DC American Airlines crash

[pikachudidnothingwrong]

The female pilot R.L. was a lesbian, and an official aide in the Biden administration. You can see her in videos helping the old raisin Ralph Lauren get a medal from Biden. The kicker here is who her father is. I'll let the autists do their own research on this one. Some wild theories out there including remote flying takeover just before the crash.

Called that i did. Don't mistake this for gloat or smugness.. more like depressive affirmation at this point.

Not only dei confirmed but cronyism as well.

 

[keke]

Called that i did. Don't mistake this for gloat or smugness.. more like depressive affirmation at this point.

Not only dei confirmed but cronyism as well.

The pilot was male. It is a male voice on the Blackhawk radio. It isn’t “depressive affirmation” you hysterical faggot, it’s making shit up to confirm your biases. The female was a co-pilot and not at fault.
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Anyway. For the non-retards. Some updates from the NTSB press conference and the Pilot Debrief channel (guy who has flown in that same airspace before and knows his shit) I previously linked.

THE CRJ PLANE: The airliner received a TCAS warning that there was traffic. The resolution warning is disabled at 1000ft to prevent false alarms, but the alert tfor general traffic did sound. In a busy airport that is tightly controlled, it’s possible crews have experienced this warning before and think nothing of it. A traffic warning does not mean anyone is on a collision path, it can mean there’s something below them etc. The crew may not have ignored the warning but it’s worth thinking about. The TCAS system worked as it should have though.

One second before impact they tried to increase pitch. May have seen the helicopter and tried to move.

THE HELICOPTER: We actually don’t know if the helicopter crew were using their night vision goggles. Previous reports said they were, but all we know for sure is that they had them, not if they used them.

Their route is a known helicopter path and always has a strict 200ft ceiling. ATC tower had them at 200, but this will need verified by the flight data recorder.

I watched the Pilot Debrief guy (has flown with night vision and at that airport) further talk about the fact the Blackhawk pilot should not have asked for visual separation because based on the information ATC gave him. They were 6 miles apart, and with or without night vision he probably could have seen the plane, but human depth perception is weak at night. That Blackhawk pilot also would’ve seen the lights from the 3 planes behind the one he crashed into—a visual separation request is totally inappropriate in that scenario. 6 miles away at night no pilot can say they can tell the difference between the CRJ closest to you and the Airbus behind it at 200ft above the ground—even with night vision goggles, impossible.

The Blackhawk pilot probably thought he’d just avoid all the lights from the planes, as he would be familiar with the airspace. But in a dense city environment, keeping track of the CRJ, the one ATC told him was closest, is very difficult. The lights blend in. All the pilots likely didn’t realise the CRJ was going to a different runway and assumed it was business as usual, even though ATC told them otherwise.

20 seconds before impact, the ATC guy senses something was wrong and asked them to confirm the visual. The Blackhawk confirmed it and requested visual separation. ATC then said okay, pass behind the CRJ. Then crashed.

They were probably looking at the 3 aircraft behind the CRJ, which were going to the same runway, rather than the CRJ which turned to go to a different one.

 

[polakrobak99]

The pilot was male. It is a male voice on the Blackhawk radio.

Stopped reading here, you're a moron, shut the fuck up.

 

[keke]

Stopped reading here, you're a moron, shut the fuck up.

YWNBAW

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

That's just false. Men on average are better drivers. At best women tend to drive slower so their accidents aren't as fatal.

What exactly are your objective measures for this? Men kill more people and have more serious accidents. On average, they make far worse errors of judgment and far more serious errors of execution.

Spoiler

Men are more likely to

• Drink and drive
• Drive while drowsy
• Cause fatal accidents
• Be unlicensed
• Speed
• Not wear seatbelts
• Drive trucks (which kill people)
• Get more traffic tickets and more often
• Engage in other high-risk activities while driving

Good driving habits are part of good driving, as is being sober, being alert, learning the rules of the road/being able to pass a driving test, focusing, and being aware of your surroundings.

If you're driving at a rate or in a way that you can't handle your vehicle, you're not as good a driver as you think. Part of being good at things is knowing how good (or not) you actually are.

