Dave Hopkins - Furry Rape Fetishist

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That was, what, 15 years ago?

I don't want to be a dick but I'm just warning you, this isn't really going to be a place that is sympathetic
 
Cyberwuffy said:
pffft. I don't owe anyone here anything, and exactly how am I supposed to prove that?

I only joined to add my perspective about things. I want to interact with Katie again, but that ship has kind of sailed.
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There isnt really a 'perspective' here aside from 'this lolcow is dating someone I used to date and am somehow still hung up about a huge time period later.'

To be interesting to us you have to at least give us some insight as to why she went for him/still is with him, etc. Even then, its worth noting that this would be regarded as purely speculative since by your own admission you don't really know Rapey Dave.
 
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Cyberwuffy said:
23 years. And no, I am not looking for sympathy.
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23 years? What the hell is wrong with you?

I've heard the barebones version of this story from people in Dave's discord over the last few years, but I'd always assumed it was a relatively recent happening like Katie was desperately exploring her options outside of Dave and has shitty taste in partners.

23 years. You were, what? Teenagers? I can't even imagine being so hung up on any of the people I dated when I was young that I'd still be stalking them over two decades later trying to force my way into their life. My understanding is that your "thing" was strictly online with Katie and it only lasted a couple months? I would think you've had other relationships since then - hopefully in-person ones where you've experienced an actual connection and physical contact with another human being that would vastly overshadow a short-term online thing. Please tell me that you have, or else this is even fucking scarier, dude.

Can you confirm a few pieces of "trivia" about yourself I've heard? I'm genuinely curious.

- Is it true Katie has had to block you on so many venues that you've resorted to messaging Dave and their friends demanding that they make her speak to you until they block you as well? (I am guessing this is true considering you seem to have only shown up here because she's been mentioned, which leads me to assume you found this thread via search engine while trying to dig up more methods of reaching out to her.)

- Is it true that your relationship with Katie was founded on the fact you were threatening suicide over your previous online girlfriend leaving you, she felt bad for you, and then when she became scared of how clingy you were and tried to escape, you amped up the suicide threats and emotional manipulation to the point of openly encouraging strangers on a message board to harass her on your behalf?

- Is it true several artists will no longer accept commissions from you because of your relentless harassment and creepy behavior?

- Did you seriously commission porn of Katie's character by lying to artists that you had her permission, and then cry to her about how you basically did nothing wrong because you were just trying to move on and cope with the pain she'd caused you by breaking up with you over 20 fucking years ago?


If even half of this is true, it's no real wonder why she sees a human trainwreck like Dave as a sane partner by comparison. Jesus fucking christ, get help.
 
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Cortizone said:
23 years? What the hell is wrong with you?

I've heard the barebones version of this story from people in Dave's discord over the last few years, but I'd always assumed it was a relatively recent happening like Katie was desperately exploring her options outside of Dave and has shitty taste in partners.

23 years. You were, what? Teenagers? I can't even imagine being so hung up on any of the people I dated when I was young that I'd still be stalking them over two decades later trying to force my way into their life. My understanding is that your "thing" was strictly online with Katie and it only lasted a couple months? I would think you've had other relationships since then - hopefully in-person ones where you've experienced an actual connection and physical contact with another human being that would vastly overshadow a short-term online thing. Please tell me that you have, or else this is even fucking scarier, dude.
It took me awhile to dig out of the hole where I was emotionally.
Can you confirm a few pieces of "trivia" about yourself I've heard? I'm genuinely curious.

- Is it true Katie has had to block you on so many venues that you've resorted to messaging Dave and their friends demanding that they make her speak to you until they block you as well? (I am guessing this is true considering you seem to have only shown up here because she's been mentioned, which leads me to assume you found this thread via search engine while trying to dig up more methods of reaching out to her.)
She wants nothing to do with me.
- Is it true that your relationship with Katie was founded on the fact you were threatening suicide over your previous online girlfriend leaving you, she felt bad for you, and then when she became scared of how clingy you were and tried to escape, you amped up the suicide threats and emotional manipulation to the point of openly encouraging strangers on a message board to harass her on your behalf?
Yes, it is. I was 16 and stupid.
- Is it true several artists will no longer accept commissions from you because of your relentless harassment and creepy behavior?
There are two sides to every story. I've burned bridges with a few artists over the years.
- Did you seriously commission porn of Katie's character by lying to artists that you had her permission, and then cry to her about how you basically did nothing wrong because you were just trying to move on and cope with the pain she'd caused you by breaking up with you over 20 fucking years ago?
I never lied to anyone.
If even half of this is true, it's no real wonder why she sees a human trainwreck like Dave as a sane partner by comparison. Jesus fucking christ, get help.
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So what are you looking for?

