Cyberpunk 2077 Grieving Thread

[StacticShock]

Witcher 4 will be a disaster, and the woke virus will be the least of it's worries.

don't forget, it's coming out of your taxes

It's ironic, the stated reason behind ditching REDengine was to no longer carry the technical debt of having to maintain their own engine yet they'll massive technical expertise to even attempt tardwrangling UE5 into place. The ease of aquiring "pre-trained" people familiar with UE5 will not be worth it.

it's kind of a similar situation to bungo and destiny 2, it's why they vaulted content saying that the engine is such a piece of shit that it takes hours to do anything on it but beancounters wouldn't arse themselves telling the suits to hire programmers and fix the enigne... and now they are bleeding money because of it.

They've said that they're developing their own "fork" of UE5 specifically for W4 and future games so hopefully it doesn't run quite as bad as straight out of the box UE5 that everyone else uses.

the problem with UE5 is what timmy tencent said to be honest in which you have to develop your game for your minimum specs and upgrade from there but good luck getting that on the heads of the suits and the general UE5 expert like ranjesh and pooftah especially since they can look for tutorials on youtube to make the game friendly with DLSS/FSR, you are right however as modding support will be absolute shit because UE has been hating on mods since UE4 and it's only getting worse and worse.

 

[Rockzo]

I just finished an absurdly long playthrough of this and I wanted to give my thoughts.
Now I did play this on the disastrous 1.0 launch but I got hit by the save bug that was going around. So I sat and waited and waited and saw Fleek's video on this again and through it was a good time to try. And he was right.
To cut it short because alot of people in the thread probably already know. 2077 for me is the tipping point of CDPR, where the company gets too big and loses the talent and vision that made their earlier games great. Phantom Liberty was a forced movie where you as the player have no say and since this is the most current thing they've released, all I can see the company being on is a downward trajectory in the quality of their games.
This game feels like a facsimile of the 2013 trailer we should have gotten. This is the fake that was swapped out and as a result somewhere the real game is out there in another timeline.

I did play modded with Welcome to Night City and want to list something. I didn't like alot of the radio stations because the music isn't to my taste. However, 93.7 Outrun Waves is an Argentinian group dedicated to Synthwave music that made 2 hours of music pulled from Soundcloud artists in their community. There's an entire rip of the station on youtube. This really did help me as I was traveling around Night City.

 

[Andy Soying Out]

Keanu Reeves wants to find a way to play Cyberpunk 2077's Johnny Silverhand again, so series creator Mike Pondsmith quips "I have ways to do that, Keanu, contact me"​

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Keanu Reeves has been open about wanting to come back to the series as Cyberpunk 2077's (only sometimes) loveable rockstar/corporate resistance fighter, despite Johnny Silverhand already being long dead by the time the first game's events kick off. And, now, the series' creator has said he has "ways to do that" - probably not one involving a parasitic neuro chip, this time.

In a stream hosted by CD Projekt Red featuring the TTRP Cyberpunk creator Mike Pondsmith, the series maestro begun gushing about the game's celebrity actors, and he's just as into the idea of Silverhand returning to the ongoing story as Keanu himself is.


"Not that long ago, I saw that Keanu would like to find a way to come back from the dead and play Johnny again," he said. "I have ways to do that, Keanu, contact me."

Silverhand's return becomes a bit tricky considering, again, he's already been physically dead for decades, and the multiple endings of Cyberpunk 2077 makes his fate even murkier. Perhaps he's still kicking around beyond the Blackwall as an AI, but that risks canonizing an ending that was previously down to player choice.

"Let me get this straight. You got Keanu Reeves, then you get Idris Elba," Pondsmith added before offering another job out to another actor. "What's next?Scarlet Johansson?... Scarlet, you know, I have roles for you. You can do anything."

"But, seriously, two things hit me. One, they worked really well for the characters. Two, they were people, actors, who wanted to play those characters so they immersed themselves in it," he said, which probably explains why he's so open to Keanu coming back in Cyberpunk 2, currently in development.

Cyberpunk 2 multiplayer seems all but confirmed as CD Projekt Red looks to hire an engineer to build "high-performance online experiences" and "optimize multiplayer systems"

Somehow, Johnny Silverhand returned...

 

[harbringer883]

Keanu Reeves wants to find a way to play Cyberpunk 2077's Johnny Silverhand again, so series creator Mike Pondsmith quips "I have ways to do that, Keanu, contact me"​

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Somehow, Johnny Silverhand returned...

