👓 TGWTG Dan Olson / Folding Ideas - Ex-Channel Awesome creator turned Breadtuber, Attempt to get 8chan offlined, Downloaded CP and published it on his website to expose pedophiles, Covered Up JewWario's sex offenses, Will do anything to win Internet Debate, Brain damaged by GamerGate

[kiwifarms net]

Apologies for the double post. Turns out that you can still play Dan Olson's #Resist™, as I hadn't tried actually getting a Flash emulator until I finally pulled my head out my ass and looked. Once I tried Ruffle, it did eventually play - and the browser extension was even kind enough to allow downloading the entire swf file, meaning that Dan Olson's Resist can be archived after all, which I have done so locally. For posterity's sake, I also added the Resist Sound Assets package that was also on Olson's itch.io page to the same zip archive. Anyhow, I wanted to actually check on the main aspect of the """game.""" Sure enough, in spite of the instructions saying to "resist" both concepts by either standing or walking, you'll find that walking will decrease both the ennui and entropy bars. Does that mean he was so fucking retarded that he actually coded it so that you walk to resist both and instantly win forever by only doing that? Well, not exactly. But that isn't going to stop #triggering #gamergating my latent game design autism.

Spoiler: untold amounts of game design autism

1. Entropy starts as a full bar. If Entropy goes empty, you lose. You resist an empty bar by standing still, filling it.
2. Ennui starts as an empty bar. If Ennui gets full, you lose. You resist a full bar by walking forwards, emptying it.
3. Walking will decrease both bars, but at different rates.

What this means is that dis nigga can't even shit out a singular game mechanic without immediately annoying the shit out of me. Why can't both bars start empty, and if either one goes full, you lose? See, the phrasing of "resist entropy" and "resist ennui" implies that both of the things you're "resist"-ing are to function identically. So, you'd think they're identical bars that you interact with separately. In reality, each bar's functions are separate, and walking interacts with both bars identically. So, Dan Olson is so ludologically illiterate that he couldn't even translate "standing vs. walking" into sensible game mechanics without forcing players to wonder what the fuck is wrong for a split second. In fact, he's also just plain illiterate. Entropy is the accumulation of inefficiency, the slow, yet ever-growing trend of all energy in a system dissipating into only heat energy and/or chaos. With that in mind, resisting entropy means reducing it. He gets it right, narratively, by having you stand still to resist entropy, thus conserving your energy and delaying entropy. But despite Dan Olson having a video entirely about the concept of ludonarrative dissonance, when it comes to his one and only game - which has only a single mechanic, walk forward or don't - he still manages to immediately spring ludonarrative dissonance by having the entropy bar start off full. Absolute kino levels of retardation.

Hell, he could've at least been marginally clever and made it so that the game consists of only ONE bar. Have it start in the middle, then make a balancing act out of keeping it from going too far in either direction. It's so fucking free. Maybe he had an intentional message in mind though, like being unable to completely avoid either entropy or ennui, which is why the bars were made separate after all - but I digress. Because, shit, man, even the button scheme annoys me. It isn't even a one-button-game-type of input scheme when it ABSOLUTELY could have been. That's like the artsiest thing in gaming, what with simplification and accessibility having been so trendy back when this kusoge came out. You have to press Enter to start the game, and after that, the only buttons that do anything are Right Arrow Key, and F. Both of them are the "walk forwards" button, and Enter does nothing now. There is no pausing, no resetting to main menu. There isn't even the ability to walk backwards. And even when you refresh the whole swf file to get back to the main menu, Right Arrow Key and F will not start the game, only affect the volume control. He could've ignored the Enter key and just had it so that Right selects main menu options.

To give a token amount of credit though, Dan's Ludonarrative Dissonance video was published on July 19, 2017. According to the Resist Sound Assets pack, the game's latest publication date must be at most April 5, 2015. Ergo, he could have learned a lesson afterwards... maybe. Also there doesn't seem to be a publication date on Resist's itch.io page, so I had to use the dates on the files of the sound assets download for the estimation. I don't think I give enough of a shit to trudge through his Twitter or blog tonight just for the sake of searching for when, where, how, and/or why this trash was made in the first place.

