EU Could the EU overturn the German election results if the AfD does well? - Former European Commissioner Thierry Breton certainly thinks so

A great deal of controversy erupted in response to former European Commissioner for Internal Market Thierry Breton’s remarks last month regarding the European Union’s alleged power to overturn election results in its member states. Breton made the statement on the French television channel RMC Story. Speaking about the upcoming national elections in Germany and the expectation that the right-wing populist Alternative for Germany (AfD) party will perform well, Breton commented that “we did it in Romania and we will obviously do it in Germany if necessary.”

🇩🇪🇪🇺Thierry Breton's statement on canceling Germany's elections translated to English.
Breton said if the EU Commission decides that the election in Germany was subject to "foreign interference," they would annul the election as they did in Romania's presidential election pic.twitter.com/3433nU8ya9
— Remix News & Views (@RMXnews) January 13, 2025

Breton was referring to November’s presidential election in Romania, where the results were annulled after a right-wing populist, Călin Georgescu, unexpectedly won the most votes. The Romanian Constitutional Court claimed that this move had been mandated due to an online Russian interference campaign that had been carried out in the run-up to the election.

Breton didn’t specify who the “we” was in his statement, but given that he is a Brussels politician, most assumed that he was referring to the European Union.

The cancellation of the election has become a global news story, and just this week, U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance specifically pointed out the incident to showcase a lack of democracy in Europe while lambasting European elites at the Munich Security Conference,

JD Vance calls the European leaders gathered at the Munich Security Conference a bunch of HYPOCRITES for claiming to value “democracy” while actively working to overturn Romania’s recent election.
THIS is what real American leadership looks like. 🇺🇸🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/XpSKSOdotC
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András László, a Hungarian MEP from Viktor Orbán’s Fidesz party, likewise attracted attention when he responded to Breton’s statement on X last month by saying that the European Union “refuses to respect democratic norms.” He went on to accuse the EU of being willing to “cancel democracy” when it doesn’t like the outcome of national elections in its member states. Entrepreneur and leader of the recently created U.S. Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) Elon Musk, who has been highly critical of the EU himself, retweeted László’s remark with the simple comment, “Exactly.”

The Hungarian fact-checking site Faktum decided to investigate how correct MEP László’s remarks are. This issue takes on even greater relevancy in relation to the EU’s Digital Services Act (DSA), which was adopted in 2022 and entered into force in 2024. Among its provisions, the DSA requires online platforms operating within the EU to censor content at the Brussels bureaucrats’ behest when it allegedly violates EU law. The DSA likewise seeks greater transparency in terms of the sources of political advertising.

Several online companies, such as the search engine giant Google, have since indicated that they will refuse to comply with the DSA. Elon Musk’s X has likewise been accused by the EU of being in violation of the DSA by disseminating problematic political content, although Musk has denied the accusations, claiming that the EU is merely trying to censor speech that it doesn’t like.

While it hasn’t happened yet, the possibility of the government of an EU member state using the DSA or other EU legislation to annul the results of a national election when it doesn’t like the result certainly exists. After all, under the provisions of the EU’s governing treaties, national courts are responsible for enforcing EU law as well as domestic law.

Although the EU was not directly involved in the annulment of Romania’s recent election — at least not openly — it has been keeping a close eye on events there given that it can be seen as a test case for how the DSA could be applied in a similar situation in the future. This was underscored by the fact that the European Commission has launched its own investigation into whether “Russian interference” on social media played a role in the Romanian election.

There is also very much a double standard in how “foreign interference” is understood in Brussels. András László pointed out in his tweet that the EU remained silent when Viktor Orbán’s united opposition received $10 million from anonymous sources in the United States and Switzerland in the run-up to Hungary’s 2022 national elections, and it was widely known that the U.S. embassy had supported the opposition’s media operations during the same period as well. (The European Commission naturally denies that there is any such double standard, and insists that it only has the power to intervene in a limited way in cases of election interference, which fall under the purview of the member states themselves.)

