😵‍💫 Skitzocow Dan Cilley - autistic self-help guru/diet expert

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Kim appears to have finally ditched him. She apparently told him it's over for them and she did not let him in

Guess that's one way to kick an "addiction"-- to have the addiction literally kick you out. Hasta la gluten-free pasta, dickhead!

p.s. I think the term for someone (like us) who closely follows the antics of Dan Cilley should be "Cilliac"
 
Kim will probably forget what she said and take him back as her....boyfriend? acquaintance? abuser? in a few days. At least we'll get a break from those dying birds. Christ that's depressing.

Interesting how his big blowups with Kim always seem to occur after she gets paid on the 1st and she gives his money to live on for the month. Funny how that works huh?
 
I do see your point, but in all seriousness reality checks just simply do not work for Dan.

Come on! The man thinks he's going to save the world with fresh fruits and vegetables! Do you know how crazy that sounds? And you're supporting him in that belief with all the artwork you've drawn. He thinks he's higher than just about everyone in America. He especially thinks he's better than fat people.

Being smart about diet is one thing but Dan is OBSESSED with it that the actual obsession seemingly feeds his addictive habits with food. Not long ago he gave in and ate ice cream that Kim bought and not only did he eat his pint in one sitting but most of Kim's pint as well. It's clear Dan has an eating disorder and tends to eat huge amounts of food regardless of whether it's healthy or not (which is probably why Dan has gotten gout on numerous occasions).

You've supported him with his Law of Attraction nonsense. Dan has spent hours upon hours talking about his goals and reciting the Self-Confidence Formula and where has he gotten so far? Absolutely nowhere! And if he's not thinking that the Law of Attraction stuff is bullshit then he concludes he must not be eating the right diet and so on and so forth.

Dan's becoming increasingly at odds with the world. He recently mentioned that it's his conflict with Kim that gave him the drive to go out 'accosting' women. So, he does it out of anger. That's why he didn't care if he was being a public nuisance. As long as he was not technically breaking any laws he was happy.

The more he gets high dreaming up his fantasy world the more everyday frustrations will bring him down and make him angry and thus increase the chances of him losing control and doing something stupid.

All the pictures you've drawn make Dan out to be a great person, a super hero even. But Dan's not a great person, and not even Dan himself believes himself to be great. He's actually terribly insecure and relies on you to give him positive reinforcement. Dan isn't happy with himself a lot of the time. He has little self-esteem as all his goals are way beyond what he can achieve in the short term.

Sometimes I've kind of felt that Dan may have an awakening, particularly when he does his accosting, but he has never seemed to do it consistently enough for a long enough period of time. Sometimes he's had breaks from making videos and then when he starts again it seems he's done some reflecting but then eventually he builds up his dream world again.

Since you've teamed up with him I've never really felt Dan would have an awakening. There was that time where he was doing all he could to get laid though and accosting without a camera, but then the police arrested him and that was the end of that saga. Him getting laid would have at least been an accomplishment. Apart from that he's been entrenched in his fantasy world more than ever and I blame you for that.
 
Come on! The man thinks he's going to save the world with fresh fruits and vegetables! Do you know how crazy that sounds? And you're supporting him in that belief with all the artwork you've drawn. He thinks he's higher than just about everyone in America. He especially thinks he's better than fat people.

Being smart about diet is one thing but Dan is OBSESSED with it that the actual obsession seemingly feeds his addictive habits with food. Not long ago he gave in and ate ice cream that Kim bought and not only did he eat his pint in one sitting but most of Kim's pint as well. It's clear Dan has an eating disorder and tends to eat huge amounts of food regardless of whether it's healthy or not (which is probably why Dan has gotten gout on numerous occasions).

You've supported him with his Law of Attraction nonsense. Dan has spent hours upon hours talking about his goals and reciting the Self-Confidence Formula and where has he gotten so far? Absolutely nowhere! And if he's not thinking that the Law of Attraction stuff is bullshit then he concludes he must not be eating the right diet and so on and so forth.

Dan's becoming increasingly at odds with the world. He recently mentioned that it's his conflict with Kim that gave him the drive to go out 'accosting' women. So, he does it out of anger. That's why he didn't care if he was being a public nuisance. As long as he was not technically breaking any laws he was happy.