Tell us what you think she sees in Dave and why she would still be with him despite the obvious fact that he is a nutcase. Does he have some kind of immense cult like magnetism?

Or perhaps his....unique...singing voice?
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My behavior back then probably drove her to someone, who in comparison, is way worse than anything I ever did. I feel bad about it.
 
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Cyberwuffy said:
My behavior back then probably drove her to someone, who in comparison, is way worse than anything I ever did. I feel bad about it.
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I don't think you do. Because if you did, you'd learn to leave her the fuck alone and stop making her feel uncomfortable with your relentless stalking.

Don't you think Katie's got enough on her plate putting up with her emotionally negligent, perverted, lazy husband on top of watching her online footsteps because her demented ex is trying to use every avenue possible to contact her?

If I was in her position I'd be contemplating offing myself. I'm serious, Apparently she had a pretty shitty upbringing as well. She's got more fucking balls than you and Dave combined to have kept going.

You were very vague and avoidant with Cortizone's questions, which leads me to believe that yes, you are indeed guilty of the incidents mentioned but don't have the guts to own up to them fully.

Enjoy being alone, you sad sack.
 
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She wants nothing to do with me.

Clearly. So, with that in mind, what do you get out of continuing to hassle her? Is it a power trip for you or something? A normal person attempting to contact someone from their past and being met with a block would logically assume "They must not want to talk to me" and get over it. Even if you stretch the realm of what's acceptable, assume the block was in error, and try again on another name just to be blocked there as well, how do you justify continuing beyond that? At this point you even admit she doesn't want to hear from you, so go away. Forget she ever existed like she's clearly been trying to do regarding you.


Yes, it is. I was 16 and stupid.

I could allow you this as we were all melodramatic assholes as teenagers. However, your behavior up to this point leads me to believe you have learned nothing and changed little (if at all). Fuck off.


There are two sides to every story. I've burned bridges with a few artists over the years.

So you've been offputting enough to make people no longer want to associate with you even on a strictly-business level. I had asked because I wondered if you focused this kind of obsessive creepiness exclusively on your ex or if this is just how you treat anyone who's halfway-decent to you on the internet. Get offline, and get help.


I never lied to anyone.

However, you DID think it was acceptable to take the character that represents a woman who wants nothing to do with you, pay people to draw pictures of your fursona fucking that character, and then post it online with the intention of her seeing it so you could proceed to make her resulting upset all about you?

Well, thank god you didn't LIE to anyone, at least.


My behavior back then probably drove her to someone, who in comparison, is way worse than anything I ever did. I feel bad about it.

Given, I've found myself in awe of some of the shit Dave has gotten away with regarding his marriage, I'm severely doubting that he's the greater evil in this scenario. Dave may be disgusting, but as far as I know, he at least is able to summon enough basic human decency to leave people alone who do not want contact with him. YOU, on the other hand, are honestly fucking scary.
 
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Not that I am disputing that Jack is a bad web comic, but how does Jack compare to modern bad web comics? Does Jack still live up to the hype on that front? I argue one thing Jack got going for is the simplistic cartoony art style. 90s furry art holds up better than tumblr and Twitter-era art. Even outside the edginess. Indie comics that have been published as Crossed surpassed the stuff Jack in terms of edgy writing. Maybe I have just been desensitized by the modern internet? Jack doesn't gross me out like he would in the early 2000s.
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Battlefield2142EU said:
Not that I am disputing that Jack is a bad web comic, but how does Jack compare to modern bad web comics? Does Jack still live up to the hype on that front? I argue one thing Jack got going for is the simplistic cartoony art style. 90s furry art holds up better than tumblr and Twitter-era art. Even outside the edginess. Indie comics that have been published as Crossed surpassed the stuff Jack in terms of edgy writing. Maybe I have just been desensitized by the modern internet? Jack doesn't gross me out like he would in the early 2000s. View attachment 4171064
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I dunno. Starting off the webcomic with one of your main characters getting aborted is still a really high bar.
 
