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It's been almost 4 years and they paid this guy how many millions and he still doesn't even know the canon status of his own fucking movie?
 
A WB Games Artist just leaked Injustice 3 on his portfolio:
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What characters are we all expecting/hoping for?


Given the president by 2 that roster follows the movies/shows, my best guesses are:
  • The Bride (Creature Commandos)
  • Metamorpho (Superman 2025)
  • Mr. Terrific (Superman 2025)
  • Clayface (Clayface 2026)
  • Peacemaker (Peacemaker Season 2)

Also, I am guessing the following are returning from Injustice 1:
  • Lex Luthor (Superman 2025)
  • Lobo (Supergirl 2026)
  • Hawkgirl (Superman 2025)

General Returns are going to be all the characters present in both Injustice 1&2 + Supergirl. Injustice 2 really didn't add anyone I think has a likely chance of coming back, as dumb as that is to say for Darkseid, Starfire, Poison Ivy, Scarecrow, and Black Canary who all should return.

Personal wants - I think Beast Boy should join and complete the Titans for these games. Otherwise, I want obscure weirdos like Amethyst, Katana, Star Sapphire, Gentleman Ghost, Bumble Bee, Jinx, Fire & Ice, Livewire, or Plastic Man. I know Scarecrow ain't returning so I am bracing for that disappointment.
 
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Everybody always focuses on that speech and the couple of hits he lands on Darkseid, but forgets that it is IMMEDIATELY followed up by Darkseid easily immoblizing him (in an extremely painful way) and then preparing to kill him with a damn pocket knife. It's the equivalent of that one gif we've all see of the fighter doing a stupid endzone shuffle taunt in the ring before getting one-shot KO'd by the other fighter.
I think they wanted to convey that Darkseid realized he was outmatched and resorted to a trick that Superman couldn't have anticipated or avoided. But it comes across more like Superman losing another fight just because he's retarded, after failing to put a scratch on Darkseid with his best shot. Also raises a lot of questions that just handing Darkseid the ALE apparently has no downside and would've solved the problem all along.

There was a new announcement for MAWS, but I already bumped the thread dedicated for it.
Should that thread just be closed and we move all discussion about MAWS to this thread because people actually use this one?
So uh

Justice League Action should be getting a new season any minute now?

 
Gimme my Supermen as deluxe skins or as something like Ninja Turtles where they count as one character but have different styles reflecting each guy’s unique tricks. There’s even a precedent for all four appearing.

Conner is dead but just make a new one, Eradicators exist and it’s not unlikely the Fortress would freak out if Clark was gone, Steel could be a former Superman fan living up to what the man was and Hank could honestly be a victim of Clark’s numerous tard-outs. They have cucked me for two games doing every Superman but Eradicator and KC in Injustice 1 and the gay gear system in Injustice 2.

They gotta stop with with gear and just sell skins, put fry in bag or get Monolith’d.

Thry should also just rip off the one good thing from the movie and reference the MOTU comic’s best part and bring in a non-insane Superman to put Injustice Superman (and this universe) out of his misery.
 
Conner is dead but just make a new one
He isn't dead, just trapped in the Phantom Zone with the rest of the Teen Titans.

Steel could be a former Superman fan living up to what the man
The one that is actually dead in Injustice, though, it isn't like the games have ever cared about comics.

Seen it stated that Injustice 3 should just be Blackest Night at this point. Too many dead characters, may as well have them come back and haunt Clark. Would also make the roster worthwhile as somewhere between 1 & 2 is the perfect DC roster, they just got rid of good characters between games and added/kept lame ducks. Shazam, Zatanna, Raven, Lex, Hawkgirl and Deathstroke need to return, feels hollow without them.
 
just trapped in the Phantom Zone with the rest of the
sometimes I get the impression that this is going to turn out like Prison Island in Samurai Pizza Cats
the running joke is the princess keeps sending people who piss her off to Gitmo, then eventually the Nyankees piss her off and get sent there too
it turns out there's so many people and supplies that it's basically just a big beach resort
 
Thank Christ for it.

I prefer my obscure shit remain that way, like my favorite obscure comic character, Eradicator. He’s mine and the normies can’t have him.
Gunn has slowly figured out what everyone else did upon his announcement in 2023, which is that his entire line up is shit and makes no sense for building a DC Universe. How the hell did not a single person reel him in prior to Superman failing is a real mystery?