The more he gets high dreaming up his fantasy world the more everyday frustrations will bring him down and make him angry and thus increase the chances of him losing control and doing something stupid.

All the pictures you've drawn make Dan out to be a great person, a super hero even. But Dan's not a great person, and not even Dan himself believes himself to be great. He's actually terribly insecure and relies on you to give him positive reinforcement. Dan isn't happy with himself a lot of the time. He has little self-esteem as all his goals are way beyond what he can achieve in the short term.

Sometimes I've kind of felt that Dan may have an awakening, particularly when he does his accosting, but he has never seemed to do it consistently enough for a long enough period of time. Sometimes he's had breaks from making videos and then when he starts again it seems he's done some reflecting but then eventually he builds up his dream world again.

Since you've teamed up with him I've never really felt Dan would have an awakening. There was that time where he was doing all he could to get laid though and accosting without a camera, but then the police arrested him and that was the end of that saga. Him getting laid would have at least been an accomplishment. Apart from that he's been entrenched in his fantasy world more than ever and I blame you for that.

I can't really argue against that, mainly because I do agree with that you said. I didn't do it with any malicious intent though. Do you really think I should stop working with Dan? Do you think it would negatively impact him if I did stop, but help him in the long run? You see I'm not sure about that part. I think if I wasn't around he would still be doing the same thing he's been doing so far this decade. He has a court date today, and he may become homeless soon, so it seems like the days of Dan content may be limited anyway...
 
I do think Dan is stuck in a rut, clearly has some mental health issues he should be working on, but comparing him to a pedophile or rapist is going a bit far

Dan has admitted serveral times that he's forced himself on Kim, so it's less a comparison and more of an outright accusation.

But you know this already, Andrew and don't really give a shit.
 
I do very much enjoy and appreciate @Caterpie's art. But I think the lines between weening vs. enabling vs. "mil.king" can be extremely shaky which is why it's usually best to do none of the above.

There is sort of a bullshit KF ethos that gets floated sometimes about how we do whatever this is for the greater good or to reveal hypocrisy or help cows improve or whatever but a.) that's really not true and b.) I think most of the board floats between morbid curiosity and glad-that's-not-me type sympathy and outright malice, depending.

All that is to say I don't think anyone here is noble (except @NobleGreyHorse ?) but that engaging the subject is not noble either.
 
Do you really think I should stop working with Dan? Do you think it would negatively impact him if I did stop, but help him in the long run?

Hmm, I don't think it would matter that much to Dan if you stopped. Dan probably gets some amusement from your artwork but then it's business as usual for him. I think what Dan values most about you is that you're a yes man and that you're always in 'perfect harmony' with him.

One thing about your artwork is that it makes fun of Dan and points out the ridiculousness of him. I think Dan realizes that he can be amusing but despite all the humor it doesn't actually change the fact that Dan is deadly serious about the stuff that he says.

There is potentially something wrong mentally with Dan which makes it difficult for him to distinguish whether he's being trolled or not when the trolling is not fully overt. So, if your artwork is drawn with the intention of subtly pointing out to Dan that what he says is crazy then I don't think Dan has the capacity to pick up on that.
 
Andrew, by your own admission, you get amusement from working with Dan, your words. You understand that he has a mental disorder. You acknowledge all of his multiple previous admissions of rape fantasies, incest reveries, health savior delusions, and pedophilia pie-in-the-sky nightmares. You, sir, are nothing if not complicit in his eventual meltdown and future crimes, which will most likely happen if history of mental illness is to be trusted at all. Tread carefully, my friend. This is a dangerous situation you've put yourself in.
 
I can't really argue against that, mainly because I do agree with that you said. I didn't do it with any malicious intent though. Do you really think I should stop working with Dan? Do you think it would negatively impact him if I did stop, but help him in the long run? You see I'm not sure about that part. I think if I wasn't around he would still be doing the same thing he's been doing so far this decade. He has a court date today, and he may become homeless soon, so it seems like the days of Dan content may be limited anyway...

Just cut him off completely. You might like him and see him as a friend now. There is nothing positive you can do for him working for him or even talking to him. Based on some youtube comments you made you were totally naive to think Jeremy could help him. You can't help him either. You aren't a psychiatrist, family member, and can not impact his situation in a positive way. Even if your heart is in the right place your mind isn't. You allowed yourself to connect emotionally to this person to the detriment of him and yourself. Just look at the amount of time you have dedicated to him. Watching his videos, drawing pictures of him, talking to him and his family. You can't help him. If his family can't help him what is someone across the ocean going to do?

