Cyberpunk 2077 Grieving Thread

[ND 719]

CDPR has built up autist gamer good will. It'll take a decade of straight disasters while pandering to their new captive Bioware audience before they start to lose it. I'd be surprised if they're capable of a complete disaster yet.

I don't think it will take that long. Bioware ruined all it's good will in 2 years with dragon age 2 in 2011 and Mass Effect 3 one year later despite it being a fan favorite before that.

I guess CDPR's a special case. I remember when Yong had that interview with Jason Schreier over Fallout 76 (IIRC), specifically him reeling back in disbelief at something stupid Jason said while trying to defend Bethesda. His stance on the Epic Games store also seems to be pretty pro-consumer when he covered the DARQ story, so I'd chalk this up to Yong being partial to Cyberpunk 2077 and CDPR in particular. He's had that cyberpunk waifu statue in the background of his video for what feels like a good long while.

With CDPR being the owner of a consumer-friendly digital storefront like GOG and a successful AAA franchise like The Witcher, I'm sure folks like Yong and his audience would be devoted to such a positive industry darling for the example they set, and they see this issue as a misunderstood bump on the road. The issues with the impressions of the game from E3 to now is the latest wrinkle starting to show.

Difference being neither Bethesda or Epic Games invited Yong into exclusive back stage demos or interviews. By criticizing EGS and FO76 he only had views, subscribers and patrons to gain since he was virtually a nobody at the time and people ate those type of videos up like candy. With CDPR though he actually has a lot to lose by talking about them negatively since he is also probably aware that part of his audience are die hard CDPR fans.
Lets not forget about how it took one tweet by CDPR for Yong to back peddle on his video about poor work conditions in the studio way before that.

This isn't relevant but i find it funny that in his earlier videos he would say " Make sure to support me on patreon to keep me free of corporate influence" but has since completely phased out that phrase.

 

[HeyYou]

Having more character creation choices and freedom is good unless trans people are happy about it, then its "SJW pandering".

You're not fooling anyone, Ashy, you were probably bitching about the lack of tranny options and that poster.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

I don't think it will take that long. Bioware ruined all it's good will in 2 years with dragon age 2 in 2011 and Mass Effect 3 one year later despite it being a fan favorite before that.

I disagree. ME3 was still a huge success and DAI and Andromeda both had great day 1 sales and pre-orders. Gamers are stupid and have poor impulse control. They have to be burned many times before they learn not to touch the stove.

 

[Oddjob OTP]

It's not what he had in mind.

I agree that his books don't really go into complete "gender is a construct" and gender neutral pronouns territory but gender in Gibson's books is clearly less important since the most physically dangerous character in the Sprawl trilogy portrayed is almost certainly Molly who is a "razorgirl" with cybernetically enhanced reflexes and 4 inch finger blades. I'm under the impression that much of the transgenderism and furfaggotry is in the old Cyberpunk tabletop editions though.

 

[Fagnacious D]

Difference being neither Bethesda or Epic Games invited Yong into exclusive back stage demos or interviews.

Yes but, Bethesda did get him a Sperg Helmet.

 

[Marissa Moira]

If CDPR fucks this up they lose the crown of Top Western Dev which leaves it to Larian or one of the Sleeper Sperg Cells to keep RPG systems properly autistic and working.

I see from new info and shots shown of the game that the character creator can allow a Motoko and a Seven of Nine so I remain optimistic that the devs know their main audience.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

I'm skeptical myself but surely there's more to making an RPG than big tiddy anime waifus?

 

[Recoil]

I agree that his books don't really go into complete "gender is a construct" and gender neutral pronouns territory but gender in Gibson's books is clearly less important since the most physically dangerous character in the Sprawl trilogy portrayed is almost certainly Molly who is a "razorgirl" with cybernetically enhanced reflexes and 4 inch finger blades. I'm under the impression that much of the transgenderism and furfaggotry is in the old Cyberpunk tabletop editions though.

I don't know how else to say this, but woke trannies and furfags are antithetical to Cyberpunk in practice.
In theory, they're probably all over the place - but you'd never hear about it or dwell on it. Gender identity discussion has no place in a world where identity itself has become completely commodified and meaningless (or otherwise obsolete).

What I take away from the OG cyberpunk aesthetic was that it was a response to all the corniness in science fiction at the time. Everything was buck rodgers back then. Writers like Sterling and Gibson looked at scifi and saw bullshit like L. Ron Hubbard, corny shit that was covered in the patina of the 1950s. They rejected that tradition. That's where the 'punk' in cyberpunk comes from - it's a response to and rejection of existing tropes and standards. The goal with something like Neuromancer was not to predict the future or lay out some grand truth about the arc of human evolution (that's all indirectly accomplished). The idea was to make scifi that successfully hit contemporary readers like pulp scifi must've hit readers in the 30s.

Cyberpunk was chasing the feeling of horrified amazement that you get from experiencing good, plausible scifi.