In response, in 2023, the Hungarian Parliament enacted legislation which led to the creation of the Office for the Defense of Sovereignty. This office is tasked with preventing foreign interference, such as by investigating NGOs and other institutions in Hungary that are funded from abroad. The European Union responded by referring Hungary to the European Court of Justice, claiming that this office violates the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights.

In the case of Germany, the Federal Elections Act is the legislation that governs the way in which the integrity of the country’s elections is guaranteed. It is also the legal mechanism under which an election result can be challenged. The Federal Constitutional Court is the body that would be called upon to review election results in a case where foul play was suspected. This has never happened before in modern German history, however, and Faktum considers it very unlikely that the German court would regard a violation of the EU’s new directives on social media alone as a sufficient cause for overturning an election result.

Additionally, if the German government were to find evidence that there had been foreign interference in an election, it would first launch an investigation before taking the extremely drastic step of annulling the results altogether. And in order for the latter to occur, very clear and extensive evidence of foreign interference would have to be presented and proven. This is very unlike what happened in Romania in December, a country that has a very different body of legislation governing its elections than Germany does. The chances that the upcoming German national elections might be overturned by the courts are therefore very low.

How the EU’s DSA will ultimately affect national politics in Europe remains to be seen. While everyone agrees on the need to secure elections against foreign influence in the age of social media, different factions disagree on how this should be implemented. Whereas liberals tend to see the DSA as a way of combating such interference, those on the right fear that it could limit freedom of expression. Only time will tell how the DSA will ultimately be enforced in practice.

In Germany’s case, however, we can at least say that Thierry Breton’s claim that the EU would overturn the results of the upcoming election if the AfD does well is greatly exaggerated.

 
The International Socialists worrying about the National Socialists.
More importantly, how do they plan to cross the Atlantic with those carriers they don't have?
Even if a hypothetical army reaches the east coast, they have a bunch of People of Socio-Economic Factors to worry about, once it's done, they got the Appalachia to cross and will get 360-No-Scope by Cletus.
 
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"With what militaries?"
Come on, now, you know not to play that silly game.
You're right though, our militaries aren't camel-fuckers with 50 year old weapons or rice pickers in a jungle, so maybe, you might win this time, maybe.
 
Come on, now, you know not to play that silly game.
You're right though, our militaries aren't camel-fuckers with 50 year old weapons or rice pickers in a jungle, so maybe, you might win this time, maybe.
Awww, its the cute Bong pretends they have a military when even the Frogs have a more powerful surface navy than you.

Have you hooked Admiral Nelson up to a generator yet? Would work a hell of a lot better than windmills at solving your country's energy issues.
 
Awww, its the cute Bong pretends they have a military when even the Frogs have a more powerful surface navy than you.

Have you hooked Admiral Nelson up to a generator yet? Would work a hell of a lot better than windmills at solving your country's energy issues.
The 1800's called, they want their warfare back.

For a spoiler alert of how well a modern navy would do in a war, imagine 100 kamikaze pilots hitting every ship on the seas. We saw the devastation caused by cheaply produced drones. A navy is nothing and modern jets are too advanced.

War isn't won by the army with the most weapons, but won by those with the best strategy. History is littered with examples of yuge armies decimated by better tactics.
 
I never wanted to waste money or time on other countries. I’d happily support pulling out of most of the world. Good luck with the rapefugees you’ve imported en masse.

Crazy how much evil such a small country is responsible for.
Previous generations had King Leopold II and the Congo genocide, Brussels wants to outdo them by genociding Europe with waves of jihadi incels.
 
The 1800's called, they want their warfare back.

For a spoiler alert of how well a modern navy would do in a war, imagine 100 kamikaze pilots hitting every ship on the seas. We saw the devastation caused by cheaply produced drones. A navy is nothing and modern jets are too advanced.