He needs to bottom out and go back home or end up in some kind of group home. You shouldn't be validating him in any way. He's literally a danger to people in his area. You have seen how angry he gets over something as trivial as telling him to throw out food. He has flat out said "I need to rape women." He said it as casually as someone says good morning to someone when going into work.

What Dan needs most right now is to break out of his rut. He needs a serious reality check. You actually have the opportunity to help him more than anyone else at the moment in that regard. You actually want to do something positive? Tell him you have been fucking with him this whole time. Tell him Jeremy has been right all along and you've been trolling him this whole time. Tell him the pictures were making fun of him in the same way the DJ Silly songs made fun of him. Let him see just how wrong he can be and make sure to point that out to him. It might sound cruel but it is just the kind of slap in the face he needs. Give him nothing left but his family to fall back on with Kim cutting him off. The right time is now. It might go against your instincts but it is the right thing to do. Do it for yourself as well. I'm sure you can find more productive things to do with your time. You've dedicated enough time to him already.
 
Just cut him off completely. You might like him and see him as a friend now. There is nothing positive you can do for him working for him or even talking to him. Based on some youtube comments you made you were totally naive to think Jeremy could help him. You can't help him either. You aren't a psychiatrist, family member, and can not impact his situation in a positive way. Even if your heart is in the right place your mind isn't. You allowed yourself to connect emotionally to this person to the detriment of him and yourself. Just look at the amount of time you have dedicated to him. Watching his videos, drawing pictures of him, talking to him and his family. You can't help him. If his family can't help him what is someone across the ocean going to do?

He needs to bottom out and go back home or end up in some kind of group home. You shouldn't be validating him in any way. He's literally a danger to people in his area. You have seen how angry he gets over something as trivial as telling him to throw out food. He has flat out said "I need to rape women." He said it as casually as someone says good morning to someone when going into work.

What Dan needs most right now is to break out of his rut. He needs a serious reality check. You actually have the opportunity to help him more than anyone else at the moment in that regard. You actually want to do something positive? Tell him you have been fucking with him this whole time. Tell him Jeremy has been right all along and you've been trolling him this whole time. Tell him the pictures were making fun of him in the same way the DJ Silly songs made fun of him. Let him see just how wrong he can be and make sure to point that out to him. It might sound cruel but it is just the kind of slap in the face he needs. Give him nothing left but his family to fall back on with Kim cutting him off. The right time is now. It might go against your instincts but it is the right thing to do. Do it for yourself as well. I'm sure you can find more productive things to do with your time. You've dedicated enough time to him already.

You are right that I was naive to think that Jeremy could help Dan. I gave him the benefit of the doubt because I knew that Dan and him knew each other since school. I only started talking to Dan in November of last year, just before he went to Vegas to meet up with Jeremy around that time, and I didn't really know much at that point other than they were friends. I knew he came back because they had a falling out, but since I'd only been talking to Dan for a few weeks I didn't feel like pressing him for details.

I was talking to Dan for about a month before I started drawing for him, and he talked to me respectfully before I was even doing anything for him. His reaction to the first drawing I did was overwhelmingly positive, and he encouraged me to keep on going, and I ended up doing one drawing every single day for about three months. Before this, I hardly drew at all.

The last month or so I've slowed down production slightly, usually doing a Dan drawing every few days, because I wanted to spend a bit more time on the drawings and because I was finding it hard to complete drawings on days which I was working, which lead to some of my drawings looking rushed to me. It was just a personal challenge to do this though, it's never that I felt that Dan would have been disappointed or angry if I didn't meet my arbitrarily set deadlines.

I realized soon that Jeremy was no good for Dan. Jeremy was not right about anything, including that I have been "trolling" him. Jeremy is an alcoholic, wannabe "Pick Up Artist". He is a moron who thinks he is a genius. He would always goad Dan to coming out to Vegas "Oh Dan you should come out here, you're always welcome here anytime, my house is your house" kind of vibe, and as soon as Dan gets down there, just because he doesn't take orders from Jeremy and do exactly what he wants, after a few days Jeremy kicks him out the house and Dan is left wandering around Vegas, sleeping in Bus Stations and trying to go to Homeless Shelters for food and such.

