Cyberpunk 2077 Grieving Thread

[Car Won't Crank]

Sarif was excellent as an out of touch executive type, I have dealt with executives who sound precisely like he did, dude was spot on in his delivery. The actor who replaced him for Mankind Divided did not do half as good a job.

And that's why Cyberpunk 2077 will never be even half the game Deus Ex HR is. Unlike HR, on top of great world building where the scifi elements are the front and center of the game that drive the plot, the scifi elements in Cyberpunk 2077 are there just cause. As @Male Idiot was saying a few posts above, you can remove all the scifi stuff and still be left with the same Fallout GTA5 type game. There's probably a literary term that describes this.

 

[God of Nothing]

And that's why Cyberpunk 2077 will never be even half the game Deus Ex HR is. Unlike HR, on top of great world building where the scifi elements are the front and center of the game that drive the plot, the scifi elements in Cyberpunk 2077 are there just cause. As @Male Idiot was saying a few posts above, you can remove all the scifi stuff and still be left with the same Fallout GTA5 type game. There's probably a literary term that describes this.

Cyberpunk sci-fi as window dressing.

 

[robobobo]

Yeah, Cyberpunk has the chip as a macguffin, but it doesn't really bother asking questions about the implications of humanity, uploading/downloading people, etc. The punkishness is all skin-deep. An argument could be made that they were leaning into the superficiality of the dark future, making a clever meta statement on how style matters more than substance, but I honestly doubt they were that smart.

 

[God of Nothing]

Yeah, Cyberpunk has the chip as a macguffin, but it doesn't really bother asking questions about the implications of humanity, uploading/downloading people, etc. The punkishness is all skin-deep. An argument could be made that they were leaning into the superficiality of the dark future, making a clever meta statement on how style matters more than substance, but I honestly doubt they were that smart.

Shadowrun does that better, despite having tolkien races and dragons hanging around. Actually, it uses those to make a point about humanity. We will fight over differences, regardless of how minor. While many despise the dragons, the dragons despise each other especially, mirroring humanity's own hatred for itself. Everything is progressing beyond anyone's control regardless, magically and scientifically. No one can keep up. The best anyone can do is tough it out. Possibility for change exists but it requires extreme action. You can't change the system if you work within it, afterall.

Now I can't decide whether I want to play Dragonfall or Hong Kong again.

 

[not william stenchever]

I found this recently and thought it was pretty neat.

 

[Snekposter]

Yeah, Cyberpunk has the chip as a macguffin, but it doesn't really bother asking questions about the implications of humanity, uploading/downloading people, etc. The punkishness is all skin-deep. An argument could be made that they were leaning into the superficiality of the dark future, making a clever meta statement on how style matters more than substance, but I honestly doubt they were that smart.

It makes the argument of CORPORATIONS BAD, which is shockingly non-controversial in this day and age, unlike say... the early 1990's when they were our saviors.

Of course, the alternative to the corporations it gives us is... a drugged-up, washed-out, misanthropic shithead of a failed rebellious rocker who thinks the body count of nuking a city center is acceptable casualties.

Oh, and 6th Street I guess, but those guys are so ridiculous they've gone beyond caricature into LARP.

 

[1988 prick]

Of course, the alternative to the corporations it gives us is... a drugged-up, washed-out, misanthropic shithead of a failed rebellious rocker who thinks the body count of nuking a city center is acceptable casualties.

"Mom! I want an anti-corpo terrorist rockstar!"
mom: " We already have an anti-corpo terrorist rockstar at home"

Anti-corpo Terrorist Rockstar at home:

 

[God of Nothing]

Of course, the alternative to the corporations it gives us is... a drugged-up, washed-out, misanthropic shithead of a failed rebellious rocker who thinks the body count of nuking a city center is acceptable casualties.

they weren't supposed to be there
obviously those thousands of people could've and should've evacuated in time to avoid a nuke from turning them into radioactive shadows

 

[madethistocomment]

Chingado madre Jackie's voice acting has to be one of the best in the game. The marketing for Keanu was hot trash for such a mediocre portrayal of a character. His forcefulness as some badass anti corpo mercenary felt so fake. Even David Sarif from Deus Ex HR has more charisma than Silverhand.

