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To be fair, Selina’s been a mutt for years before that movie
Did that start after DC rebooted their comic line again? Catwoman was white in the Brave and the Bold series (which aired in 2011) and versions of the character being black were when continuity was not a thing (Eartha Kitt) or was a completely different character and not Selina (Halle Berry).
 
Did that start after DC rebooted their comic line again? Catwoman was white in the Brave and the Bold series (which aired in 2011) and versions of the character being black were when continuity was not a thing (Eartha Kitt) or was a completely different character and not Selina (Halle Berry).
It was very recent, and more adaptation than comic. The Batman was pretty largely responsible for streamlining it, but The LEGO Batman Movie, DC Super Hero Girls 2019, and Harley Quinn show all did it first.
 
Reeves Batman is more arrogant than stupid and again, I like that, you have to be arrogant to start doing what he does. That’s how I view the “rat” error he makes. It’s like Arkham Origins Bats, who is a similarly arrogant asshole.

Battinson is like Selina, the universe did fuck then both over, that’s true but both think they’re better than people who didn’t suffer, her “white man” comment and his shitty treatment of Alfred are the same thing. Bruce’s ego is less prominent than the Arkham Origins iteration but it’s still there.
Did that start after DC rebooted their comic line again? Catwoman was white in the Brave and the Bold series (which aired in 2011) and versions of the character being black were when continuity was not a thing (Eartha Kitt) or was a completely different character and not Selina (Halle Berry).
I didn’t mind it once we got to see Falcone and Detroit-Gotham. Totally believable that Falcone fucked a nigger whore and then went “lmao,” this is Jesus Quintana after all.

I dunno, I didn’t mind the raceswapping in the movie cause it was so close to how I want these characters to act that I can forgive it. Buddy-cop Batman and Gordon, Batman and Catwoman starting early into the career with the implication of this being a long-drawn out “thing” and not the one and done typical of the movies, Penguin being simultaneously the most disgusting and most persuasive bastard in the room and the general feeling that the city is hostile to everything and everyone in it. It’s not just a “rough town” it’s got a malice baked into the foundations, it’s dirty in a way that a hoarder house is, you wouldn’t even know where to start cleaning.
I'm calling things that will bomb at the box office for 500.
I hope so.
 
To be fair, Selina’s been a mutt for years before that movie. I dunno,

It was very recent, and more adaptation than comic. The Batman was pretty largely responsible for streamlining it, but The LEGO Batman Movie, DC Super Hero Girls 2019, and Harley Quinn show all did it first.
...But of course, damn it. Has Alfred been blacked as well lately?

her “white man” comment
To which he should have called her out instead of shutting up like a bitch.

It’s not just a “rough town” it’s got a malice baked into the foundations, it’s dirty in a way that a hoarder house is, you wouldn’t even know where to start cleaning.
Depends on the work, but sometimes Bats does make Gotham slightly better. Not sure what can he do if he couldn't even stop the city from being flooded. Unless the idea is to adapt the No Man's Land arc from the 90s, which would be something.
 
Depends on the work, but sometimes Bats does make Gotham slightly better. Not sure what can he do if he couldn't even stop the city from being flooded. Unless the idea is to adapt the No Man's Land arc from the 90s, which would be something.
That is pretty clearly where they are heading. Penguin carved out his own territory already by the end of his series.

It is also the only Batman story that gets adapted past The Long Halloween. Gotham, Harley Quinn and Arkham City, and technically DK Rises already took a swing at their own versions.

The real question is just the main villain of The Batman 2. Rumors had Freeze and Clayface pegged for a while, but recent casting is leading to Two Face.

But of course, damn it. Has Alfred been blacked as well lately?
No, but race swaps have been prevalent. LEGO keeps pushing Batgirl as Latina, both in the movie and in this new game. Had that film dropped, it also would have gone that direction. I also think that Bat Wheels show pushes it.

Gordon is black in film and the new LEGO game.

Two-Face sort of gets pushed for being black as a reference to Billy Dee Williams, also mainly LEGO.

Robin is just straight up Black in BatWheels, think they turned Duke into the main Robin.

Then, on a lesser note, they have been browning Talia and sometimes Damian to really play into the Arabic side.
 
If they wanted to do Clayface as a “lead” and a “sympathetic character,” they did the wrong one, which is expected because as we know, these people hate the material.
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If this had stayed a Reeves/Battisnson project, Ethan Bennett would’ve been the better Clayface to use. He was made before having “black version of character” was a political statement and from a series that in my opinion, had the best balance between grit, fun, adventure and pulp, one of the few that actually had a pretty well-adjusted Bruce who wasn’t a total boor.

An actor isn’t sympathetic, some prettyboy losing his looks is the stuff of chick drama. Killing Joke without Moore’s masturbation material? A genuinely idealistic and good person getting singled out and made an example of? That’s good. That would’ve fit the Battinson universe and been a good gateway for the “super-criminals” that Long Halloween heralds.

