Cryptids - Sasquatch, the Loch Ness Monster, and the like

[Maiden-TieJuan]

In my neck of the woods (woods in the loosest form of the word) we have a local cryptid that has actually appeared on TV shows.

The Nightcrawler. The guy who filmed the original video is very credible, and is extremely adamant that the video is NOT faked. His family has been harassed by different people and news organizations that want them to admit it is fake, and they have never wavered, nit once as far as I know. Even the church Father's and deacons have vouched for the family's honesty.

I think it is fake, but a neighborhood kid prank, not by the family themselves.

 

[ulsterscotsman]

In my neck of the woods (woods in the loosest form of the word) we have a local cryptid that has actually appeared on TV shows.

The Nightcrawler. The guy who filmed the original video is very credible, and is extremely adamant that the video is NOT faked. His family has been harassed by different people and news organizations that want them to admit it is fake, and they have never wavered, nit once as far as I know. Even the church Father's and deacons have vouched for the family's honesty.

I think it is fake, but a neighborhood kid prank, not by the family themselves.

But how could this prank have been pulled off? And why was this Family targeted?
It easy enough to just write it off as a prank but questions still need answered.

 

[Maiden-TieJuan]

But how could this prank have been pulled off? And why was this Family targeted?
It easy enough to just write it off as a prank but questions still need answered.

A friend of mine lived in the neighborhood. He said they9 are a notorious "GET OF MY LAWN!!!" family, and that area is extremely high crime, hence the cameras. The family calls the cops on kids all the time for stupid shit. He told me that a kid was bragging to his son that his cousin did it, but that could just be bullshit. Fact or Faked tried to reenact it, and they couldnt.

 

[ulsterscotsman]

A friend of mine lived in the neighborhood. He said they9 are a notorious "GET OF MY LAWN!!!" family, and that area is extremely high crime, hence the cameras. The family calls the cops on kids all the time for stupid shit. He told me that a kid was bragging to his son that his cousin did it, but that could just be bullshit. Fact or Faked tried to reenact it, and they couldnt.

If a TV show with a big budget failed to replicate it then it'd be incredible to know some kids managed to pull off a very impractical prank.
I believe there is near ten people who claimed to be the Bigfoot in the Patterson–Gimlin film.

 

[Maiden-TieJuan]

If a TV show with a big budget failed to replicate it then it'd be incredible to know some kids managed to pull off a very impractical prank.
I believe there is near ten people who claimed to be the Bigfoot in the Patterson–Gimlin film.

I do know that the Yosemite Nightcrawler was faked. Supposedly there is some major mistakes made when the photoshoped the image together. But they never could prove the Fresno one was faked. I don't know tho. The whole thing was really fishy (Fresno video) what with the actual video being a recording of a TV screen that was playing the original video. The original video was either given to the police or taped over, according to different stories about it.

 

[Mason Verger]

The thing with the Fresno nightcrawler is: why go with that effect? It's just such a weird choice. Walking pants? If they could pull that off, why not do something more "sexy" so to speak. It's comical weirdness makes it more spooky

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Even with modern HD cameras wild Animals especially shy ones are still extremely hard to film.
Now imagine a creature that is extremely shy of humans and has intelligence which is extremely comparable to our own, It's not unreasonable to think that a creature like that could stay hidden for so long?
With hundreds, even thousands of sightings every year there's definitely something going on.

We should still find physical evidence such as bones, hair, and tools. I also don't buy 'intelligence' as a reasonable explanation for their scarcity. Dolphins are highly intelligent and they're generally as fascinated by us as we are by them.

 

[cuddle striker]

The thing with the Fresno nightcrawler is: why go with that effect? It's just such a weird choice. Walking pants? If they could pull that off, why not do something more "sexy" so to speak. It's comical weirdness makes it more spooky

I love those pants. I think because of dr seuss. it's the only explanation for why they'd pick that. also they seem easy enough to puppeteer.

We should still find physical evidence such as bones, hair, and tools. I also don't buy 'intelligence' as a reasonable explanation for their scarcity. Dolphins are highly intelligent and they're generally as fascinated by us as we are by them.

I agree but I want them to exist anyway. I have done a lot of work on neanderthal remains/culture, to make up for the lack of sasquatch in real life.

 

[ulsterscotsman]

We should still find physical evidence such as bones, hair, and tools. I also don't buy 'intelligence' as a reasonable explanation for their scarcity. Dolphins are highly intelligent and they're generally as fascinated by us as we are by them.

Hair, Structures, Footprints, Droppings and other things have been found, Plus the Hundreds maybe even thousands of sightings every year.
It depends how you think of them, Are they nothing more than a upright Gorilla, or are they a different species of Human?
When you see the potential for destructiveness and intrusiveness that Humans have, would you not believe it would be in their best interest to stay hidden from us?