LGB issues? Sure, Gibson predicted married lesbian couples having their DNA spliced to create children without the need for a male donor 1n 1983. Shit like that is arguably where socjus issues fit into the genre. They fit in cleanly, no hubbub, no big messages, this is just what some people are and they can be that, in this world.

 

[Urban Superstition]

You've got to be bending over backwards if you think a world where you can replace your arms with machine guns and directly connect your body to a computer to interface with it is perfectly feasible, yet at the same time think it's going too far when the ability to change what kind of junk you're packing is brought up.

 

[Marissa Moira]

You've got to be bending over backwards if you think a world where you can replace your arms with machine guns and directly connect your body to a computer to interface with it is perfectly feasible, yet at the same time think it's going too far when the ability to change what kind of junk you're packing is brought up.

I want a fucking Telescoping Dick Cannon

 

[HeyYou]

You've got to be bending over backwards if you think a world where you can replace your arms with machine guns and directly connect your body to a computer to interface with it is perfectly feasible, yet at the same time think it's going too far when the ability to change what kind of junk you're packing is brought up.

That's fine, but then trans people wouldn't fit the modern view of them and would seem completely alien. That's what they have to nail, and it's walking on eggshells, because trans people would absolutely get pissy if attention is drawn to the fact that genitals can be changed at will without the experience of dysphoria and getting a dick is commodified.

 

[ND 719]

The thing about people that write cyberpunk is that generally speaking they aren't scientists and they aren't engineers so inevitably they will end up with a lot of "fucking magic" type technology. While i can appreciate them, most of the cyberpunk classics are painfully outdated by now so i find it laughable when people ascribe any sort of predictive value to them, technological or social.

They're about as fictional as Tolkien if you ask me and that's perfectly fine. The world can be whatever the author wants. If the author wants tranny furries in their world then they can have them run a muck, but, to repeat myself, i feel this comes less from the author and more from external pressure and controversy.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

So like....are you by yourself? Do you get party members?

 

[ND 719]

So like....are you by yourself? Do you get party members?

Well they said in plenty of interviews (around the time the first gameplay video came out) that V will have several companions from which they can choose from so i assume you can bring at least one person with you. I don't know if that has changed though. I wouldn't be surprised if it did.

 

[Done]

Am I the only one who thinks everything except for the heavily scripted cinematic trailers looks awful and low quality?

%100 yes. The graphics look like complete ass in some places.

Everything they've shown seems way too controlled, we're in the last 6-7 months, and at this point in time we should expect to see longer-form hands-on gameplay from publications/influencers, instead we are getting behind-closed-doors demos, with people describing things to us (which lets your mind fill in the details and make things seem better than they are).

I also don't like how almost every announcement is about sorta-downgrades (the most recent example being the announcement that all cutscenes will be in 1st person).

There was a stage where I was super excited about this game, now I am way less excited.

 

[Marissa Moira]

I'm skeptical myself but surely there's more to making an RPG than big tiddy anime waifus?

More or less it's the canary in the coal mines type thing.

If they give in to internet faggots, the rest of the game is compromised.

 

[Friend computer]

And im off the hypetrain.

Cyberpunk 2077 Multiplayer Is Now Confirmed to Be in Development

With all the downgrades and stuff, combined with working on a multiplayer part instead of focusing on the maingame...
Yeah... I'm out, will probably just go out on the seas for this one.

 

[ND 719]

%100 yes. The graphics look like complete ass in some places.

Everything they've shown seems way too controlled, we're in the last 6-7 months, and at this point in time we should expect to see longer-form hands-on gameplay from publications/influencers, instead we are getting behind-closed-doors demos, with people describing things to us (which lets your mind fill in the details and make things seem better than they are).

I also don't like how almost every announcement is about sorta-downgrades (the most recent example being the announcement that all cutscenes will be in 1st person).

There was a stage where I was super excited about this game, now I am way less excited.

I both hate and love the fact that can't i help but read your posts with Bob Chipman's voice.

 

[Kriggle 'em]

%100 yes. The graphics look like complete ass in some places.

Everything they've shown seems way too controlled, we're in the last 6-7 months, and at this point in time we should expect to see longer-form hands-on gameplay from publications/influencers, instead we are getting behind-closed-doors demos, with people describing things to us (which lets your mind fill in the details and make things seem better than they are).

I also don't like how almost every announcement is about sorta-downgrades (the most recent example being the announcement that all cutscenes will be in 1st person).

There was a stage where I was super excited about this game, now I am way less excited.

I feel the same way, but after years (2013 was the first teaser) of "dont worry guys we definitely are making this to be the best thing this side of the universe" and more and more information showing behind the scenes issues, downgrades out the ass and botched demos with sub-par mechanics accompanied by "oh no dont worry we know what we are doing, we love you guys so much, here are some witcher codes ", it comes to no surprise that ex andromeda devs are working on this.

 

[Ruin]

Sad, I was really excited for this one but it looks like it's been badly pozzed by the worst of the east coast western AAA developer AIDS.