As one last cherry on top, perhaps the absolute funniest part about Resist is that it's an unironic white male feminist hipster version of that one Kickstarter scam game that the Retsupurae gang dug up and naturally shat all over. I'm surprised I dug up the source of that ancient memory - though I did end up first sifting through classic iDubbbz with his Kickstarter Crap series before nailing it second try.

 

[Gloria The Glorious]

So from what I can tell, Dan made a game where you do nothing and die, or walk forever and go insane.

Like, as a personal project that he just wanted to share? Whatever. But as an interactive statement, as art, this is shit. Just basic Nihilistic "there's no good approach to life" trash - try to keep going, and it'll all crash around you. Wait around, and the inevitable embrace of death claims you. But it's fitting for a man who can't bring himself to smile on camera in any circumstance.

Seriously, has Dan ever conveyed himself as happy with anything since the Bitcoin Video? Like, Ashens is a very cynical man, but there's no shortage of bits with him laughing and joking with friends. The real sad thing is that Dan will never get over it because he doesn't see it as a problem; he just "sees everything for what it really is" and so being perpetually sad and mad is the correct outcome.

I don't like Dan. His videos are mid, overly drawn out, makes points others make better and faster, and often just an excuse to attack a target he finds acceptable and deserving. While I don't know Dan personally, everything he's shown online makes me want to keep it that way. But it's hard not to pity the state of your fellow man at some point. And Dan strikes me as someone who will never truly be happy because he's trapped in our fallen world without a means to exist with its injustices - something we ALL have to do.

 

[kiwifarms net]

Dan strikes me as someone who will never truly be happy because he's trapped in our fallen world without a means to exist with its injustices - something we ALL have to do.

Dan's problem is that he himself is one of the slimy scumfucks keeping down justice in this world. If the midwit knew about JewWario's crimes back in 2014 but refused to speak up, then imagine the immense amount of cruelty and immorality that he's witnessed as one of Zoe Quinn's closest orbiters. He has no principles. He's a demoralized man.

As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore. A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell him nothing, even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures ... he will refuse to believe it ... That's the tragedy of the situation of demoralization. Yuri Bezmenov [1983]

Is there even a moment in any of his videos where he shares a genuine compliment to, or ounce of compassion for, any singular group of people? Or at least shows incredulity at the wonders of the world without dismissing it all as cold scientific facts and idle, flawed human perceptions? Because I'm already exhausted with this guy after going back for a whole 5 videos and a shitty art game of him doing nothing but tearing things down and building nothing back up. It's like his depressing persona is what he's actually trying to deliver, not the research that he puts into his videos. Misery loves company, if you will.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

I fucking hate folding ideas because of the. Tell me an argument. Stupidity he is. Perpetuate. First of all, the Thermadorians were an anti. Radical political movement? And Dan coming up with words that already have meanings showing how much of a fucking idiot is no den if the text does not support your theories. I do not have to argue with your head cannon about a piece of media you absolute speed.
As a writer myself, you know we hate more than anything people woefully misinterpreting our work. One more person comes up with Death. The author, by the way, the guy who came up with that faggoty literary theory was some fag. It was too much of a pussy bitch to fight in the Belgian military during W2.

 

[kiwifarms net]

I fucking hate Folding Ideas because of the. Tell me an argument. Stupidity he is. Perpetuate. First of all, what was he trying to say about the Thermians being an anti-radical political movement? Dan coming up with terms that already exist shows how much of a fucking idiot he is. No, Dan, if the text does not support your theories, then I do not have to argue with your headcanon about a piece of media, you absolute sped.
As a writer myself, you know we hate more than anything people woefully misinterpreting our work. Dan Olson is just another person abusing "Death of the author." By the way, the guy who came up with that faggoty literary theory was some fag who was too much of a pussy bitch to fight in the Belgian military during WW2.

