💼 Careercow Dan Harmon - Creator of Community, co-creator of Rick and Morty, and barely functional alcoholic

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Hell the character of mr. meeseek's is just a rip off of scud, the disposable assassin, which i think is because justin roiland is Friends with the creator of that.

I think you mean he was a reference to Drywall, the on-again-off-again sidekick of Scud who has a storage universe inside of him.

Nigga I go deep with this shit, I own a first print of issue 1 of Scud and that was my introduction to this ongoing autism. Anybody who knows about Scud is cursed. On a related note, Rob Schrab is the only reliably funny person on Harmontown.
 
Here's the problem: it's not fucking subversive if it is the only thing you are capable of doing.

Ironically, the best way to gag his show and prove just how shallow and mediocre Rick and Morty is going to end up being is pointing to the one "subversion" they keep at the end of a shoe-string without ever truly committing because that would be "predictable": Evil Morty.

I've said before that Evil Morty by himself isn't interesting or new as a concept. However, contextually, that wasn't what made people fall in love with that plot thread. His reveal at the end of his first episode was handled pretty well in that it conveyed intrigue and broke our perception of what the show was telling us to expect out of a "Morty." They did something good by not immediately not following up on that and keeping it under wraps until people were just barely starting to not care about him only to be caught off guard when he appeared in what is almost undoubtedly the only truly worthwhile episode in all of Season 3. (Whether or not you think it's good is subjective.) Combine that with the teaser at the beginning of Season 3's first episode and what you have is a build up to something bigger than what the series has dealt with before.

That's the stuff the fans are invested in because the drama is real. They made people genuinely grow invested in these characters not because they're some hyper-sympathetic, well-developed heroes or anti-heroes, but because these characters are just likable enough that you want to keep seeing them. The dramatic plot-threads that were building up throughout the series promised fans something tangible and exciting, and they got NONE of that. INSTEAD, we got a bunch of waffling around a shitty divorce sub-plot that they barely cared about and jerked off to Beth and Rick enough to cause a mental seizure.

You have people genuinely invested in whether or not Rick will develop as a character. What do you do?
Turn him into an author avatar who's not allowed to have genuine drama. (Nevermind that the Unity episode happened, a-durr)
You're driving people up the wall with the mystery of Evil Morty. What do you do?
Put that back on the shelf again and make the ending of the season clear that you don't have any intentions of following up on that.
You put the suggestion in people's heads that these characters will finally have some growth. What do you do?
Push the reset button and make a shitty wink towards the audience about it.
You tease an ongoing plot-thread that has the audience invested and excited due the story potential that could come of it. What do you do?
You don't even fucking reference this past the first episode of Season 3.

Fucking genius. If you ask me, the only "subversion" in this fucking show is the idea that they ever actually cared about making a good show.
 
Most notably Fry and Morty's delta brainwave:

http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/The_Day_the_Earth_Stood_Stupid

http://rickandmorty.wikia.com/wiki/Close_Rick-Counters_of_the_Rick_Kind

Jesus fuck even the titles, puns on classic sci-fi, reflect the lazyness inherent to R&M's writing:
Futurama offers a cogent blend of the two themes of the episode (alien invaders and Fry's dumbwaves)
R&M offers nothing but the word Rick vomited all over Close Encounters of the Third Kind, a film that shares nothing with the plot or theme of the episode.
And I feel all the shitty attempts at being "deep" and desperately trying to make you care is trying to (poorly) emulate all the legitimately feelsy scenes in Futurama like Jurassic bark, the episode of fry and his brother, Bender's creation, leelah's parents. The problem is nobody in R&M's writing team can properly write drama so it gets grating and you just want it to go back to the half assed humor. Whenever it tries to be legitimately sad or deep it's just annoying
 
And I feel all the shitty attempts at being "deep" and desperately trying to make you care is trying to (poorly) emulate all the legitimately feelsy scenes in Futurama like Jurassic bark, the episode of fry and his brother, Bender's creation, leelah's parents. The problem is nobody in R&M's writing team can properly write drama so it gets grating and you just want it to go back to the half assed humor. Whenever it tries to be legitimately sad or deep it's just annoying
The difference as well is that a lot of Futurama's classic moments came in the third and fourth season (I've not seen the post FOX seasons as a point of reference). They earned the emotional episodes by making us care for the characters over the prior seasons. After four years, viewers liked Fry enough to give Jurassic Bark that extra sting in the tail, and damn if it didn't work to the point where they were swamped with letters from fans who said that the ending made them cry.
 