I mean Arasaka could have made more than one copy of Johnny's consciousness? Unless their idea of the canon ending of 2077 being the one where Johnny takes over V's body.

Speaking of which, what ending do you guys like the most? I'm torn between the Panam ending or the coma ending. Personally, I like the idea of riding off into the sunset with Panam and having 6 months left to live but I also don't mind the one where V gets cured and gets to start his life again. In my mind after that ending, he gets a job with the FIA (and my theory is that he spent those 2 years in the coma being a agent for the FIA) and maybe reconnects with Panam after.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

Speaking of which, what ending do you guys like the most? I'm torn between the Panam ending or the coma ending. Personally, I like the idea of riding off into the sunset with Panam and having 6 months left to live but I also don't mind the one where V gets cured and gets to start his life again. In my mind after that ending, he gets a job with the FIA (and my theory is that he spent those 2 years in the coma being a agent for the FIA) and maybe reconnects with Panam after.

Well, i remember CDP saying about Panam's VA not returning in PL and using Mitch as the scapegoat of her call. Take as your guess.
My fav ending is the secret one. Suicide can be viable if you really don't want travelling into the other endings and make a day, but not the 2nd.
The 2nd fav is the PL one. "Begin again" is a nice motto.

 

[harbringer883]

The 2nd fav is the PL one. "Begin again" is a nice motto.

Yeah, I agree. V getting a fresh start at life is the real dealbreaker for me.

 

[Rabo 2: Electric Boogaloo]

I dunno, the Tower ending is just so grim. Oh yeah great, V gets to live but they make sure V has absolute nothing left to live for. Everybody moved on or hate V and everything got worse. Viktor sold out. Yorinobu's plans went on unimpeded. V is a complete nobody with zero hopes of ever being somebody. It was like, utterly spiritually crushing to go through.

I'd rather have a couple of months with Panam.

 

[Rick The Stick]

V is a complete nobody with zero hopes of ever being somebody. It was like, utterly spiritually crushing to go through.

Welcome to Night City. It chewed you up and spat you out like it does to everyone.

 

[Cyberpunk Meta]

I saw earlier in this thread mentions Claire and the unrealistic portrayals of Haitians being we wuz hackuhz n shiee.

Now as a reader of many cyberpunk books (chiefly William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, Richard K. Morgan, & Walter Jon Williams, being my favorite), CDPR modeled the Voodoo Boys after some African tech cult in Gibson’s second novel Count Zero (a lot of Gibson’s novels were used by CDPR in game as inspiration actually). In game they’re actually a small faction of mystics who embrace cyberspace as their sort of way to manifest voodoo illusions or whatever.

As for Claire, obviously troons will exist in a cyberpunk dystopia given how fucked everything is. However one thing that really bothers me about Claire is not how poorly written the arc was. But rather why the troon flag exists. After all the troon flag was invented in 1999, and Cyberpunk 2077 takes place in an alternate timeline that clearly diverged from our own in 1990. America collapses and Europe/Japan rises. The Soviet Union reforms to a non communist economic zone & everything falls to shit globally. The troon flag is just bothersome and lore breaking too.

It’s clear Claire was included to check off some DEI agenda list. At least I get to betray that freak and I do on every playthrough.

 

[Asian tech support]

As for Claire, obviously troons will exist in a cyberpunk dystopia given how fucked everything is. However one thing that really bothers me about Claire is not how poorly written the arc was. But rather why the troon flag exists. After all the troon flag was invented in 1999, and Cyberpunk 2077 takes place in an alternate timeline that clearly diverged from our own in 1990. America collapses and Europe/Japan rises. The Soviet Union reforms to a non communist economic zone & everything falls to shit globally. The troon flag is just bothersome and lore breaking too.

It’s clear Claire was included to check off some DEI agenda list. At least I get to betray that freak and I do on every playthrough.

Claire is in the same boat as the Hogwarts Legacy tranny where if they look like a real woman, it completely invalidates the intention behind including them in the first place. There's actually a really funny observation to be made when it comes to troons in the media where they must look like a gremlin to be absolutely certain the audience knows it's a fucking troon as that's the entire point.

 

[Slav Power]

I played the Claire mission with the best gameplay outcome which is the free Toretto Quadra, and I have a feeling like the entire quest line was written by the troon voicing Claire. The corpo is 100% right, Claire is retarded because he constantly kills other people in these races, but when it was his husband then it was suddenly PERSONAL and he had to get his REVENGE at all costs, and in the confrontation he was completely irrational. Like, it's borderline chudcoded with how perfectly it represents troons as these emotional, short fused monsters that will gladly murder people for shit they do to others themselves.