I've attempted to rewrite your post to make it more legible for future generations. So, I've actually heard the term "Thermian Argument" thrown around by another breadtuber who popped into my feed due to watching Dan. As it turns out, yeah that "fallacy" was invented completely from scratch by Dan. So if anyone hears it in the wild, it's because of that very faggot. And I'm really glad that you mentioned "Death of the author" because that bullshit is Marxist, and so too is pretty much everything that Dan makes. His earlier works when he first started making videos were pure Marxist theory from top to bottom, and he's still a Marxist faggot to this day. He even admitted as such on his now-defunct Ask.fm once.



God I fucking hate the idea of the Thermian Argument. It really is kind of a repeat of that original Marxist tactic. The gist of "Death of the author" is that if you have, say, a book that involves green-skinned orcs doing some raping and pillaging, then according to Marxist theory you can draw parallels to anti-black sentiments and cry RACISM RACISM RACISM because "Death of the author" is about removing the factor of the author's own words from your critique of this book. If the author says that they only made the orcs ontologically evil because the hero just needed some fantasy bandits to kill to demonstrate his loyalty, then Marxists otherwise wouldn't be able to slander the book as being racist; they need to eliminate all context, and that includes anything the author might say to dissuade their bullshit critiques. This is all that Marxist theory does, you try and "view it from the lens of critical theory" and the like, which in reality is just a bunch of fancy ways to completely remove context from whatever you're talking about so that you can label anyone and anything whatever the fuck you want and destroy them.

(Also, according to the faggot Roland Barthes who invented this "critique device," a text having an author is a form of fucking TYRANNY somehow? And by using Death of the author, you are freeing the text of its very own author's tyranny. Should I hate this faggot even more, or should I save some hate for the faggot who translated his French vomit into English that way? No fucking way that that's actually how he argued it, I fucking hate Marxism so fucking much)

Dan Olson's Thermian Argument isn't just "Death of the author," it's "Death of the media that you're currently trying to fucking critique." It's next-level retardation. At first it doesn't even sound that bad - "An outside critique cannot be deflected by means of the work's internal rules." That's the gist of it. Let's say you have a book in which Jaquonisha the ooga booga banana-slurping basketball-throwing nigger was only acting so niggishly because of mind control. There are 981 pages out of 983 total that were spent describing precisely how niggerish his behavior is. All of this was actually to demonstrate just how evil the villainous mind control user A. Wyatt Mann really is; Jaquonisha was actually an innocent doctor and engineer the entire time. Does this endpoint justify the author spending entire chapters on bloviating about just how niggery Jaquonisha is acting? Well, obviously not in this instance. That certainly sounds like a place where you might say that "Thermian argument" applies. Nevermind the fact that we don't need some brand new fancy bullshit Marxist lingo that requires an entire fucking YouTube video to understand. It's not like people have always just simply said that the Jaquonisha book "is obviously an excuse to write about how much the author hates niggers" and call it a day, nah. We need a heroic Marxist to invent new, incomprehensible lingo so that we can optimize the critical theory factory and call everything racist even faster.

The problem comes when they start applying this newly-invented fallacy for a very specific reason. Frieren's demon species is a particular example where an attempt to cry "Thermian argument" pissed me off. This time it was along the lines of, "This media condemned an entire sapient race to the role of irredeemable and violent liars, which is a parallel to racist propaganda." This immediately baits people into mentioning how they know that Frieren isn't racist propaganda, because the work goes to extensive lengths to demonstrate that the demons AREN'T people. They're classified as monsters, they have a history of being monsters and hunting humans that goes so far back that evolution of their tactics took place, they clearly don't think like humans do, they demonstrate zero redeeming qualities, they dissolve into monster-mana when they die on-camera, and at no point is there any indication that the demons are meant to parallel any real-life race. However, this prompts a claim of "Thermian argument," stating that "This is my outside critique. Just because the internal rules clearly demonstrate that they aren't people doesn't change the fact that this entire sapient race was written to be irredeemable and violent liars. You can't defend the work by using the work itself."