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Mikoyan said:
I dunno. Starting off the webcomic with one of your main characters getting aborted is still a really high bar.
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True, but Dave Hopkins comes across self-aware enough that he knows he is intentionally being edgy. We have stuff like the Zootopia abortion comic where the creator was so mad that people found Nick Wilde sympathetic to the point of the sequel comics about Judy Hopps cucking Nick with a lesbian fox and later getting assassinated JFK style. Jack feels like a more innocent autism. Maybe it's because I haven't noticed Jack having an oblivious self insert yet? Like something from Linkara The Lightbringer or Chris-Chan sonichu. I expected so much more from Jack with it's reputation. I find the real life Dave Hopkins drama more interesting than the comic itself so far.
 
Before there was a coordinated lolcow observation culture with the rise of CWC in 2007, the closest thing I knew about to the concept of lolcow that people online laughed about, the original OG, was Dave Hopkins.

You can make the case that y2k and before furry art was better compared to whats happening now (I honestly couldnt help you there since my awareness of this subculture dries up in the mid 2000s save my morbid fascination with these oldschool furcows ultimate fates today) but that doesnt mean *Jack* will age better. Jack is basically if Smurf in Hand was into Tiny Toons and Dante's Inferno cliffs notes for Dummies instead of Smurfs. The art is awful by any times' standards and the storytelling is part Chic Tract part Assigned Male with a values reversal and somehow extruded through Ed Piskor's macabre interests (Piskor is actually good btw).

Like, fucking RH Junior's middle school binder art-tier doodles of rush limbaugh loving fox versions of Chance Cyrax Wilkins in that same era are newspaper publishable art compared to Hopkins's Jack.
 
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Before there was a coordinated lolcow observation culture with the rise of CWC in 2007, the closest thing I knew about to the concept of lolcow that people online laughed about, the original OG, was Dave Hopkins.

You can make the case that y2k and before furry art was better compared to whats happening now (I honestly couldnt help you there since my awareness of this subculture dries up in the mid 2000s save my morbid fascination with these oldschool furcows ultimate fates today) but that doesnt mean *Jack* will age better. Jack is basically if Smurf in Hand was into Tiny Toons and Dante's Inferno cliffs notes for Dummies instead of Smurfs. The art is awful by any times' standards and the storytelling is part Chic Tract part Assigned Male with a values reversal and somehow extruded through Ed Piskor's macabre interests (Piskor is actually good btw).

Like, fucking RH Junior's middle school binder art-tier doodles of rush limbaugh loving fox versions of Chance Cyrax Wilkins in that same era are newspaper publishable art compared to Hopkins's Jack.
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lmao, RHJunior.

I can tell you about the Before Time a bit. The average quality was significantly lower than today: The top tier was about as good, but the average was lower. Lots of fucking fridge art.

Jack would not have been truly perceived as 'good art' when it came out, however. Most everyone who said YOU HAVE TO READ THIS said so about the demented story, not the drawing.
 
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Bubble Ba'ath said:
Before there was a coordinated lolcow observation culture with the rise of CWC in 2007, the closest thing I knew about to the concept of lolcow that people online laughed about, the original OG, was Dave Hopkins.

You can make the case that y2k and before furry art was better compared to whats happening now (I honestly couldnt help you there since my awareness of this subculture dries up in the mid 2000s save my morbid fascination with these oldschool furcows ultimate fates today) but that doesnt mean *Jack* will age better. Jack is basically if Smurf in Hand was into Tiny Toons and Dante's Inferno cliffs notes for Dummies instead of Smurfs. The art is awful by any times' standards and the storytelling is part Chic Tract part Assigned Male with a values reversal and somehow extruded through Ed Piskor's macabre interests (Piskor is actually good btw).

Like, fucking RH Junior's middle school binder art-tier doodles of rush limbaugh loving fox versions of Chance Cyrax Wilkins in that same era are newspaper publishable art compared to Hopkins's Jack.
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From what I saw, the first recorded internet dramas were all from the furry community. The furry community had drama and infamous people all the way back in the 70s and 80s. Fascinating how little has changed for the furry community. We could live in a post-nuclear war world and furries will still be sex weirdos.
 
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