It isn’t even that hard either. Can no one at DC just say we need films for Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash and Green Lantern? It is the most obvious beginner lineup yet they have failed this twice. It should be those 5, then you can do your weirdos. Even in saying this, there was much better choices than anything Gunn picked: Teen Titans, Aquaman, Green Arrow, Zatanna / Justice League Dark, JL International, Shazam, Doom Patrol.
 
It isn’t even that hard either. Can no one at DC just say we need films for Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash and Green Lantern? It is the most obvious beginner lineup yet they have failed this twice. It should be those 5, then you can do your weirdos. Even in saying this, there was much better choices than anything Gunn picked: Teen Titans, Aquaman, Green Arrow, Zatanna / Justice League Dark, JL International, Shazam, Doom Patrol.
It's funny because the "Phase with solo films for A-listers, end on a team-up/team film, throw in an occasional B-list team or solo movie along the way as well" process Marvel did in the Infinity Saga should work even better for DC than it did Marvel.

DC's always been more focused on its A-list solo heroes' books and their particular corners of the DCU versus Marvel being much more interwoven and team-friendly even for its "solo" heroes - so having a "Phase 1" of the five you mention getting their own movie each, and ending on a Justice League team-up where they find Aquaman and Martian Manhunter on the way, should be the easiest thing in the world to do. Stick to this method for Phases 2, 3, etc. as you build up to a Crisis on Infinite Earths-style event to cap off this DC Movie Universe, with guaranteed solo movies - not just trilogies - for the Big Five in each phase with their endless material, slap in some team-ups and one-off films (your Teen Titans, JL Internationals, World's Finest/Trinity team-ups, Suicide Squads) as need be for freshness's sake as you build up to each phase's Justice League/de-facto event (your Blackest Nights, Flashpoints, etc.) film. The sidekicks used (Robins, Kid Flashes) can grow into their adult identities in-between their mentor's solo films and Titans films and eventually, as mentioned, you cap off this DCMU with COIE after a couple decades and reboot once everyone's old enough.

It should be the easiest thing in the world to do for DC, even easier since their solo book A-listers have much stronger narrative meat on their own than Marvel's solo book A-listers with the Justice League films being big event movies, and a ready-made "ending" in COIE where you can see the heroes more or less retire having saved their universe.

And yet..... sigh.
 
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Well, there goes my hope that Captain Atom will turn a bunch of edgelords masquerading as heroes into momma's homemade chunky spagetti sauce on the big screen. Too good for this world.
Could you imagine? Especially if they got that steroid monster from “Reacher” to play Nathaniel? I remember Captain Atom really humiliated them before the killing, like beating Engineer to a smear, calling Apollo an idiot before overdosing him on Sun and then the morons cut him open.

Captain Atom is another obscure I treasure, “Cold War Captain America” and he’s just guy who has no idea the raw power he’s got (initially) and like his sucessor, the only limit to such power is his mind.

In a better DC Universe, Nathaniel stays made in the Cold War and was the “Superman” of an “almost” Age of Heroes that was stillborn but still prevented a nuclear apocalypse and that’s what blasts him to the present. Hell, have Clark inspired by him the same way Billy Batson is by Superman. Watchmen has some good ideas that could slot nicely into a DC universe that spreads it’s cast out over the century rather than everyone in the present. Make use of those vaunted legacies by making some of them spread out in the timeline.

But no, have him explode again.
 
Could you imagine? Especially if they got that steroid monster from “Reacher” to play Nathaniel? I remember Captain Atom really humiliated them before the killing, like beating Engineer to a smear, calling Apollo an idiot before overdosing him on Sun and then the morons cut him open.
It was the kind of beating that came with "I don't want to hurt you". The worst kind. At that point, just humiliate me. It would be less embarrassing than die at the hands of someone who tries to save me from myself.

Captain Atom is another obscure I treasure, “Cold War Captain America” and he’s just guy who has no idea the raw power he’s got (initially) and like his sucessor, the only limit to such power is his mind.

