Cryptids - Sasquatch, the Loch Ness Monster, and the like

[cumrobbery]

Past drunk me is spergy and exceptional.

While I love the whole cryptozoology thing I have to admit the whole "Bigfoot Community" thing is very thread worthy.
I remember back in 2012/2013 a conman called Rick Dyer claimed he shot a Bigfoot and the aftermath of it caused the gayest of gay ops on Facebook between Pro Dyer and Anti Dyer Bigfoot group such as "Bigfoot Warz". Thinking back a bunch of grown ass people and boomers running gay ops on each other and fighting on facebook over Bigfoot was hilarious.

that's fucking awesome

 

[ulsterscotsman]

that's fucking awesome

It was, in hindsight I wish I had archived a lot of it.
Look like old "Dick Ryder'' is running short on money and trying to start the hoax again.
"I swears guys it's real this time, I actually shot a bigfoot and have the body!!1!!1

Oh yeah he said he was releasing DVDs of the Bigfoot shooting and body and charged people $30 - $50 Dollars for them and of course never shipped them LOL.

He got a fake body made up and took it on tour.

 

[Odie Esty]

TREYtheExplainer has a lot of great videos about cryptids. The first half of the video usually goes over the initial evidence and often that's enough to disprove them, but in the second half he actually gives an example of what a real animal that meets the description would be like and how it would act.

Did the Flatwoods Monster Exist?

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he's got a ton of other great vids to, super great channel.

 

[Aquinas]

I feel like FO76 handled the cryptids very well in my opinion.
also, this might be only tangently related to the topic on hand, but do you think we'll ever get a cryptid based isekai manga?

 

[din365]

well, you gotta give him credit for at least trying to make a fake bigfoot. The thing I've personally noticed is that once cellphone cameras became a thing and got increasingly less potato-like, reports of these cryptids seem less common, and the ones that do pop up are still on potato-ish "trail cams".

However, I think cryptids(or at least the hunters of them) are like psychics. There's a bunch of fakes out here just looking for their 15 minutes of fame like Rick Dyer, and when they get called out, they come up with the lamest excuses. "the federal government took my other bigfoot" or "they made me sign a NDA" are just the classic "my dog ate my proof" kind of BS that any two-bit huckster does.

Now, if there really is a sasquatch or a cryptid out there, then chance are it probably really is just an undiscovered species, but these scammy cryptid hunters pretty much ruin any chance of any actual authentic proof to be taken seriously. they ironically hurt the hunt.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

well, you gotta give him credit for at least trying to make a fake bigfoot. The thing I've personally noticed is that once cellphone cameras became a thing and got increasingly less potato-like, reports of these cryptids seem less common, and the ones that do pop up are still on potato-ish "trail cams".

However, I think cryptids(or at least the hunters of them) are like psychics. There's a bunch of fakes out here just looking for their 15 minutes of fame like Rick Dyer, and when they get called out, they come up with the lamest excuses. "the federal government took my other bigfoot" or "they made me sign a NDA" are just the classic "my dog ate my proof" kind of BS that any two-bit huckster does.

Now, if there really is a sasquatch or a cryptid out there, then chance are it probably really is just an undiscovered species, but these scammy cryptid hunters pretty much ruin any chance of any actual authentic proof to be taken seriously. they ironically hurt the hunt.

A man sized gorilla in the woods in the US would have been noticed by someone with a working camera by now. A giant fucking dinosaur in a scottish lake would certainly need to eat, and you'd think, again, someone with a working camera would have noticed it.

So the only "maybe it's real" cryptids at this point in time would be ones that are small enough to miss, similar enough to a known species to be mistaken for it, or in a place humans just don't go much, like the bottom of the ocean.

 

[cuddle striker]

I'm really interested in the ningen right now.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

The more we find out about dinosaurs the less likely I find mythical creatures. Supposedly dinos didn't even roar, and more or less looked like giant chickens. If even our most "extreme" animals are upscaled chicken, why would devilish hounds exist?

