DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

[Basic Blond Boy]

I never understood the DCEU and DCU plans. Well, I do, they were stupid, but why they didn't flat-out copy the original phases of the MCU.

WB got caught off guard by the Avengers success and were playing catch-up. Man of Steel came out after the first Avengers and did ok at best. Warner wanted to speedrun Justice League because it would mean more money, so next was BvS, which has to make more, it has the Trinity in it. After that Suicide Squad which would be both their Guardians of The Galaxy and a mass money maker due to Harley. WW got a solo film before JL given that it would be the first female lead movie, then JL would make WB top dollar.

There was never a plan. WB just went with wherever the money was. They at first wanted to do the Nolan styled MCU, but when that fell apart, they tried to morph the DCEU into the MCU tonally.

The entire universe was a mess from start to finish as no one had a vision for these films. Zach will get a lot of praise, but he too had no real long term plan for DC. Zach hated superheroes and just wanted to turn everything into Watchmen, making him unfit to lead the universe. After Zach, no one wanted to take the helm till Gunn, making the entire series aimless.

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

WB got caught off guard by the Avengers success and were playing catch-up. Man of Steel came out after the first Avengers and did ok at best. Warner wanted to speedrun Justice League because it would mean more money, so next was BvS, which has to make more, it has the Trinity in it. After that Suicide Squad which would be both their Guardians of The Galaxy and a mass money maker due to Harley. WW got a solo film before JL given that it would be the first female lead movie, then JL would make WB top dollar.

There was never a plan. WB just went with wherever the money was. They at first wanted to do the Nolan styled MCU, but when that fell apart, they tried to morph the DCEU into the MCU tonally.

The entire universe was a mess from start to finish as no one had a vision for these films. Zach will get a lot of praise, but he too had no real long term plan for DC. Zach hated superheroes and just wanted to turn everything into Watchmen, making him unfit to lead the universe. After Zach, no one wanted to take the helm till Gunn, making the entire series aimless.

Wanna say, you are absolutely right about all of this. I do know WB and Snyder were dimwits with WB's lack of planning and Snyder's obsession with grimderp edginess.

But the bolded struck at me. If I was somehow in charge of both DC and Marvel's early phases, before movie corporatism truly destroyed the native flavoring and culture of the comics.... the irony is I'd say DCEU's attempted trajectory of "solo film > team-up > full team film" progression sounds more like how Marvel would be - with its traditional focus on teams and ensembles - while the MCU's "solo heroes get one film each > cap the phase off with a full team film" sounds much more like how DC would "traditionally" do it - with the solo JL'ers creatively stronger individually than their sum as the team - as I keep stressing. It's just such a fascinating irony, you know?

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

But the bolded struck at me. If I was somehow in charge of both DC and Marvel's early phases, before movie corporatism truly destroyed the native flavoring and culture of the comics.... the irony is I'd say DCEU's attempted trajectory of "solo film > team-up > full team film" progression sounds more like how Marvel would be - with its traditional focus on teams and ensembles - while the MCU's "solo heroes get one film each > cap the phase off with a full team film" sounds much more like how DC would "traditionally" do it - with the solo JL'ers creatively stronger individually than their sum as the team - as I keep stressing. It's just such a fascinating irony, you know?

Yeah, that is the weird thing about DC/Marvel on film. They are essentially opposites to their comic versions. Even in design, DC went from having a fantastical world to grim dark realism, whereas Marvel went from “the heroes you can see out your window,” to an arguably high fantasy setting with little connection to the ‘real world’ past Iron Man. It is bizzare how it all worked out.

 

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

Creature commando comically flopped hard. WB would be insane to keep the show as an important canon part of the DCU. Even Star Wars acolyte has a bigger fanbase.

I see that /co/ tards don't watch the shows that they fawn over

 

[Mystery Spy]

WB got caught off guard by the Avengers success and were playing catch-up. Man of Steel came out after the first Avengers and did ok at best. Warner wanted to speedrun Justice League because it would mean more money, so next was BvS, which has to make more, it has the Trinity in it. After that Suicide Squad which would be both their Guardians of The Galaxy and a mass money maker due to Harley. WW got a solo film before JL given that it would be the first female lead movie, then JL would make WB top dollar.