War isn't won by the army with the most weapons, but won by those with the best strategy. History is littered with examples of yuge armies decimated by better tactics.
Man, I don't know how the USA could ever respond to being zerg rushed by drones, time to pack it in and admit we're done for.
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For a spoiler alert of how well a modern navy would do in a war, imagine 100 kamikaze pilots hitting every ship on the seas. We saw the devastation caused by cheaply produced drones. A navy is nothing and modern jets are too advanced.
U.S. Military never forgotten the WWII kamikazes and had made a point nothing short of a peer equal will have a chance at threatening a carrier battle group nevermind the whole navy. Plus you're parroting the same shit the Soviets have been saying about their "superior" anti-ship missiles since the 1950ies.
War isn't won by the army with the most weapons, but won by those with the best strategy. History is littered with examples of yuge armies decimated by better tactics.
Which yuge armies with the most and better weapons?
 
Japan is the only developed country openly governed by the far-right, and that's because their ruling class are devout to the Emperor and the Japanese nation.

Any attempts by Western institutions to change this is quickly squashed, like Japan withdrawing funding from the UN Human Rights commission.

Europe is absolutely c*cked, with the European Union effectively governed by a globalist multiculturalist multiracialist multifaith technocrats who are invested in a liberal world order because otherwise their heads would be on spikes for subverting and contorting nations into seamless indisctinct brown blobs that resemble anywhere.

America is hardly different with Hollywood and the technocrats in Silicon Valley, that includes Elon Musk, only bearing a semblance of nationalism by means of an abstract devotion to, not a people, not a geography, not a faith, not a culture, and not a language, but a flag.

It is hardly a surprise that monarchist homogeneous far-right Japan can claim direct descent to its ancestors 3,000 years ago but no nation in Europe and North America can no longer make the same claim.

King Charles III can trace direct descent from the Plantagenets but the typical Londoner is probably more related to Ashoka.
 
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The Russian interference in Romania of using social media to push the far-right party has been debunked. It was some retarded attempt by one of the major parties to try and help themselves. It was known at the time and the whole thing was corrupt. Drop Site has reported on it and of course, it's ignored because we have to live ina pretend world. It's the most fundamental part of the story which is why it gets ignored.
 
It is hardly a surprise that monarchist homogeneous far-right Japan can claim direct descent to its ancestors 3,000 years ago but no nation in Europe and North America can no longer make the same claim.
I think part of that is that up to the Meiji Restoration Japan was far more class stratified than Europe (which was fairly stratified until the FRench got uppity).

Assuming they exist in two hundred years, much of that may be lost.
 
Since AfD are Russo-American stooges this may be a necessity in any case.
And the other parties are stooges for other groups, but nobody is seething and looking for legalistic ways to deny the public of the ability to vote them into power.

Sneed harder.

"This new multi billion dollar wunderwaffe will render our ships invincible!!"
 
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Is this really the only German election thread?

As I see it, if the BSW doesn't get in then its Black-Red all the way down, if they do (which is also possible,) then its the total parralization of a black-red-green coalition which can agree on literally nothing.
 
It is hardly a surprise that monarchist homogeneous far-right Japan can claim direct descent to its ancestors 3,000 years ago but no nation in Europe and North America can no longer make the same claim
Lmao no they can't. Half the Japanese were living in Korea and Manchuria like 3,000 years ago and ended up migrating to Japan and conquering and mixing with stone age Jomon people who had several different ethnic groups. And then a fuckton of other Japanese had their ancestors imported as immigrants from Korea and China like 1,500 years ago (they call them "toraijin") since Japan was backwards compared to the rest of Asia and they wanted better craftsmen. Japanese were still raping and conquering until they assimilated all the Ainu who didn't live on Hokkaido like a few centuries ago. They're just as mixed as the (white) Germans who came about as a mix of Germanic tribes, Celts, and Slavs.

Americans are truly fucked because we did a Great Replacement on Native Americans and then our elite in late 19th century did another Great Replacement on the original white Americans.
 
It is hardly a surprise that monarchist homogeneous far-right Japan can claim direct descent to its ancestors 3,000 years ago but no nation in Europe and North America can no longer make the same claim.
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Newgrange is 5'200 years old chuddy. Irish people today can identify their ancestors in neolithic tombs going back 1000s of years. Unless you're pureblooded Jōmon most Japs are Yayoi rapefugees.
 
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