That said, I come from a small Scandinavian town, and my grandfather was a big deal here. He wrote a lot of journals on local sightings, opinions etc etc, which also included a large amount of supernatural shit. Gnomes, Helhest, etc. One story that stood out was a beached, broken-in ship on the beach. Walking past, an old man suddenly felt an immense weight on his back, supposedly a spectral drowned sailor from said boat. He said, "If you let me go, I'll return tomorrow". Weight disappear, and reappeared once he passed by again.

I find these sorts of smalltime stories vastly more believeable than the grand scale everything in mainstream media has been inflated to. Also, humans are pricks and do everything for fame. Any and all evidence on anything is fabricated, which is sad in a way. Our only hope is the deep waters, and at best it's small jellylike fish, and not behemoths who'd die under the pressure.

I mean fuck. An animal wouldn't casually turn around and keep walking. Everything from bears to cats stand still and analyze. How can the adults who faked this not get such a simple thing right?

 

[Anonymous For This]

I'm not sure if you could really classify it as a 'cryptid', but I honestly believe the Tasmanian Tiger is still running around somewhere. There's been far too many sightings and too many universities throwing real money into trying to find them for me to think they're just another Big Foot or Nessie. The Outback is also one of the largest and least populated places left on earth. And drunk abos and Aussies don't make good witnesses.

Kiwi Bird is total shit, though, that thing can't be real.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

He got a fake body made up and took it on tour.

The immediate failure with these kind of things is how they always look too perfect. Perfect mane, perfect color, perfectly preserved and like you'd imagine it. When we find new species, or even study the inbetweens like half-ape humans; they're fucking ugly. Not even monkeys have as perfect coats as bigfoots do, so they'd be evolving in a completely different way than humans did, and then you'd have to answer 'why?', opening up a whole new path.

Every farmland animal today looks flawless in a way. Four legs, sheep face, wooly coat, horns. How would something of this caliber in the shape of Bigfoot be alive and not thriving? Creatures die because their bodies aren't optimal. The whole idea of a suboptimal creature walking around, worthy of a nickname and mythos, is some romanticized bullshit from the medieval times.

Too many years have passed for imperfect creatures to exist. They wouldn't thrive; they'd be gone. It ends there, as boring as it is. And crazy lab experiments are like.. Cloning sheep. Again, if it went wrong, it'd die.

I honestly believe the Tasmanian Tiger is still running around somewhere

This is my point exactly. It looks like an animal. Four legs, coat, tail, teeth; a variation of something we have a lot of already. The closest we've come to bigfoot must've been an abnormally large monkey that had normal-sized kids and died.

 

[Quoookie]

What are you guys' opinions on the possible existence of cryptids? For those not in the know, the Oxford English Dictionary defines cryptid as "an animal whose existence or survival to the present day is disputed or unsubstantiated". Think animals like Sasquatch, the Chuparcabra, the Yeti, and the Loch Ness Monster. Is there a possibility that any of these mythical beasts actually exist, or is it all just some elaborate hoax?

Dreams come true and are real. Real life and reality are the biggest hoaxes ever. I do believe all of those mentioned above are real and they rule over us like Gods. We should worship them on some level.

 

[Bum Driller]

I would say that some of the better known cryptids might have existed at some point in the past, leaving some kind of memory trace on human culture/collective consciousness, but it's highly likely that they have gone extinct by now, most likely quite long time ago. Only possibility for them still existing would be that some powerful organization of humans would be keeping them alive and hidden really well, which is theoretically possible but not very likely. Why would anyone do that?

 

[Sīn the Moon Daddy]

I would say that some of the better known cryptids might have existed at some point in the past, leaving some kind of memory trace on human culture/collective consciousness

Sort of like how Europeans have an ungodly number of myths regarding humanlike monsters and then it turned out that Neanderthals were still living in northern Europe when modern humans arrived there?

 

[Marissa Moira]

I would say that some of the better known cryptids might have existed at some point in the past, leaving some kind of memory trace on human culture/collective consciousness, but it's highly likely that they have gone extinct by now, most likely quite long time ago. Only possibility for them still existing would be that some powerful organization of humans would be keeping them alive and hidden really well, which is theoretically possible but not very likely. Why would anyone do that?