In a better DC Universe, Nathaniel stays made in the Cold War and was the “Superman” of an “almost” Age of Heroes that was stillborn but still prevented a nuclear apocalypse and that’s what blasts him to the present. Hell, have Clark inspired by him the same way Billy Batson is by Superman. Watchmen has some good ideas that could slot nicely into a DC universe that spreads it’s cast out over the century rather than everyone in the present. Make use of those vaunted legacies by making some of them spread out in the timeline.
He is the kind of character that should have a bunch of PhDs.

"Well Nathaniel, you have the power to cause a lot of harm by accident. Best make sure you know about everything that you can do. It is time for you to go to college and earn more degrees than every scientist you've ever met. You have no say in this."

This is a powerset that can go really wrong, really fast. I would love a story where he is shown learning about his powers and becoming interested in the fields.
 
The sidekicks used (Robins, Kid Flashes) can grow into their adult identities in-between their mentor's solo films and Titans films
It would probably be too much, but having the main hero films gradually introduce the families with each entry would be how I play it.

Take Batman for instance, the first film should start relatively early in Batman’s career with Dick and Babs already present so that both of them can go off and do other things as the series progresses. The Batman 2 can then introduce a new set, probably Jason and Cassandra allowing for a Death in The Family film and future Red Hood shenanigans. Then finally, you can end the Batman Trilogy off with Tim and Steph, likely bringing the whole family together for one last fight for Gotham. If a 4th happens, then you got Damian still.

Superman can do the same thing. First film introduces Supergirl, second brings in Steel, then the final should be Death of Superman with Superboy joining the lineup. If there is a 4th film, obviously Jonathan is the one to add, following nicely with Damian.

Wonder Woman is a mess of a lineup, but first should have Donna Troy, second film brings in Artemis (basically to match Jason) and third can bring in Cassie (Matching Tim & Conner). Not sure if Nubia or Yora should also appear, maybe if they keep a family/sisterhood theme with Wondie they could fit? If fourth film happens, I guess one adds the Wonder baby Trinity.

Green Lantern should have Stewart in training under Hal for the first film. Not sure if anyone else should be added as Guy should just be an International thing, and Jessica should probably be relegated to another thing as well - potential DC Super Hero Girls? Arisia and Razor are potential options.

Flash should get at least Wally in the first and Impulse in the third (matching the Young Justice introductions). Not sure if anyone else would be that worthwhile to add.

For other families, you should probably start Green Arrow early so Speedy can go alongside the Titans, then bring in whatever random Arrow family members you want. Given the mainstream appeal, Artemis from YJ 2011 would be a big pull for Arrow.
Aquaman also needs to start early for Aqualad. Again, not sure if other sidekicks for Aquaman are worthwhile.
 
It was the kind of beating that came with "I don't want to hurt you". The worst kind. At that point, just humiliate me. It would be less embarrassing than die at the hands of someone who tries to save me from myself.


He is the kind of character that should have a bunch of PhDs.

"Well Nathaniel, you have the power to cause a lot of harm by accident. Best make sure you know about everything that you can do. It is time for you to go to college and earn more degrees than every scientist you've ever met. You have no say in this."

This is a powerset that can go really wrong, really fast. I would love a story where he is shown learning about his powers and becoming interested in the fields.
It’s the ultimate “time out” beating, that comes from learning your chrome latina gf was ready to kill you drop of a hat, the world you’re on is a nightmare right out of the Crime Syndicate, they killed one of the few heroes in front of you, you’re going to die and kill everyone and this fucking blondie thinks he can take you, Captain Atom, to the Sun, this fucking retarded queer, took a walking nuclear bomb, to the Sun. Game on.

Well word for word that’s why his kit is limited, Doctor Manhattan spelled it out. If Nathaniel did get educated, he’d be the toughest thing on the planet and would be able to do what Doctor Manhattan can use his powers for.

I always thought Captain Atom should take over the Authority but that ties back to my idea of smashing the Authority into Earth 3 and giving them a taste of their own medicine with tyrannical supers who don’t fuck around.

Mainly because a “Boy Scout” leading the Authority is good contrast (not Superman though) and DC has no idea what to do with both parties so why not? Atom, from the part in the mini when he was friendly with them, seemed like had he been “born” in Wildstorm, would’ve been a member, living weapon, chewed up and spat out, pissed off with the system, oh yeah, Jenny would’ve gotten her hooks in him.
 
I've already pointed out that this kind of thinking is exactly why Superman is always written to be way less competent than he should be. "Superman is OP" is not something that has been valid for about 40 years now.