The difference as well is that a lot of Futurama's classic moments came in the third and fourth season (I've not seen the post FOX seasons as a point of reference). They earned the emotional episodes by making us care for the characters over the prior seasons. After four years, viewers liked Fry enough to give Jurassic Bark that extra sting in the tail, and damn if it didn't work to the point where they were swamped with letters from fans who said that the ending made them cry.

This is also why it's mostly agreed that The Simpsons' real downhill slide started from the episode where they fucked Skinner's character. You need a reason to care, and showrunners who show that they care about the characters while building them up in the viewers' minds tend to make excellent shows. If you betray the characterization that the viewer has built up all of this time (like R&M does constantly) then there's no more emotional base or other investment to work from.
 
I've seen R&M(intentionally or not) take ideas from [...] sci-fi/meta stuff that premiered, years/decades Before R&M.
I haven't seen everything you've referenced, largely because I'm not a weeaboo, but I'm not seeing how unintentional similarities is a point against the show. It's a sci-fi comedy, of course it's gonna play with well-known sci-fi tropes. That's its whole thing. For example, what's the rip-off of The Matrix? The federation prison where people get strapped in small containers and interrogated in simulated worlds? Yeah, people have done that gimmick since well before The Matrix. It's kinda hard to do an episodic sci-fi show and not include some kind of simulated world. Or, at least, it's not surprising when something like that shows up.
Hell the character of mr. meeseek's is just a rip off of scud, the disposable assassin, which i think is because justin roiland is Friends with the creator of that.
Mr. Meeseeks is clearly a reference to House of Cosbys, another show made by Roiland on Harmon's old channel. Yes, the Cosbys aren't disposable, but they're annoying and eccentric disposable clones that are made to help out around the house but quickly spiral out of control. Again, there aren't any completely original concepts out there.
Ironically, the best way to gag his show and prove just how shallow and mediocre Rick and Morty is going to end up being is pointing to the one "subversion" they keep at the end of a shoe-string without ever truly committing because that would be "predictable": Evil Morty.
Your problem is assuming that Evil Morty was intended to be a big thing. I remember there was a con panel where the fans asked about Evil Morty for Season 2, and Roiland and Harmon didn't have anything planned. Evil Morty was a one-off character used for a big dramatic finish of one episode, and the fans kept demanding he come back. Then they decide a giant fanservice twist next season, and hey the fans suddenly assume Evil Morty is going to be the season's villain. When it turns out the season is just going to finish on a normal episode, like, you know, episodic TV shows normally do, suddenly it's Harmon being too edgy to include the finish fans psyched themselves up for.

Harmon has a lot of obvious flaws, let's not make up bullshit for why he's a lolcow.
 
It's been a while since I've seen it but I'm pretty sure they found something like anybody who has some piece of star trek media in their collection is more likely to be a pedo than somebody who doesn't, and that's about as far as the correlation goes.
That’s easily exploited, but Star Trek is such a large phenomena that it’s probably as big of a shot gun approach as saying people who drink Pepsi over Coke are pedo’s.
 
I haven't seen everything you've referenced, largely because I'm not a weeaboo, but I'm not seeing how unintentional similarities is a point against the show. It's a sci-fi comedy, of course it's gonna play with well-known sci-fi tropes. That's its whole thing. For example, what's the rip-off of The Matrix? The federation prison where people get strapped in small containers and interrogated in simulated worlds? Yeah, people have done that gimmick since well before The Matrix. It's kinda hard to do an episodic sci-fi show and not include some kind of simulated world. Or, at least, it's not surprising when something like that shows up.