This is eyeroll-inducing. If you only say "this parallels racist propaganda" then that alone doesn't make me give a fuck; your argument isn't complete yet because you still haven't mentioned why paralleling racist propaganda is relevant. Does it being racist make it based and a 10/10, or does it being racist make it bad? So of course, they take the next step and outright state what they want to accomplish, and this completely invalidates their claim to Thermian argument. "I am critiquing Frieren's demons because there is a chance that somebody will look at this media and apply it for the sake of real-world harm and propaganda." It is at THAT POINT that my blood really boils over. What this part of the anti-Frieren rhetoric says is that "This work and its internal universe are going to leak out into the real world." If you want this to actually be true, then the "Thermian argument" stops being a fallacy and does have legitimacy as an argument, meaning that you cannot waive counterarguments with that "fallacy" anymore.

That is to say, if the internal workings of this world DO leak out into reality, then, in some way, the rules of Frieren matter to reality. This means that anybody who internalizes Frieren's demons must be taking Frieren's internal rules into account. And if somebody is using Frieren's internal rules to dictate their real actions, then the internal rules have relevance to the outside world, and therefore counterarguments using these internal rules are thusly valid. Also, if the internal rules do matter, then there is no reason to assume that someone internalizing these rules would be selective about it - they would be taking in the work as a whole to internalize. And if this hypothetical person did choose to be selective about these rules, then the onus is on the critic claiming that these rules will cause real-world harm by explaining how and why a hypothetical person would choose to be selective about which part(s) of the work they are internalizing.

This is the hidden, rotten core of critical theory, which is derived from Marxist theory. If you rip away context hard enough, you look perfectly valid to both fellow Marxists as well as to anybody who doesn't know anything about what you're talking about. All of these professors at all of these schools - their entire careers are about trying to look as valid as possible by finding new and inventive ways to completely delete context from any equation they come across, letting them stay entrenched for as long as possible so that they can keep making new commie converts over time. It's a fucking game to them. These intellectually-lazy fucks have been meticulously trained and indoctrinated to enact pure evil and exist solely to spread misery. Every left-wing faggot is like this. All of them. No fun allowed; all fun is racist and sexist, always, all the time - especially if you take it out of context and only view everything from your own very special custom-made lens that happens to be really really tiny and deliberately designed so that you can't see any context whatsoever.

Anyhow, on the topic of Marxism: If anybody ITT knows Alberta, or knows somebody who does know Alberta, then I want to ask something. How cucked is that place? Because I've heard that it's supposed to be a surprisingly conservative-leaning province. This surprised me because we know from his Wikipedia entry that Dan Olson went to the Southern Alberta Institute of Technology for his education. Since it's an educational institute in Canada, I've always assumed that it was completely infested to the brim with Marxist theorists and commie traitors. But if Alberta votes right-wing, yet Dan Olson (who has lived his entire life there) is clearly a left-wing ultrafaggot, then I don't know anymore. I would like confirmation that SAIT is indeed a Marxist indoctrination center just so I can know for certain that this is where he got his retardation from, but it's hard to know how one singular place actually functions from a distance. Who am I kidding of course it's full of commies

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

Anyhow, on the topic of Marxism: If anybody ITT knows Alberta, or knows somebody who does know Alberta, then I want to ask something. How cucked is that place? Because I've heard that it's supposed to be a surprisingly conservative-leaning province. This surprised me because we know from his Wikipedia entry that Dan Olson went to the Southern Alberta Institute of Technology for his education. Since it's an educational institute in Canada, I've always assumed that it was completely infested to the brim with Marxist theorists and commie traitors. But if Alberta votes right-wing, yet Dan Olson (who has lived his entire life there) is clearly a left-wing ultrafaggot, then I don't know anymore. I would like confirmation that SAIT is indeed a Marxist indoctrination center just so I can know for certain that this is where he got his retardation from, but it's hard to know how one singular place actually functions from a distance. Who am I kidding of course it's full of commies

French Canadians are quite conservative people, but they're also insufferable pricks. Dan probably was made fun of for speaking tale for French.

 

[Flexo]

It's a fucking game to them.

Almost like Frieren's demons....