Jackie was hands down the best character of the whole game imo. On one hand that made his death all the more impactful for me, but at the same time it really sucked ass that the Best Boy was gone for the rest of the game. Aside from that ghoulish construct Arasaka can make of him if they get their hands on his corpse, but honestly, that's worse than him just being dead.

 

[Male Idiot]

Its not a bad game. It just got rewritten badly for Neo and got hyped (partly becasue they overpromised) like hell.

I thought the original creator's intent was about the superficiality and bleakness of a corpocrat future. The old black guy right? So the polacks just went with it, but didn't invent it.

Y'all know the worst of it? They are propably being optimistic.

A corporate future with this type of tech would be :
-Wake up.
-Watch 10 ads to unlock Legs.exe. Do the same for Arms.exe You can skip this with a microtransaction.
-Whenever you see something, adds pop up. Disabling them will cost you a premium plan.
-Use the bugmen ecocycle for work. Watch 10 more adds to make Legs.exe pedal harder.
-Go to work and get an electric shock whenever you spend too much time taking a shit.
-Pedal home.
-Use microtransactions to unlock your TV for the evening and order your Miracle Plant Meat Burger and Bug-Soy Latte.
-Watch 69 pornhub adds if you want to open Dick.exe and use Jackoff.bat.
-You can't sleep until you have watched 100 more ads and bought at least one Funk Pop.

You wanted a plasma cannon arm and powerfist? Too bad.
You wanted cyborg tattoos and guns everywhere? Too bad.
You want a mechanical hand that is sandproof? Too bad.

You will get a fake fish skin cell tranny frontal asshole if you want, but it will cost ...well it won't be an arm, something shorter.

 

[1988 prick]

Ok maybe im confused, but what makes having a contest bad? 3000 bucks, 200 dollar software, and a statue is more than 90% of contests give out for sometimes more work. I dont understand the hateful response people have to contests like this, you make 1 song, and if you win you get a lot of shit and that song in game along with 11-14 other people, not a bad deal in my opinion.

The problem is in the perspective of the contestants.
You have to submit an original song, which can take 2-4 weeks depending on spare time and experience and pray that you are the 1% that wins.
As an investment it is already a bad deal as you are leaving it to pure chance.
As you are 99% more likely to just be left with nothing in return.

Now compare it with making a remix to “Fade Away” or “Chippin in”
May take as much or less effort and you still gain some exposure just from the title themselves.

You won’t be getting any of the prizes listed but at least it is better than the 99% that are left empty handed.

 

[Serbian Peacekeepers]

The problem is in the perspective of the contestants.
You have to submit an original song, which can take 2-4 weeks depending on spare time and experience and pray that you are the 1% that wins.
As an investment it is already a bad deal as you are leaving it to pure chance.
As you are 99% more likely to just be left with nothing in return.

Now compare it with making a remix to “Fade Away” or “Chippin in”
May take as much or less effort and you still gain some exposure just from the title themselves.

You won’t be getting any of the prizes listed but at least it is better than the 99% that are left empty handed.

Ok, but thats what a contest is? Thats what a contest has always been.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

The problem is in the perspective of the contestants.
You have to submit an original song, which can take 2-4 weeks depending on spare time and experience and pray that you are the 1% that wins.
As an investment it is already a bad deal as you are leaving it to pure chance.
As you are 99% more likely to just be left with nothing in return.

Now compare it with making a remix to “Fade Away” or “Chippin in”
May take as much or less effort and you still gain some exposure just from the title themselves.