There was never a plan. WB just went with wherever the money was. They at first wanted to do the Nolan styled MCU, but when that fell apart, they tried to morph the DCEU into the MCU tonally.

The entire universe was a mess from start to finish as no one had a vision for these films. Zach will get a lot of praise, but he too had no real long term plan for DC. Zach hated superheroes and just wanted to turn everything into Watchmen, making him unfit to lead the universe. After Zach, no one wanted to take the helm till Gunn, making the entire series aimless.

The entire story of the DC Comics brand can be summed up as this: talented creators crafting half of the most iconic characters in pop culture, not to mention the amazing stories some of them have made. while WB executives work tirelessly to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. It's almost impressive how they consistently fumble with IPs that are basically literal money-printing machines.

All the success DC has ever had has been despite the people that own all those characters.

 

[Battlefield2142EU]

I see that /co/ tards don't watch the shows that they fawn over

/co/ is The same community that was damaging control HBO watchmen even after Alan Moore trashed the show. It wasn’t even a full year until geek culture journalists admit the show flopped hard.

 

[Mystery Spy]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=BiXgTJwNXQIhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=kCYHOlevtM0https://youtube.com/watch?v=fkUHeEqA6tsCreature commando just revealed the DCU Batman and I can't find a single YouTube video talking about it that has over 100K views. Creature commando comically flopped hard. WB would be insane to keep the show as an important canon part of the DCU. Even Star Wars acolyte has a bigger fanbase.

Speaking of Creature Commandos even if it had been good, it was a bad idea doomed from the start.

I know James Gunn is chasing that sweet dopamine high of making C-list characters popular again, just like he did with Guardians. And sure, it worked in the MCU—because they had to make it work. Marvel was desperate. They didn’t have Spider-Man or the X-Men back then, so they had to gamble on what they had.

But DC? DC has the opposite problem. Their A-listers—and even the B-listers—are just sitting there, underused and neglected. Well, except for Batman (and related characters), who's been single-handedly carrying the entire DC franchise on his back for years.

The biggest advantage of leading DC is having access to some of the most coveted characters in pop culture.So instead of focusing on making the A-material profitable, Gunn is wasting time on C-listers for no real reason. This project might have made sense later—after other popular characters had their turn. But right now? Instead of fixing stuff people actually care about, he is focusing on leftover characters that failed to be popular, and OCs of public domain characters.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

WB got caught off guard by the Avengers success

the ironic part is that WB almost made Justice League back in 2007, the writers strike destroyed it. They had the fury road guy directing and outside of neck snap killing WW or Superman it was a great script with a cast of extreme unknowns. only Adam Brody as the first flash who sacrifices himself is a legit star by this point, but everyone was in some great movies further down the pipeline. If i was WB i'd have let George go through with it, you have two options 1. it flops and sours people on the avengers or 2. it does well and now everyone says the avengers is a knock off.

plus they can do solo films/prequels if the film does well. looking back the MCU basically designed the Avengers so even if you didn't see any of the other films you'd understand everything, and in terms of box office, its clear most people were going in fresh. in fact because of the plot holes in Thor or Hulk, you'd actually be better off not having seen any other phase one film besides Iron Man 1+2 before showing up for this film.

in general every non-Stark Phase 1 and 2 film sort of sucked, the only exception being Winter Soldier and GOTG. in general Stark carries the entire universe, spiderman is basically his sidekick, captain america 3 revolves around him and despite there being 4 Thor films only the 3rd one is well liked.

i think thats why no other cinematic universe has done well, RDJ is the secret sauce take him out of the equation and the MCU is more miss than hits.

Which in hindsight sort of makes the idea of starting with the team up make more sense. that way if someone does end up being the "star" you can shove him in everyone else's films. i remember when hulk came out every fucking commercial and trailer had the RDJ cameo in it.