I hope you drive better than you research and reason.

Gifrel:

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

What exactly are your objective measures for this?

I have been in a car multiple times while a woman was driving.

For a slightly less humorous answer, if women were better drivers you'd think they'd be a majority of race car drivers. Unlike usual sports you don't even have a clear physical difference to explain it.

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

I have been in a car multiple times while a woman was driving.
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For a slightly less humorous answer, if women were better drivers you'd think they'd be a majority of race car drivers. Unlike usual sports you don't even have a clear physical difference to explain it.

Race car driving is due to being willing to take more risks and doesn't actually have anything to do with how good females are or aren't at driving.

All you retards arguing about women vs. men drivers are retarded. Look at this hastily drawn graph:


The worst of the men drivers fucking die leaving the survivors to be better drivers on average than women. So yes, the men (who lived) are on average more likely to be better drivers because bad women drivers are less likely to die because of their bad driving.

Anecdotal evidence: My wife has totaled 3 cars, but survived every single wreck with many small fender benders. I have been in a single fender bender because I didn't notice traffic fast enough. My truck was unharmed, but the person behind me poked a hole in their bumper with my hitch.

Now then, WHAT THE FUCK DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH HELICOPTERS!?

 

[ExsanguinateHorizon]

I'd really like the military to explain why the helicopter route had to be way, maybe I'm ignorant of details or procedure but it seems so unnecessarily dangerous. Are they not allowed to go around or something, do they absolutely have to go through all that plane traffic? Iirc that specific airport already had ongoing issues from overworked ATCs

 

[keke]

I'd really like the military to explain why the helicopter route had to be way, maybe I'm ignorant of details or procedure but it seems so unnecessarily dangerous. Are they not allowed to go around or something, do they absolutely have to go through all that plane traffic?

The route is well-known and has been used a lot, there’s a strict 200ft ceiling which I imagine is for safety and the reason they’re there is to get experience in a busy airspace. But who knows. The pilot fuck up was so bad, I imagine it will lead to actual change. The route itself is a set one, so yes they have to share that busy airspace. They can always get instructions from ATC on how to avoid the traffic, where to go, etc. Sad all round.

 

[Stiffy]

YWNBAW

Hey sperg, that is a wrong answer. The DEI woman Captain R.L. had the stick during the doomed flight! CWO A.E. was the co-pilot (instructor) and also did the talking to ATC, and the SSGt was behind them as the crew chief.
However you want to spin it faggot that chopper flew deliberately into the airliner above it's maximum allowed ceiling on that common military rout which is 200 ft. Now whether she did it intentionally like a kamikaze, faulty altimeter, or they lost manual control due to nefarious remote takeover is still unknown. The altimeter at the bottom of the Potomac will be a key piece of evidence. Don't expect the Army to be forthcoming to the public anytime soon due to who she was connected to. *source former military

 

[keke]

Hey sperg, that is a wrong answer. The DEI woman Captain R.L. had the stick during the doomed flight! CWO A.E. was the co-pilot (instructor) and also did the talking to ATC, and the SSGt was behind them as the crew chief.
However you want to spin it faggot that chopper flew deliberately into the airliner above it's maximum allowed ceiling on that common military rout which is 200 ft. Now whether she did it intentionally like a kamikaze, faulty altimeter, or they lost manual control due to nefarious remote takeover is still unknown. The altimeter at the bottom of the Potomac will be a key piece of evidence. Don't expect the Army to be forthcoming to the public anytime soon due to who she was connected to. *source former military

All you newfag ape tards are so funny, because you think that the male voice on the radio requesting visual only separation when he never, ever, should have even considered that. Not when flying around close traffic.

I don’t care if she had the control stick inside her fucking vagina, I’m not here for gender war bullshit like you hysterical queers. It was a multi-factorial accident that had one main factor which was the man who thought he could tell the lights of a CRJ apart from every other light in the sky and ground. It sounds like his training was shit, and recommendations will be made on that.