It’s not even losing his looks that destroys Ethan, it’s the world turning its back on him, the cops, society, the city itself is hostile to good men. Literally it’s just Batman at one point who holds barely a flicker of hope for Ethan and it’s rewarded. Just like the end of “The Batman,” where a Batman learns the lesson that he has to be more than a symbol of terror.

Ultimately, this is no different than Sony. Villian movies, without the hero are absurd. Better for streaming miniseries. I predict disaster.
Was not born yet for Batman the Animated Series, so for me the first thing I think of when I hear Clayface is the Lego Batman the Videogame.
 
The early “The Batman” is gold in terms of tone and what to do when following up an iconic series. Don’t be like it all outside the red night skies. He’s sleeker, faster and you would expect edgier cause of the 2000s…… but he’s not. The younger more “wink-wink” playboy Bruce Wayne who likes fast cars, basketball and models is one of the most level-headed Bruce iterations. Which is a bold defiance of one of the most universally canon works, Year One. I love it. The world of that Gotham is spikey, grotesque and hostile, Batman is not. He also killed Dracula like an absolute beast.
While it's far from my favorite Batman cartoon, it still had my favorite animated depiction of Alfred. While he still helps Bruce fight crime, he wishes that he would stop being Batman, which makes for an interesting dynamic. To me, The Batman was the show that best captured Alfred and Batman's father-son relationship.
Reeves was pretty obviously taking the “old guard is getting replaced by the super criminal” approach and “The Batman” was the last whimper of the mob.

Bats going full Golden Age Superman at the end is the “supervillains coming to kill Falcone” moment, the new breed is here and the old, the mobsters? The world they made is spitting out their opposition and replacements.

I think Clayface would’ve been a good showing of just horrifying the “super-criminal” would be.
Creature Commandos sort of did something like that with Doctor Phosphorus taking over Rupert Thorne's criminal empire.
having your protagonist raped and murdered for the wrong audience liking him in the first movie would ruin the second
Because it's not like you could have just shown him get even worse and become more of a dangerous psychopath, right?
I'm calling things that will bomb at the box office for 500.
I might give it a shot in October, but... yeah, this doesn't seem like it will do well financially.

While Clayface isn't a no-name villain, he's not exactly an A-lister who's interesting enough to warrant a solo outing like the Joker, Penguin, or even Catwoman.

Say what you will about Marvel scraping the bottom of the barrel for heroes to put in the MCU, but they only got there because they already exhausted most of the big names. Here, we haven't even gotten a Batman movie in this new universe, yet they decided to make a Clayface movie first?
 
I'm calling things that will bomb at the box office for 500.

This has the potential of making more money than superman. It's cheap horror movie coming out for Halloween. If it makes good good money I think WB will focus on making a whole roster of villain centric movies grounded in comic book reality done cheap to rake in the dough.

As long as they don't lose sight of the audience and do a joker 2.
 
If they wanted to do Clayface as a “lead” and a “sympathetic character,” they did the wrong one, which is expected because as we know, these people hate the material.
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If this had stayed a Reeves/Battisnson project, Ethan Bennett would’ve been the better Clayface to use. He was made before having “black version of character” was a political statement and from a series that in my opinion, had the best balance between grit, fun, adventure and pulp, one of the few that actually had a pretty well-adjusted Bruce who wasn’t a total boor.

An actor isn’t sympathetic, some prettyboy losing his looks is the stuff of chick drama. Killing Joke without Moore’s masturbation material? A genuinely idealistic and good person getting singled out and made an example of? That’s good. That would’ve fit the Battinson universe and been a good gateway for the “super-criminals” that Long Halloween heralds.

It’s not even losing his looks that destroys Ethan, it’s the world turning its back on him, the cops, society, the city itself is hostile to good men. Literally it’s just Batman at one point who holds barely a flicker of hope for Ethan and it’s rewarded. Just like the end of “The Batman,” where a Batman learns the lesson that he has to be more than a symbol of terror.

Ultimately, this is no different than Sony. Villian movies, without the hero are absurd. Better for streaming miniseries. I predict disaster.
Bennett is exclusive to The Batman cartoon and hasn't been introduced to the comics. Adaptions generally pick characters from the source material, it's very unusual to pick a character from another adaption of said source material. So I doubt Ethan was ever in the running.
 
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I don’t know if it was this thread or the comic thread, but I always liked that read on Alfred’s “shocked” face in Mask of the Phantasm, where it isn’t fear, it’s “Oh my God, he’s serious, this isn’t a phase, this isn’t a rich man eccentricity, he’s choosing the longest, most drawn-out suicide possible.”