Basically there's some universe out there where WB doesn't love to fuck over George Miller and everything works out way better, he makes justice league, they let him continue his mad max and furiosa films, and he ends up being a great advisor to whomever they put in charge of the rest of the DCU.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

@Get the rope Macaulay! Not to mention, that at the time, Justice League had the advantage of having more name recognition than the Avengers did so there was no need to build up the films for them.

But now WB's retardation with Snyder and fucking him over combined with Snyder's own idiocy has forced them to take an MCU approach.

The Justice League unfortunately is not as popular as it was back in the 2000s because the Avengers have taken up the image of the iconic Superhero team.

Speaking of Creature Commandos even if it had been good, it was a bad idea doomed from the start.

I know James Gunn is chasing that sweet dopamine high of making C-list characters popular again, just like he did with Guardians. And sure, it worked in the MCU—because they had to make it work. Marvel was desperate. They didn’t have Spider-Man or the X-Men back then, so they had to gamble on what they had.

But DC? DC has the opposite problem. Their A-listers—and even the B-listers—are just sitting there, underused and neglected. Well, except for Batman (and related characters), who's been single-handedly carrying the entire DC franchise on his back for years.

The biggest advantage of leading DC is having access to some of the most coveted characters in pop culture.So instead of focusing on making the A-material profitable, Gunn is wasting time on C-listers for no real reason. This project might have made sense later—after other popular characters had their turn. But right now? Instead of fixing stuff people actually care about, he is focusing on leftover characters that failed to be popular, and OCs of public domain characters.

I think if I remember correctly, Creature Commandos was something Gunn had already been working on before he was put in charge of DC so it makes sense, but yeah they really need to focus their efforts on the Non-Batman A-List characters.

Superman is slowly gaining back recognition with the TV Shows like My Adventures with Superman and Lois & Clark along with memes, but that movie is going to really determine Superman's place in pop culture more than DC's standing as a movie studio.

The 2010s treated Superman so terribly by tarnishing his image with making him a brooding edgelord or worse making him a monster. Like even if Gunn's Superman movie isn't the best thing in the world, as long as his Superman is actually good that could hopefully help fix the damage done from all the edgy crap.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Zach will get a lot of praise, but he too had no real long term plan for DC.

Oh, Snyder had a plan for DC alright--he had an entire roadmap set up for his Justice League sequels as soon as Nolan bowed out post-MOS and WB handed him full creative reigns for their tentpole crossover films. You can read his full 12-page pitch from 2014 here, but I'll just warn you now, they sound fucking terrible.

The big emotional core of the films is a redemption arc for Batman after he and Lois engage in an affair resulting in the latter being pregnant with Bruce Wayne's child, culminating in a plotline where Aquaman and Wonder Woman get killed off (just like Supergirl and Dick Grayson before them in MOS and BvS respectively), so Batman leads a post-apocalyptic depowered resistance against a brainwashed Superman, send the Flash back in time to warn his younger self (which is what the "I'm Too Soon" scene in BvS was hinting at), resulting in the past Batman nobly sacrificing himself and being the namesake for Superman's cuckold son...who then grows up to be a Kryptonian Batman.

Yes, that was actually the original plan. Batman cucks Superman and becomes the "REAL, TRUE SAVIOR" of the DC universe.

And for any of Snyder's simps who will ride up to this thread, desperately trying to claim that "this was only the first pitch, Snyder wasn't going to include the cuckold storyline in the final draft"--this was his intention from the beginning, and he's been open about the fact that not only did he fight WB to include it, but has stated in interviews that he'd still include it in new Justice League sequels if he could. This was his pure, unfiltered vision, and something he'd still happily do if there was no one to tard wrangle him.

James Gunn could literally have Superman enter a unicycle competition with Bizarro and Mr Mxyzptlk in his movie, and it still wouldn't be as atrocious as disgraceful as Snyder's "vision" for Superman. Not surprising, considering Snyder has been pretty open about how the only comics he vaguely cared for were issues of Heavy Metal Magazine (and even then, literally just for their gore and boobs), and made creative choices throughout his DC films motivated by insecurity over the fact that Batman and Superman are comic characters that needed to be taken more seriously than they historically have--which is why he had them barely converse with each other in BvS, since according to him, "these characters would lose credibility the longer they were on-screen and conversed in costume".