Never once said she didn’t touch the stick. If she was the co-pilot, they can be given flight controls by the pilot at any time, who can also take them back. That is not and was never the point. That’s not how these incidents work. You probably know that deep down, but all your cock sucking has led to severe oxygen deprivation, so the necrotic tissue in your brain makes it hard to think logically.

 

[Da Capo]

Can we please not derail this thread into gender wars sperging? Every time this thread gets updated, I expect updates, but instead, I get spergs slapfighting.

 

[keke]

Can we please not derail this thread into gender wars sperging? Every time this thread gets updated, I expect updates, but instead, I get spergs slapfighting.

That’s you, right now, contributing nothing. Correcting the constant attempts at politicisation of this tragedy is worthwhile. Less slap fighting, more people that didn’t read the thread post in the same shit over and over about muh women

Anyway, NTSB update as of 7 Feb. They got the helicopter recovered from the ocean and are comparing it with another Blackhawk. If people are waiting for the final report, those take 1-2 years. ATC radar is not as accurate as the helicopter in-flight data, which they haven’t analysed yet, so speculating on height is pointless outside of establishing the intended route.

 

[Stiffy]

All you newfag ape tards are so funny, because you think that the male voice on the radio requesting visual only separation when he never, ever, should have even considered that. Not when flying around close traffic.

I don’t care if she had the control stick inside her fucking vagina, I’m not here for gender war bullshit like you hysterical queers. It was a multi-factorial accident that had one main factor which was the man who thought he could tell the lights of a CRJ apart from every other light in the sky and ground. It sounds like his training was shit, and recommendations will be made on that.

Never once said she didn’t touch the stick. If she was the co-pilot, they can be given flight controls by the pilot at any time, who can also take them back. That is not and was never the point. That’s not how these incidents work. You probably know that deep down, but all your cock sucking has led to severe oxygen deprivation, so the necrotic tissue in your brain makes it hard to think logically.

Excuse me what branch of miltary service did you serve in Keke?
Yeah thought so, you're just an autistic retard who knows a lot of minutiae.
Why don't you go talk to an actual person who has flown in a Blackhawk as I have many times sperg, then you can have some credibility on the subject. The mentally disordered lezbo cunt Captain (PIC) PILOT IN COMMAND steered at an upward angle into that plane at the last second, the video evidence is crystal clear on that fact. BTW where is the CWO's body? There's a cover up going on 100%

 

[Poz My Neg Hole!]

Woman pilot of the army chopper is to blame 100%

 

[Prööt :DD]

Resurrecting this thread, since the NTSB released their preliminary report and recommendations involving the accident, and I just want to vent a bit. It pretty much confirmed what we already know, that the blackhawk crew (PAT25) deviated above the altitude restriction of their planned helicopter route (Route 4) that already has a very slim margin for error when there is traffic landing on Runway 33. Report is linked below if you want to read it for yourself, or just watch one of the hundred aviation youtube channels that have already summarized it.

Aviation Investigation Report AIR-25-01

Key Takeaways so far:
- FAA followed the recommendation to prohibit Route 4 operations between Hains Point (due East of DCA) and Wilson Bridge (~2 miles south of DCA) when Runway 15/33 is in use, barring exceptions like medivac or presidential transport
- Possible inaccurate readouts from PAT25's barometric altimeters (instrument that reads altitude above sea level), a big deal with the high potential of traffic conflict along that section of Route 4
- Investigation hasn't yet delved into other causal or contributing factors for the accident, so analysis into crew experience/performance history/toxicology/etc. from either aircraft or ATC manning issues weren't discussed

Also want to add some points of my own in response to pretty common questions/concerns that I've seen thrown around social media:

1) Why was PAT25 performing a military training flight at night in such busy airspace?
They were flying a periodic checkride for the Capt pilot with the CWO2 pilot acting as evaluator pilot. Military aircrew are required to be evaluated, typically annually, to ensure they are capable of performing their crew duties safely and effectively and execute the basic mission set of their aircraft without the need for excessive intervention. For example, a pilot eval might consist of doing various instrument procedures and landings with low-level navigation.