 

[cuddle striker]

Hair, Structures, Footprints, Droppings and other things have been found, Plus the Hundreds maybe even thousands of sightings every year.
It depends how you think of them, Are they nothing more than a upright Gorilla, or are they a different species of Human?
When you see the potential for destructiveness and intrusiveness that Humans have, would you not believe it would be in their best interest to stay hidden from us?

see, now I believe it again.

that's how on the fence I am. all I have to do is scroll up a little and I don't believe it, then scroll down and I do.

and you guys aren't even that convincing.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Hair, Structures, Footprints, Droppings and other things have been found, Plus the Hundreds maybe even thousands of sightings every year.
It depends how you think of them, Are they nothing more than a upright Gorilla, or are they a different species of Human?

Hair and droppings usually come back as bear or deer when tested. Footprints can easily be faked. Structures can also be faked. I've seen one compelling footprint, but it can't be ruled out for fakery either. Evidence isn't evidence unless it's verified.

When you see the potential for destructiveness and intrusiveness that Humans have, would you not believe it would be in their best interest to stay hidden from us?

How would bigfoot fucking know? It couldn't possibly understand the consequences of discovery.

 

[Mason Verger]

It's a conspiracy of silence perpetrated and fostered by the national park service which was created by Theodore Roosevelt who was a documented proponent of the Sasquatch mythos!
Also.. Injun spirits..!

 

[Intelligent Calcium]

 

[ulsterscotsman]

Hair and droppings usually come back as bear or deer when tested. Footprints can easily be faked. Structures can also be faked. I've seen one compelling footprint, but it can't be ruled out for fakery either. Evidence isn't evidence unless it's verified.

In fact some hair and dropping samples have came back as unknown hominid and while there has been alot of fake tracks, there has also been alot of compelling tracks that include things like dermal ridges.
Also very interesting ones like the "Cripplefoot" tracks.

How would bigfoot fucking know? It couldn't possibly understand the consequences of discovery.

We are not exactly talking about an about an average animal.

 

[Chris did nothing wrong]

I was really into cryptids in high school and was an avid reader of forums and books centered on such topics. I sort of left the “true believer” phase several years ago, but I still read them on occasion.

I think cryptids provide an interesting insight in how humans view the natural world. Despite having raped nature for centuries, we still see it as a foreign place full of monsters.

Plus, the theories explaining them are often as fun as the animals themselves. Did you know many scientists think that sea monster sightings are just whale dicks?

 

[Vocaloid Ruby]

I love Cryptids, really do. I've always had a thing for them, but I don't particularly believe in things like Bigfoot or the Abominable Snowman or the Jersey Devil. mainly because I don't know much about them to draw a positive conclution.

My favourite 'hoax' of sorts, is the infamous' Seamonk' a cryptid from the 13th centrey that fisherman fished up and thought was a monk from the sea. It was really just a tropical sun fish that was in British waters for some reason that looked like a monk. The only remaining mystery to this day is how it looked like that.

The best cryptid however, is This guy.

 

[TowinKarz]

Hair and droppings usually come back as bear or deer when tested. Footprints can easily be faked. Structures can also be faked. I've seen one compelling footprint, but it can't be ruled out for fakery either. Evidence isn't evidence unless it's verified..

As far as I know, no hair sample has ever been brought to scientists and been credited to some unknown hominid. Claims that such evidence has been found usually fall apart on close examination and it turns out Bigfoot fans are guilty of playing weasley games with words, i.e. - the lab says "this is probably black bear hair" , but it gets twisted into "lab not 100% certain it's NOT Bigfoot" by the time it reaches the newsletters... and the stuff that is the most clearly NOT from a known animal, like tracks, is suspect since no one was there to see what made them.

And the "thousands of sightings" by people who are touted as "having no reason to lie" line up nicely when you overlay the natural habitat of the Black Bear over the map of where Bigfoot allegedly has been.

I get why he exists, we want so badly to BELIEVE he exists that we'll pry apart solid facts until we've found that comforting tiny bit of ambiguity that lets us think "it's not 100% certain" while forgetting the tons of certainty that had to be moved out of the way to get there.

I'm less enthusiastic about cryptids than the absolute bonkers stories about alien abductions, the kookier the better.

I'm talking the Hopkinsville Goblin level goofy....

Cisco Grove "Robot" goofy....

Look em up if you haven't, you'll be amused.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

In fact some hair and dropping samples have came back as unknown hominid and while there has been alot of fake tracks, there has also been alot of compelling tracks that include things like dermal ridges.
Also very interesting ones like the "Cripplefoot" tracks.

That's actually the track I find most compelling. I dunno what it is, but it's not normal.

We are not exactly talking about an about an average animal.

That doesn't answer my question. Unless bigfoot has a wifi connection and reads Wikipedia, it won't know shit about our ethics or the way we treat other animals. Their primary experience with humans consists of a couple drunk assholes in the woods. If anything they would associate us with guns and food.

 

[TowinKarz]

You can't make a definitive statement about the behavior of an animal not proven to exist....

 

[Tootsie Bear]

Cryptids are okay but I'm more inclined to be skeptical. I remember being a kid and that I loved watching anything with Bigfoot or the Sasquatch, the Loch Ness monster, and the infamous, alien chupacabra.
Whenever my parents, friends, and I returned from Reno, NV on late nights, we'll drive on the freeway that surrounded by dense forests. Looking out the car window, I could imagine there were bigfoots out there walking around when nobody could see them do whatever in the forest.