That’s how I like Alfred, he’s loyal to a fault, took inheriting a disturbed child like a man and honored his loyalty to two dead people but he’s not gonna be blind in it and he’s gonna voice how awful it’s gonna be and more than anything, he’d love Bruce to stop, settle down with one of the insane he women he runs around with and let go. What any man wound want for his son who has a problem.
Bennett is exclusive to The Batman cartoon and hasn't been introduced to the comics. Adaptions generally pick characters from the source material, it's very unusual to pick a character from another adaption of said source material. So I doubt Ethan was ever in the runnin.
True on all accounts, but he is the best Clayface. The only actually pitiable one, the best design and his existence lets Basil be even worse and monstrous, fitting the trend of Batman’s villians degenerating (Arkham mastered this) as they reject redemption.
oh heavens no
just imagine someone mentally disabled might be inspired to do something!

have lady gaga in it and turn it into a musical
I’m so glad that whore was embarrassed and her career damaged.
 
The only race swapping of Alfred I know of was that Gotham High series where he is Bruce's gay Chinese uncle. It also made Bruce white-Asian, Selina Latina, and Ivy Korean.
Alfred has a black daughter, that they've pushed off and on over the last decade.

I dont mind though because she's never relevant to anything and he'll never give her as much attention as he does to his kid he does care about, Bruce.

I think she's sort of a long lost child situation but like I said, they've brought her around multiple times in recent years and promptly forgot by the end of whatever story she showed up in in the first place.

Alfred was a military and theater man, of course he got a couple servings of dark meat out and about his travels.

Hell, ive mentioned it before but always look for an excuse to bring it up because it's absurd and beyond hilarious, but in the Pennyworth television show Alfred even fucked the Queen of England. More than once. What a guy.
 
This has the potential of making more money than superman. It's cheap horror movie coming out for Halloween. If it makes good good money I think WB will focus on making a whole roster of villain centric movies grounded in comic book reality done cheap to rake in the dough.

As long as they don't lose sight of the audience and do a joker 2.
Joker 2 wasn’t losing sight of the audience, it was the director hating the audience that liked the first movie and deliberately pissing them off.
 
The real question is just the main villain of The Batman 2. Rumors had Freeze and Clayface pegged for a while, but recent casting is leading to Two Face.

No, but race swaps have been prevalent. LEGO keeps pushing Batgirl as Latina, both in the movie and in this new game. Had that film dropped, it also would have gone that direction. I also think that Bat Wheels show pushes it.

The only race swapping of Alfred I know of was that Gotham High series where he is Bruce's gay Chinese uncle. It also made Bruce white-Asian, Selina Latina, and Ivy Korean.

You can't hate modern shows enough. I don't recall the LEGO one because I only watched the Bat movie and the first two movies, and it's hard to tell sometimes due to the Lego shape.
Haven't watched Batwheels.

Because it's not like you could have just shown him get even worse and become more of a dangerous psychopath, right?
And have a woman be overshadowed by a man? Not possible anymore.

Here, we haven't even gotten a Batman movie in this new universe,
Wasn't Reeves-Batman adopted into the new universe? I recall him complaining he was getting old and still no sign of the sequel due to Gunn meddling with the executive process.

Alfred has a black daughter, that they've pushed off and on over the last decade.
But of course. *sigh*

Hell, ive mentioned it before but always look for an excuse to bring it up because it's absurd and beyond hilarious, but in the Pennyworth television show Alfred even fucked the Queen of England. More than once. What a guy.
Pennyworth I'm watching on and off, and it's a somewhat based at times show, very odd considering it's somewhat modern. It shows a super-authoritarian England... That doesn't look too bad, honestly, especially compared to RL England.
 
Bennett is exclusive to The Batman cartoon and hasn't been introduced to the comics. Adaptions generally pick characters from the source material, it's very unusual to pick a character from another adaption of said source material. So I doubt Ethan was ever in the running.
Honesty, I am surprised by the fact that most execs do not see that the Bennett version is the best Clayface. Most tragic, relatable and sympathetic version of the character. Mr. Freeze had his BTAS version become the staple, why not this?
 
Honesty, I am surprised by the fact that most execs do not see that the Bennett version is the best Clayface. Most tragic, relatable and sympathetic version of the character. Mr. Freeze had his BTAS version become the staple, why not this?
BTAS left a massive impact that largely usurped any Batman content that came after, rightfully or not. The Batman was frequently left in its shadow. Even LEGO Batman, which came out in 2008, largely based itself around BTAS rather than the much more relevant 04 series - with the exception of using Firefly from 04 in the DS versions and later LB3.

Also, the 2000s DC cartoons were weirdly unimpactful till recently. One would think the large success of Teen Titans would mean the originals added to the rogues gallery would be transferred over to comics, but strangely no? Wasn't until very recently we started seeing DC mainstream the likes of Cinderblock or Red X in the comics.

Batman Brave & The Bold is arguably the most impactful, and that is mainly relegated to Bat-Mite returning and The Music Meister being increasingly more used.
 
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