He was a horrendous choice for these characters from day one, and WB's only mistake was not booting his ass out the door sooner.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

He was a horrendous choice for these characters from day one,

while true, the question is 1. why was he picked and 2. who were the alternatives. say one day Zach Snyder kills himself and his family and the year is currently 2010, who was next on WB's list

and even then, literally just for their gore and boobs)

well thats clearly not true either. we got no gore, and WW is a chestlet who has no hips either and a weirdly shaped skull meaning they had to change her entire costume because Zach had a crush on her.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

while true, the question is 1. why was he picked

He gained good will from 300 and Watchmen

 

[Doctor of Autism]

while true, the question is 1. why was he picked and 2. who were the alternatives. say one day Zach Snyder kills himself and his family and the year is currently 2010, who was next on WB's list

1. Zach was picked because as the poster above me said, it's because of 300 and Watchmen. Not to mention WB wanted the gritty route because the Dark Knight trilogy was really popular so Zach was good for that. Unfortunately, this gritty idea does not really work with Superman especially since he's not a gritty character. Like he can be a beam of sunshine in a dark world but Snyder was an edgelord who seemed more interesting in tearing down Superman as a hero.

2. WB would've probably begged Christopher Nolan since they tried multiple times to tie his interpretation of Batman to the DCEU but both Chris and Bale refused. Other likely bets would've been Ben Affleck or Joss Whedon, and if neither of them WB would've tried getting anyone from Marvel. It's funny how they kinda got their wish but it was after The Rock and the previous WB higher ups already burned the last remnants of the DCEU so it is getting rebooted. The funniest thing about the DCU was that James Gunn is not even the first choice since David Zaslav begged Kevin Feige to take the job.

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

The big emotional core of the films is a redemption arc for Batman after he and Lois engage in an affair resulting in the latter being pregnant with Bruce Wayne's child, culminating in a plotline where Aquaman and Wonder Woman get killed off (just like Supergirl and Dick Grayson before them in MOS and BvS respectively), so Batman leads a post-apocalyptic depowered resistance against a brainwashed Superman, send the Flash back in time to warn his younger self (which is what the "I'm Too Soon" scene in BvS was hinting at), resulting in the past Batman nobly sacrificing himself and being the namesake for Superman's cuckold son...who then grows up to be a Kryptonian Batman.

Yes, that was actually the original plan. Batman cucks Superman and becomes the "REAL, TRUE SAVIOR" of the DC universe.

And for any of Snyder's simps who will ride up to this thread, desperately trying to claim that "this was only the first pitch, Snyder wasn't going to include the cuckold storyline in the final draft"--this was his intention from the beginning, and he's been open about the fact that not only did he fight WB to include it, but has stated in interviews that he'd still include it in new Justice League sequels if he could. This was his pure, unfiltered vision, and something he'd still happily do if there was no one to tard wrangle him.

Not only are you correct, but Snyder made t-shirts with a visual of his plan. Which means one can wear Bat-jizz on their person. Snyderverse, everyone!

 

[GlupShitto]

The new Superman movie is being made just to be a meta commentary on The Boys. Ultra Man is the main villain of the film and is designed to look like Black Noir, rather than the Superman knock-off from the comics.
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If I had to take a guess, the film is just going to be a bastardized Superman vs The Elite, except replace the Elite with Ultraman/Bizarro and the Authority as the edgy superheroes that kill.

The sad part is, in a way, I actually like a lot of the ideas, but I hate how this movie seems like an abomination of mashing shit together. Superman vs The Elite would be a great 2nd movie, pushing Superman’s character to remain consistent to the first in a world that is blatantly trying to move away from him. But I feel you need a first movie to establish the public liking him, which makes the plot of SvE work as people start to see the errors of violence when it is dished out on Superman.

Bizarro would honestly be a great first villain as you have someone as strong as Clark, but heavily deserving of Superman’s kindness. Clark usually has to use his head to deal with Bizarro as getting into a fist fight won‘t really accomplish much. Honestly, just make Bizarro like STAS and you can easily get around the Superman fighting a tard. A Frankensteins monster that, while confused, can be reasoned with and gets his big hero moment by the end.