Also tagging @Mola Ram and @WelperHelper99 because they will want to enjoy your post too.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Almost like Frieren's demons....

Also tagging @Mola Ram and @WelperHelper99 because they will want to enjoy your post too.

Thank you man!

The problem comes when they start applying this newly-invented fallacy for a very specific reason. Frieren's demon species is a particular example where an attempt to cry "Thermian argument" pissed me off. This time it was along the lines of, "This media condemned an entire sapient race to the role of irredeemable and violent liars, which is a parallel to racist propaganda." This immediately baits people into mentioning how they know that Frieren isn't racist propaganda, because the work goes to extensive lengths to demonstrate that the demons AREN'T people. They're classified as monsters, they have a history of being monsters and hunting humans that goes so far back that evolution of their tactics took place, they clearly don't think like humans do, they demonstrate zero redeeming qualities, they dissolve into monster-mana when they die on-camera, and at no point is there any indication that the demons are meant to parallel any real-life race. However, this prompts a claim of "Thermian argument," stating that "This is my outside critique. Just because the internal rules clearly demonstrate that they aren't people doesn't change the fact that this entire sapient race was written to be irredeemable and violent liars. You can't defend the work by using the work itself."

This is eyeroll-inducing. If you only say "this parallels racist propaganda" then that alone doesn't make me give a fuck; your argument isn't complete yet because you still haven't mentioned why paralleling racist propaganda is relevant. Does it being racist make it based and a 10/10, or does it being racist make it bad? So of course, they take the next step and outright state what they want to accomplish, and this completely invalidates their claim to Thermian argument. "I am critiquing Frieren's demons because there is a chance that somebody will look at this media and apply it for the sake of real-world harm and propaganda." It is at THAT POINT that my blood really boils over. What this part of the anti-Frieren rhetoric says is that "This work and its internal universe are going to leak out into the real world." If you want this to actually be true, then the "Thermian argument" stops being a fallacy and does have legitimacy as an argument, meaning that you cannot waive counterarguments with that "fallacy" anymore.

That is to say, if the internal workings of this world DO leak out into reality, then, in some way, the rules of Frieren matter to reality. This means that anybody who internalizes Frieren's demons must be taking Frieren's internal rules into account. And if somebody is using Frieren's internal rules to dictate their real actions, then the internal rules have relevance to the outside world, and therefore counterarguments using these internal rules are thusly valid. Also, if the internal rules do matter, then there is no reason to assume that someone internalizing these rules would be selective about it - they would be taking in the work as a whole to internalize. And if this hypothetical person did choose to be selective about these rules, then the onus is on the critic claiming that these rules will cause real-world harm by explaining how and why a hypothetical person would choose to be selective about which part(s) of the work they are internalizing.

The demons are not people. Yes they can talk, they can even think, but all of that serves a single goal: to fucking eat and kill humans. Words are just tools to further the goal of murder and butchery. They are literally True Evil on the alignment chart. You cannot reason with them because there is nothing to reason with. There are no good ones because that fundamentally is not what a demon in Frieren is capable of. The Thermian Argument is bullshit.

 

[Mola Ram]

Almost like Frieren's demons....

Also tagging @Mola Ram and @WelperHelper99 because they will want to enjoy your post too.

I really didn't know what was going on here, so before I got very far into @kiwifarms net's post (excellent username and PFP, by the way, I thought my laptop was crashing) I watched Dan's "Thermian Argument" video and while I will address it in some more in-depth way eventually, for the moment I'll just say I now understand why some Indian tribes used to flay people alive with jagged oyster shells.

I'm also going to put that in a fictional world just to annoy this man-shaped pile of soy.

 

[kiwifarms net]

I now understand why some Indian tribes used to flay people alive with jagged oyster shells.

Feather Indians or dot Indians? Also, I'm always happy to see that the mindfuck is working.

The demons are not people.

In a more accurate sense, the demons are not even a species or real in any way; they are literary devices. They're an allegory for lies, nothing more, nothing less. If you KNOW that somebody is coming at you with the intent to lie, you shouldn't hesitate to remove them from your life lest they destroy you. Yet what Frieren the elf learns is that humans will still fall for the lies, because human emotions and sentiments can often be even more important regarding what actions a human takes than other processes like logic, reasoning, and knowledge.

