and she pretends its actually from Michael Cera but he doesnt want it and then shes like: "lets give it away" and hes like "sure". And then Ellen Page meets a fat woman called Barbara Chandler who says she wants the baby she tells her elderly boyfriend Bob its actually his. And he believes it. Bob asks Barbara "what shall we name this child?" and she says "Jupiter!" and Bob says: "no thats gay the kids will make fun of him lets call him Christopher after Christopher Columbus".

Then Michael Ceras career dies and Ellen Page and Molly Ringwald get married and Jupiter is Christian Weston Chandler and everybody is happy except Michael Cera but hes a douche so who really gives a fuck? lol thats on this site

The End
 
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In my version Ellen Page forms a prenatal bond with her child like a normal woman and even though it tears her to pieces she gives the child up. The child has a wonderful life full of love but Ellen can never forgive herself and inflicts the worst possible torment upon herself...



and calls David Cage back.
 
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Bgheff said:
Guys, I think he is just suggesting a single mom who works all the time won't be home with that kid she wants so badly. That IMPLIES she won't be a good parent if she can't spend time with her kid. Yes, it's a fucking movie and this is pointless, but that's the point he is trying to make. At least address it if you're going to respond.
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But giving retarded answers to a retarded thread is the best part!
 
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Connor said:
Someone who can support them financially, but not emotionally.
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Connor said:
Come on. Adoptive parents aren't that altruistic. In reality, they'd gladly stab their kids in the back at the right moment.
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That may be your opinion, but in my opinion you're wrong. There are good people and there are bad people, true, but adoption isn't this evil thing you're making it out to be. Certainly not "stabbing kids in the back." There are bio-parents who treat their kids like shit, which makes your implication about blood moot. Blood isn't all that important, but the BOND that is shared is.

Adoptive parents can support their children just as emotionally as a bio parent can. They may not be blood, but they are still their parents who raised them with love, supported them, and were there for them in the good times and the bad times. That is what's important.

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Yes, because a blood connection means you'll be treated well. Connor, you need to really get out in the world. Like, what is this line of thought? Adoptive parents are usually chill as fuck because they want children or to help those in need. Stop being a mook.
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Seriously. I really don't understand this. My mom is adopted and my grandparents love her and their son/her brother/my uncle, who is also adopted. You don't need to be blood related to love someone or have a strong bond. Family is family, blood relation or not.

silentprincess said:
I want to adopt kids if I can't have some of my own, does that mean I am going to be a bad parent?
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From what I've gathered about your personality, you don't seem like you'd be a bad parent at all, for what it's worth.
 
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