This is what's supposedly happening with the Tazmanian Tiger..

Although non-blurry footage did turn up a few times that people have triangulated a general area on where they could be. It's a real possibility that a private game reserve has been breeding them and wants the public to not know of them until the numbers are sufficient. The supposed problem is, is that the tigers were real weak to diseases that originated from domesticated dogs and that humans can also transmit the germs to the tigers themselves.

 

[Kaede Did Nothing Wrong]

Bigfoot confirmed, science btfo

even if bigfoots were invisible and never left footprints or took shits, naturalists would still be able to detect the presence of a big ass animal through the predation rates and population of other species. apex predators exert a huge influence on their surroundings. there are only like 100 wolves in Yellowstone and consider how much they impact their ecosystem. an "intelligent" hominid bigger than man would have to eat more than a wolf. the absence of bigfoot's influence in competition for the scarce resources available should be all the proof you need it is a fiction.

if bigfoot was real they'd be like bears and constantly trying to get into our garbage cans. also if they were real then cryptid idiots would make up something else to believe, because they have zero interest in actual biology

 

[Otterly]

Oooh what a great thread!

Nessie: Loch Ness is DULL and there’s not much to stop for. Even the chip shop in Drumnadrochit is crap. West of Loch Ness are some of the best walks in Scotland but Loch Ness is dullsville. Hence Nessie was made up by the tourist board.

Bigfoot - very possibly a folk memory of another hominid species. Ditto the Australian bunyip. There’s quite an interesting book called ‘the edge of memory’ Which looks at just how far back oral tradition goes in some societies (basically 10,000 years.) this shouldn’t be a surprise- many civilisations have flood myths and there were insane floods thousands of years back. We are finding new hominids all the time, like the tiny ones on Flores. It’s not impossible that folk memory persists.

Science does occasionally pull some random mid sized mammal out of a remote forest somewhere, I can well believe there are things we haven’t found yet. Look at stuff that was thought to be extinct like the Takahe in NZ.

Off down a cryptid rabbit hole now!

Edited to add: in the sea, frankly anything could be there

 

[Kaede Did Nothing Wrong]

Edited to add: in the sea, frankly anything could be there

it's not a blank canvas for human imagination. marine biology can tell us what ecosystems exist, where they exist, the variety and amount of life they support, and requisite physiology that adapts animals to those conditions. cryptid people never discover anything ever because they only care about stories and not the natural realities of what's possible.

 

[UntimelyDhelmise]

The way I see it, most terrestrial cryptids are either straight up bullshit or mistaken for legitimate, already existing animals. But I would wager that surely there have been at least a couple instances where, many years ago, people have come across unknown creatures before modern recording technology was up to speed/existed at all/prevalent enough for the average Joe to own one. Though by now those creatures have no doubt long gone extinct before modern science could clarify the truth.

However, seagoing cryptids are a whole different can of worms. The ocean is an extremely vast, largely unexplored place, especially the deep sea (we have more knowledge about the moon than we do the endless abyssal plains). Every deep sea dive yields new discoveries, new species, new understanding about the world deep below. There's no telling what strange and unimaginable animals lurk within the crushing depths.

 

[Intelligent Calcium]

It's a shame this topic is so dead, since cryptids are one of those lolcow-adjacent topics.

Dogman's become pretty interesting to me, in the sense that it started out as a self-declared radio prank but through sheer persistence it has become a "legitimate" cryptid (basically canine Bigfoot), complete with boomers retelling their stories on call-in shows. It puts other cryptids into perspective, apparently all you need is time and a steady trickle of material to create one. Plus, in Dogman's case, there's a lot of cross-pollination with native myths, werewolf legends (and the southern Rougarou) and the Bray Road Beast (which I think has been pretty much absorbed into the whole Dogman thing).

 

[Caustic Gelatin]

I believe in bigfoot and I like to think he believes in me to.