That's why I feel like it was all written by the troon, it was his power fantasy put into the game and no one at any point thought that maybe it's a bad look for troons with how well it plays in the stereotypes. Would also explain why it's such a sloppy quest line.

By the way, fun fact: while digging in the game files to make sure the troon removal mod covers everything I found that CDPR did add a "_censored" texture that does exactly what the evil banned mod does: turning the troon flag pattern into a blank texture. Since, you know, the entire premise of the game is fuck corpos, never trust corpos, total corpo death, nuke corpos, and Pondsmith has written about how America has fallen due to this progressive BS back in 1990 in the guidebooks, but CDPR really wants those Chinese and Saudi bucks so let's add a special texture toggle for them to not upset them and be able to sell the game there.

 

[Snekposter]

I played the Claire mission with the best gameplay outcome which is the free Toretto Quadra, and I have a feeling like the entire quest line was written by the troon voicing Claire. The corpo is 100% right, Claire is retarded because he constantly kills other people in these races, but when it was his husband then it was suddenly PERSONAL and he had to get his REVENGE at all costs, and in the confrontation he was completely irrational. Like, it's borderline chudcoded with how perfectly it represents troons as these emotional, short fused monsters that will gladly murder people for shit they do to others themselves.

That's why I feel like it was all written by the troon, it was his power fantasy put into the game and no one at any point thought that maybe it's a bad look for troons with how well it plays in the stereotypes. Would also explain why it's such a sloppy quest line.

By the way, fun fact: while digging in the game files to make sure the troon removal mod covers everything I found that CDPR did add a "_censored" texture that does exactly what the evil banned mod does: turning the troon flag pattern into a blank texture. Since, you know, the entire premise of the game is fuck corpos, never trust corpos, total corpo death, nuke corpos, and Pondsmith has written about how America has fallen due to this progressive BS back in 1990 in the guidebooks, but CDPR really wants those Chinese and Saudi bucks so let's add a special texture toggle for them to not upset them and be able to sell the game there.

All that banned mod did was tick the in-game flag that replaces the flag texture with the _censored blank version. The Spider-Man mod that kicked everything off also did exactly that.

 

[Slav Power]

All that banned mod did was tick the in-game flag that replaces the flag texture with the _censored blank version.

I downloaded it from BasedMods and checked myself. It didn't do that, it was replacing the standard texture. Still, CDPR was the one that put the _censored texture in the game files so you know that they have a "more money" censorship switch.

 

[Snekposter]

I downloaded it from BasedMods and checked myself. It didn't do that, it was replacing the standard texture. Still, CDPR was the one that put the _censored texture in the game files so you know that they have a "more money" censorship switch.

Yeah, when some of the source got leaked before release the guys found a code switch that did exactly what you mentioned.

 

[Problematic User Forever]

I downloaded it from BasedMods and checked myself. It didn't do that, it was replacing the standard texture. Still, CDPR was the one that put the _censored texture in the game files so you know that they have a "more money" censorship switch.

Yeah it was censored for the arabs. We knew this since it was released.

 

[Maker's Mark]

The fact that this game is about to be five years old next month scares the shit out of me. Feels like yesterday I was playing it on my brand new PS5 and having it crash on me every two hours.

 

[ihaveelbows]

I dunno, the Tower ending is just so grim. Oh yeah great, V gets to live but they make sure V has absolute nothing left to live for. Everybody moved on or hate V and everything got worse. Viktor sold out. Yorinobu's plans went on unimpeded. V is a complete nobody with zero hopes of ever being somebody. It was like, utterly spiritually crushing to go through.

I'd rather have a couple of months with Panam.

Grim but that's the ultimate ending. Really cements the futility of being V, taken over by Silverhands identity and living in a world that cares more about corporate progress.

It's honestly one of the better written 'American' stories and beautifully done. Very similar to Grapes of Wrath if you're into John Steinbeck.

 

[Cyberpunk Meta]

Grim but that's the ultimate ending. Really cements the futility of being V, taken over by Silverhands identity and living in a world that cares more about corporate progress.

It's honestly one of the better written 'American' stories and beautifully done. Very similar to Grapes of Wrath if you're into John Steinbeck.

While the universe itself is American (created by Mike Pondsmith and his guys at R Talsorian games), 2077 itself was written by Polish people, and the same minds behind the Witcher 3.