It was the fantasy setting storytelling device equivalent of Star Trek and Doctor Who where they constantly introduce wacky new alien species with wacky ways of thinking - including stuff like the Thermians from that Star Trek film. But the point of using an entire alien species in these scenarios isn't to invent new and endearing forms of racist caricatures, it's to use goofy stories to explore certain ideas by introducing characters that fundamentally follow those certain ideas. Frieren's demons fundamentally follow the idea of lying, except now with some added flavor in which they are literal animals that evolved speech for the sake of hunting. That flavor is what triggers Marxists into going on rants about racism, because it makes it easy to take Frieren's demons out of the context of "look at this cool immersive lore that explains how these characters happened" and just plop the franchise into the Marxist theory torture chamber.

What Marxism did to these soy golems is that it made them completely incapable of enjoying the media that you and I enjoy. Everything can be taken out of context with the help of the handy dandy lens of critical theory. Universities and colleges will indoctrinate you by having you put nightmare vision goggles on until you learn learn to view the world exclusively through nightmare vision, with or without the university-provided goggles. You seek out racism and sexism in everything, and, if you learn all the Marxist shibboleths and rituals and use it to take everything out of context, you'll inevitably "find" what you're looking for. Once you commit to that and really internalize Marxism under the pressure of 4 years worth of time investment, multiplied by the inevitable student loan debt giving you an extreme sense of sunk cost, then everything looks like a nightmare all the time. That's because you're the one making it that way with the handy dandy critical lens that you were goaded into, starting from public school kindergarten and onwards constantly telling you to go to college so that your nightmare indoctrination education can "truly" begin.

Dan Olson fascinates me. He was completely aware that he was a soyboy Marxist hipster even back in the day, but he just can't help himself. He's fully capable of research and applying his thoughts and reasoning to things, but he's too autistic, too stupid, and too arrogant to interrogate his own thoughts, let alone the thoughts injected into him by the Marxists. He could've been a perfectly innocent film nerd, but his stubborn fixation on critical theory (did they trick him into thinking critical theory was real film theory?) is going to make him throw his hat into the ring of politics again, and I'm completely down for watching that disaster unfold. Twitter didn't have the "Readers added context" feature back in 2014 with Gamergate when he first became publicly active. Now the landscape has changed, and the pushback against the Marxist context-killing mindset is in full swing. I've just gotta see Dan Olson flail around.

 

[AnOminous]

Dan Olson fascinates me. He was completely aware that he was a soyboy Marxist hipster even back in the day, but he just can't help himself.

He is fat and I would not have sex with him.

 

[skunt]

new video out

 

[Trollblade69]

new video out

If anyone subscribed to his Patreon would be willing to share the other unlisted videos he posted alongside this one, I'd appreciate it.

This private information is unavailable to guests due to policies enforced by third-parties.

EDIT: Oh hey, he just uploaded this one publicly:

Would still like to know if there's any videos that aren't, though.

 

[Jonny Greenwood]

Boring as shit video but saying IShowSpeed has more of an actual fandom than MrBeast is a vicious point

Having to fly in several people and ask them how they have actual fans is legitimately insane

Assuming it happened, of course

 

[Mikoyan]

Assuming it happened, of course

Well, we know the event happened. We know it went down at least broadly as he described. We can imply from the eclectic group alone that it's a group that makes almost no sense to invite. Setting Olson aside, you could make almost all the same arguments of why a 'youth oriented' production group like Jimmy's would invite someone like Doug Walker, who insomuch as he can be said to have his finger on any cultural pulse at all, it sure ain't made-for-streaming zoomer sensations.

I watched the first video so far and I did it for much the same reason Olson himself was bewildered: Why him? No matter the motives, why invite a guy who's going to clearly be a negative 'cultural Marxist' about what you're doing and might be vocal about it? As it was I thought his video was less vitriolic than what I would've expected. He did do a good job comparing the junket to a middlin' business trip, but what he didn't do was point out that money is incredibly cheap for a consulting group. All you have to do is have one of them be unguarded and say 'holy shit why are you doing that' and it's all worth it.