Jeremy enticed Dan to come to Vegas, promising him that if he "performed" on the strip, he'd be earning hundreds of dollars per day. The genius had this all worked out and calculated in his head. Dan did jumping jacks for hours and didn't earn a cent, unsurprisingly, and was desperate. He was basically in tears. I felt bad for him, and his family wouldn't buy him a ticket back to L.A. (they did that last time he was in Vegas though) and because I was going to send him a small gift for his birthday just as a nice gesture anyway, instead of doing that I got him a $20 bus ticked back to L.A. I had it to spare, I wouldn't have done that if I needed the money.

As far as I can tell, Jeremy is the only "friend" Dan has ever had, and even then, Dan told me that he would avoid talking to Jeremy for anywhere up to a year or more, but then he'd remember the good times from school and miss him. I guess it's kind of similar to the Kim situation. When he's with her, it's mostly negative. When he's not with her, he sees their relationship through rose-tinted spectacles.

As for Dan moving back home, I have encouraged this a lot, and for a while it seemed like he was really going to go for it. He was obsessed with his hometown and posting about it for days on end, but when the "incest incident" happened between himself and his sisters, that seemed to put a stop to that fantasy. It's also the trial that's keeping him in L.A. just now anyway, and Kim.

I just don't think I can bring myself to just cut Dan off like that cold-turkey. I think you have all made some very good points here. I don't think that my being a "yes man" has everything to do with our "friendship". We have talked about some real stuff, and he's let me know a lot about his life growing up. Things that he hasn't discussed in his videos or anywhere else. There are things that have happened during Dan's life that make understanding why he is the way he is easier. I don't mean to alleviate the responsibility of Dan's actions though, they are, of course, his own.

Dan had his pre-trial yesterday, and the trial itself starts in May, and will take about a week. I want to be there for Dan until then at least, and see what happens. I know some of my work is satirical, but I would actually like to see Dan doing well for himself, or at least better than now. I don't think that if I cut off all contact with him abruptly that will be the "slap-in-the-face" or "wake-up call" he needs. I really don't think it would change his current behavior. I don't think that my being here has that much of a negative effect on him either.
 
Hmm, I don't think it would matter that much to Dan if you stopped. Dan probably gets some amusement from your artwork but then it's business as usual for him. I think what Dan values most about you is that you're a yes man and that you're always in 'perfect harmony' with him.

One thing about your artwork is that it makes fun of Dan and points out the ridiculousness of him. I think Dan realizes that he can be amusing but despite all the humor it doesn't actually change the fact that Dan is deadly serious about the stuff that he says.

There is potentially something wrong mentally with Dan which makes it difficult for him to distinguish whether he's being trolled or not when the trolling is not fully overt. So, if your artwork is drawn with the intention of subtly pointing out to Dan that what he says is crazy then I don't think Dan has the capacity to pick up on that.
He already said that he likes Dan (why I have no idea) and wants to be there for him as a friend. He's not trolling him.

I just don't think I can bring myself to just cut Dan off like that cold-turkey. I think you have all made some very good points here. I don't think that my being a "yes man" has everything to do with our "friendship". We have talked about some real stuff, and he's let me know a lot about his life growing up. Things that he hasn't discussed in his videos or anywhere else. There are things that have happened during Dan's life that make understanding why he is the way he is easier. I don't mean to alleviate the responsibility of Dan's actions though, they are, of course, his own.

Dan had his pre-trial yesterday, and the trial itself starts in May, and will take about a week. I want to be there for Dan until then at least, and see what happens. I know some of my work is satirical, but I would actually like to see Dan doing well for himself, or at least better than now. I don't think that if I cut off all contact with him abruptly that will be the "slap-in-the-face" or "wake-up call" he needs. I really don't think it would change his current behavior. I don't think that my being here has that much of a negative effect on him either.
I guess you should ask yourself why you want to "be there" for an abusive, lazy, nasty, angry, violent narcissist who supports pedophilia and incest. Don't you watch the videos? What's wrong with you (I know, autism) that this is the person you bonded with and want to support?
 
He already said that he likes Dan (why I have no idea) and wants to be there for him as a friend. He's not trolling him.