You won’t be getting any of the prizes listed but at least it is better than the 99% that are left empty handed.

consider it a "for fun" side project for independent musicians. even if you dont win, you at least tried to make a track that fit the world of the cyberpunks. if you do tho, thats at least a bit of exposure for you

 

[1988 prick]

Ok, but thats what a contest is? Thats what a contest has always been.

Yes that is what a contest is, I ain't saying it isn't.
my point is they should've put more consideration into it as to seem fair or forgiving towards their efforts, not to mention something worth considering on the side of the contestant.
like don't just have a prize that only 1% can get but also have a secondary prize that maybe 5-10% of contestants will get.
a good move is including Honorable Mentions or adding a 2nd Tier prize with just the 200$ software itself, they won't be included in the radio or have the rest of the goodies but at least their song was a tough enough choice that would at least deserve some recognition or reward.

consider it a "for fun" side project for independent musicians. even if you dont win, you at least tried to make a track that fit the world of the cyberpunks. if you do tho, thats at least a bit of exposure for you

optimistic but maybe.

 

[Serbian Peacekeepers]

Yes that is what a contest is, I ain't saying it isn't.
my point is they should've put more consideration into it as to seem fair or forgiving towards their efforts, not to mention something worth considering on the side of the contestant.
like don't just have a prize that only 1% can get but also have a secondary prize that maybe 5-10% of contestants will get.
a good move is including Honorable Mentions or adding a 2nd Tier prize with just the 200$ software itself, they won't be included in the radio or have the rest of the goodies but at least their song was a tough enough choice that would at least deserve some recognition or reward.

I dont know what to tell ya man, i feel like you are grasping at straws to find something wrong with the contest. 12-15 people get the prize, plus their song in game with their name and everything, Sure it would suck for the people that dont win but it isnt like cdpr can just give out free shit to everyone who enters. Its a pretty inoffensive contest imo, so unless the terms are shit and they own every song entered into the contest and can do whatever with them without the creators permission, i dont think there's anything to be upset at.

 

[1988 prick]

I dont know what to tell ya man, i feel like you are grasping at straws to find something wrong with the contest. 12-15 people get the prize, plus their song in game with their name and everything, Sure it would suck for the people that dont win but it isnt like cdpr can just give out free shit to everyone who enters. Its a pretty inoffensive contest imo, so unless the terms are shit and they own every song entered into the contest and can do whatever with them without the creators permission, i dont think there's anything to be upset at.

Read again what I previously said, I am not asking that every participant should get free shit heck I am not even fucking bitching about the quality of the prize.
I am just saying that they should've put more thought on the contest. cuz people can't shit out tunes like it's another tuesday as it actually takes time and effort, a 2nd tier prize or a simple honorable mention might get people to bitch less.

 

[ZMOT]

Now I can't decide whether I want to play Dragonfall or Hong Kong again.

read the novels? nuke city kinda spoiled the first game for me (although universal brotherhood being hinky is a recurring theme). it's also one I remember the most, for reasons that would spoil it.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

read the novels? nuke city kinda spoiled the first game for me (although universal brotherhood being hinky is a recurring theme). it's also one I remember the most, for reasons that would spoil it.

I got pissed off at Shadowrun.

They promised an all new story, something cool.

Come out of the tutorial, see the Universal Brotherhood sign.

"Oh, fuck me."

Yup, it's the 1989 fucking module.

Lying cocksuckers.

 

[ZMOT]

They promised an all new story, something cool.

did they tho? never heard that myself.
didn't really expect them to either, first games usually keeps it simple to be more accessible etc., you know what I mean.

most people also agree the first one is the weakest of the three, dragonfall is pretty "new" afaik (and I don't think you burgers got the kraut novels, not sure about splats). the setting alone should be something different.
hong kong isn't far behind apparently, but that's still in my backlog of shame...

 

[popnloch ness monster]

first was the best of nu-shadowrun, the most mercenary and to the point
others were exercises in gay communism