Agreed.

"Superman is OP" has been a meme for decades now. People take this as fact, and repeat it as a mantra, but in reality it's been decades of writers nerfing Superman, because they are also scared of people complaining about it.

The reality is that in most adaptations, including, no, especially the DCAU, they have "overcorrected" this non-issue to the point he is actually very unimpressive. Especially now that kids are having "Invincible" as their first superhero show, versus your average Superman , who gets beaten or knocked out by random laser, kryptonite, electricity, etc. and Batman or someone else saves the day, seems lame in comparison.

Meanwhile, everyone is creaming their pants about the Temu Kryptonians, like Thragg, Conquest, Omni-Man, and yes Invincible himself.It's almost like you can have a character with Superman's powers and make them do cool things with their powers, and people will love it as long as there are proper stakes.

It doesn't matter who is "more powerful". My point is that for some reason only Superman gets these complaints while other characters with similar powers get celebrated. It's almost like the powers weren't the issue. Superman these days either curb stomps or becomes useless with little in between.

Superman is not OP, and in fact the opposite is true. Writers should stop being scared of displaying his true power. Give him villains strong enough to challenge him. It really is that simple. Invincible is making a bank on the concept of "Temu Kryptonians fight each other". DC could easily be more creative than that.
 
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The problem with Superman isn't that he's too powerful. It's that people have forgotten how to have fun. He was even more powerful back in the Silver Age or whatever you call it. Had new powers every week, but the stories weren't lacking in challenges.
I wish we had an equivalent to Adam West Batman with Superman. We have the technology now! Sadly, we lack the writers.

It's been almost 4 years and they paid this guy how many millions and he still doesn't even know the canon status of his own fucking movie?
He's getting senile. Even better, he's helping bury any remaining interest on (Western) superhero works for good.

A WB Games Artist just leaked Injustice 3 on his portfolio:
About time. I wonder how much cock-sucking will Batman get this time.

Seen it stated that Injustice 3 should just be Blackest Night at this point. Too many dead characters, may as well have them come back and haunt Clark.
Do that and add the grimderp Dark Crisis and Bat-god inanity while you're at it, then have a character say "this is stupid" in regard to the overall edgyness.

DC's always been more focused on its A-list solo heroes' books and their particular corners of the DCU versus Marvel being much more interwoven and team-friendly even for its "solo" heroes - so having a "Phase 1" of the five you mention getting their own movie each, and ending on a Justice League team-up where they find Aquaman and Martian Manhunter on the way, should be the easiest thing in the world to do. Stick to this method for Phases 2, 3, etc. as you build up to a Crisis on Infinite Earths-style event to cap off this DC Movie Universe, with guaranteed solo movies - not just trilogies - for the Big Five in each phase with their endless material, slap in some team-ups and one-off films (your Teen Titans, JL Internationals, World's Finest/Trinity team-ups, Suicide Squads) as need be for freshness's sake as you build up to each phase's Justice League/de-facto event (your Blackest Nights, Flashpoints, etc.) film. The sidekicks used (Robins, Kid Flashes) can grow into their adult identities in-between their mentor's solo films and Titans films and eventually, as mentioned, you cap off this DCMU with COIE after a couple decades and reboot once everyone's old enough.

The JL cartoon made it work. Can this be done again in Current Year (TM)?

Could you imagine? Especially if they got that steroid monster from “Reacher” to play Nathaniel? I remember Captain Atom really humiliated them before the killing, like beating Engineer to a smear, calling Apollo an idiot before overdosing him on Sun and then the morons cut him open.
Extra points if a movie about the Authority was made first to show off how "badass" they are before being curbstomped.

Meanwhile, everyone is creaming their pants about the Temu Kryptonians, like Thragg, Conquest, Omni-Man, and yes Invincible himself.It's almost like you can have a character with Superman's powers and make them do cool things with their powers, and people will love it as long as there are proper stakes.
I find it sad that not only is the cartoon 30 times lamer and gayer than the OG work, but the only good thing it had going for, the animation, is seemingly gone. Good thing I only stuck with the comic, and even then, these watered down Supes are boring as hell as they all have basic powers. Granted, Supes' grocery list of superpowers is OP, but unlike the Viltrus, he has clear weaknesses that affect him.
 
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