I guess you should ask yourself why you want to "be there" for an abusive, lazy, nasty, angry, violent narcissist who supports pedophilia and incest. Don't you watch the videos? What's wrong with you (I know, autism) that this is the person you bonded with and want to support?

I just have to separate the insane but fleeting fantasies he sometimes says during his manic episodes from the actual person. It's all talk, and if I thought otherwise I would definitely cut off all communication.

He does not act like he does in his videos towards me. He acts like a completely different person. I was surprised the first time I talked to him on the phone. I thought he would be rambling, talking a mile a minute and shouting over me. He was actually quite polite and pleasant, and seemed interested in what I had to say and wanted advice (although he doesn't often take advice).

But in all honesty, right now I have very little going on in my life, otherwise I wouldn't have time to do art. As for why Dan inspires me to do art, even I don't know the answer to that one.
 
He already said that he likes Dan (why I have no idea) and wants to be there for him as a friend. He's not trolling him.

It's a mixture of both. The artwork is obvious trolling now we know Andrew doesn't buy in to Dan's world. He likes Dan, and that's why he draws that stuff but at the same time he takes the piss out of him but subtly enough not to raise any alarm bells for Dan (unlike DJ Silly who inserted the image of a bottle in that video he made to go with the Best Life Possible song). If he wasn't doing the stuff for his own self-amusement then he probably wouldn't be participating in the discussion in this thread.

BTW, I wonder if Dan has ever come across this thread about him on Kiwi Farms. He'd no doubt view this as a hater forum and I wonder if he'd be surprised to know Andrew has participated in it.

Jeremy is right that Andrew is trolling him. He can't understand why Andrew does those silly pictures if he genuinely wants to be friends with him.

Jeremy is probably a more real friend to Dan than Andrew is. At least he makes it clear to Dan that he thinks Dan is obsessed with the diet stuff, as opposed to Andrew who draws fruits and vegetables non stop. Jeremy seems unable to get Dan to debate the topic with him though as it's in Dan's nature to avoid any type of conflict (which is why any cracks in his harmony comes out with accosting women, shouting at Kim, hour long rants and potentially something violent in the future). You can see in the videos with Jeremy and Dan that whenever Jeremy tries to debate strongly with Dan, Dan just keeps his mouth shut.
 
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Jeremy is probably a more real friend to Dan than Andrew is.

Agree. Jeremy countless times has disagreed with Dan and tried to convince him that he's wrong, and even though Dan is seemingly incapable of understanding that Jeremy's actually right, maybe at some point, if he were to think about raping, harming, whatever, he could think about what Jeremy says and be like, "oh, yeah, I probably shouldn't." At least there's more of a chance of that happening than with what Andrew's shoveling Dan's way.
 
maybe at some point, if he were to think about raping, harming, whatever, he could think about what Jeremy says and be like, "oh, yeah, I probably shouldn't." At least there's more of a chance of that happening than with what Andrew's shoveling Dan's way.
Yeah, and on the contrary to Andrew's method which involves making a passive-aggressive "hater" account calling him out on his bullshit like this one I mentioned earlier, in which he made a comment quoting ""Every girl should be claimed by a man when she's young. 16 years old or before." and to "lock him up". *edit: ref. pic below*
Andrew is clearly pushing the 'do what thou wilt' mentality on someone everyone knows should NOT be functioning on complete impulse, feeding positive reinforcement for his actions to his face while voicing his real criticisms among the countless trolls Dan doesn't listen to or take seriously.

I really don't think it would change his current behavior. I don't think that my being here has that much of a negative effect on him either.
This is what I would typify as a "negative effect" on his behaviour. You may or may not be looking out for his best interest, but you're delaying the inevitable, and justifying his abhorrent ideas of how society should be and how it's always everyone elses fault.
Maybe that's why Dan recently decided voicing his opinions about incest and kids is suddenly okay. I know he's had the few stray comments in the past but he's been more confident about it.
 

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Yeah, and on the contrary to Andrew's method which involves making a passive-aggressive "hater" account calling him out on his bullshit like this one I mentioned earlier, in which he made a comment quoting ""Every girl should be claimed by a man when she's young. 16 years old or before." and to "lock him up". *edit: ref. pic below*
Andrew is clearly pushing the 'do what thou wilt' mentality on someone everyone knows should NOT be functioning on complete impulse, feeding positive reinforcement for his actions to his face while voicing his real criticisms among the countless trolls Dan doesn't listen to or take seriously.