Mr. Meeseeks is clearly a reference to House of Cosbys, another show made by Roiland on Harmon's old channel. Yes, the Cosbys aren't disposable, but they're annoying and eccentric disposable clones that are made to help out around the house but quickly spiral out of control. Again, there aren't any completely original concepts out there.

Your problem is assuming that Evil Morty was intended to be a big thing. I remember there was a con panel where the fans asked about Evil Morty for Season 2, and Roiland and Harmon didn't have anything planned. Evil Morty was a one-off character used for a big dramatic finish of one episode, and the fans kept demanding he come back. Then they decide a giant fanservice twist next season, and hey the fans suddenly assume Evil Morty is going to be the season's villain. When it turns out the season is just going to finish on a normal episode, like, you know, episodic TV shows normally do, suddenly it's Harmon being too edgy to include the finish fans psyched themselves up for.

Harmon has a lot of obvious flaws, let's not make up bullshit for why he's a lolcow.
I agree that people are blowing shit out of proportion, but the last episode really does seem like a lazy fuck you to the audience. And I don't see the meseeks-Cosby connection. They're all annoying and clones is pretty tenuous, if any Rick and Morty ep reminds me of House of Cosbys it's the one with the mind parasites.
 
I agree that people are blowing shit out of proportion, but the last episode really does seem like a lazy fuck you to the audience.
Yeah the last episode was a disappointment, it wasn't even intended to be the last episode. They planned a 14 episode season, but due to Harmon being Harmon they barely managed 10 episodes in a year and a half. That's my point. Harmon's an incompetent drunk, nothing more nothing less.
 
And I feel all the shitty attempts at being "deep" and desperately trying to make you care is trying to (poorly) emulate all the legitimately feelsy scenes in Futurama like Jurassic bark, the episode of fry and his brother, Bender's creation, leelah's parents. The problem is nobody in R&M's writing team can properly write drama so it gets grating and you just want it to go back to the half assed humor. Whenever it tries to be legitimately sad or deep it's just annoying

But they played a song that had FEELS goddammit, that's just like being able to write!
 
Last time I was at GameStop the fancier galaxy 3DS's were only 200 bucks
That means Dan thinks his siggy is worth 800+ bucks depending on if it's a shitty old plain one or not
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I hate titles like this. There's only been 3 seasons, you tool.
 
He looks like the guy who shows up at family reunions and tries to convince people to invest in a surefire opportunity that's actually just a multilevel marketing scam.
 
https://www.gq.com/story/dan-harmon-rick-and-morty-profile

“My therapist said, ‘You're sitting on this script because this is your last chance to be the curator of your own misery before moving on to what normal humans do, which is let the universe give them their good luck,’ ” Harmon says. “Self-destruction is a control freak's way of monopolizing their own fortune. It's gotta be the most narcissistic thing to hijack God's cockpit and go, ‘No, I'll decide whether it's a good day or a bad day.’ ”

“There's a lot of Dan in Rick,” Roiland agrees when I note that this sounds similar to a certain other God-defying narcissist. “A lot. It's gotten so bad that since season two, I've accidentally started calling Dan ‘Rick.’ There's definitely a world of difference between them. But Dan does—maybe subconsciously, maybe purposefully—tap into some of the darkness he's got in him.”

There's a lot in the show's fans as well. “I think he attracts very like-minded people who have a creative itch or feel socially isolated, and see someone that has a voice that maybe they don't have,” says comedian Patton Oswalt, a frequent Harmon guest star. On Rick and Morty, that voice is a drunken, nihilistic howl into the abyss. “If God is dead, then Rick and Morty is his funeral,” Harmon tells me. And at least some of its success can be explained by the way it echoes what so many are feeling right now.

What a pretentious ding-dong.
 
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