The overall idea of military flying training is to "train how you fly", and it makes sense to not expose pilots to brand-new procedures in an operational environment where failure is less of an option. In this case, the Capt pilot was likely being evaluated on her capability to navigate at night through the Washington DC airspace, which is the same airspace her unit is assigned to fly through every day for Continuity of Government Operations. You can't evaluate a pilot's ability to fly that specific mission set by flying around farm fields in Nebraska for the sole purpose of lowering risk of traffic conflict. Again, train how you fly.

2) Why were they flying with NVGs on such a clear night? Don't the NVGs restrict their vision to only 40° FOV?
Most military pilots are trained on using NVGs as visual aids when flying at night. If you live near an Air Force base and there are planes flying around at night, they are most likely flying under NVGs. When trained, a mil pilot can do all the same things they do during the day (takeoff/land, fly low-level, shoot weapons), but now at night when completely under NVGs. Also, flying at such low altitudes as 100-200' over water at night can create a really nasty visual "blackhole" effect, where it becomes really difficult to visually gauge your altitude. NVGs can really help mitigate night visual illusions, so it's almost universally preferred to fly with them, especially when doing low-level visual navigation.

Mil aviation has also pretty much standardized on the AN/AVS-6 or -9, which have incredibly high-fidelity and auto-gain systems that allow you to use them during the day if you really wanted to, so flying around even a dense city like DC under NVGs is non-issue. Do they have only 40° FOV through the lenses? Yes. Do they restrict your peripheral vision? No. The eyepieces don't cover your eyes, peripheral vision is almost completely unobstructed, and you can peek around the lenses to see instrument panels if needed. Can the lenses still get bloomed out by staring straight at a super-bright airplane landing light? Sure, but in this case it wasn't a factor due to PAT25's relative angle off the CRJ.

3) Whose fault was it?
For crashes like the 2015 Germanwings Bane impersonator, the answer is pretty obvious. For most other accidents like this, the answer is always more layered than simply blaming one person. In this case, the majority of the blame can be placed on the crew of PAT25, though ATC procedures played a contribution.

PAT25 had 3 crew: the CWO2 evaluator pilot, the Capt pilot, and a crew chief. The CWO2 was most likely the Pilot in Command (PIC) being the evaluator, meaning that the overall responsibility for the execution and safety of the flight lies with him, regardless of whether or not he's on the controls. Highest pilot qualification, not rank, is the primary method for determining PIC, though this can change depending on crew complement and mission. This is standard practice in all of aviation, military or civil.

We know the end result of the accident, that the helo deviated from an altitude restriction and flew through the glidepath of R33 at the worst possible time with the Capt at the controls. The CWO2 also didn't intervene in any way, likely because he also didn't notice the impending collision, but he also didn't correct the Capt for being off altitude. What led up to this pilot deviation is still under investigation by the NTSB, and I'm certain the Army Safety office is doing their own as well. Task saturation, external distraction, target fixation, or lack of intervention from the CWO2 pilot could all be named as causal factors.

Can we blame ATC for allowing this situation to happen in the first place? Maybe, but there was no procedure in place to stop Route 4 ops to give way for R33 traffic at the time. Also, ATC aren't the ones flying the aircraft. If a pilot states that they have positively acquired a traffic conflict and requests visual separation, ATC can't play the role of a lie-detector and verify on the pilot's behalf. The controller is supposed to trust that these trained and qualified pilots are capable enough see and avoid other aircraft, while also abiding by their altitude restriction. There was no way for the tower controller to see this collision happening until the fireball.

4) lol, woman pilot!
I'll just refer to what I previously wrote about the responsibility of PIC. Regardless of the experience-level or speculated proficiency of the Capt pilot, a blackhawk is a crew aircraft, and everyone on board is responsible for its safe operation with the buck ultimately stopping at the CWO2 evaluator, who happened to be male. For any number of reasons, both the Capt and CWO2 pilots nor the crew chief didn't recognize their impending doom. Pointing the chud's finger solely at women in aviation is just a distraction, flying hasn't become as safe as it is today due to investigators determining causes of plane crashes as "erm... fucking F*MOIDS amirite".

Just felt the need to post my thoughts somewhere, and Xitter is gay and retarded.