This is what I would typify as a "negative effect" on his behaviour. You may or may not be looking out for his best interest, but you're delaying the inevitable, and justifying his abhorrent ideas of how society should be and how it's always everyone elses fault.
Maybe that's why Dan recently decided voicing his opinions about incest and kids is suddenly okay. I know he's had the few stray comments in the past but he's been more confident about it.

You think that account is me because he subscribed to both myself and Dan? Seriously man, you're grasping at straws, that isn't me. I have one account and I can say whatever I want from it. Considering these mistakes and the fact you think Jeremy is a better friend to Dan than myself, I'm starting to think maybe I shouldn't be listening to you guys at all.


Looks like he does get laid though.

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Jeremy has sex with girls who are either too drunk to say no or are ugly and/or slutty as heck. Are you impressed? He also spends his free time cyber stalking his ex-girlfriend of almost a decade ago and asking random strangers online whether she still thinks of him or not, despite the fact she's married and has a kid. Clearly he's a pimp-daddy living the high life and we all should be jealous.
 
Jeremy has sex with girls who are either too drunk to say no or are ugly and/or slutty as heck. Are you impressed?

It's a damn site more impressive than what Dan has gotten over the past year or so, especially since he's moaned and complained so much about wanting pussy, even to the point of thinking how good it would be if certain family members offered to suck his dick out of sympathy for his sex starved sorry ass.

Clearly he's a pimp-daddy living the high life and we all should be jealous.

It sounds like you hold quite a grudge against Jeremy. You know you could say a similar thing about Dan right? Like clearly he's smarter than most people and that fat people are idiots and low-lifes, in addition to people who work 9-5 jobs and not make money on the Internet (which, BTW, Dan says is so easy to do and that he just hasn't made his millions online yet due to gluten).

But you love Dan, right? And you want him all to yourself...and you don't want someone like Jeremy corrupting the delicate personality you jerk off to everyday.
 
It's a damn site more impressive than what Dan has gotten over the past year or so, especially since he's moaned and complained so much about wanting pussy, even to the point of thinking how good it would be if certain family members offered to suck his dick out of sympathy for his sex starved sorry ass.



It sounds like you hold quite a grudge against Jeremy. You know you could say a similar thing about Dan right? Like clearly he's smarter than most people and that fat people are idiots and low-lifes, in addition to people who work 9-5 jobs and not make money on the Internet (which, BTW, Dan says is so easy to do and that he just hasn't made his millions online yet due to gluten).

But you love Dan, right? And you want him all to yourself...and you don't want someone like Jeremy corrupting the delicate personality you jerk off to everyday.

Not really a grudge, I'm just going by what Jeremy told me. He doesn't mind fucking crack whores and chicks in their forties and fifties. His standards aren't exactly high. He can barely even read or write. Dan could have had sex in Vegas but he refused because the women were drunk, and Dan does not want to sleep with drunk women. If Dan wanted to talk to Jeremy again I wouldn't stop him, but he doesn't.
 
I guess you should ask yourself why you want to "be there" for an abusive, lazy, nasty, angry, violent narcissist who supports pedophilia and incest. Don't you watch the videos? What's wrong with you (I know, autism) that this is the person you bonded with and want to support?

Reasonable assumption is that those things aren't unusual to Andrew and he has similar desires. Watch out Hilary and Isabel.

Jeremy has sex with girls who are either too drunk to say no or are ugly and/or slutty as heck. Are you impressed? He also spends his free time cyber stalking his ex-girlfriend of almost a decade ago and asking random strangers online whether she still thinks of him or not, despite the fact she's married and has a kid. Clearly he's a pimp-daddy living the high life and we all should be jealous.

That isn't even close to as pathetic as being so lonely, and desperate for attention. that you befriend Dan Cilley. You won't cut off contact with Dan even though it would be the best thing for him. Sad thing is you are probably doing it for your benefit. Not his since clearly you are doing more harm than good. Why aren't you posting on your Weedle account? You fessed up that it was you when called out on it in the comments on a video you posted on Dan's page.
 
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