Poles like many Eastern Europeans are pretty melancholic and write really emotionally deep games. Cyberpunk to me personally was a pretty layered game. Some moments were truly sad (Johnny’s past fuckups, Evelyn Parker dying, the death of Jackie Welles after the failed heist, or Songbird’s predicament) while other moments are funny/memorable. My favorite arc was always the Nomad one when we get to meet Panam and her clan, and how we manage to play a role in helping her resolve some family issues. Phantom Liberty is my second favorite arc, because I love Dogtown and how fucked it looks. It’s a kind of ugly that’s also beautiful in a weird way. That’s the common motif in 2077; what is ugly can simultaneously be beautiful or fascinating at the same time. It’s weird how this game does it so well, at least the DLC did.

Cyberpunk is an American tale written by Poles, and I gotta say it: the Poles did a good job at making a damn good dystopian story. It tackled themes of organized crime, religiosity in a high tech society, geopolitics, corporate conspiracy, family drama, music industry, journalism, car culture, and life in general pretty well, even if it felt surface level at some parts. It keeps me coming back to the game because the world in game is immaculate & the characters are mostly solid (besides Claire, fuck that freak).

“A Happy Ending? For folks like us? Wrong city, wrong people.”

-Johnny Silverhand

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

I dunno, the Tower ending is just so grim. Oh yeah great, V gets to live but they make sure V has absolute nothing left to live for. Everybody moved on or hate V and everything got worse. Viktor sold out. Yorinobu's plans went on unimpeded. V is a complete nobody with zero hopes of ever being somebody. It was like, utterly spiritually crushing to go through.

I'd rather have a couple of months with Panam.

"Mr. V, a pleasure. Mind if I ask you something right off the bangle?

Would you rather live in peace as Mr. Nobody, die ripe, old and smelling slightly of urine, or go down for all times in a blaze of glory, smelling near like posies, without seeing your thirtieth?"

That's the first question you get asked on your first big job, and it's a question that gets repeated a lot throughout the entire game. Is it better to live like a normal person without anyone knowing your name or die in a blaze of glory?

Johnny Silverhand died in a blaze of glory and his name is probably going to be remembered forever, but ultimately he was a fuckup that ruined the lives of the people he cared about and everything he thought he was fighting for turned to shit and meant nothing. Alt's still gone, Johnny's still dead and Arasaka just built another tower.

Jackie died on the op that led to the death of the Emperor of Japan, he'll probably be remembered forever too. But what's that worth to V? Or his family? Or Misty?

The moral of the story;

Chasing glory in a place like California Night City just leads to broken dreams and dead friends and maybe a really famous death if you're lucky.

Being a nobody ain't so bad. Everyone else seems to live with it just fine.

 

[Snekposter]

While the universe itself is American (created by Mike Pondsmith and his guys at R Talsorian games), 2077 itself was written by Polish people, and the same minds behind the Witcher 3.

Poles like many Eastern Europeans are pretty melancholic and write really emotionally deep games. Cyberpunk to me personally was a pretty layered game. Some moments were truly sad (Johnny’s past fuckups, Evelyn Parker dying, the death of Jackie Welles after the failed heist, or Songbird’s predicament) while other moments are funny/memorable. My favorite arc was always the Nomad one when we get to meet Panam and her clan, and how we manage to play a role in helping her resolve some family issues. Phantom Liberty is my second favorite arc, because I love Dogtown and how fucked it looks. It’s a kind of ugly that’s also beautiful in a weird way. That’s the common motif in 2077; what is ugly can simultaneously be beautiful or fascinating at the same time. It’s weird how this game does it so well, at least the DLC did.

Cyberpunk is an American tale written by Poles, and I gotta say it: the Poles did a good job at making a damn good dystopian story. It tackled themes of organized crime, religiosity in a high tech society, geopolitics, corporate conspiracy, family drama, music industry, journalism, car culture, and life in general pretty well, even if it felt surface level at some parts. It keeps me coming back to the game because the world in game is immaculate & the characters are mostly solid (besides Claire, fuck that freak).

“A Happy Ending? For folks like us? Wrong city, wrong people.”

-Johnny Silverhand

Its a common theme with Euros. They nail the aesthetic but gameplay tends to struggle. Necromunda: Hired Gun and the Deathwing FPS both had excellently grimdark game design, even if the gameplay for both was generic at best.

See also: EYE Divine Cybermancy.