 

[Waffle Iron]

All you have to do is have one of them be unguarded and say 'holy shit why are you doing that' and it's all worth it.

It helps you diagnose the most obvious problems (like never running tests for the games in the game show, or never doing a test run on the chocolate bars). But it is obvious the problems run deeper than that. It helps them save some money because the cosulting firm doesn't have to point out the obvious anymore and can instead go straight to more complex problems, and maybe that is 20k well-spent, but it still seems like an odd business decision. I think Dan is right that they just don't know any better and think you can solve everything if you just interogate an expert for 20 minutes.

This episode reminds me of one of his old videos about a youtube competitor (I forgot its name) that asked him to provide feedback. The people behind it seemed similarly as oblivious to the basics of running a company and similarly thought they were being friendly, open, kind and modern asking randoms on the internet to provide feedback. Rather than testing anything themslves and getting in some experts to poke holes in their plans.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

I watched the first video so far and I did it for much the same reason Olson himself was bewildered: Why him?

It helps them save some money because the cosulting firm doesn't have to point out the obvious anymore and can instead go straight to more complex problems, and maybe that is 20k well-spent, but it still seems like an odd business decision.

I'm inclined to go with the theory that he was invited along to settle an argument within the MrBeast production team. There were probably disagreements over where the show needed to improve, or what the shortcomings of the existing format were, and then someone probably said something along the lines of "I know how we can settle this. We'll invite a bunch of video essayists over to poke holes in our product, and then we'll see who's side the consensus agrees with."

If this is how the events played out, then the decision to invite a creator like Dan makes a lot of sense. I do think it would be funnier though if someone made the decision purely as a social experiment just to see what would happen if you unwittingly put Dan Olson and Doug Walker in the same room.

 

[PatrickButtmanJr.]

I'm inclined to go with the theory that he was invited along to settle an argument within the MrBeast production team. There were probably disagreements over where the show needed to improve, or what the shortcomings of the existing format were, and then someone probably said something along the lines of "I know how we can settle this. We'll invite a bunch of video essayists over to poke holes in our product, and then we'll see who's side the consensus agrees with."

I can only hope that bald Canadian fucker goes full SJW and gives them retarded advice like "The show needs more fat trans Muslim black women" and "From now on, all competitions are about who can hug the best"

 

[Mikoyan]

It helps you diagnose the most obvious problems (like never running tests for the games in the game show, or never doing a test run on the chocolate bars). But it is obvious the problems run deeper than that.

Oh yes, they do. But bringing in a sort of expert focus group is totally a thing a lot of startups would do.

Something that they might not be willing to consider is that all the digital content mills had their age, and fell off. It might just be inevitable, even if there's a lot of things they could do way better.

If this is how the events played out, then the decision to invite a creator like Dan makes a lot of sense. I do think it would be funnier though if someone made the decision purely as a social experiment just to see what would happen if you unwittingly put Dan Olson and Doug Walker in the same room.

I'm almost disappointed something wasn't said, even a joking "So when does James walk out?"

 

[Waffle Iron]

Oh yes, they do. But bringing in a sort of expert focus group is totally a thing a lot of startups would do.

MrBeast isnt exactly a startup. Maybe his chocolate bar venture was new, but he entered a mature market. You can't just expect people to drop the existing chocolate options for his bars. If you mean the youtube clone, They had to start with a lot of money to be able to run a youtube clone. Video hosting costs a lot since you need a lot of storage and a lot of bandwidth. If they didnt know this and started with a tiny amount of money, then they're fucked anyway. If they did have a lot of money to handle traffic once they beat youtube, they shouldve spent some on research. And that doesnt mean launching your service then asking people on twitter if they have any suggestions.

Either way, from what i understand, beast games is backed by amazon, who also runs other shows. Amazon probably has some guys running around that could be flown in to take a look.