That's pretty obviously based on Doomsday's containment suit with the retarded goggles and full body covering

 

[God of Nothing]

The big emotional core of the films is a redemption arc for Batman after he and Lois engage in an affair resulting in the latter being pregnant with Bruce Wayne's child, culminating in a plotline where Aquaman and Wonder Woman get killed off (just like Supergirl and Dick Grayson before them in MOS and BvS respectively), so Batman leads a post-apocalyptic depowered resistance against a brainwashed Superman, send the Flash back in time to warn his younger self (which is what the "I'm Too Soon" scene in BvS was hinting at), resulting in the past Batman nobly sacrificing himself and being the namesake for Superman's cuckold son...who then grows up to be a Kryptonian Batman.

what the fuck

Not only are you correct, but Snyder made t-shirts with a visual of his plan. Which means one can wear Bat-jizz on their person. Snyderverse, everyone!

>he's not exaggerating
dude
what the fuck

i have unironically read fanfiction better than this

 

[OutInTheRain]

The big emotional core of the films is a redemption arc for Batman after he and Lois engage in an affair resulting in the latter being pregnant with Bruce Wayne's child, culminating in a plotline where Aquaman and Wonder Woman get killed off (just like Supergirl and Dick Grayson before them in MOS and BvS respectively), so Batman leads a post-apocalyptic depowered resistance against a brainwashed Superman, send the Flash back in time to warn his younger self (which is what the "I'm Too Soon" scene in BvS was hinting at), resulting in the past Batman nobly sacrificing himself and being the namesake for Superman's cuckold son...who then grows up to be a Kryptonian Batman.

This is terrible, uniquely terrible. I thought it was an edgy Final Crisis thing they were going for. More proof that Snyder needs a tard wrangler at all times. How do you even sell that at a meeting?

"Listen, brain wave...what if Batman fucks Lois and Superman ends up raising his cuck baby?"

How does someone make that pitch and not get told to get the fuck out?

 

[Mary the Goldsmith]

And for any of Snyder's simps who will ride up to this thread

That would be me I guess. But in all seriousness despite enjoying the 3 Dc films made by him, I admit I never liked him killing Jimmy Olsen for the lulz (much less him now being a glowie) or the dead Robin being Dick instead of Todd. I agree with him needing to be heavily Tard-Wrangled because although I like the overall idea of Darkseid being the big bad, Batman sacrificing himself to stop him and didn't really mind the overall edgyness, it helped stand apart from the MCU.
The Cuck Kent storyline is something I will never even attempt to defend, that shit is retarded and I'm glad it never saw the light of day.

How does someone make that pitch and not get told to get the fuck out?

Its California, cucking a symbol of the USA probably makes them cum instantly.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

Yes, they wanted it to set up the DCU.

DKR was a dumpster fire because of that, Heath ascending to pure energy and the forced rewrites to excise Joker and probably also Nolan wanting out.

This. Apparently Nolan had plans to use the Joker again, but when Heath passed, that all got scrambled. He also was asked by WB to use The Riddler and cast Leo DiCaprio in it (lol).

Trying to get Nolan to start the DCEU was a mistake. Getting Zack Snyder to do a DCEU was a mistake too.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

The big emotional core of the films is a redemption arc for Batman after he and Lois engage in an affair resulting in the latter being pregnant with Bruce Wayne's child, culminating in a plotline where Aquaman and Wonder Woman get killed off (just like Supergirl and Dick Grayson before them in MOS and BvS respectively), so Batman leads a post-apocalyptic depowered resistance against a brainwashed Superman, send the Flash back in time to warn his younger self (which is what the "I'm Too Soon" scene in BvS was hinting at), resulting in the past Batman nobly sacrificing himself and being the namesake for Superman's cuckold son...who then grows up to be a Kryptonian Batman.

I uh
what
wait, why is Batman's son with Lois kryptonian?
I mean, there's lots of things that are stupid about that but that doesn't make any sense, was she also fucking Zod?